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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
MAGA

Fuck Politico.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Don't be fooled. Fascists don't want anything good.

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I say the Republican Party really isn’t a political party. It’s a cartel. Why do cartels exist? Why does OPEC exist? To sell oil. Nobody says, “What is the moral purpose of OPEC?” What does the Republican Party exist for now at the federal level? To beat Democrats —that’s it. There’s nothing else. There is no policy.

Say what you will about Elizabeth Warren, she can at least articulate a theory of government. You can hate it or you can love it, but you can argue with it and she’ll defend it. Can anybody do that on the right with any credibility? I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it. I compare it to the collapse of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union, where the gap between reality and what the party was saying was so massive that it collapsed. I think we’re watching the collapse of the Republican Party. Actually, I know we are.

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Originally posted by second:
Why this former Republican says the party must be burned to the ground

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/8/24/21348295/rnc-2020-trump-stua
rt-stevens-it-was-all-a-lie

Of all the “Never Trumpers,” Stuart Stevens might be the most interesting.

Stevens is one of the most successful GOP operatives in the last couple of decades. He helped lead several presidential campaigns (notably George W. Bush’s two campaigns and Mitt Romney’s failed bid in 2012) and multiple gubernatorial and congressional races. He’s as seasoned as they come in Republican politics.

But Stevens stands out among Trump’s conservative critics because of his candor about the deeper rot at the core of the GOP. And in a new tell-all book, called It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump, he offers a grand mea culpa for his own role in paving the way for Trumpism. “It is a strange, melancholy feeling to turn sixty-five, and realize that what you have spent a good portion of your life working for and toward was not only meritless but also destructive,” Stevens writes.

I spoke to Stevens by phone about the story he wanted to tell in this book and why he insists that “Donald Trump did not change the Republican Party as much as he gave the party permission to reveal its true self.” Then we discuss which Republicans, in his words, “bamboozled” him by pretending to care about conservative principles only to toss them out the window the second it was convenient to do so.

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I say the Republican Party really isn’t a political party. It’s a cartel. Why do cartels exist? Why does OPEC exist? To sell oil. Nobody says, “What is the moral purpose of OPEC?” What does the Republican Party exist for now at the federal level? To beat Democrats —that’s it. There’s nothing else. There is no policy.

Say what you will about Elizabeth Warren, she can at least articulate a theory of government. You can hate it or you can love it, but you can argue with it and she’ll defend it. Can anybody do that on the right with any credibility? I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it. I compare it to the collapse of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union, where the gap between reality and what the party was saying was so massive that it collapsed. I think we’re watching the collapse of the Republican Party. Actually, I know we are.

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Get a free download of the book from the mirrors at
https://libgen.unblockit.top/search.php?req=Stevens+It+Was+All+a+Lie

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Jesus Christ. Kellyanne Conway's husband George worked for Ted's favorite NeoCon backed Lincoln Project?

WTF is this Clown World we're living in 2020?


I bet they hate fucked every night.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Jesus Christ. Kellyanne Conway's husband George worked for Ted's favorite NeoCon backed Lincoln Project?

WTF is this Clown World we're living in 2020?


I bet they hate fucked every night.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Clown world. I wonder where you picked that phrase up?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What don't you still get about this, Second?

Fuck the old GOP. Fuck Mitt Romney. Fuck GWB. Fuck GHWB. Fuck John Bolton. Fuck John McCain's rotten corpse.

Trump is burning it to the ground. That's why we voted for him and that's why he will win again in November.

The old GOP was almost as bad as the new Democratic Party. And Vox and the rest of you idiots are doing yourself no favors by aligning yourselves with some of the most evil men who were a part of the pre-Trump NeoCon GOP because it suits your agenda.

Fucking John Kasich at the DNC?

Only in Democrat led 2020 Clown World.



I'd suggest your people stop burning cars and garbage trucks to the ground and you set your current party on fire too.


And, incidentally, Ted really needs to stop blowing NeoCons and spreading their Lincoln Project propaganda around.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Pelosi Calls Republicans 'Domestic Enemies Of The State'

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
DEMOCRATS: this is what you do when you're out of ideas on how to represent Americans.

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Pelosi Calls Republicans 'Domestic Enemies Of The State'

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This is the logical outcome of your racist and sexist exploitation of 'identity politics' that divides the country. Because you absolutely CAN NOT cross your big money donors to make life better for all. THIS is a reprise of Hillary's 'basket of deplorables' in flyover country.

KEEP IT UP DEMOCRATS. Keep writing people off who have real economic distress until you have no one left to claim as your own.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Who PEOPLE LISTEN TO because they and their problems have been so disenfranchised, demeaned, and dismissed ...

... by international corporate interests who are now running the so-called democratic party ...

... that they had literally no where else to go.



ETA: I've been pondering the failure of the Tea Party for a while, because Trump vanquished a whole slate of them during the primaries.

The whole notion that Trump won just because republicans are racist, sexist, xenophobic pigs was disproven by the 2016 primaries. The Tea Party already had that territory covered in every shade of discrimination you can imagine, with 'small government-mania' as an extra. What it never did was address the economic malaise of working people, and of the country, because they too were - and are - beholden to their big-money donors. THAT's what put Trump over the top in the primaries and the general election. It wasn't the culture war issues, it was the bad economy, that nobody else was addressing.

Until democrats get their act together (assuming they ever clue in, that is) and AT LEAST pay better-sounding lip-service to people's economic distresses, the democrats will continue to fail.

In the meantime, that the democrats are STILL staking their viability on identity politics - at least we're not republicans - or TRUMP! - is a big mistake. Many people see NOT being Trump as the problem, not the solution.

Democrats need to focus on the problems that matter to people, and their blame-free white-wash weak-tea "Build Back Better" that doesn't identify the causes of economic distress isn't going to cut it.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Who PEOPLE LISTEN TO because they and their problems have been so disenfranchised, demeaned, and dismissed ...

... by international corporate interests who are now running the so-called democratic party ...

... that they had literally no where else to go.



ETA: I've been pondering the failure of the Tea Party for a while, because Trump vanquished a whole slate of them during the primaries.

The whole notion that Trump won just because republicans are racist, sexist, xenophobic pigs was disproven by the 2016 primaries. The Tea Party already had that territory covered in every shade of discrimination you can imagine, with 'small government-mania' as an extra. What it never did was address the economic malaise of working people, and of the country, because they too were - and are - beholden to their big-money donors. THAT's what put Trump over the top in the primaries and the general election. It wasn't the culture war issues, it was the bad economy, that nobody else was addressing.

Until democrats get their act together (assuming they ever clue in, that is) and AT LEAST pay better-sounding lip-service to people's economic distresses, the democrats will continue to fail.

In the meantime, that the democrats are STILL staking their viability on identity politics - at least we're not republicans - or TRUMP! - is a big mistake. Many people see NOT being Trump as the problem, not the solution.

Democrats need to focus on the problems that matter to people, and their blame-free white-wash weak-tea "Build Back Better" that doesn't identify the causes of economic distress isn't going to cut it.

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Originally posted by RF:
And are you seriously claiming the big corps run the D party but not the R? So dumb...

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November 8, 1938 Democrats lose 8 seats in the Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_United_States_Senate_elections

November 5, 1940 Democrats lose 3 seats in the Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_United_States_Senate_elections

November 3, 1942 Democrats lose 8 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_United_States_Senate_elections

November 7, 1944 Democrats lose 1 seat. Hitler and Hirohito are almost done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_Senate_elections

November 5, 1946 Democrats lose 11 seats, lose the Senate, but won WWII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_United_States_Senate_elections

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Democrats get reliably rewarded in Congress and the Presidency for looking after the well being of ordinary Americans instead of sacrificing them to international business interests.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Not sure why you're so stuck on pretending that Congress = the Senate, or that the US government = Congress.

Here's a complete picture.

Until you decide to address the complete picture, with all the dates it covers as well as the the complete legislative branch plus the executive branch, I don't see a point in discussing the "American voter" any further.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The facts are: democrats did nothing for the average worker during the Obama presidency; Hillary and the DNC were all about identity politics as long as you had the right identity; Pelosi as the single most visible representative of democrats in the last 4 years has made the democrats all about being anti-Donald; and the party platform of today is meaningless happy-talk without a commitment to identify and solve the causes of the average American's economic malady.

Democrats can't even pay decent lip service to ordinary Americans and their economic misfortunes.

No amount of Trump-demonizing is going to change the perception that democrats can't even pretend to address our economy that's failed everyday Americans.

So, to get back to what Trump is doing that democrats seem completely blind to - he's got Jerome Powell and Steve Mnuchin on the line to pump up the stock market, because politically, he can't afford a crash. Democrats will be facing the headwind of a good stock market and the normalcy and stability that projects (no matter how bad the fundamentals).


ETA: I've been pondering the failure of the Tea Party for a while, because Trump vanquished a whole slate of them during the primaries.

The whole notion that Trump won just because republicans are racist, sexist, xenophobic pigs was disproven by the 2016 primaries. The Tea Party already had that territory covered in every shade of discrimination you can imagine, with 'small government-mania' as an extra. What it never did was address the economic malaise of working people, and of the country, because they too were - and are - beholden to their big-money donors. THAT's what put Trump over the top in the primaries and the general election. It wasn't the culture war issues, it was the bad economy, that nobody else was addressing.

Until democrats get their act together (assuming they ever clue in, that is) and AT LEAST pay better-sounding lip-service to people's economic distresses, the democrats will continue to fail.

In the meantime, that the democrats are STILL staking their viability on identity politics - at least we're not republicans - or TRUMP! - is a big mistake. Many people see NOT being Trump as the problem, not the solution.

Democrats need to focus on the problems that matter to people, and their blame-free white-wash weak-tea "Build Back Better" that doesn't identify the causes of economic distress isn't going to cut it.

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November 8, 1938 Democrats lose 8 seats in the Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_United_States_Senate_elections

November 5, 1940 Democrats lose 3 seats in the Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_United_States_Senate_elections

November 3, 1942 Democrats lose 8 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_United_States_Senate_elections

November 7, 1944 Democrats lose 1 seat. Hitler and Hirohito are almost done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_Senate_elections

November 5, 1946 Democrats lose 11 seats, lose the Senate, but won WWII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_United_States_Senate_elections

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November 5, 1946 Democrats gain 14 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_elections

November 2, 1948 Democrats gain 9 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_elections

November 7, 1950 Democrats lose 5 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_United_States_Senate_elections

September 8, 1952, November 4, 1952 Democrats gain 2 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_United_States_Senate_elections

September 13, 1954, November 2, 1954 Democrats gain 2 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_United_States_Senate_elections

November 6, 1956 Democrats maintain all seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_United_States_Senate_elections

November 4, 1958 Democrats gain 14 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_United_States_Senate_elections]



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Steve Rattner: U.S. Economy Is Still In Shambles

ht tp://ww w. you tube.com/watch?v=fhWzRngMslQ

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Originally posted by second:
You didn't notice that 1kiki botched this:

November 5, 1946 Democrats gain 14 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_elections

Wrong numbers, wrong year, wrong URL.

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I took Kiki on faith. Furthermore, it doesn't matter, because it gets the point across. Yanno, the one that you, yourself brought up in the very next sentence here:

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But the bigger point you also missed: Americans randomly go left and right without regard for what is happening in the real world. America is flipping a coin to decide D vs R.

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No shit they do. THAT'S THE POINT THAT YOU MISSED IN THE POST THAT KIKI TROLLED YOU ON HERE:

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Do you want to know what doing a good job will get the Democratic Party from a grateful America?

I will show you:

November 8, 1938 Democrats lose 8 seats in the Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_United_States_Senate_elections

November 5, 1940 Democrats lose 3 seats in the Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_United_States_Senate_elections

November 3, 1942 Democrats lose 8 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_United_States_Senate_elections

November 7, 1944 Democrats lose 1 seat. Hitler and Hirohito are almost done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_Senate_elections

November 5, 1946 Democrats lose 11 seats, lose the Senate, but won WWII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_United_States_Senate_elections

America turned control back over to Herbert Hoover’s Republicans a little bit at a time. That is how grateful America was to FDR’s Democrats for doing a good job.

By December 1, 1950, Nixon will be California’s Senator. He will be Vice President until 1961. Then President. We know what a super job Nixon did and how that story ends, don’t we?

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You're just pissed off that Kiki dismantled your point in one easy reply, and doubly pissed that I chimed in and laughed about it.

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It shows plainly in history, but you don't believe that.

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And you continue to be wrong... Nothing new here.

Kiki pointed out to you the point that you are NOW trying to make with your backpedaling. You think everybody is stupid enough to buy your bullshit? You're far out of your league son.

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Tough shit for you, you dumb motherfucker living on $4,500 per year.

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I can easily live off of $4,500, quite comfortably. I make more than that, and save ALL of it.

Sure sounds REAL dumb to me.

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Did you notice, in your gif, that Nelson from the Simpsons wears ragged clothes and his mother is no better than a whore? Why then is 6ix using Nelson as an avatar?

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Because it's a meme. And you're a humorless, hateful Leftist NPC that doesn't understand memes.

You're losing the narrative. And it's very funny watching you become unhinged as we get closer to the election.

Tick Tock, Motherfucker ;)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The facts are: democrats did nothing for the average worker during the Obama presidency; Hillary and the DNC were all about identity politics as long as you had the right identity; Pelosi as the single most visible representative of democrats in the last 4 years has made the democrats all about being anti-Donald; and the party platform of today is meaningless happy-talk without a commitment to identify and solve the causes of the average American's economic malady.

Democrats can't even pay decent lip service to ordinary Americans and their economic misfortunes.

No amount of Trump-demonizing is going to change the perception that democrats can't even pretend to address our economy that's failed everyday Americans.

Until democrats get their act together (assuming they ever clue in, that is) and AT LEAST pay better-sounding lip-service to people's economic distresses, the democrats will continue to fail.

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Originally posted by second:
Your argument has already been picked apart in a book called Evil Geniuses The Unmaking of America: A Recent History by Kurt Andersen.
Andersen sets out to narrate a complex, many-layered history of how a band of rich people, corporate executives and political right-wingers, aided and abetted by gullible “useful idiots” in the media and the political left, transformed the nation into a casino where only they ever win.
Book review at
www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/books/review/kurt-andersen-evil-geniuses.ht
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For those past two decades, I’d prospered and thrived in the new political economy. And unharmed by automation or globalization or the new social contract, I’d effectively ignored the fact that the majority of my fellow Americans weren’t prospering or thriving.
In 40 years ... Economic inequality has reverted to the levels of a century ago and earlier, and so has economic insecurity, while economic immobility is almost certainly worse than it’s ever been.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/i-was-useful-idiot-c
apitalism/615031/

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The antiwar movement and counterculture, coming right after the successful civil-rights movement, had generated intense mutual contempt between the two main kinds of white Democrats, members of the working class and the expanding so-called New Class. ... Beginning right then, the suspicion and contempt between less-educated white people and the liberal white bourgeoisie became what the American class struggle was most visibly and consciously about. And it would define our politics as the economy was reshaped to do better than ever for yuppies and worse and worse for the proles ... Thus like most Democratic politicians at the same time, media people became enablers of the national change in perspective from left to right concerning economics ... From New Deal to New Democrats ... from then on it was much harder for labor unions to influence the Democrats’ choice of nominee—which in turn enabled Hart to help win the 1972 nomination for the hippie-loving, antiwar, women’s-lib, “acid, amnesty, abortion” candidate despised by so many of the blue-collar union members ... Hart, on the other hand, was a cool young Yalie whose 1974 Senate campaign stump speech was actually called “The End of the New Deal.” ... The new approach propagated rapidly. Soon almost every up-and-coming national Democratic politician was a New Democrat: Hart, Paul Tsongas, Jerry Brown, Bill Bradley, Al Gore, Bob Kerrey, Bill Clinton—all first elected senator or governor between 1974 and 1984 when they were in their 30s, all about to become serious presidential candidates ... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/i-was-useful-idiot-c
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Everything Andersen writes agrees with me - liberal, 'new', and neo-liberal Democrats were complicit in the selling out of the working class.

They still are.


BTW What I posted a couple of months ago still is true - Trump is a FAR better salesman than democrats give him credit for. He does a FAR better job ferreting out what people want to hear. Democrats who are harping, hoping, that being anti-Trump is the ticket to political success are doomed.

Democrats need a better shtick than the one they've gotten now, and a better shtick than Trump.

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One simple example where Democrats and Republicans are on opposite sides about "the working class": the minimum wage.

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The American cult of the individual denies not just community but the very idea of society.

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One simple example where Democrats and Republicans are on opposite sides about "the working class": the minimum wage.

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The minimum wage is such a small part of how the US economy is failing Americans - well, failing in general - that it's hardly an economic issue at this point. It's more of a cultural one.

Democrats are not going to fix the economy. They have absolutely no intention of doing that.

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody notice how Second pretends constantly to care about the minimum wage, yet spends every opportunity he can to try to shame somebody who makes minimum wage?

More hypocrisy from our resident Dissociative ID.

Keep getting those Virtue points, Machiavelli.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Layoffs aren't firing, dipshit.

But keep pretending you give a shit about anybody but yourself. We all know that you don't.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You need to employ your alternate personality to pile on, huh?

Why don't you worry about you like you always do, Second, and stop pretending like you give a shit at all about the working class.

We know that everything you say and everything you do is bullshit, and we certainly don't need a self-fellating head case like you speaking for any of us.

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Stop yourself for just a second, 1kiki. Please go look intensely at just the minimum wage. Come up with your own theory of why it has been stuck at one number since July 24, 2009.

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Stop yourself for just a second, 1kiki. Please go look intensely at just the minimum wage. Come up with your own theory of why it has been stuck at one number since July 24, 2009.

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You tell me - who was president in 2009? 2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016?

MEANWHILE - why did the wages decline during Obama's presidency?

https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/

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