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Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by second:
1kiki, I'm not buying the premise that the white majority are rational; I've seen too many white Republican Texans make ruinous private decisions unrelated to politics. If a majority of Americans were rational (they are not) and they also disliked their government then at every state and local election (specifically excluding Presidential) rational Americans would do what this guy says he will do: “The only thing the government does is screw the working people,” says Scott, a Trump voter from Georgia contacted by email, who asked that his last name not be published. He says he’ll do everything he can to vote Republicans out of power in 2018. “What is the next step, short of armed insurrection?”




LOL... this guy thinks that's going to solve anything?

Wake up call, buddy...

Democrats were in the exact same position 8 years ago and we were getting screwed just as bad, if not worse.

More power to you though, voting all the Republicans out of power in 2018 with your near-meaningless vote.

Presidentially speaking, at least... even if I voted for Clinton in Indiana, she lost by so many I might as well voted for Daffy Duck.



Except for very local elections, I ALWAYS vote against whoever is currently in office. I also take the time to vote against any current judges being reinstated as well. There are some local guys and gals that have done alright by me though, so I vote for them in the little elections.

Maybe if everybody voted the way that I do until things start getting better, politicians might get the hint that they actually have to serve the people if they want more than one term.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 17, 2017 12:32 PM

SECOND

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Maybe if everybody voted the way that I do until things start getting better, politicians might get the hint that they actually have to serve the people if they want more than one term.

Most people can't punish a politician for lying to them about his true intentions because it is too much effort for most people to keep track of the politician's promises versus his self-serving actions once in office. The politician spends thousands of hours being devious and crafty and the voter spends a hundred seconds thinking about it before returning the same guy to the same office as before. Here is how that works in real life:

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/16/hard-times-in-trump-country/

Jamie Stewart voted for Donald Trump, but she thinks the president is a “jackass.” She doesn’t really love to talk about what he’s doing or why she voted for him. “They should take his phone away from him,” she says. “He posts stupid shit all the time.”

Stewart works as a customer service manager at Walmart — though not enough hours to receive benefits or health insurance from her employer. She is raising her 10-year-old autistic son, Wyatt, mostly alone.

In a series of interviews that stretched over a year, Stewart was ambivalent when pressed about the president’s accomplishments or any promises he might have kept. “I don’t really pay attention,” she says. “I don’t have time to give a shit.”

Since Trump astonished himself and the world on election night last year, observers have scrambled to figure out people like Stewart, Middle America’s “white working class.” Why did they vote as they did? And were they going to do it again?

“Economic anxiety” quickly became the default explanation — which, as some have since pointed out, doesn’t account for the economic anxiety of nonwhites who didn’t vote for Trump or consistent support for the president among whites across class and income. “This is not a working-class coalition,” The Atlantic’s Adam Serwer wrote in a detailed analysis of the vote. “It is a nationalist one.” Those who argued that the anxiety was more racial than economic called Trump’s election a “whitelash” and a “temper tantrum.” Others saw it as “political nihilism,” “the revenge of the forgotten class.”

Stewart’s views offer a glimpse into a community that might think of itself as being far removed from the country’s politics, but in fact, lies at their very core.

Stewart said she had no illusions, when she voted for Trump, that things would get better. “Trump came in, promised West Virginia bigger and better things,” she said. “Something so bad, you can’t make great overnight.” Today, she doesn’t regret her decision, nor does she try to justify it or apologize for it. “It just seemed like the best choice,” she says. “Better than Hillary, that’s what everybody was saying, so that’s what we went with. A lot of my family was just like, put anybody in that office other than that bitch.

More at https://theintercept.com/2017/12/16/hard-times-in-trump-country/

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Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Maybe if everybody voted the way that I do until things start getting better, politicians might get the hint that they actually have to serve the people if they want more than one term.

Most people can't punish a politician for lying to them about his true intentions because it is too much effort for most people to keep track of the politician's promises versus his self-serving actions once in office. The politician spends thousands of hours being devious and crafty and the voter spends a hundred seconds thinking about it before returning the same guy to the same office as before. Here is how that works in real life:

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/16/hard-times-in-trump-country/

Jamie Stewart voted for Donald Trump, but she thinks the president is a “jackass.” She doesn’t really love to talk about what he’s doing or why she voted for him. “They should take his phone away from him,” she says. “He posts stupid shit all the time.”

Stewart works as a customer service manager at Walmart — though not enough hours to receive benefits or health insurance from her employer. She is raising her 10-year-old autistic son, Wyatt, mostly alone.

In a series of interviews that stretched over a year, Stewart was ambivalent when pressed about the president’s accomplishments or any promises he might have kept. “I don’t really pay attention,” she says. “I don’t have time to give a shit.”

Since Trump astonished himself and the world on election night last year, observers have scrambled to figure out people like Stewart, Middle America’s “white working class.” Why did they vote as they did? And were they going to do it again?

“Economic anxiety” quickly became the default explanation — which, as some have since pointed out, doesn’t account for the economic anxiety of nonwhites who didn’t vote for Trump or consistent support for the president among whites across class and income. “This is not a working-class coalition,” The Atlantic’s Adam Serwer wrote in a detailed analysis of the vote. “It is a nationalist one.” Those who argued that the anxiety was more racial than economic called Trump’s election a “whitelash” and a “temper tantrum.” Others saw it as “political nihilism,” “the revenge of the forgotten class.”

Stewart’s views offer a glimpse into a community that might think of itself as being far removed from the country’s politics, but in fact, lies at their very core.

Stewart said she had no illusions, when she voted for Trump, that things would get better. “Trump came in, promised West Virginia bigger and better things,” she said. “Something so bad, you can’t make great overnight.” Today, she doesn’t regret her decision, nor does she try to justify it or apologize for it. “It just seemed like the best choice,” she says. “Better than Hillary, that’s what everybody was saying, so that’s what we went with. A lot of my family was just like, put anybody in that office other than that bitch.

More at https://theintercept.com/2017/12/16/hard-times-in-trump-country/



Not much I can disagree with in that article. I like how even though they mentioned that some called it a "whitelash", the more likely explanation is "political nihilism". Her closing thoughts on the matter pretty much sum up my own.



I'm not picking on her, especially since she didn't write the article, but she is not a manager at Walmart. They don't have part time managers. She may be a team lead or department head, which pays a piddly sum more than the average peon, but she's not a manager if she's part time. If she were management, she'd be salaried and likely expected to put in around 50-55 hours a week. Probably not something she'd be able to do, given that she's the mother of an autistic child and it sounds like she's not married.

Knowing how the average retailer treats their employees, they likely make her do managerial tasks while she is there part time though. They are taking advantage of her for sure, those 20-30 hours a week she is there.

She has my full empathy.



I bet that 15-18% immediate pay raise by implementing my Social Security tax reform plan would be hugely beneficial to her life, and that of her son's.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 18, 2017 12:49 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
1kiki, I'm not buying the premise that the white majority are rational

I would actually give a shit about what you posted if you didn't constantly misrepresent my points (ie lie). I didn't say the white majority was rational, I said there are states that voted for Obama, ie, that they are not, on the whole, biased. But then, those Obama voters stayed home for Clinton. They didn't stay home because they are biased people, they already proved they are not. They stayed home because they disliked Clinton, personally and specifically. She should not have been the 'democratic 'candidate.
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the one-third of Americans who actually vote
And I would probably have a better opinion of your posts if you didn't post untrue shit (ie lie). You claimed (ie lied) that one-third, 33%, of Americans vote. But 60% did.
Quote:

About 139 million Americans, or 60.2 percent of the voting-eligible population, cast a ballot in November’s elections, according to data compiled by the U.S. Elections Project.
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/324206-new-report-finds-that-v
oter-turnout-in-2016-topped-2012






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, December 18, 2017 12:57 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So anyway, it's pretty obvious the democrats have lost touch with their populist roots in their exuberant support of demographic transitions.

What message should the 'democrats' bring to us, the audience and consumer?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, December 18, 2017 1:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
the one-third of Americans who actually vote



Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And I would probably have a better opinion of your posts if you didn't post untrue shit (ie lie). You claimed (ie lied) that one-third, 33%, of Americans vote. But 60% did.



This is just a sign that wittingly or unwittingly, Second is an excellent student of the MSM and their constant manipulation of facts and statistics to suit their own narrative.

Remember when "Less than 50% of Americans" could have been effected by the Equifax data breech?

Quote:

Massive Equifax Data Breach Could Affect Half of the U.S. Population


https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/massive-equifax-data-breach-coul
d-impact-half-u-s-population-n799686


Quote:

Data of 143 million Americans — nearly half the country — exposed in Equifax hack


http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/national/ct-equifax-data-breach
-20170907-story.html





Later on, it was found that a few more million people were admitted to:

Quote:

That brings the total number of Americans whose data was exposed to 145.5 million people.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/equifax-data-breach-millions-more-affecte
d
/

Well... there are currently 73.8 Million children in the US in 2017. And they don't count.

https://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp

And there are 323.1 million people in the US in 2016.

(Google search result and answer for "how many people in the us today")

And 45 Million Americans don't have a credit score.

Quote:

One in 10 American consumers has no credit history, according to a study released Tuesday by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. (Tweet This)

The research found that about 26 million American adults have no histories with national credit reporting agencies such as Equifax, Experian and TransUnion. In addition to those so-called credit invisibles, an additional 19 million have credit reports that are so limited or out of date that they are unscorable. In other words, 45 million American consumers are living without credit scores.



https://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/05/credit-invisible-26-million-have-no-cr
edit-score.html



So let's not, for the moment, even consider illegals living here who don't have credit, simply because that could skew too many numbers too many ways.

(See what I did there, MSM!!!!???? I erred on the side of caution instead of linking to various claims that are aren't very solid.... SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT VERY GOOD AT DOING WHEN YOU CONSTANTLY CHOOSE TO SHOEHORN HACK-JOB JOURNALISM IN THERE WHEN IT SERVES TO MAKE YOUR POINT.

Even though I personally believe this variable would greatly benefit my position, it will not be included at all here).

If we throw out that variable, and also any others that I'm currently not considering that could do nothing but further the numbers in the desired direction of the point I'm making, this is what we are left with:


1. People in America: 323.1 million

2. People in America, minus children under 18 who have no credit: 249.3 Million

3. People in America, minus children and those without credit or who's credit histories are so limited or out of date they are unscorable): 204.3 Million.



So, of the 204.3 Million people who (presumably) have credit (based off of these remedial stats), 145.5 Million of them were affected by the Equifax data breech, or just over 71% of us.


Did the MSM lie to us? Or are they just fucking stupid?

One can only speculate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)





SIDE NOTE: I love cnbc's laughable math here. From the article about 45 million people without credit scores:

Quote:

One in 10 American consumers has no credit history.


What?

Quote:

The research found that about 26 million American adults have no histories with national credit reporting agencies...


So there are 260 Million people in America?

Quote:

In addition to those so-called credit invisibles, an additional 19 million have credit reports that are so limited or out of date that they are unscorable. In other words, 45 million American consumers are living without credit scores.


So are there 450 Million people in America????


Oh.... you... I'm sorry... you actually used the "adults" qualifier for this story, which means that you might actually be using numbers closer to reality when doing your math. You actually, truly meant 1 in 10 out of the Americans that are actually eligible for credit in America. Didja? Didja????

Be still my heart.

They're not correct, but at least they're close. I'm not going to quibble over the journalist's desire to use the "1 in 10" figure when it's closer to around 0.9 in 10, rather than just saying the less attention grabbing "9% of Americans" in their headline.

My apologies CNBC. You pass the math exam today. CBSNEWS on the other hand... you're going to have to repeat the 6th grade.


So why didn't CBSNEWS use the same metrics???? Was every calculator in the damn building broke the day they made their report? Were all of their accountants on vacation that day? Did Equifax lawyers do the math for them?







No... I kid really. When you look at any of the statements made in these stories, they're actually giving true numbers (or reasonably close ones) that they desire people to read, and what they're claiming for the numbers.


It is true, less than half of "ALL" Americans were effected by the Equifax data breech. That is a "fact" that can't be denied... although it's an ENTIRELY TRIVIAL AND MEANINGLESS fact. The math itself is overall pretty sound on any article about the situation. It would have to be, or it would be shot down immediately by critics.

It's how that data is presented. Every story seemed to be telling people "Relax... there was a less than 50% chance that you were effected by the breech", when if you had a credit score nothing could be further from the truth.



Why didn't any of the large news outlets tell the actual truth about this? Lying by omission is still lying.



You want us to believe that you have integrity, MSM?

Then fucking act like it and stop giving us reasons every single day to doubt you and your intentions.

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Monday, December 18, 2017 9:22 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
the one-third of Americans who actually vote



Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And I would probably have a better opinion of your posts if you didn't post untrue shit (ie lie). You claimed (ie lied) that one-third, 33%, of Americans vote. But 60% did.



This is just a sign that wittingly or unwittingly, Second is an excellent student of the MSM and their constant manipulation of facts and statistics to suit their own narrative.

Remember when "Less than 50% of Americans" could have been effected by the Equifax data breech?

Quote:

Massive Equifax Data Breach Could Affect Half of the U.S. Population


https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/massive-equifax-data-breach-coul
d-impact-half-u-s-population-n799686


Quote:

Data of 143 million Americans — nearly half the country — exposed in Equifax hack


http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/national/ct-equifax-data-breach
-20170907-story.html





Later on, it was found that a few more million people were admitted to:

Quote:

That brings the total number of Americans whose data was exposed to 145.5 million people.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/equifax-data-breach-millions-more-affecte
d
/

Well... there are currently 73.8 Million children in the US in 2017. And they don't count.

https://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp

And there are 323.1 million people in the US in 2016.

(Google search result and answer for "how many people in the us today")

And 45 Million Americans don't have a credit score.

Quote:

One in 10 American consumers has no credit history, according to a study released Tuesday by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. (Tweet This)

The research found that about 26 million American adults have no histories with national credit reporting agencies such as Equifax, Experian and TransUnion. In addition to those so-called credit invisibles, an additional 19 million have credit reports that are so limited or out of date that they are unscorable. In other words, 45 million American consumers are living without credit scores.



https://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/05/credit-invisible-26-million-have-no-cr
edit-score.html



So let's not, for the moment, even consider illegals living here who don't have credit, simply because that could skew too many numbers too many ways.

(See what I did there, MSM!!!!???? I erred on the side of caution instead of linking to various claims that are aren't very solid.... SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT VERY GOOD AT DOING WHEN YOU CONSTANTLY CHOOSE TO SHOEHORN HACK-JOB JOURNALISM IN THERE WHEN IT SERVES TO MAKE YOUR POINT.

Even though I personally believe this variable would greatly benefit my position, it will not be included at all here).

If we throw out that variable, and also any others that I'm currently not considering that could do nothing but further the numbers in the desired direction of the point I'm making, this is what we are left with:


1. People in America: 323.1 million

2. People in America, minus children under 18 who have no credit: 249.3 Million

3. People in America, minus children and those without credit or who's credit histories are so limited or out of date they are unscorable): 204.3 Million.



So, of the 204.3 Million people who (presumably) have credit (based off of these remedial stats), 145.5 Million of them were affected by the Equifax data breech, or just over 71% of us.


Did the MSM lie to us? Or are they just fucking stupid?

One can only speculate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)





SIDE NOTE: I love cnbc's laughable math here. From the article about 45 million people without credit scores:

Quote:

One in 10 American consumers has no credit history.


What?

Quote:

The research found that about 26 million American adults have no histories with national credit reporting agencies...


So there are 260 Million people in America?

Quote:

In addition to those so-called credit invisibles, an additional 19 million have credit reports that are so limited or out of date that they are unscorable. In other words, 45 million American consumers are living without credit scores.


So are there 450 Million people in America????


Oh.... you... I'm sorry... you actually used the "adults" qualifier for this story, which means that you might actually be using numbers closer to reality when doing your math. You actually, truly meant 1 in 10 out of the Americans that are actually eligible for credit in America. Didja? Didja????

Be still my heart.

They're not correct, but at least they're close. I'm not going to quibble over the journalist's desire to use the "1 in 10" figure when it's closer to around 0.9 in 10, rather than just saying the less attention grabbing "9% of Americans" in their headline.

My apologies CNBC. You pass the math exam today. CBSNEWS on the other hand... you're going to have to repeat the 6th grade.


So why didn't CBSNEWS use the same metrics???? Was every calculator in the damn building broke the day they made their report? Were all of their accountants on vacation that day? Did Equifax lawyers do the math for them?







No... I kid really. When you look at any of the statements made in these stories, they're actually giving true numbers (or reasonably close ones) that they desire people to read, and what they're claiming for the numbers.


It is true, less than half of "ALL" Americans were effected by the Equifax data breech. That is a "fact" that can't be denied... although it's an ENTIRELY TRIVIAL AND MEANINGLESS fact. The math itself is overall pretty sound on any article about the situation. It would have to be, or it would be shot down immediately by critics.

It's how that data is presented. Every story seemed to be telling people "Relax... there was a less than 50% chance that you were effected by the breech", when if you had a credit score nothing could be further from the truth.



Why didn't any of the large news outlets tell the actual truth about this? Lying by omission is still lying.



You want us to believe that you have integrity, MSM?

Then fucking act like it and stop giving us reasons every single day to doubt you and your intentions.

So about 137 million voted for President, and about 249 million adults in America.
Less than 110 would be 1/3 of the US population.
And 150 million would be 60% of US adults.
What's the story?

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Monday, December 18, 2017 1:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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The story is, when somebody says "the one-third of Americans who actually vote ", they're implying that 2/3rds of Americans choose not to vote, which is a lie.

I've seen both sides do this when it suits them.



My example with the Equifax breech was to show that even though the media made it sound as if less than half the people who had credit cards were potentially victims of identity theft, the true number was at least in the low 70%, if not much greater.

#Lies

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 18, 2017 3:32 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The story is, when somebody says "the one-third of Americans who actually vote ", they're implying that 2/3rds of Americans choose not to vote, which is a lie.

I've seen both sides do this when it suits them.



My example with the Equifax breech was to show that even though the media made it sound as if less than half the people who had credit cards were potentially victims of identity theft, the true number was at least in the low 70%, if not much greater.

#Lies

Are you aware that Ted Cruz could now be President, if only? The voters who actually made Trump President number only 14,015,993 and they voted in the Primary. Such a small percent of Americans made the big decision that was ratified in the general election. Ted would be that man had he been more willing than Trump to tell tall tales.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_Republican_Party_presiden
tial_primaries,_2016


When 138,846,571 voted in the general election after Hillary and Trump won the primaries, there wasn't much choice between either a not-yet-indicted criminal on the FBI's wanted list or a loudmouth liar. Most of those 138,846,571 let somebody else in the primary make the single most important decision of 2016.
www.electproject.org/2016g

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 18, 2017 5:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Are you aware that Ted Cruz could now be President, if only? The voters who actually made Trump President number only 14,015,993 and they voted in the Primary. Such a small percent of Americans made the big decision that was ratified in the general election.

Because apparently, the voters in the 'democratic' primaries, and the voters in the general election, and those who chose to stay home, weren't making actual choices. They were merely ratifying the republican primaries.

That seems to be the point you're making, SECOND.

In any case, SECOND, your claim that 1/3 of Americans vote is proven false.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, December 18, 2017 7:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Are you aware that Ted Cruz could now be President, if only? The voters who actually made Trump President number only 14,015,993 and they voted in the Primary. Such a small percent of Americans made the big decision that was ratified in the general election. Ted would be that man had he been more willing than Trump to tell tall tales.



Once again... Abusing facts to suit an agenda.

I could do the same thing and blame the 3 1/2 million more Americans that voted for Hillary than Bernie in the Primary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,
_2016


Maybe if I was the MSM the title of my article would be "1% of Americans Fucked America!"

Quote:

When 138,846,571 voted in the general election after Hillary and Trump won the primaries, there wasn't much choice between either a not-yet-indicted criminal on the FBI's wanted list or a loudmouth liar. Most of those 138,846,571 let somebody else in the primary make the single most important decision of 2016.


Glad we're finally admitting what Hillary was one year into Trump's term, although I think this is once again only being said to make the point of the day here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 25, 2017 9:20 AM

THGRRI


White college grads' distaste for Trump hurt GOP in 2017. Will they flip control of Congress to Democrats in 2018?

White college graduates in America’s suburbs have turned hard against Republicans in elections around the country and threaten to upend the party’s control of Congress in the 2018 midterm elections.

Put off by Donald Trump’s presidency, they have been shunning Republicans in congressional and state legislative contests. Their support was crucial in electing Democrats as governor in Virginia and U.S. senator in conservative Alabama.


Republican hopes for keeping control of the U.S. Senate next year will hinge on affluent, mainly white suburbs like Summerlin, Nev., where Trump’s unpopularity is weighing on GOP Sen. Dean Heller in his run for reelection.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-nevada-trump-suburbs-2017122
5-story.html



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Wednesday, December 27, 2017 7:19 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


If Hillary had Won
http://rall.com/2017/12/26/if-hillary-clinton-had-won

When George W. Bush was president, there wasn’t one morning I didn’t regret that Al Gore wasn’t there instead. Gore wouldn’t have invaded Iraq. He might not have gone into Afghanistan either. Unlike pretty much every other president, he cared about the environment.

There isn’t a single moment I miss President Hillary Clinton, though. Trump is a disaster, a real piece of crap. But everyone knows it. Because Trump is so loud and stupid and cruel and greedy and corrupt, all liberals and not a few conservatives clearly discern the true nature of his administration, and of the system itself.

If Hillary Clinton were president, the left would still be just as asleep as it was between 2008 and 2016. First woman president! Aren’t we just the best.

Meanwhile, the drones fire their missiles and U.S. troops and spooks prop up tyrants, and the filthy rich rake in their loot.

Trump gives us clarity. That is no small thing.

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Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:29 PM

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If Hillary had Won
http://rall.com/2017/12/26/if-hillary-clinton-had-won

When George W. Bush was president, there wasn’t one morning I didn’t regret that Al Gore wasn’t there instead. Gore wouldn’t have invaded Iraq. He might not have gone into Afghanistan either. Unlike pretty much every other president, he cared about the environment.

There isn’t a single moment I miss President Hillary Clinton, though. Trump is a disaster, a real piece of crap. But everyone knows it. Because Trump is so loud and stupid and cruel and greedy and corrupt, all liberals and not a few conservatives clearly discern the true nature of his administration, and of the system itself.

If Hillary Clinton were president, the left would still be just as asleep as it was between 2008 and 2016. First woman president! Aren’t we just the best.

Meanwhile, the drones fire their missiles and U.S. troops and spooks prop up tyrants, and the filthy rich rake in their loot.

Trump gives us clarity. That is no small thing.



Wow.

Second actually posts an article I agree with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
If Hillary had Won
http://rall.com/2017/12/26/if-hillary-clinton-had-won

When George W. Bush was president, there wasn’t one morning I didn’t regret that Al Gore wasn’t there instead. Gore wouldn’t have invaded Iraq. He might not have gone into Afghanistan either. Unlike pretty much every other president, he cared about the environment.

There isn’t a single moment I miss President Hillary Clinton, though. Trump is a disaster, a real piece of crap. But everyone knows it. Because Trump is so loud and stupid and cruel and greedy and corrupt, all liberals and not a few conservatives clearly discern the true nature of his administration, and of the system itself.

If Hillary Clinton were president, the left would still be just as asleep as it was between 2008 and 2016. First woman president! Aren’t we just the best.

Meanwhile, the drones fire their missiles and U.S. troops and spooks prop up tyrants, and the filthy rich rake in their loot.

Trump gives us clarity. That is no small thing.


Wow.

Second actually posts an article I agree with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Have you heard a broken Clock is right 1/720 of the time?

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Monday, January 1, 2018 11:04 PM

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Are Libertarian the real Democrat and the new bunch Neo-Liberals?

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I don't know if that's entirely accurate, but I don't think it's too far off the mark.

The neo-liberals today remind me of the neo-cons during the GWB era.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Have you heard a broken Clock is right 1/720 of the time?

Time, energy, and money are limited. Opportunity costs are real, and that’s particularly true in a White House as unfocused, understaffed, and ill-managed as this one.

One thing the Trump administration didn’t do and the price we pay for it:

In 2016, the most recent year for which we have data, a record 63,000 Americans died from drug overdoses — and two-thirds (and possibly more) of those deaths were opioid-related. To put that in perspective, that’s more Americans than died from HIV/AIDS in the worst year of the plague, more Americans than die annually from motor accidents or gun violence. If current trends continue, opioids could kill 650,000 over the next decade.

This is a crisis that needs not just money, but focus, leadership, and creativity. Progress is possible — Vermont’s success has proven that. The federal government could be scaling up Vermont’s program; it could be throwing its vast scientific and public health resources into research and support; it could be spending real money on a race-to-the-top program to fund, study, and expand promising state and local responses.

Instead, capital — both financial and political — that could have gone toward solving the opioid epidemic was plowed into undermining the Affordable Care Act and funneling trillions in tax cuts to corporations. Trump eventually declared a state of emergency over opioid crisis, but didn’t even ask for new funding to fight it. According to a member of his own opioid commission, he’s been “all talk and no follow-through.”

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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:26 AM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Have you heard a broken Clock is right 1/720 of the time?

Time, energy, and money are limited. Opportunity costs are real, and that’s particularly true in a White House as unfocused, understaffed, and ill-managed as this one.

One thing the Trump administration didn’t do and the price we pay for it:

In 2016, the most recent year for which we have data, a record 63,000 Americans died from drug overdoses — and two-thirds (and possibly more) of those deaths were opioid-related. To put that in perspective, that’s more Americans than died from HIV/AIDS in the worst year of the plague, more Americans than die annually from motor accidents or gun violence. If current trends continue, opioids could kill 650,000 over the next decade.

This is a crisis that needs not just money, but focus, leadership, and creativity. Progress is possible — Vermont’s success has proven that. The federal government could be scaling up Vermont’s program; it could be throwing its vast scientific and public health resources into research and support; it could be spending real money on a race-to-the-top program to fund, study, and expand promising state and local responses.

Instead, capital — both financial and political — that could have gone toward solving the opioid epidemic was plowed into undermining the Affordable Care Act and funneling trillions in tax cuts to corporations. Trump eventually declared a state of emergency over opioid crisis, but didn’t even ask for new funding to fight it. According to a member of his own opioid commission, he’s been “all talk and no follow-through.”

Sounds like he has his priorities in alignment. Didn't really think he had it in him.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:29 AM

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Are Libertarian the real Democrat and the new bunch Neo-Liberals?

Absolutely not.
Libertarian goals and ideals are about polar opposites of the tyrannical despotic spendaholic thug life of Democraps - real, delusional or imagined.

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Sounds like he has his priorities in alignment. Didn't really think he had it in him.

What do you mean by priorities? Trump let's 63,000 of his citizens die because he is too busy chasing down a billion dollar tax cut for himself and his family? As a bonus, Trump has been such a gift to the Chinese that they are suspicious it’s real. A few thousand years of history have taught them the universe is cruel, and they can’t quite figure out how it was that the cosmos delivered to them this American President who seems so hell-bent on giving China a historic opportunity for world leadership.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 11:16 AM

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Weiner-gate probably led to all the Weinstein stuff


Quote:

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Libertarian goals and ideals are about polar opposites of the tyrannical despotic spendaholic thug life of Democraps - real, delusional or imagined.



Where does this Huma woman and that pedo Weiner guy fit in?



?



State Dept. releases Huma Abedin emails from Weiner's laptop


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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 1:13 PM

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Senior Senate Republican says Russia probe must continue ‘without political influence’

The special counsel investigation of links between Russia and President Trump's 2016 election campaign should continue without interference in 2018, despite calls from some Trump administration allies and Republican lawmakers to shut it down, a prominent Republican senator said on Sunday.

Lindsey Graham, who serves on the Senate armed forces and judiciary committees, said Department of Justice Special Counsel Robert Mueller needs to carry on with his Russia investigation without political interference.

"This investigation will go forward. It will be an investigation conducted without political influence," Graham said on CBS's Face the Nation news program.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-politics/senior-senate-r
epublican-says-russia-probe-must-continue-without-political-influence/article37464983
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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 4:06 PM

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Lindsey Graham



Neo-Con McCain, Neo-Liberals like Hillary Clinton and Graham all one and the same?



?

pirate news once wrote Sen. Lindsey Graham was booed at his own S.C. Republican Convention over "emotional topic" of immigration. The crowd booed South Carolina U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, a key ally of McCain in both his 2000 and 2008 presidential bids

Guardians newspaper wrote, McCain accused of accepting improper donations from Rothschilds

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Thursday, January 4, 2018 1:42 PM

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Lawmakers briefed by Yale psychiatrist on Trump's mental health

More than a dozen lawmakers last month met with a Yale University psychiatry professor for two days to discuss President Trump's fitness for office

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawmakers-briefed-by-yale-psyc
hiatrist-on-trumps-mental-health-report/ar-BBHQtbq?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp



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Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:09 PM

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Quote:

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Weiner-gate probably led to all the Weinstein stuff
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Libertarian goals and ideals are about polar opposites of the tyrannical despotic spendaholic thug life of Democraps - real, delusional or imagined.


Where does this Huma woman and that pedo Weiner guy fit in?

State Dept. releases Huma Abedin emails from Weiner's laptop

You mean a fake release, like Hilliary's emails? Or they really did release them?

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Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sounds like he has his priorities in alignment. Didn't really think he had it in him.

What do you mean by priorities? Trump let's 63,000 of his citizens die because he is too busy chasing down Tax Cuts for

hardworking American citizens.

63,000 Democraps or other Libtards find another way to commit suicide.
And this affects me how?
Lettuce axe Trump to establish a Commission to end suicides of various methods. By the time they complete their navel-gazing the economy will be growing and there will be no time for suicidal tendencies.

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Steve Bannon, White House chief strategist, paced the West Wing, openly dispensing odds on Donald Trump’s chances of surviving in office.

Bannon gave Trump a probability of a third that he might limp to the finish line because of Democratic incompetence; a third that he would be pushed from office under the 25th amendment on grounds of mental incapability; and a third that he would be impeached.

That a man who was for many months Trump’s right-hand man would brazenly give out such doom-laden predictions is remarkable enough. But letting the world know of it via Michael Wolff’s book could make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Bannon may already be cooperating with Mueller for all we know. He has no incentive to cover up for Trump, or his family members.

Trump may try to belittle Bannon’s involvement with his campaign and subsequent time in the White House, scoffing that he had “little to do with our historic victory”, but few will buy that.

Bannon was an insider in the campaign at the highest level, and in the White House all the way to August 2017. He was talking to the president constantly – I can’t imagine Trump not confiding in him, including over the Russia inquiry.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/04/trump-russia-steve-bannon-book
-robert-mueller

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Thursday, January 4, 2018 8:49 PM

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I'm going to laugh if this book isn't real.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 5, 2018 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm going to laugh if this book isn't real.

I'm going to laugh because Trump proved that he is stone cold crazy. He has just insured that Wolff’s book will be a bestseller by foolishly saying he is suing to block publication. You know how that fucking jackass is about "suing", but then not actually suing.

The problem for Trump is that contract suits have to allege economic damage. They have to allege a breach of a promise, and then you have to show the breach of that promise caused the plaintiff to suffer some economic damage — and you have to prove it with certainty. It would be impossible, plausibly, to show that any particular criticism of Trump cost him.

Trump can't prove any actual damages.

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Friday, January 5, 2018 7:39 AM

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FBI Ties 'Alt-Right' to Amtrak Terror Attack

A 26-year-old white man who attempted to commit a terror attack on an Amtrak train in rural Nebraska also attended the doomed “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, last August on the white supremacist side, according to a court document.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-ties-alt-right-to-amtrak-terror-
attack/ar-BBHTbFm?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp



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Friday, January 5, 2018 10:54 AM

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Trump’s attempt to silence a book made it a bestseller instead.

Yesterday Trump’s lawyer sent Wolff and his publisher a cease and desist order to stop the release of the book. Despite — indeed, perhaps because of — Trump’s efforts to undermine Fire and Fury, the book is on course to be a bonafide bestseller.

Wolff’s book has been resting comfortably at the number one spot on Amazon’s overall bestselling books list yesterday and today.

In publishing, Trump’s denunciation may prove even more lucrative than an endorsement from the Midas of book sales, US talk show host, Oprah Winfrey.

https://qz.com/1172846

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Michael Wolff’s new book, Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, could have repercussions far beyond United States borders. Foreign governments have been struggling for the past year to negotiate with the Trump administration. Now some of their representatives say the excerpts they’re read so far confirm their worst fears about the White House’s erratic decision making.

“It does look like a total mess,” said Jorge Guajardo, the former Mexican ambassador to China who now advises companies and governments in DC. “Nobody knows who is in charge of what,” said Guajardo. Foreign ministers visiting Washington struggle to find counterparts with any decision-making authority and “at the end of the day they all end up in the White House — and even there they can’t get what they agreed to,” he said.

Latin American leaders have been visiting DC since Trump became president, “assuming institutions work,” Guajardo said. But the message the book drives home is that “it doesn’t matter who you talk to or what they agree to. It is irrelevant.”

So far, China’s Communist Party government has crafted perhaps the most concrete strategy for “handling” the Trump administration — seizing the opportunities it creates to advance China’s role on the international stage, while sloughing off previous Western demands that China become more democratic, and trying to appeal to the Trump family clan.

As other governments realize the opportunity that the chaos in the Trump White House creates, expect America to get left even farther behind.

https://qz.com/1171673

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Faustian Bargain on the Potomac
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/opinion/faust-on-the-potomac.html

Paul Krugman JAN. 5, 2018

I haven’t yet read Wolff’s book – do I really have to? — but the basic outlines of his story have long been familiar and uncontroversial to anyone with open eyes. Trump is morally and intellectually incapable of being president. He has also exploited his office for personal gain, obstructed justice, and colluded with a hostile foreign power. Everyone who doesn’t get their news from Fox has basically known this for a while, although Wolff helps focus our minds on the subject.

It seems to me that that the real news now is the way Republicans in Congress are dealing with this national nightmare: rather than distancing themselves from Trump, they’re doubling down on their support and, in particular, on their efforts to cover for his defects and crimes. Remember when Paul Ryan was the Serious, Honest Conservative? (He never really was, but that was his public image.) Now he’s backing Devin Nunes in his efforts to help the Trump coverup.

As Brian Beutler says, Republicans have become the Grand Obstruction Party. Why?

The answer, I think, is that the cynical bargain that has been the basis of Republican strategy since Reagan has now turned into a moral trap. And as far as we can tell, no elected Republican – not one – has the strength of character to even attempt an escape.

The cynical bargain I’m talking about, of course, was the decision to exploit racism to advance a right-wing economic agenda. Talk about welfare queens driving Cadillacs, then slash income taxes. Do Willie Horton, then undermine antitrust. Tout your law and order credentials, then block health care.

For more than a generation, the Republican establishment was able to keep this bait-and-switch under control: racism was deployed to win elections, then was muted afterwards, partly to preserve plausible deniability, partly to focus on the real priority of enriching the one percent. But with Trump they lost control: the base wanted someone who was blatantly racist and wouldn’t pretend to be anything else. And that’s what they got, with corruption, incompetence, and treason on the side.

Nonetheless, aside from a handful of Never Trumpers, just about everyone in the Republican establishment decided that they could work with that. They knew what Trump was, but were willing to overlook it as long as they could push their usual agenda. What about the populism? They guessed, correctly, that this wouldn’t be a problem: Trump didn’t even hesitate about abandoning all his campaign promises and going all in for cutting taxes on the rich while slashing benefits for the poor.

Early on, some speculated that this would be a temporary alliance – that establishment Republicans would use Trump to get what they wanted, then turn on him. But it’s now clear that won’t happen. Trump has exceeded everyone’s worst expectations, yet Republicans, far from cutting him loose, are tying themselves even more closely to his fate. Why?

The answer, I’d argue, is that they’re stuck. They knowingly made a deal with the devil, and can’t back out.

More specifically, Trump’s very awfulness means that if he falls, the whole party will fall with him. Republicans could conceivably distance themselves from a president who turned out to be a bad manager, or even one who turned out to have engaged in small-time corruption. But when the corruption is big time, and it’s combined with obstruction of justice and collaboration with Putin, nobody will notice which Republicans were a bit less involved, a bit less obsequious, than others. If Trump sinks, he’ll create a vortex that sucks down everyone involved.

And so we now have the Republican party as a whole fully complicit in Trump’s crimes – because that’s what they are, whether or not he and those around him are ever brought to justice.

What this means, among other things, is that expecting the GOP to exercise any oversight or constrain Trump in any way is just foolish at this point. Massive electoral defeat – massive enough to overwhelm gerrymandering and other structural advantages of the right – is the only way out.

Readers commented that if massive electoral defeat is the only way out, then there is a very good chance that there is no way out because there hasn't been enough damage yet to the US. Kansas under Gov. Brownback is a good example of this: it had massive, multiple failures on all fronts, but Kansas remains under Republican control.
https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_Kansas_state_government

In Kansas, a few of the newly elected GOP legislators adjusted some of its decisions, with help from all the Democrats in the legislature, and that was enough to keep the GOP in power. The Democrats did not take control because they did not allow the GOP to crash the economy of Kansas. If Kansas had failed, making a smoking crater in the prairie, then control of the legislature might have switched to Democrats. But if it ever does, the next election will have control switching back to the GOP since Democrats cannot undo ALL the damage between elections. The majority of voters, forgetting most of what they learned, will return to the familiar GOP.
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/kansass-conservative-tax-
experiment-is-dead/529551
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Saturday, January 6, 2018 7:29 AM

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Trump’s attempt to silence a book made it a bestseller instead.



Ahhhh... The Streisand Effect.

Whoops.

I might actually get the book. Would be good reading material for the shitter.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Trump’s attempt to silence a book made it a bestseller instead.



Ahhhh... The Streisand Effect.

Whoops.

I might actually get the book. Would be good reading material for the shitter.

You read your laptop on the toilet?

There is a long excerpt from Michael Wolff's 'Fire and Fury': Inside Trump's White House at
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fu
ry-book-donald-trump.html


The entire book:
https://thepiratebay.org/search/Wolff Fire and Fury/0/99/0

40% of the likely voters approve of Trump. That’s good enough to win.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

From the book's Epilogue:
Quote:

Trump, in Bannon’s view, was a chapter, or even a detour, in the Trump revolution, which had always been about weaknesses in the two major parties. The Trump presidency — however long it lasted — had created the opening that would provide the true outsiders their opportunity. Trump was just the beginning.

Standing on the Breitbart steps that October morning, Bannon smiled and said: “It’s going to be wild as shit.”

Read it on the toilet, 6ixStringJack.

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Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:05 AM

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I don't have a laptop, but I was recently given a kindle and a tablet.

Thanks for the link. Why am I surprised that it's already on TPB?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, January 6, 2018 5:57 PM

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More departures on horizon for struggling White House staff

Already setting turnover records, President Donald Trump's White House is bracing for even more staff departures and an increasing struggle to fill vacancies, shadowed by the unrelenting Russia probe, political squabbling and Trump's own low poll numbers.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-departures-horizon-struggling-white-ho
use-staff-074043869.html



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Our Cartoon President (2018) Official Trailer



Trump defends his sanity in a series of tweets amid questions about his mental state

President Donald Trump, coming off a week of heightened scrutiny over his mental health, sought to put the topic to rest on Saturday by declaring himself extraordinarily intelligent and undeniably right in the head.

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Wow. How brave of Showtime. Right on the heels of Kathy Griffon tanking her career by holding a severed head of Trump half a year ago.

Yawn.

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Wow. How brave of Showtime. Right on the heels of Kathy Griffon tanking her career by holding a severed head of Trump half a year ago.

Yawn.

6ixStringJack, all you proved is that Republicans lack self-control. Australians, for example, don't mentally come unglued when mocked: Kathy Griffin, Laugh Your Head Off World Tour review, Melbourne Comedy Theatre

"I've got no agent, I've got no publicist," say US comedian Kathy Griffin during the first Melbourne performance of her world tour. She's talking about how her career imploded in the wake of her posing with a mock-up of Donald Trump's blood-covered head.

After the pic went viral online, Griffin was sacked by CNN and had theatres across the US cancel her planned shows. Former friends condemned her, while Trump supporters inundated her – and her mother and ill sister – with abuse and death threats. {Nothing says more clearly that the GOP is full of nuts and delicate snowflakes.}

But this is Australia, and the stunt has seemingly had no impact on her popularity with fans here. A packed Comedy Theatre gave her a rock-star welcome and an extra show was added due to demand.

www.smh.com.au/entertainment/comedy/kathy-griffin-laugh-your-head-off-
world-tour-review-melbourne-comedy-theatre-20171028-gza6t7.html


While the Trump incident and its aftermath is given due weight in the show (Griffin was the subject of a two-month federal investigation and, astonishingly, put on a no-fly list), the verbose redhead also spends plenty of time telling more upbeat anecdotes, like her friendly relationship with her eccentric next door neighbours in Hollywood – Kim Kardashian and Kanye West.

Griffin says she doesn't "give a f---" anymore and is happy to dish dirt on some of her famous former friends, as well as her run-ins with executives in the entertainment industry. In the context of the sexual harassment scandals currently engulfing powerful Hollywood figures, Griffin's world tour and recent retraction of her apology starts to look like an important act of defiance.

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Sunday, January 7, 2018 9:58 AM

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Wow. How brave of Showtime. Right on the heels of Kathy Griffon tanking her career by holding a severed head of Trump half a year ago.

Yawn.

6ixStringJack, all you proved is that Republicans lack self-control. Australians, for example, don't mentally come unglued when mocked: Kathy Griffin, Laugh Your Head Off World Tour review, Melbourne Comedy Theatre

"I've got no agent, I've got no publicist," say US comedian Kathy Griffin during the first Melbourne performance of her world tour. She's talking about how her career imploded in the wake of her posing with a mock-up of Donald Trump's blood-covered head.

After the pic went viral online, Griffin was sacked by CNN and had theatres across the US cancel her planned shows. Former friends condemned her, while Trump supporters inundated her – and her mother and ill sister – with abuse and death threats. {Nothing says more clearly that the GOP is full of nuts and delicate snowflakes.}

But this is Australia, and the stunt has seemingly had no impact on her popularity with fans here. A packed Comedy Theatre gave her a rock-star welcome and an extra show was added due to demand.

www.smh.com.au/entertainment/comedy/kathy-griffin-laugh-your-head-off-
world-tour-review-melbourne-comedy-theatre-20171028-gza6t7.html


While the Trump incident and its aftermath is given due weight in the show (Griffin was the subject of a two-month federal investigation and, astonishingly, put on a no-fly list), the verbose redhead also spends plenty of time telling more upbeat anecdotes, like her friendly relationship with her eccentric next door neighbours in Hollywood – Kim Kardashian and Kanye West.

Griffin says she doesn't "give a f---" anymore and is happy to dish dirt on some of her famous former friends, as well as her run-ins with executives in the entertainment industry. In the context of the sexual harassment scandals currently engulfing powerful Hollywood figures, Griffin's world tour and recent retraction of her apology starts to look like an important act of defiance.



All you've proven is that American Media lacks self control.

CNN is a Liberal outfit. Any sacking of Kathy Griffin there was by Democrats.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 7, 2018 10:21 AM

THGRRI


SEC Probing Kushner Company Role In Visas-For-Money Program

Chinese who invest in Kushner company real estate deals can get green cards.

As Donald Trump battles to build a wall to keep Mexican immigrants out of America, the Securities and Exchange Commission is probing the real estate company owned by the family of his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and its link to a lucrative federal visa program, The Wall Street Journal reported.


The EB-5 visa program provides green cards to immigrants who invest a minimum of $500,000 in certain American businesses. The Associated Press reported last year that wealthy Chinese spent $7.7 billion obtaining 40,000 of the “golden visas” in the U.S. in the last decade.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kushner-investigation-invisas-for
money_us_5a51ad55e4b01e1a4b15a93e



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Sunday, January 7, 2018 11:01 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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If there is any truth to that story, it could certainly mean trouble for the Trump administration.

That's very similar to how they ended up getting Republican George Ryan out of the Governorship of Illinois, only to replace him with Democrat Rod Blagoyovich who was also later ousted for different charges of corruption.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 7, 2018 2:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I think Jared needs to do a better job picking his relatives before he's born.

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The EB-5 visa program provides green cards to immigrants who invest a minimum of $500,000 in certain American businesses.
The EB-5 "visa for money" program is an official, sanctioned, US program. Many countries around the world, including first-world countries, have similar programs.
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https://www.uscis.gov/eb-5
EB-5 Immigrant Investor Program
USCIS administers the EB-5 Program. Under this program, entrepreneurs (and their spouses and unmarried children under 21) are eligible to apply for a green card (permanent residence) if they:
Make the necessary investment in a commercial enterprise in the United States; and
Plan to create or preserve 10 permanent full-time jobs for qualified U.S. workers.

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The Associated Press reported last year that wealthy Chinese spent $7.7 billion obtaining 40,000 of the “golden visas” in the U.S. in the last decade.
Apparently it's a very popular program with many US businesses looking for investors - popular enough to grant 4,000 Chinese investor-visas every year over 10 years. I estimate these visas are requested by a minimum of 1000 companies per year.
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Kushner Companies came under fire in May after Kushner's sister, Nicole Meyer, a principal at the company, mentioned her brother's service in the Trump administration during a pitch to investors in Beijing.
NB: Jared Kushner is not implicated.
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Though Kushner, a (sic) and senior White House adviser, stepped down from running the company, he still maintains a stake in projects.
But makes no business decisions.
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The Kushner family later apologized, saying it hadn’t intended to capitalize on the role of the president’s son-in-law in the White House as part of the presentation.
NB: Jared Kushner is still not implicated.

Unless someone can find Jared Kushner played an active role in FRAUDULENTLY obtaining visas for investors - ie, these investors didn't comply with program requirements or were otherwise ineligible - I don't see a problem here, except perhaps false advertising by implication, by Jared's sister.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, January 7, 2018 3:39 PM

THGRRI


It's obvious you didn't understand the point of the article. Read it again.
T


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think Jared needs to do a better job picking his relatives before he's born.

Quote:

The EB-5 visa program provides green cards to immigrants who invest a minimum of $500,000 in certain American businesses.
The EB-5 "visa for money" program is an official, sanctioned, US program. Many countries around the world, including first-world countries, have similar programs.
Quote:

https://www.uscis.gov/eb-5
EB-5 Immigrant Investor Program
USCIS administers the EB-5 Program. Under this program, entrepreneurs (and their spouses and unmarried children under 21) are eligible to apply for a green card (permanent residence) if they:
Make the necessary investment in a commercial enterprise in the United States; and
Plan to create or preserve 10 permanent full-time jobs for qualified U.S. workers.

Quote:

The Associated Press reported last year that wealthy Chinese spent $7.7 billion obtaining 40,000 of the “golden visas” in the U.S. in the last decade.
Apparently it's a very popular program with many US businesses looking for investors - popular enough to grant 4,000 Chinese investor-visas every year over 10 years. I estimate these visas are requested by a minimum of 1000 companies per year.
Quote:

Kushner Companies came under fire in May after Kushner's sister, Nicole Meyer, a principal at the company, mentioned her brother's service in the Trump administration during a pitch to investors in Beijing.
NB: Jared Kushner is not implicated.
Quote:

Though Kushner, a (sic) and senior White House adviser, stepped down from running the company, he still maintains a stake in projects.
But makes no business decisions.
Quote:

The Kushner family later apologized, saying it hadn’t intended to capitalize on the role of the president’s son-in-law in the White House as part of the presentation.
NB: Jared Kushner is still not implicated.

Unless someone can find Jared Kushner played an active role in FRAUDULENTLY obtaining visas for investors - ie, these investors didn't comply with program requirements or were otherwise ineligible - I don't see a problem here, except perhaps false advertising by implication, by Jared's sister.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?


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Sunday, January 7, 2018 4:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"It's obvious you didn't understand the point of the article. Read it again."

I believe I do understand the point of the article.

40,000 visas have been granted !!! To CHINESE !!! In a "VISA FOR MONEY" scheme !!! It's YUGE !!! Be alarmed !!!

The fact that it's been over the span of 10 years; a legal, official, US program; one similar to what other countries do; and participated in by thousands and thousands of companies from all over the world ... well, pay no attention to that.

And Kushner's sister mentioned Kushner while promoting visas in China ! Jared must be fraudulently pocketing money from fraudulent visas ! That's the only conclusion you can draw ! Jared is guilty !!!

Even if the visas were all perfectly legally obtained.

Looking further, while your link is dated this year, its links go back to reporting from last May and August. So it's churning old allegations without new information.



Yes, I believe I COMPLETELY understand the point of the story.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
SEC Probing Kushner Company Role In Visas-For-Money Program

Chinese who invest in Kushner company real estate deals can get green cards.

As Donald Trump battles to build a wall to keep Mexican immigrants out of America, the Securities and Exchange Commission is probing the real estate company owned by the family of his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and its link to a lucrative federal visa program, The Wall Street Journal reported.


The EB-5 visa program provides green cards to immigrants who invest a minimum of $500,000 in certain American businesses. The Associated Press reported last year that wealthy Chinese spent $7.7 billion obtaining 40,000 of the “golden visas” in the U.S. in the last decade.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kushner-investigation-invisas-for
money_us_5a51ad55e4b01e1a4b15a93e


T

Since the program was created in 1990, 80% of the visas from this program go to 4 countries: China, South Korea, Taiwan, United Kingdom. We really must start vetting those Brits.
In 2014, 85% were given to Chinese Nationals. So we should investigate Obamination more.

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Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"It's obvious you didn't understand the point of the article. Read it again."

I believe I do understand the point of the article.

40,000 visas have been granted !!! To CHINESE !!! In a "VISA FOR MONEY" scheme !!! It's YUGE !!! Be alarmed !!!

The fact that it's been over the span of 10 years; a legal, official, US program; one similar to what other countries do; and participated in by thousands and thousands of companies from all over the world ... well, pay no attention to that.

And Kushner's sister mentioned Kushner while promoting visas in China ! Jared must be fraudulently pocketing money from fraudulent visas ! That's the only conclusion you can draw ! Jared is guilty !!!

Even if the visas were all perfectly legally obtained.

Looking further, while your link is dated this year, its links go back to reporting from last May and August. So it's churning old allegations without new information.



Yes, I believe I COMPLETELY understand the point of the story.

You forgot to put your Delusion Cap on, to see their PoV.

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Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
SEC Probing Kushner Company Role In Visas-For-Money Program

Chinese who invest in Kushner company real estate deals can get green cards.

As Donald Trump battles to build a wall to keep Mexican immigrants out of America, the Securities and Exchange Commission is probing the real estate company owned by the family of his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and its link to a lucrative federal visa program, The Wall Street Journal reported.


The EB-5 visa program provides green cards to immigrants who invest a minimum of $500,000 in certain American businesses. The Associated Press reported last year that wealthy Chinese spent $7.7 billion obtaining 40,000 of the “golden visas” in the U.S. in the last decade.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kushner-investigation-invisas-for
money_us_5a51ad55e4b01e1a4b15a93e


T

Yet another useless post from our resident muckraker wannabe.

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