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SIGNY: Instead of looking for areas of disagreement, is it possible for you to look for areas of agreement?

SECONDRATE: How about abolitionists and slave-owners finding "areas of agreement"? The disagreement ran four score and seven years, ending with a million dead. That takes precedence over "areas of agreement".

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Well, show me the slave owners! They don't exist, do they?

So what is THE intractable division between Americans? Surely it's not slavery, or water fluoridation!

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol @ Second pretending that Democrat politicians aren't equally culpable of this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol @ Second pretending that Democrat politicians aren't equally culpable of this.

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If you are saying Democratic politicians who are dead, Dead, DEAD were culpable, you would be correct.

If you don't take into account that today's Senate can kill all good ideas if a minority of Senators hang together to filibuster all good ideas, you are stupid.

There are hundreds of good bills passed by the House of Representatives that will never come to a vote in the Senate because Mitch McConnell does not want them to be voted on, or even forwarded to a Senate Committee for discussion. Those bills were logged in by the clerical staff at the Senate, then Mitch had the bills shredded.

569 House-passed bills await action in the Senate
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/396401-569-house-passed-bills-await
-action-in-the-senate

Senator Mitch McConnell’s Legislative Graveyard
www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/in-senator-mitch-mcco
nnells-legislative-graveyard-senate-republicans-block-commonsense-legislation-to-secure-our-elections-protect-americans-health-care-and-safeguard-pensions-earned-by-working-americans

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup. It's what Obama's Senate did too.

I'm starting to wonder if you're retarded or something.

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Yup. It's what Obama's Senate did too.

I'm starting to wonder if you're retarded or something.

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You can say it, 6ix, but you didn't try to prove it. Try once in while or are you like Trump?

How Many Lies Has Trump Told? 16,241.
www.huffpost.com/entry/jimmy-kimmel-donald-trump-lies_n_5e268d8fc5b673
621f7ada16

Latest False Fact-checks on Donald Trump
www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=donald-trump&ruling=fa
lse

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That doesn't even seem to be a reply to my quote. Are you having a stroke?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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That doesn't even seem to be a reply to my quote. Are you having a stroke?

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If this was real life, I'd pick you off the ground by your shirt and we'd continue this conversation with you fearful I'd hurt you if you lied to me. Then we could have a productive conversation -- a meeting of opposing opinions. But when a Trump voter can say whatever pops into their tiny head, then strange things and obvious lies start coming out of their mouth when they think there are no rules, no judges, no consequences.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol. You're a tough guy too, huh? You do a lot of working out in that fake ivory tower of yours, do ya? Maybe regular swimming in your Scrooge McDuck vault of gold coins to cool off after bench pressing pallets of cash?

Wow. You're scary dude. lol

You're a joke, and you are the punchline.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol. You're a tough guy too, huh? You do a lot of working out in that fake ivory tower of yours, do ya? Maybe regular swimming in your Scrooge McDuck vault of gold coins to cool off after bench pressing pallets of cash?

Wow. You're scary dude. lol

You're a joke, and you are the punchline.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Unlike unemployed 6ix, who is in his prime years for working, I have an actual job to do, despite being 67. Get off the internet, 6ix, and earn money. I got to go do the same.

Prime Working Age Population Data For U.S. Counties
Those considered to be of prime working age are between the ages of 25 and 54.
www.governing.com/gov-data/census/prime-working-age-population-data-fo
r-counties-local-areas.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SIGNY: Instead of looking for areas of disagreement, is it possible for you to look for areas of agreement?

SECONDRATE: How about abolitionists and slave-owners finding "areas of agreement"? The disagreement ran four score and seven years, ending with a million dead. That takes precedence over "areas of agreement".

SIGNY: Well, show me the slave owners! They don't exist, do they?
So what is THE intractable division between Americans? Surely it's not slavery, or water fluoridation!

SECOND: I will show you the modern slave-owners.

The old time plantation slave-owners were the richest people in America! The top 1% of slave-owners owned 90% of the slaves. The top 10% owned 99% of the slaves. A funny thing happened -- the people who owned one or no slaves volunteered to fight for the people who owned all the slaves.

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SIX: That doesn't even seem to be a reply to my quote. Are you having a stroke?

SECOND: If this was real life, I'd pick you off the ground by your shirt and we'd continue this conversation with you fearful I'd hurt you if you lied to me

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So SECOND: You hate Americans so much you won't discuss "What are Americans' interests"?

If JO, CC, WISHY, SHINY etc are reading this, please remember: SECOND hates you.

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Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were having breakfast together, the story goes, when Jefferson called Washington to account for agreeing to the creation of a second — and unnecessary, Jefferson thought — legislative chamber.

“Why,” responded Washington, “did you just now pour that coffee into your saucer before drinking?”

“To cool it,” answered Jefferson. “My throat is not made of brass.”

“Even so, we pour our legislation into the senatorial saucer to cool it,” said Washington, making his point.

The purpose of the 31-member Texas Senate is similar to that of the U.S. Senate: to cool down some of the fevered legislation filed in the Senate or passed by a simple majority of the Texas House of Representatives.

This is accomplished by a Senate rule that requires a super-majority vote (60% of senators on the floor at this time) to bring up a bill for debate. This rule was enacted in 2015; for 70 years previously, a larger, two-thirds vote was required (21 votes of those present).

It’s no coincidence that the 2015 rule change mirrored the Senate’s partisan balance. It allowed Republicans, who held 20 seats, to bring up and pass a bill without any Democrat support. Now — with the possibility that Democrats may gain Senate seats in the general election — the idea has been raised to further lower the threshold during the 2021 legislative session to require only a simple majority vote.

More about how Senates are where legislation goes only to die at www.texastribune.org/2020/01/27/the-texas-senate-could-become-more-dem
ocratic-for-partisan-reasons/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What's your point? If you want to live in a state that passes every Democrat bill under the sun, go move to California.

Tell us how that works out for you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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What's your point? If you want to live in a state that passes every Democrat bill under the sun, go move to California.

Tell us how that works out for you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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The point is that Senates, in Texas and in DC, were designed to work in the same way -- to stop any changes that would be to the disadvantage of a George Washington or a Thomas Jefferson, extremely rich guys who did not want a House of Representatives passing laws that might disadvantage the rich. Or pass laws freeing their slaves. Both George and Thomas were slave-owners who worried that slavery might be outlawed, so they fixed things so it couldn't. They fixed things pretty well, too! If Senators from the slave-owning states had not withdrawn from the Union, laws ending slavery could have never passed.

I am delighted with the Senate! No income taxes in Texas! Very low taxes from DC for me! And I can treat my employees like they are slaves. No law to stop me except the minimum wage law, which the Texas GOP wants to remove.

Goal #25. Minimum Wage: We believe the Minimum Wage Act should be repealed.
www.texasgop.org/platform/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Seriously. Stop being an asshole and evading a question when it's asked of you.


We have plenty of states where Democrat senates are packed to the gills and they're free to do whatever they want.

Can you give me one example where this works out for people?

Just one.

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Seriously. Stop being an asshole and evading a question when it's asked of you.


We have plenty of states where Democrat senates are packed to the gills and they're free to do whatever they want.

Can you give me one example where this works out for people?

Just one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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California. Trump says it is a hellhole because of homeless people, but first you need to define who the people are that you want things to work out for. No political party wants to upset the wealthier 50% of voters in order to build houses in wealthy neighborhoods for the bottom 1% of non-voters who are homeless.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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According to a January 2017 study, “California state and local governments owe $1.3 trillion as of June 30, 2015.” The study was based on “a review of federal, state and local financial disclosures.” In other words, that $1.3 trillion in debt is the amount to which California governments admit.

Indeed, its government has made California unsustainable.

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A majority of U.S. unauthorized immigrants live in just six states – including California (with the largest population at 2.2 million), Texas, Florida, New York, New Jersey and Illinois. There are eight states with 5,000 or fewer unauthorized immigrants. For more, see our report, "U.S. Unauthorized Immigrant Total Dips to Lowest Level in a Decade," and our interactive charts on unauthorized immigrant population trends.

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SIX: Seriously. Stop being an asshole and evading a question when it's asked of you. We have plenty of states where Democrat senates are packed to the gills and they're free to do whatever they want. Can you give me one example where this works out for people? Just one.

SECONDRATE: California. Trump says it is a hellhole because of homeless people, but first you need to define who the people are that you want things to work out for. No political party wants to upset the wealthier 50% of voters in order to build houses in wealthy neighborhoods for the bottom 1% of non-voters who are homeless.

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SIX: Seriously. Stop being an asshole and evading a question when it's asked of you. We have plenty of states where Democrat senates are packed to the gills and they're free to do whatever they want. Can you give me one example where this works out for people? Just one.

SECONDRATE: California. Trump says it is a hellhole because of homeless people, but first you need to define who the people are that you want things to work out for. No political party wants to upset the wealthier 50% of voters in order to build houses in wealthy neighborhoods for the bottom 1% of non-voters who are homeless.

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As a tax-paying Californian, let me tell you how "things are working out" here.

I know a few semi-employed people, one formerly homeless (literally living on the riverbed) and their relatives. They were all (formerly) working-class Americans of various ethnicities (Hispanic, Greek, Anglo, Irish) ... well, the jobs went away and they've been scrambling ever since.

One lived with his mom and her Social Security until she died, then went to live with his wife, her (formerly drug addicted daughter) and seven grandchildren. He got fed up with that life, became an itinerant worker in Idaho, Arizona and Nevada, experienced a heart attack and racked up tens of thousands in unpayable medical bills, moved back to California, got heart treatment and a NEW HIP, FOR FREE, on California's dime, and is noW thinking of moving back out to Arizona where he likes it better and can find work.

Mr Fomerly Homeless got a sweet deal working in Idaho (place to stay, cash money in his pocket) but didn't like the boss' wife so he quit, got a PLACE TO STAY IN LA AND MEDICAL SERVICES FOR FREE, on California's dime, and hs been scratching for a meaningful job ever since.

His cousin gets disability NOT DISABLED, on California's dime, and also MEDICAL CARE for free, on CA's dime.

Another neighbor, former contractor, gets DISABILITY and MEDICAL CARE- probably really disabled.

Do you see the trend here? GREAT BENEFITS, NO JOBS. Add into that the many illegal aliens that CA is determined to support. The benefits are like a magnet, pulling in the undocumented, indigent, and homeless from everywhere. But there aren't any jobs for peple who are willing to and capable of work, and no space for the tens of thousands of crazies and addicts who wandered here because the weather is nice and the befits are all right. That can't last.

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I hate the weather in Texas. If I move anywhere it will be some place further north.

CA doesn't need better "benefits" it needs JOBS. Needing JOBS pretty much applies to just about anyplace in the USA. But that runs counter to the capitalist drive to get rid of employees as fast as possible. How do you solve that conundrum?

OH, that's right: YOU don't. You virtue-signal online even as you benefit from the system. And you've proven time and time again that you hate Americans, so why pretend to care what happens to the rest of us?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I hate the weather in Texas. If I move anywhere it will be some place further north.

CA doesn't need better "benefits" it needs JOBS. Needing JOBS pretty much applies to just about anyplace in the USA. But that runs counter to the capitalist drive to get rid of employees as fast as possible. How do you solve that conundrum?

OH, that's right: YOU don't. You virtue-signal online even as you benefit from the system. And you've proven time and time again that you hate Americans, so why pretend to care what happens to the rest of us?

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I have never been interested solving that problem of going from 4% unemployment to 0%. But it could be done by having California government hire that 4% unemployed. But then again, the wealthier 50% of voters would strongly object. It might be as high as the top 96% of voters objecting.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You're contradicting yourself buddy... again.

I asked you to give me a state run solidly by Democrats that works for the people because time and time again you say the only thing that is keeping Democrats from making everything a Utopia is that the Senate can't pass good Democrat bills.

You said California.

Then out of the other side of your mouth you say that they won't work for the people because they're not rich.

Do you even realize that you have zero points to make about anything?

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SIGNY: I hate the weather in Texas. If I move anywhere it will be some place further north.
CA doesn't need better "benefits" it needs JOBS. Needing JOBS pretty much applies to just about anyplace in the USA. But that runs counter to the capitalist drive to get rid of employees as fast as possible. How do you solve that conundrum?
OH, that's right: YOU don't. You virtue-signal online even as you benefit from the system. And you've proven time and time again that you hate Americans, so why pretend to care what happens to the rest of us?

SECONDRATE: I have never been interested solving that problem of going from 4% unemployment to 0%. But it could be done by having California government hire that 4% unemployed. But then again, the wealthier 50% of voters would strongly object. It might be as high as the top 96% of voters objecting.

SIX: You're contradicting yourself buddy... again.
I asked you to give me a state run solidly by Democrats that works for the people because time and time again you say the only thing that is keeping Democrats from making everything a Utopia is that the Senate can't pass good Democrat bills.
You said California.
Then out of the other side of your mouth you say that they won't work for the people because they're not rich.
Do you even realize that you have zero points to make about anything?

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SECOND's thoughts are like a dog on a chain. His thoughts are chained by hate and can only run in circles.

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SECOND's thoughts are like a dog on a chain. His thoughts are chained by hate and can only run in circles.

SECONDRATE: I keep wondering what country you actually live in. If Americans were as generous in actuality as they are in their imaginations, nobody who holds up a sign on a street corner asking for food/help/money/job would have to wait more than five minutes before a crowd of American citizens would gather around to help. And they would keep helping, never stopping until they died or needed help themselves.

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PITY WOULD BE NO MORE IF WE (YOU) DID NOT MAKE MEN POOR.

There are people who truly need help, but most people just need a meaningful job at a living wage.

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Queen Esther answered, “If I have found favor with you, Your Majesty, and if it pleases you, grant me my life — this is my petition. And spare my people — this is my request. For I and my people have been sold to be destroyed, killed and annihilated. If we had merely been sold as male and female slaves, I would have kept quiet, because no such distress would justify disturbing the king.”

King Xerxes asked Queen Esther, “Who is he? Where is he — the man who has dared to do such a thing?”

Esther said, “An adversary and enemy! This vile Haman!”

Then Haman was terrified before the king and queen. The king got up in a rage, left his wine and went out into the palace garden. But Haman, realizing that the king had already decided his fate, stayed behind to beg Queen Esther for his life.

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PITY WOULD BE NO MORE IF WE (YOU) DID NOT MAKE MEN POOR.
There are people who truly need help, but most people just need a meaningful job at a living wage.

SECOND: It would be trivial to create meaningful jobs at a living wage. Have the federal government order businesses to hire more employees and spread the work to more people by lowering the hours they work while increasing the wage rate per hour to compensate for fewer hours per worker. But that won't happen because business owners

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How a Bible prophecy shapes Trump's foreign policy

For an influential group of American Christians, support for Israel — and hatred of Iran — is based in a biblical prophecy.

When Trump authorized the drone strike that killed the powerful Iranian general Qassem Soleimani, he was acting on the advice of a politically powerful group of evangelical Christians who believe the US and Israel are part of the Bible’s plan to bring about the second coming of Jesus.

Evangelical Christian Zionists are playing an increasingly visible role in Republican politics. Today, unprecedented access to the Trump administration has given them an opportunity to reshape the Middle East.

The video explains America's Bible based foreign policy.

It is all part of Signym’s theory of Trump is a loose cannon, which is exactly what foreign policy needs because it was getting too predictable.

In the Evangelicals’ view, Trump is heroic as was Queen Esther from the Bible who saves the Jews of Israel from being "destroyed, killed and annihilated" by the Persians of Iran. The relevant Bible quote:

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Queen Esther answered, “If I have found favor with you, Your Majesty, and if it pleases you, grant me my life — this is my petition. And spare my people — this is my request. For I and my people have been sold to be destroyed, killed and annihilated. If we had merely been sold as male and female slaves, I would have kept quiet, because no such distress would justify disturbing the king.”

King Xerxes asked Queen Esther, “Who is he? Where is he — the man who has dared to do such a thing?”

Esther said, “An adversary and enemy! This vile Haman!”

Then Haman was terrified before the king and queen. The king got up in a rage, left his wine and went out into the palace garden. But Haman, realizing that the king had already decided his fate, stayed behind to beg Queen Esther for his life.

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Spoiler! Haman dies horribly. It is a messier death than a drone strike with Hellfire missiles.

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Esther+7&version=NIV

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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