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Sunday, August 31, 2025 7:22 AM

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 9:46 AM

SIGNYM

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Everywhere he quotes 1.7 million, a recalculation shows 1.4 million. Unfortunately we'll have to wait until the war is well and truly over, men can come home, and Kiev propagandists and security forces are no longer in charge of the numbers in order to get a better understanding of Kiev losses.

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A Dark Theory: Russian Strategy In Ukraine
Sunday, Aug 31, 2025 - 04:35 AM

Authored by Armchair Warlord,

A dark theory for the evening...

Let's talk about Russian strategy in Ukraine...

Looking at developments lately, specifically:

(1) the Ukrainian casualty leak showing an astronomical 1.7M KIA/MIA; and

(2) the Ukrainian collapse north of Pokrovsk

I thought should revisit a dark thought I had a while ago, namely that, "maybe the killing itself is the point of all of this."


Ya think?

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I've said before that the Russians have fought an extraordinarily clean war in Ukraine, but it should be understood that there is a very legalistic shade on that assessment.

They've killed very few civilians, and Ukrainian propagandists are perpetually beclowning themselves trying to pretend that the usual single-digit handful of injured civilians that accompany the latest attack using hundreds of standoff weapons fired into city centers (producing secondary explosions visible from outer space as military targets hidden among civilian infrastructure are destroyed with surgical precision) somehow constitute gEnOCiDe rather than some of the most well-controlled warfighting in the history of the businesse.


There is another and far darker side to Russia's "clean" war, however.

Let us consider the fate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - legal combatants all, whom the Russians can and do target and kill without limit. I mentioned the casualty leak earlier, but I feel this needs to have a line drawn under it - one point seven million personnel killed or missing in action in the AFU, over the course of the war. 1.7 MILLION. Seven or eight percent of Ukraine's prewar population, probably something like a quarter of the entire national cohort of military-aged males, dead or missing. Casualties on the scale of a genocide, sufficient to permanently cripple any postwar Ukrainian nation.

Casualties multiple times that which I assessed two years ago as sufficient to shatter the AFU based on the experience of Nazi Germany.

This brings me to the Ukrainian collapse north of Pokrovsk two weeks ago, in which a run-of-the-mill Russian attack walked through twenty kilometers of Ukrainian defensive belts and into open country.

The Ukrainian propagandists coped by whining about how the single most important front sector for the AFU had somehow "run out of infantry."

But did the Russians throw in a mobile reserve to collapse the front and chase the AFU back to the Dniper, despite doubtless knowing full well what was going on? No, they did not - they consolidated in the breach and awaited the inevitable, panicked Ukrainian counterattack, in which they would have the opportunity to destroy Ukraine's remaining elite troops.

Which brings me to my conclusion.

The Russians have had countless opportunities to make large advances in this war, especially recently - the Ukrainian front line is an absolute shambles and their "drone wall" tactic will falter against any serious attack. So ineffectual is the AFU that very few Russian moves at the front even face serious opposition these days, with most geolocations of Russian advances showing them already established in place and dealing with harassment by kill drones after having seized positions bloodlessly. The Russians have in fact consistently foregone breaking the front and taking swathes of ground in favor of killing the largest possible number of Ukrainian soldiers on the existing front line under the existing attritional combat dynamic.

This "tactical directive" held true even during the Battle of Sudzha-Korenevo, fought in prewar Russia. Rather than counterattacking aggressively to evict the AFU, the Russians saw the opportunity to kill gigantic numbers of Ukrainians in a trap the enemy wouldn't be able to extract themselves from for ideological reasons, and they took it. That battle ended up being nine months of hideously lopsided butchery that broke the back of the AFU.


All of this makes observing the war more than a little maddening, but it's a consistent pattern of behavior that begs for explanation.

So here's my theory.

The Russian government has consistently sought to end the war via peace treaty with the existing Ukrainian government, not via regime change, outright conquest, or even killing enough of that government to find a more flexible interlocutor among the Maidanites. Putin apparently wants a treaty with Zelensky. The Russians have also consistently made demands of the Ukrainian government - and its NATO sponsors - that are absolute political nonstarters for the Maidan-era regime and which that regime, by its very nature, simply cannot accept. Russian language rights, Orthodox religious rights, demilitarization, large territorial concessions which would see the AFU surrender vast urban areas without a shot fired. And yet the Russians insist, and they're going to continue killing Ukrainian soldiers at ever-more lopsided ratios until they get their way.

Which leads me to the brutal conclusion: Putin doesn't want to see Ukraine conquered. He's never publicly expressed any desire for that.

The consistent Russian policy is instead to see Ukraine - a "free" and "independent" Ukraine, having come to this impasse of its own sovereign will - utterly humiliated.

Putin wants to make Zelensky put on a suit, come groveling to the Kremlin, and sign a treaty that will see the Maidanite government surrender its arms, disgorge huge amounts of territory, and reverse every single anti-Russian policy position it ever had.

Ukrainian nationalism will be discredited overnight by the hands of those very nationalists, and the economically irrelevant, demographically shattered rump state will be sucked back into Russia's political orbit in a matter of days.

So of course the Russians are only advancing in the most leisurely way possible.


Their goal is to place the Ukrainian government into a militarily untenable situation so as to force a flamboyantly humiliating peace treaty upon them that includes large territorial concessions beyond the line of control - the ultimate Ukrainian taboo - so as to discredit Ukrainian nationalism by the hands of the very ultranationalists who took their nation to war in the first place.



Except Russia will never sign with Zelensky.
Talk? Yes.
Negotiate? Yes.
Sign? No.

Which brings me to demographics. With so many Ukrainianmen killed, will there be a huge imbalance of sexes? Or have younger women fled proportional to the men lost, leaving only older people to carry the Ukrainian economy, such as it is?

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 9:54 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Weekend Update #149: Breakthrough? What Breakthrough? Collapse? What Collapse?

Russia Attacks Civilians, Ukraine Attacks Strategic Industries; Pokrovsk Versus Oil Refineries--One Of These Is Strategic, The Other Not.

Phillips P. OBrien | Aug 31, 2025

https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/weekend-update-149-breakthrough
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Hi All,

Well, the battle lines hardly moved this last week—though the Ukrainians did recapture some territory. How can you tell? There was almost no reporting on the state of the land war. The last three weeks have indeed been a brilliant test case in the deceptive way the war has been reported/analysed over the last few years. When there seems to be any panic about Ukraine—its blown all out of proportions with stories of impending Ukrainian collapses and Russian breakthroughs into strategic areas of Ukraine. When, inevitably, these stories are shown to be steaming piles of BS, there is nothing-nada, no attempts to try and understand why the original reporting was so wrong and discussions of how to keep from making the same mistakes over and over again…

In the air war, the Russians launched one of their largest and most deadly attacks on Ukrainian civilians—as part of a campaign to try and break the will of the Ukrainian people. In comparison, the Ukrainian ranged campaign has steadily built up to the point that it might now be called a campaign. The signs are clear now that they have at least one clear strategic target (and its a target alot more “strategic” than a town such as Pokrovsk). This update will therefore end with a comparison between of the strategic importance of these Ukrainian attacks and the Russian efforts to seize Pokrovsk.
Rubble and destroyed buildings.

Kyiv after the Russian aerial attack this week—A Russian “strategic” campaign in action.

Breakthrough? What Breakthrough? Collapse? What Collapse?

Last week the battlelines hardly changed (which is far more the norm than you think). The Russians made no notable advances towards Pokrovsk, were actually pushed back a little near Kupiansk, though they seized some farm fields in a few places. Here is the most recent Deep State map covering a wide swath of the front line from Kupiansk down to Zaporizhzhia.

And here it was last Saturday (August 23).

The differences are so small as to be almost impossible to locate. And yet this is in the height of the summer campaigning season, when the Russian Army we were told was adapting strongly, building up its reserves—and just after the Russians had executed a supposedly devastating breakthrough against Ukrainian forces which indicated the Ukrainians were close to collapse while Putin was on the March.

It was fewer than 3 weeks ago that such stories were widely spread in major outlets such as the Financial Times, Washington Post, and, Daily Telegraph, to name just a few. This avalanche of stories was based on the long-term bugbears being pushed by the analytical community which include such reasons as Ukrainian morale was failing, Ukraine is not drafting enough soldiers from its own population, the Russian military is adapting and getting better, Ukraine has no chance of retaking the lost territory….

And all of it was fed by quotes by western analysts. I found this one piece on the Russian “breakthrough” which combined all the doom by the analytical community as regurgitated by someone who has worked with Pete Hegseth in the Trump Pentagon—Dan Caldwell. On 14 August it was reported that Caldwell had just spoken at an event and went through all the reasons that Ukraine was in peril.

"The Russians currently have the upper hand on the battlefield and, while for good reasons there may be an unwillingness to acknowledge that out loud directly, it also reinforces the fact that there really aren't any good options to fundamentally change that," he added. "From what I saw previously, and from what I'm seeing now in open-source, is that what has been building up for the Ukrainians is fundamentally a manpower issue."

And now, once that infiltration was quickly sealed, now that Russian advances have been severely cut back—we hear crickets. For instance, the Washington Post wrote arguably the worst piece on the “calamity” Ukraine was supposedly facing two weeks ago (even when it was no calamity). Since then, their reporting on the war has simply left that “breakthrough”. Where are the analyses of how the Ukrainians reacted quickly? How the Ukrainians cut the breakthrough into pieces? Or really how the original reporting was completely off-kilter and a small Russian infiltration success was turned into another club to beat Ukraine?

The last three weeks have indicated not massive problems with Ukrainian manpower (which are actually being grossly distorted) but more massive problems with how the war is viewed by the press and analytical community. Sadly, there are no signs that it is going to get better—and it matters, because Ukraine will (and in some ways already is) coming under massive pressure to cede land to Russia. It would be far better to report the land war for what it is—a bloody quagmire for Russia, where the Russian state is expending vast resources and losing mass numbers of soldiers for little or at times no gain. Because that is the truth.

Russia Attacks Civilians, Ukraine Attacks Strategic Industries

This week the Russian launched massive attacks on Ukrainian civilian targets. On the evening of August 30 there was a mass attack with almost 600 Russian drones and missiles on Ukrainian targets (details of the damage are still coming in, but there have been some civilian deaths). That comes only two days after the Russians launched what the Ukrainians are saying is the second largest Russian ranged attack of the war (mostly on Kyiv this time) a bombardment that involved 629 air attack weapons, comp.rising 598 drones and 31 missiles.

This latter attack was particularly bloody, as it included attacking residential blocks in Kyiv, causing more than 20 civilian deaths and many many wounded. The fact that the Russians have sent two mass attacks on civilian targets over the last 4 days shows that this is now a major part of their strategic air campaign. They seem to believe that they can break or at least weaken Ukrainian morale to the point that Ukraine will take the terrible deal that Putin and Trump are trying to foist on the Ukrainian state.

It might also be a sign that they do not know how to respond to the growing Ukrainian strategic air campaign. As I wrote yesterday, there are now signs that Ukraine is about to embark on a sustained strategic air campaign against Russian oil refineries and supplies.

A Strategic Air Campaign For Ukraine: Crushing Russian Mobility Through Oil and Rail Attacks
Phillips P. OBrien
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Aug 30

Hello All,
Read full story

Earlier Ukrainian strategic air campaigns have been fitful—limited by access to effective equipment and therefore lacking the ability for sustained, destructive action. There were some spectacular attacks, but then long periods of quiet when the Russians were able to respond.

Something seems to have changed this last month, as the Ukrainians have upped the number of attacks on Russian oil refineries—at an increased pace During August, Ukraine launched at least ten strikes on major Russian refineries, including:

August 2: Ryazan and Novokuybyshev refineries (both in Samara region);

August 7: Afipsky refinery;

August 10: Saratov refinery;

August 13 and 19: Volgograd refinery (Lukoil);

August 15 and 24: Syzran refinery;

August 24: Novoshakhtinsk refinery;

August 25: Ilsky refinery;

August 28: Kuybyshev and Afipsky refineries.

And reports are now coming in that on the evening of August 30, the Ukrainians hit two more Russian refineries, one Krasnodar in southern Russia and the other in Syzran in the Samara region. Note—its important to see the Ukrainians returning to his the same refinery (Syzran) multiple times in one month. One and done raids are often a chimera—strategic air needs consistency and often regular attacks on the same target to be successful.

This campaign (if that is indeed what it turns into) has a ways to run—but so far the first indications is that it has great promise. The Russians, starting in July, have reportedly stopped all oil sales until the end of September—no small matter for a country that desperately needs oil revenues to keep supplying its war machine. At the same time there are reports that gas shortages are becoming far more regular across Russia. The Moscow Times started a story yesterday in this way.

Once again, Russia is in the grips of a gasoline crisis. Prices at the pump are rising, and some gas stations have run dry. This is not the first time Russia has experienced such shortages, but this time around they could be more serious because of the ongoing war in Ukraine.

And the Ukrainians are also focussing on rising Russian oil prices. Here is a story they have recently released on the subject.

Since July 2025, it (Russia) has banned gasoline exports to ensure internal supply. Yet this has not been enough—prices keep rising. Year-on-year, they are up more than 10%, surpassing 60 rubles (about 75 cents) per liter.

If Ukraine can keep hitting and damaging/destroying Russian refining capacity and the Russian domestic oil situation gets worse (no small matter as summer is ending and the weather will turn cold) this embargo on Russian oil sales might have to be extended. And we still have the Flamingo FP-5s to appear.

We are seeing two very different visions of strategic airpower in action—my bet is on the Ukrainian version being more effective.

Pokrovsk Versus Oil Refineries--One Of These Is Strategic, The Other Not.

Regular readers over the last few years will know that one of the things that bugs me most is the misuse of the word “strategic” by the press and analytical community. Strategic has become a lazy adjective, used by both reporters and analysts to describe something that they want to imply to their readers or followers is really important—particularly if its some difficult to pronounce Ukrainian village that the Russians are about to take. I wrote this piece on the subject almost exactly a year ago (about Pokrovsk as it turns out and the ludicrous way the town was being described as “strategic”. I just took off the paywall which exists on older pieces so you can read it.
Weekend Update #96: The Abuse of the Word “Strategic”
Phillips P. OBrien
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September 1, 2024
Weekend Update #96: The Abuse of the Word “Strategic”

Hello All,
Read full story

However strategic does not mean important or even interesting. It means something of such value that its future will make a material difference to the course of the war—the ability of Russia or Ukraine to continue fighting.

However, lazy strategic myth continues. When the Russians launched their infiltration operation three weeks ago it did not take long for reporters/commentators to trot out the old “strategic” Pokrovsk about to fall narrative—particularly pro-Trump sources (amazing that). My favorite was this ludicrous report in the American Conservative—which basically claimed that Ukraine about to abandon the “strategic” town.

Its so depressing to see how completely the Trump-supporting right has adopted the Russian view of the.

However as the piece written a year ago I hope demostrates, Pokrovsk is not and has never been “strategic”. Its not some vital logistics hub, its a piece of economically unimportant geography that will not effect Ukrainian force generation in any way. No useful war production is located there and the town has been in a battle area for more than a year.

However, do you want to know what is “strategic”? The Russian oil refining industry—that is what. This industry is one of the vital cogs to the whole Russian war machine—the severely damaging of which would have numerous first, second and third order “strategic” effects that would seriously weaken the Russian war fighting.

Oil refining provides huge amounts of money to the Russian state, it helps heat and power Russian cities and factories, it powers the vehicles of the Russian army, etc. The future of Russian oil refining is infinitely more “strategic” in its impact on the war that the fate of Pokrovsk—and right now the Ukrainians are hitting it.

I await all the stories in the press that go into this real strategic war in detail and I want to see that when they do appear, they use the word “strategic”. Because in this case it really applies.

Have a good rest of the weekend everyone.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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