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1kiki, I'm not buying the premise that the white majority are rational; I've seen too many white Republican Texans make ruinous private decisions unrelated to politics. If a majority of Americans were rational (they are not) and they also disliked their government then at every state and local election (specifically excluding Presidential) rational Americans would do what this guy says he will do: “The only thing the government does is screw the working people,” says Scott, a Trump voter from Georgia contacted by email, who asked that his last name not be published. He says he’ll do everything he can to vote Republicans out of power in 2018. “What is the next step, short of armed insurrection?”

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Maybe if everybody voted the way that I do until things start getting better, politicians might get the hint that they actually have to serve the people if they want more than one term.

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Maybe if everybody voted the way that I do until things start getting better, politicians might get the hint that they actually have to serve the people if they want more than one term.

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Most people can't punish a politician for lying to them about his true intentions because it is too much effort for most people to keep track of the politician's promises versus his self-serving actions once in office. The politician spends thousands of hours being devious and crafty and the voter spends a hundred seconds thinking about it before returning the same guy to the same office as before. Here is how that works in real life:

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/16/hard-times-in-trump-country/

Jamie Stewart voted for Donald Trump, but she thinks the president is a “jackass.” She doesn’t really love to talk about what he’s doing or why she voted for him. “They should take his phone away from him,” she says. “He posts stupid shit all the time.”

Stewart works as a customer service manager at Walmart — though not enough hours to receive benefits or health insurance from her employer. She is raising her 10-year-old autistic son, Wyatt, mostly alone.

In a series of interviews that stretched over a year, Stewart was ambivalent when pressed about the president’s accomplishments or any promises he might have kept. “I don’t really pay attention,” she says. “I don’t have time to give a shit.”

Since Trump astonished himself and the world on election night last year, observers have scrambled to figure out people like Stewart, Middle America’s “white working class.” Why did they vote as they did? And were they going to do it again?

“Economic anxiety” quickly became the default explanation — which, as some have since pointed out, doesn’t account for the economic anxiety of nonwhites who didn’t vote for Trump or consistent support for the president among whites across class and income. “This is not a working-class coalition,” The Atlantic’s Adam Serwer wrote in a detailed analysis of the vote. “It is a nationalist one.” Those who argued that the anxiety was more racial than economic called Trump’s election a “whitelash” and a “temper tantrum.” Others saw it as “political nihilism,” “the revenge of the forgotten class.”

Stewart’s views offer a glimpse into a community that might think of itself as being far removed from the country’s politics, but in fact, lies at their very core.

Stewart said she had no illusions, when she voted for Trump, that things would get better. “Trump came in, promised West Virginia bigger and better things,” she said. “Something so bad, you can’t make great overnight.” Today, she doesn’t regret her decision, nor does she try to justify it or apologize for it. “It just seemed like the best choice,” she says. “Better than Hillary, that’s what everybody was saying, so that’s what we went with. A lot of my family was just like, put anybody in that office other than that bitch.”

More at https://theintercept.com/2017/12/16/hard-times-in-trump-country/

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1kiki, I'm not buying the premise that the white majority are rational

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the one-third of Americans who actually vote

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About 139 million Americans, or 60.2 percent of the voting-eligible population, cast a ballot in November’s elections, according to data compiled by the U.S. Elections Project.
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/324206-new-report-finds-that-v
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the one-third of Americans who actually vote

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And I would probably have a better opinion of your posts if you didn't post untrue shit (ie lie). You claimed (ie lied) that one-third, 33%, of Americans vote. But 60% did.

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Massive Equifax Data Breach Could Affect Half of the U.S. Population

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Data of 143 million Americans — nearly half the country — exposed in Equifax hack

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That brings the total number of Americans whose data was exposed to 145.5 million people.

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One in 10 American consumers has no credit history, according to a study released Tuesday by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. (Tweet This)

The research found that about 26 million American adults have no histories with national credit reporting agencies such as Equifax, Experian and TransUnion. In addition to those so-called credit invisibles, an additional 19 million have credit reports that are so limited or out of date that they are unscorable. In other words, 45 million American consumers are living without credit scores.

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One in 10 American consumers has no credit history.

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The research found that about 26 million American adults have no histories with national credit reporting agencies...

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In addition to those so-called credit invisibles, an additional 19 million have credit reports that are so limited or out of date that they are unscorable. In other words, 45 million American consumers are living without credit scores.

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And I would probably have a better opinion of your posts if you didn't post untrue shit (ie lie). You claimed (ie lied) that one-third, 33%, of Americans vote. But 60% did.

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This is just a sign that wittingly or unwittingly, Second is an excellent student of the MSM and their constant manipulation of facts and statistics to suit their own narrative.

Remember when "Less than 50% of Americans" could have been effected by the Equifax data breech?

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Later on, it was found that a few more million people were admitted to:

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Well... there are currently 73.8 Million children in the US in 2017. And they don't count.

https://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp

And there are 323.1 million people in the US in 2016.

(Google search result and answer for "how many people in the us today")

And 45 Million Americans don't have a credit score.

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One in 10 American consumers has no credit history, according to a study released Tuesday by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. (Tweet This)

The research found that about 26 million American adults have no histories with national credit reporting agencies such as Equifax, Experian and TransUnion. In addition to those so-called credit invisibles, an additional 19 million have credit reports that are so limited or out of date that they are unscorable. In other words, 45 million American consumers are living without credit scores.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/05/credit-invisible-26-million-have-no-cr
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So let's not, for the moment, even consider illegals living here who don't have credit, simply because that could skew too many numbers too many ways.

(See what I did there, MSM!!!!???? I erred on the side of caution instead of linking to various claims that are aren't very solid.... SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT VERY GOOD AT DOING WHEN YOU CONSTANTLY CHOOSE TO SHOEHORN HACK-JOB JOURNALISM IN THERE WHEN IT SERVES TO MAKE YOUR POINT.

Even though I personally believe this variable would greatly benefit my position, it will not be included at all here).

If we throw out that variable, and also any others that I'm currently not considering that could do nothing but further the numbers in the desired direction of the point I'm making, this is what we are left with:


1. People in America: 323.1 million

2. People in America, minus children under 18 who have no credit: 249.3 Million

3. People in America, minus children and those without credit or who's credit histories are so limited or out of date they are unscorable): 204.3 Million.



So, of the 204.3 Million people who (presumably) have credit (based off of these remedial stats), 145.5 Million of them were affected by the Equifax data breech, or just over 71% of us.


Did the MSM lie to us? Or are they just fucking stupid?

One can only speculate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)





SIDE NOTE: I love cnbc's laughable math here. From the article about 45 million people without credit scores:

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The research found that about 26 million American adults have no histories with national credit reporting agencies...

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So are there 450 Million people in America????


Oh.... you... I'm sorry... you actually used the "adults" qualifier for this story, which means that you might actually be using numbers closer to reality when doing your math. You actually, truly meant 1 in 10 out of the Americans that are actually eligible for credit in America. Didja? Didja????

Be still my heart.

They're not correct, but at least they're close. I'm not going to quibble over the journalist's desire to use the "1 in 10" figure when it's closer to around 0.9 in 10, rather than just saying the less attention grabbing "9% of Americans" in their headline.

My apologies CNBC. You pass the math exam today. CBSNEWS on the other hand... you're going to have to repeat the 6th grade.


So why didn't CBSNEWS use the same metrics???? Was every calculator in the damn building broke the day they made their report? Were all of their accountants on vacation that day? Did Equifax lawyers do the math for them?







No... I kid really. When you look at any of the statements made in these stories, they're actually giving true numbers (or reasonably close ones) that they desire people to read, and what they're claiming for the numbers.


It is true, less than half of "ALL" Americans were effected by the Equifax data breech. That is a "fact" that can't be denied... although it's an ENTIRELY TRIVIAL AND MEANINGLESS fact. The math itself is overall pretty sound on any article about the situation. It would have to be, or it would be shot down immediately by critics.

It's how that data is presented. Every story seemed to be telling people "Relax... there was a less than 50% chance that you were effected by the breech", when if you had a credit score nothing could be further from the truth.



Why didn't any of the large news outlets tell the actual truth about this? Lying by omission is still lying.



You want us to believe that you have integrity, MSM?

Then fucking act like it and stop giving us reasons every single day to doubt you and your intentions.

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The story is, when somebody says "the one-third of Americans who actually vote ", they're implying that 2/3rds of Americans choose not to vote, which is a lie.

I've seen both sides do this when it suits them.



My example with the Equifax breech was to show that even though the media made it sound as if less than half the people who had credit cards were potentially victims of identity theft, the true number was at least in the low 70%, if not much greater.

#Lies

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Are you aware that Ted Cruz could now be President, if only? The voters who actually made Trump President number only 14,015,993 and they voted in the Primary. Such a small percent of Americans made the big decision that was ratified in the general election.

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Are you aware that Ted Cruz could now be President, if only? The voters who actually made Trump President number only 14,015,993 and they voted in the Primary. Such a small percent of Americans made the big decision that was ratified in the general election. Ted would be that man had he been more willing than Trump to tell tall tales.

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When 138,846,571 voted in the general election after Hillary and Trump won the primaries, there wasn't much choice between either a not-yet-indicted criminal on the FBI's wanted list or a loudmouth liar. Most of those 138,846,571 let somebody else in the primary make the single most important decision of 2016.

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If Hillary had Won
http://rall.com/2017/12/26/if-hillary-clinton-had-won

When George W. Bush was president, there wasn’t one morning I didn’t regret that Al Gore wasn’t there instead. Gore wouldn’t have invaded Iraq. He might not have gone into Afghanistan either. Unlike pretty much every other president, he cared about the environment.

There isn’t a single moment I miss President Hillary Clinton, though. Trump is a disaster, a real piece of crap. But everyone knows it. Because Trump is so loud and stupid and cruel and greedy and corrupt, all liberals and not a few conservatives clearly discern the true nature of his administration, and of the system itself.

If Hillary Clinton were president, the left would still be just as asleep as it was between 2008 and 2016. First woman president! Aren’t we just the best.

Meanwhile, the drones fire their missiles and U.S. troops and spooks prop up tyrants, and the filthy rich rake in their loot.

Trump gives us clarity. That is no small thing.

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If Hillary had Won
http://rall.com/2017/12/26/if-hillary-clinton-had-won

When George W. Bush was president, there wasn’t one morning I didn’t regret that Al Gore wasn’t there instead. Gore wouldn’t have invaded Iraq. He might not have gone into Afghanistan either. Unlike pretty much every other president, he cared about the environment.

There isn’t a single moment I miss President Hillary Clinton, though. Trump is a disaster, a real piece of crap. But everyone knows it. Because Trump is so loud and stupid and cruel and greedy and corrupt, all liberals and not a few conservatives clearly discern the true nature of his administration, and of the system itself.

If Hillary Clinton were president, the left would still be just as asleep as it was between 2008 and 2016. First woman president! Aren’t we just the best.

Meanwhile, the drones fire their missiles and U.S. troops and spooks prop up tyrants, and the filthy rich rake in their loot.

Trump gives us clarity. That is no small thing.

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Wow.

Second actually posts an article I agree with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Have you heard a broken Clock is right 1/720 of the time?

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Time, energy, and money are limited. Opportunity costs are real, and that’s particularly true in a White House as unfocused, understaffed, and ill-managed as this one.

One thing the Trump administration didn’t do and the price we pay for it:

In 2016, the most recent year for which we have data, a record 63,000 Americans died from drug overdoses — and two-thirds (and possibly more) of those deaths were opioid-related. To put that in perspective, that’s more Americans than died from HIV/AIDS in the worst year of the plague, more Americans than die annually from motor accidents or gun violence. If current trends continue, opioids could kill 650,000 over the next decade.

This is a crisis that needs not just money, but focus, leadership, and creativity. Progress is possible — Vermont’s success has proven that. The federal government could be scaling up Vermont’s program; it could be throwing its vast scientific and public health resources into research and support; it could be spending real money on a race-to-the-top program to fund, study, and expand promising state and local responses.

Instead, capital — both financial and political — that could have gone toward solving the opioid epidemic was plowed into undermining the Affordable Care Act and funneling trillions in tax cuts to corporations. Trump eventually declared a state of emergency over opioid crisis, but didn’t even ask for new funding to fight it. According to a member of his own opioid commission, he’s been “all talk and no follow-through.”

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Are Libertarian the real Democrat and the new bunch Neo-Liberals?

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Where does this Huma woman and that pedo Weiner guy fit in?

State Dept. releases Huma Abedin emails from Weiner's laptop

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I'm going to laugh if this book isn't real.

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Ahhhh... The Streisand Effect.

Whoops.

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Trump, in Bannon’s view, was a chapter, or even a detour, in the Trump revolution, which had always been about weaknesses in the two major parties. The Trump presidency — however long it lasted — had created the opening that would provide the true outsiders their opportunity. Trump was just the beginning.

Standing on the Breitbart steps that October morning, Bannon smiled and said: “It’s going to be wild as shit.”

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Wow. How brave of Showtime. Right on the heels of Kathy Griffon tanking her career by holding a severed head of Trump half a year ago.

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Wow. How brave of Showtime. Right on the heels of Kathy Griffon tanking her career by holding a severed head of Trump half a year ago.

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6ixStringJack, all you proved is that Republicans lack self-control. Australians, for example, don't mentally come unglued when mocked: Kathy Griffin, Laugh Your Head Off World Tour review, Melbourne Comedy Theatre

"I've got no agent, I've got no publicist," say US comedian Kathy Griffin during the first Melbourne performance of her world tour. She's talking about how her career imploded in the wake of her posing with a mock-up of Donald Trump's blood-covered head.

After the pic went viral online, Griffin was sacked by CNN and had theatres across the US cancel her planned shows. Former friends condemned her, while Trump supporters inundated her – and her mother and ill sister – with abuse and death threats. {Nothing says more clearly that the GOP is full of nuts and delicate snowflakes.}

But this is Australia, and the stunt has seemingly had no impact on her popularity with fans here. A packed Comedy Theatre gave her a rock-star welcome and an extra show was added due to demand.

www.smh.com.au/entertainment/comedy/kathy-griffin-laugh-your-head-off-
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While the Trump incident and its aftermath is given due weight in the show (Griffin was the subject of a two-month federal investigation and, astonishingly, put on a no-fly list), the verbose redhead also spends plenty of time telling more upbeat anecdotes, like her friendly relationship with her eccentric next door neighbours in Hollywood – Kim Kardashian and Kanye West.

Griffin says she doesn't "give a f---" anymore and is happy to dish dirt on some of her famous former friends, as well as her run-ins with executives in the entertainment industry. In the context of the sexual harassment scandals currently engulfing powerful Hollywood figures, Griffin's world tour and recent retraction of her apology starts to look like an important act of defiance.

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The EB-5 visa program provides green cards to immigrants who invest a minimum of $500,000 in certain American businesses.

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Kushner Companies came under fire in May after Kushner's sister, Nicole Meyer, a principal at the company, mentioned her brother's service in the Trump administration during a pitch to investors in Beijing.

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SEC Probing Kushner Company Role In Visas-For-Money Program

Chinese who invest in Kushner company real estate deals can get green cards.

As Donald Trump battles to build a wall to keep Mexican immigrants out of America, the Securities and Exchange Commission is probing the real estate company owned by the family of his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and its link to a lucrative federal visa program, The Wall Street Journal reported.


The EB-5 visa program provides green cards to immigrants who invest a minimum of $500,000 in certain American businesses. The Associated Press reported last year that wealthy Chinese spent $7.7 billion obtaining 40,000 of the “golden visas” in the U.S. in the last decade.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kushner-investigation-invisas-for
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"It's obvious you didn't understand the point of the article. Read it again."

I believe I do understand the point of the article.

40,000 visas have been granted !!! To CHINESE !!! In a "VISA FOR MONEY" scheme !!! It's YUGE !!! Be alarmed !!!

The fact that it's been over the span of 10 years; a legal, official, US program; one similar to what other countries do; and participated in by thousands and thousands of companies from all over the world ... well, pay no attention to that.

And Kushner's sister mentioned Kushner while promoting visas in China ! Jared must be fraudulently pocketing money from fraudulent visas ! That's the only conclusion you can draw ! Jared is guilty !!!

Even if the visas were all perfectly legally obtained.

Looking further, while your link is dated this year, its links go back to reporting from last May and August. So it's churning old allegations without new information.



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SEC Probing Kushner Company Role In Visas-For-Money Program

Chinese who invest in Kushner company real estate deals can get green cards.

As Donald Trump battles to build a wall to keep Mexican immigrants out of America, the Securities and Exchange Commission is probing the real estate company owned by the family of his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and its link to a lucrative federal visa program, The Wall Street Journal reported.


The EB-5 visa program provides green cards to immigrants who invest a minimum of $500,000 in certain American businesses. The Associated Press reported last year that wealthy Chinese spent $7.7 billion obtaining 40,000 of the “golden visas” in the U.S. in the last decade.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kushner-investigation-invisas-for
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