new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China by 1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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I was at a docs office yesterday and the nurse there blew it all off. "We lived through swine flu and Sars and everything else. People live, people die, whatever."

That's EXACTLY what you want a nurse to say who (supposedly) takes care of people to keep them healthy and alive!

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Friday, February 28, 2020 11:40 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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SHITSTAIN - It’s worth parsing that coronavirus 2019-nCoV

This is not the actual name of the virus. It's SARS-COV-2. Why should I accept an article that can't even get the name of the virus right?

Why would YOU post an article that can't even get the name of the virus right?

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Friday, February 28, 2020 1:04 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

This is a thread about the coronavirus, not Trump. Despite the crisis in China, I have not opined about President Xi, only about the response to the flu, which I thought was wrong in some instances. So I'm not going to post a lot about Trump, but I WILL say that so far he has shown poor leadership.

Trump views just about everything in terms of re-election politics, but the problem is that the virus is NOT A POLITICAL ACTOR. It's not like the deep state or a foreign nation or House Dems or the stock market. You can't threaten it, fire it, negitiate with it, or goose it higher. Your actionable response has to be knowledgable and prompt, and since Trump can't pay attention to details and doesn't respect scientific know-how, what kind of response will be implemented?

While Presidents can't implement domestic policy, they can sure bollox things up, and with the M$M ready to crucify Trump over anything ... or nothing, as they have repeateadly demonstrated ... Trump can't afford to blow this. I expect Trump to provide timely, reliable information even as he provides cheerleading, because if he doesn't the M$M will fill in the blanks for him. AND for his minions to craft a vigorous respone including a lot more testing, rounding up supplies of masks and gloves, contact tracing and school closures and lockdowns if they become necessary.

If he doesn't do a 180 and get his act together, he's going to have his "Heckuv job, Brownie" election loss.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, February 28, 2020 1:31 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Also, just a comment about Iran: Their infection rate is far, far higher than they admit, judging by the number of deaths. Statistically somewhere between 3.500 and 53,000 at the 95% CI.

The government has closed schools and suspended Friday prayers (yep, churches ... a huge source of infection) but has not instituted lockdowns.

*****

The Japanese seem to have reversed their "let it blow over" policy and closed schools nationwide.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, February 28, 2020 1:41 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"A cluster of COVID-19 cases was later detected starting with 16 confirmed cases in Lombardy on 21 February."

"There are now 821 coronavirus cases in Italy"

What a difference a week makes!

A similar EXPLOSIVE spread was seen on the Diamond Princess, so I don't believe this is an instance of the testing catching up to the situation. It really can, under the right conditions, go from few to nearly 1000 in only a week.

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Friday, February 28, 2020 1:53 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Trump was right to not allow Chinese foreign nationals into the country.

But I don't know who made the call to forbid testing if people didn't have high risk histories. If it was a professional judgment, it was dangerously incompetent. And if it was a political judgment, it was dangerously professionally compromised to go along with it.

Since page 1 I've been posting about the problem of undetected cases.

Anyway, Trump imo did something right not allowing Chinese nationals to enter the country.

Then he did something wrong, by treating this as a stock-market(re-election) problem - instead of the serious national health crisis it is.

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Friday, February 28, 2020 3:00 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.

But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.

You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

I'm not religious. Like, at all...

I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, February 28, 2020 3:06 PM

THG

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Friday, February 28, 2020 3:08 PM

I don't really have enough time to get into all of this nonsense.
But here is a post which looks like you're starting to go off the rails. From 27 Feb.

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Yes, AIDS is going to kill 2/3 of the world population before 1990 unless draconian measures must be enacted. Yawn. None of those insipid measures were taken.

AIDS is just a hoax. But it has snookered a couple generations so far.

ETA: I've met folk who claim they knew somebody who died of AIDS, or had AIDS. After they overcame their reluctance to share the facts, they always admitted the person was a drug addict, or on drugs known to kill humans, and their death was exactly the version known to follow the type of drugs they were taking. The same end as printed in the medical texts from the 1950s.
In 1981 the first baffling outbreaks of disease - Kaposi's sarcoma and Pneumocystis carinii - are identified in gay men.

Here you start off by substantiating the facts which I already stated and you quoted, with 2 examples of the facts.

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Jeeze, JSF, it's like you got one message 40 years ago and haven't learned anything since.

I never really followed Senior Medical expert Oprah Winfrey, so when she made this announcement circa 1984, I didn't catch it until about a decade later.

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I honestly never imagined such abysmal ignorance could exist anywhere except backwards countries ruled by religion, superstition, and rumor.

And then here you seem to either get confused, or are arguing with the facts such as those you just stated.
Here in America we have Freedom of Religion, so I don't really mind that you choose to faithfully attend your Church of the AIDS Religion. Although your mindset seems to be strident enough for Jehovah's Witnesses and Hari Krishnas to envy.
It is disappointing to see that you have abandoned your science, technology, and biology knowledge in order to suspend disbelief enough to succumb to your AIDS Religion.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS

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Friday, February 28, 2020 3:25 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
FIFY: nothing worth reading.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well ... ahem! since I was there, working in the medical arena at the time - I don't have to 'believe' it. I saw it. So I know it's true.

As for you, you seem to think it's a matter of religious 'belief'. OK, if you want to make that your religion that's fine by me.

But your religion isn't going to convince my facts. And personally I'd rather live in the real world, instead of your fantasy 'if I believe it enough it'll be true' world.

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Yanno JSF - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.

But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.

You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

And what knowledge and experience do YOU bring to the table, JSF? Besides your 40-year old religion, that is.

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Friday, February 28, 2020 5:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-reinfection-explainer-
idUSKCN20M124

Explainer: Coronavirus reappears in discharged patients, raising questions in containment fight

SHANGHAI/LONDON (Reuters) - A growing number of discharged coronavirus patients in China and elsewhere are testing positive after recovering, sometimes weeks after being allowed to leave the hospital, which could make the epidemic harder to eradicate.

On Wednesday, the Osaka prefectural government in Japan said a woman working as a tour-bus guide had tested positive for the coronavirus for a second time. This followed reports in China that discharged patients throughout the country were testing positive after their release from the hospital.

An official at China’s National Health Commission said on Friday that such patients have not been found to be infectious.

Experts say there are several ways discharged patients could fall ill with the virus again. Convalescing patients might not build up enough antibodies to develop immunity to SARS-CoV-2, and are being infected again. The virus also could be “biphasic”, meaning it lies dormant before creating new symptoms.

But some of the first cases of “reinfection” in China have been attributed to testing discrepancies.

On Feb. 21, a discharged patient in the southwestern Chinese city of Chengdu was readmitted 10 days after being discharged when a follow-up test came back positive.

Lei Xuezhong, the deputy director of the infectious diseases center at the West China Hospital, told People’s Daily that hospitals were testing nose and throat samples when deciding whether patients should be discharged, but new tests were finding the virus in the lower respiratory tract.

Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine at Britain’s University of East Anglia who has been closely following the outbreak, told Reuters that although the patient in Osaka could have relapsed, it is also possible that the virus was still being released into her system from the initial infection, and she wasn’t tested properly before she was discharged.

The woman first tested positive in late January and was discharged from the hospital on Feb. 1, leading some experts to speculate that it was biphasic, like anthrax.

A Journal of the American Medical Association study of four infected medical personnel treated in Wuhan, the epicenter of the epidemic, said it was likely that some recovered patients would remain carriers even after meeting discharge criteria.

In China, for instance, patients must test negative, show no symptoms and have no abnormalities on X-rays before they are discharged.

Allen Cheng, professor of infectious diseases epidemiology at Monash University in Melbourne, said it wasn’t clear whether the patients were re-infected or had remained “persistently positive” after their symptoms disappeared. But he said the details of the Japan case suggested the patient had been reinfected.

Song Tie, vice director of the local disease control center in southern China’s Guangdong province, told a media briefing on Wednesday that as many as 14% of discharged patients in the province have tested positive again and had returned to hospitals for observation.

He said one good sign is that none of those patients appear to have infected anyone else.

“From this understanding ... after someone has been infected by this kind of virus, he will produce antibodies, and after these antibodies are produced, he won’t be contagious,” he said.

Normally, convalescing patients will develop specific antibodies that render them immune to the virus that infected them, but reinfection is not impossible, said Adam Kamradt-Scott, a specialist in infectious diseases at the University of Sydney.

“In most cases though, because their body has developed an immune response to the first infection, the second infection is usually less severe,” Kamradt-Scott said.

Other experts have also raised the possibility of “antibody-dependent enhancement”, which means exposure to viruses might make patients more at risk of further infections and worse symptoms.

China has so far discharged 36,117 patients, according to data from the National Health Commission released on Friday, which represents almost 46% of the total cases on the Chinese mainland. If the 14% rate of reinfection is accurate and remains consistent, it could pose a wider health risk.

“I would say that it is less about if it is possible that re-infection can occur than how often it occurs,” Cheng said.

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Friday, February 28, 2020 7:08 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/news/Pages/third-novel-coronavirus-ca
se-02-2020.aspx

County of Santa Clara Public Health Department Reports Third Case of COVID-19
For immediate release
February 28, 2020

For more information contact:
County of Santa Clara Public Health Communications
Media Line: (408) 794-0707

News highlights:

The third case of COVID-19 in Santa Clara County and is not related to other cases.
The third case had no known exposure to the virus through travel or close contact with a known infected individual.
Now is the time to prepare for the possibility of widespread community transmission.

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Friday, February 28, 2020 8:59 PM

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Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.

But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.

You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

I'm not religious. Like, at all...

I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

I've never done that in 40 years.

It is possible the Earth is round and travels around the sun. I willingly go along with that assumption because there is zero ROI to think otherwise or go down any of the Flat Earther rabbit holes.

I'm not convinced that we aren't in a simulation. And at the end of the day, whether we are or not is no matter.

My mind is one of the most open out there.

However, we have been lied to all of our lives by both the media and the Government likely thousands of times if not tens of thousands of times.

As a school child, we were made to fear sex because of AIDS in school. To this day, in my 40 years, I've never once met a single person who had it or even knew somebody who had it.

I think it's a lie and a manipulation.

Best (worst?) case scenario, it is something that nobody should have ever been afraid of because the chances that anybody would ever get it is next to NIL and they shouldn't have been terrifying 2nd graders that they were going to die of it if they had sex.

Big fat nothing burger.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:50 AM

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I'm A Big Fat Moron burger.

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"In 2017, there were 16,350 deaths among adults and adolescents with diagnosed HIV in the United States and 6 dependent areas. These deaths may be due to any cause."

SO because you didn't know any of the 16k people...out of 327 FUCKING MILLION... it must be a hoax.

Never have I ever met anyone in my life that is as willfully dumb as you are.

Every time I read your thoughts I feel

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 1:11 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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https://www.mintpressnews.com/wall-street-behind-delay-declaring-coron
avirus-outbreak-pandemic-bonds/265264/

In June 2017, the World Bank announced the creation of “specialized bonds” that would be used to fund the previously created Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF) in the event of an officially-recognized (i.e. WHO-recognized) pandemic.

They were essentially sold under the premise that those who invested in the bonds would lose their money if any of six deadly pandemics hit, including coronavirus. Yet, if a pandemic did not occur before the bonds mature on July 15, 2020, investors would receive what they had originally paid for the bonds back in addition to interest and premium payments on those bonds that they receive between the date of purchase and the bond’s maturation date.

July 15, 2020 ... so near, yet so far away!

How long can Tedros hold out and avoid calling it a pandemic?

(It's somewhat more complicated than that and tied directly to the stock market, so if you're interested in details, go to the linked article.)

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:21 AM

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I'm A Big Fat Moron burger.

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"In 2017, there were 16,350 deaths among adults and adolescents with diagnosed HIV in the United States and 6 dependent areas. These deaths may be due to any cause."

SO because you didn't know any of the 16k people...out of 327 FUCKING MILLION... it must be a hoax.

Never have I ever met anyone in my life that is as willfully dumb as you are.

Every time I read your thoughts I feel

HIV and AIDS are two different things, dummy.

16,000+ people is nothing.

Big Nothing Burger.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:55 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

With the new coronavirus, President Donald Trump has finally faced a crisis that’s not of his own making, and his response — dismissive, defensive, prevaricating, all politicized to the point of caricature — bodes ill for some other type of crisis that might embroil him, and us, before his term is up.

Earlier this month, Trump waved away reports of the virus as a blip that will “miraculously” vanish with warmer weather. This week, back home from his trip to India, watching the news of death tolls consume the morning talk shows, he tweeted:

"Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & @CNN are doing everything possible to make the Coronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible. Likewise their Do Nothing Democrat comrades…. USA in great shape!"

Trump had been touting the soaring stock market as a selling point in his reelection campaign; by that logic, he feared, a crashing market could spell his defeat. Presidential Medal of Freedom winner Rush Limbaugh piled on, calling the scare a deep state plot, noting that Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, is the sister of Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general who played a prominent role in the investigation into Trump’s Russia connections. (Limbaugh also informed his listeners that the coronavirus “is the common cold, folks.”)

Not even Trump took that carpet ride. Instead, he started to do what other presidents have done in these circumstances: He heard a briefing from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Afterward, he tweeted, “We have the best experts anywhere in the world and they are on top of it 24/7.” But then he held a news conference and returned to form, dropping his deference to experts, a pose he’d rarely taken, especially when their judgments run counter to his interests.

Steve Bannon, Trump’s former chief strategist and still his ideological guidepost, once said his goal was “the destruction of the administrative state.” Trump took that to mean destroying all centers of power and influence except for the Oval Office and the annexes loyal to it. That’s what he is in the process of doing. His Cabinet, his staff, and the Republicans in Congress are giving him free rein. But they’re slitting their own throats in the process, for in a crisis, especially this crisis, no one is immune from the ravages of incompetent authoritarianism.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-coronavirus-covid19-
response-expertise-contempt.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 7:30 AM

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Donald Trump Jr. just said something unreal about Democrats and the coronavirus:

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But for them to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here, and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump's streak of winning, is a new level of sickness. You know, I don't know if this is coronavirus or Trump derangement syndrome, but these people are infected badly.

The President's eldest son, who has made no secret of his interest in running for office and maybe even president in the future, is suggesting that Democrats are rooting for coronavirus to come to the United States and kill "millions of people" solely so that they might have a better chance of winning in November.

www.cnn.com/2020/02/28/politics/donald-trump-jr-coronavirus-democrats/
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 7:41 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

SIX: I'm not religious. Like, at all...

HA!

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I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

SIGNY: In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.
I've never done that in 40 years.

SIX: It is possible the Earth is round and travels around the sun. I willingly go along with that assumption because there is zero ROI to think otherwise or go down any of the Flat Earther rabbit holes.
I'm not convinced that we aren't in a simulation. And at the end of the day, whether we are or not is no matter.
My mind is one of the most open out there.
However, we have been lied to all of our lives blah blah blah

Oh, you think you're extra-crispy smart because you've entertained the notion that This could all be a dream? Well, sonny, I was asking that question whne I was EIGHT. and I didn't need to see The Matrix to prompt that thought. Furthermore, it's part of a long line of western philosophical discussion ... illusion versus reality. subjectivism versus objectivism ... so neither one of us can even claim to be particularly original.

And don't you think that it's just a little bit intellectually dishonest ... not to say hpocritical ... to be demanding evidence for some things, but then denying that evidence can even exist or that direct observation/exxperience can be probative when the argument doesn't go your way?

JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.

You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 7:55 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

A third case of ncovid19 of "unknown origin", this time in Oregon.

This indicates that "community spread" has already occurred. When the CDC fixes its test kit/reagent problem and/or allows the various state public health labs to conduct alernate testing we'll see the number of cases jump.

We have already suspended our Friday lunches out, and participation at gym. We're limiting our shopping trips, and may wind up wearing masks if the situation progreses.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 7:59 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

KIKI, thank you for bringing the problem of "pandemic bonds" to the fore. That could explain WHO's delay in declaring a pandemic.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:28 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.

You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!

The authorities want two things: not spend their money and effort on your problems but also not appear indifferent. Spinning the problem gives the authorities both things as long as the unsolved problems don't become too large for the authorities to ignore. At that point the authorities start feeling that your problem finally deserves some amount of their effort and money to solve. The more insulated the authorities are from you, the longer the authorities can wait to respond, but the actual waiting time depends very much on the hidden motivations of the authorities. It depends on the psychology of the actual human who is playing the role of authority. Some humans are vastly more stingy and indifferent than others but most try to pretend to care, some succeeding far better than others at playing this role, possibly because they actually do care or they actually are competent authorities, not imposters pretending competence.

Those "pandemic bonds" suggest that authorities don't want to declare a pandemic because money will be lost on those bonds. Maybe some of those authorities actually own "pandemic bonds".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:47 AM

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KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

SIX: I'm not religious. Like, at all...
HA!

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I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

SIGNY: In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.
I've never done that in 40 years.

SIX: It is possible the Earth is round and travels around the sun. I willingly go along with that assumption because there is zero ROI to think otherwise or go down any of the Flat Earther rabbit holes.
I'm not convinced that we aren't in a simulation. And at the end of the day, whether we are or not is no matter.
My mind is one of the most open out there.
However, we have been lied to all of our lives blah blah blah

Oh, you think you're extra-crispy smart because you've entertained the notion that This could all be a dream? Well, sonny, I was asking that question whne I was EIGHT. and I didn't need to see The Matrix to prompt that thought. Furthermore, it's part of a long line of western philosophical discussion ... illusion versus reality. subjectivism versus objectivism ... so neither one of us can even claim to be particularly original.

And don't you think that it's just a little bit intellectually dishonest ... not to say hpocritical ... to be demanding evidence for some things, but then denying that evidence can even exist or that direct observation/exxperience can be probative when the argument doesn't go your way?

JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.

You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

You weren't a young child in school when they were terrorizing kids about an alleged disease that was going to kill you if you had sex yet in adulthood most people can't find somebody who knew somebody who had it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:41 AM

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KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

SIX: I'm not religious. Like, at all...

SIGNY: HA!

SIX ... I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

SIGNY: In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.
I've never done that in 40 years.

SIX: It is possible the Earth is round and travels around the sun. I willingly go along with that assumption because there is zero ROI to think otherwise or go down any of the Flat Earther rabbit holes.
I'm not convinced that we aren't in a simulation. And at the end of the day, whether we are or not is no matter.
My mind is one of the most open out there.
However, we have been lied to all of our lives blah blah blah

Oh, you think you're extra-crispy smart because you've entertained the notion that This could all be a dream? Well, sonny, I was asking that question whne I was EIGHT. and I didn't need to see The Matrix to prompt that thought. Furthermore, it's part of a long line of western philosophical discussion ... illusion versus reality. subjectivism versus objectivism ... so neither one of us can even claim to be particularly original.

And don't you think that it's just a little bit intellectually dishonest ... not to say hpocritical ... to be demanding evidence for some things, but then denying that evidence can even exist or that direct observation/exxperience can be probative when the argument doesn't go your way?

JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.

You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!

SIX: You weren't a young child in school when they were terrorizing kids about an alleged disease that was going to kill you if you had sex yet in adulthood most people can't find somebody who knew somebody who had it.

Well, now you've found THREE people who knew someone ... or a couple of someones ... who had it. Isn't that enuf to satisfy your need for evidence that AIDS really does exist? And if not - why not?

Hey, when I was a kid we were terrorized with the Soviet Union! We had, I kid you not, "air raid drills" that had us hiding under our school desks for when the USSR was going to drop an atom bomb on us. Movies about what a nuclear explosion did to houses and cars and people. Serious discussion about how to protect yourself from nuclear fallout. Movies about the end of the world, like On the Beach. We even had the Cuban missile crisis, which had some people digging fallout shelters in their backyard. It was an existential threat that you couldn't even avoid, really, and it was the scariest thing in my childhood.

But that was a long time ago, SIX. Just because the authorities spun nuclear war for their own purposes doesn't mean that nuclear war couldn't end human civilization as we know it, or that Russia is to blame ... or ISN'T to blame ... for any particular event.

I've had some very anxiety-provoking events in my life, which caused temporary (yearlong) PTSD-like reactions, but as anxiety-provoking as they were, I just had to move on and leave them behind when the cause for anxiety was resolved. Usually an event would cause a reaction when I was experiencing some other unrleated anxiety-provoking stress, but it revolved around fear of the unknown. It's a problem we might share: How to deal with anxiety.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:55 AM

What you probably haven't noticed is that I did leave an opening that there is an extremely small chance that AIDS or something like it does indeed exist. But your own "religion" of science seems to have let you gloss right over that fact.

If it does exist, and that is a BIG IF, it is nothing that ANYBODY should ever worry about for a single second of their entire lives. And it NEVER should have been used to terrorize 2nd graders in schools all over the country who hardly even knew what sex was back in the 80's.

Nilbog's numbers of a related yet very distinctly different disease altogether (HIV) put the number of deaths per year at 16,000 people.

BIG FAT FUCKING NOTHING BURGER.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What you probably haven't noticed is that I did leave an opening that there is an extremely small chance that AIDS or something like it does indeed exist. But your own "religion" of science seems to have let you gloss right over that fact.

It's not my "religion". I KNEW SOMEONE WHO HAD IT. And seeing as I worked with him closely, I knew that altho he was gay he wasn't a drug addict because he never came to work high. I knew approximately when he got it, why and where, and his initial symptoms and the treatments he was on- which ones were working and which weren't. We used to talk, privately and quietly in the "LIMS room" (our unofficial tiny conference room) about his love life, his situation, his finances, jewelry, office politics etc.

Quote:
If it does exist, and that is a BIG IF, it is nothing that ANYBODY should ever worry about for a single second of their entire lives.
If you are a male homosexual or in a relationship with a male bisexual or a male who has spent more than a month in prison, you'd better worry about it!
Quote:
And it NEVER should have been used to terrorize 2nd graders in schools all over the country who hardly even knew what sex was back in the 80's.

Nilbog's numbers of a related yet very distinctly different disease altogether (HIV) put the number of deaths per year at 16,000 people.

BIG FAT FUCKING NOTHING BURGER.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
HIV is the virus. AIDS is the disease (the symptoms). It's like NCOV-19 is the virus, and COVID-19 is the disease. How did your understanding get so fucked up? I know there were rightwingers at the beginning of the epidemic who were convinced that AIDS was not caused by the virus (human immunodefiency virus, HIV) but the "gay lifestyle" of poppers, other drugs, and promiscuity, but as it became clearer and clearer that anti-retrovirals worked to control the symptoms and reduce viral load, I thought that rightwing trope died out. Listening to that being burped back is, like I said, listening to a flat-earther. May as well argue that HepC isn't caused by a virus either.

IMHO SIX, there's no point in discussing this with you. You won't bring up evidence for your POV, just denial and an experience from 2nd grade, an intensely emotional reaction that is just that: emotional.

Maybe this thread isn't the thread for you.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:40 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Jack says that when he was 8 or 9 he was 'terrorized'. And despite the fact that he's had all these years to come up with an ADULT understanding and response, he hasn't managed. He's still that terrorized child, whose only way to deal with his anxiety is denial. There's something wrong with that picture. And I'm not necessarily faulting Jack. He may have a neurochemistry that leads to extreme anxiety. Or yanno, it could be something else.

But the picture he presents doesn't make sense as normal. No matter how terrorized you felt as a child, sooner or later you stop fearing the boogeyman as an existential threat. Or for my generation, you understand an accidental (or otherwise) nuclear confrontation could snuff you out at any time - AND YOU VOTE ACCORDINGLY - but you don't let it paralyze your life. So, imo, he should have resolved that by now.

And the resolution is ... yes, it exists. Take easy, commonsense precautions and you'll be OK. That situation is under his control.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:43 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

ANYWAY ---

2 new presumptive cases of COVID-19 that appear to be community spread were discovered - one in Washington state and one in Oregon. They're waiting on testing confirmation by the CDC.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:54 PM

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I was explaining to dd how doubling time of 3.5 days works ... if you start with "one" on day one, you will be up at approximately 1000 at the end of week 5, and approx 16,500 at the end of week 7. Now these cases (unknown origin) are just the cases that we KNOW about. How many cases do there need to be "in the community" before one case is detected? A factor of ten? Less? More?

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 1:08 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

IDK. Some back of the envelope calculations ... ~80% are mild cases, ~15% serious, and ~5% are critical. At least 1 of the COVID-19 community spread cases is in the ICU on a respirator (ie critical, early reports are that person expired), so there are ~20 cases 'out there' (with a YUGE margin of error). That said ... it took a week for Italy to go from 19 positives to over 800. Low numbers shouldn't be too reassuring. And a 2% fatality rate. So there are ~50 cases 'out there' (with a YUGE margin of error).

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:51 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack says that when he was 8 or 9 he was 'terrorized'. And despite the fact that he's had all these years to come up with an ADULT understanding and response, he hasn't managed. He's still that terrorized child, whose only way to deal with his anxiety is denial. There's something wrong with that picture. And I'm not necessarily faulting Jack. He may have a neurochemistry that leads to extreme anxiety. Or yanno, it could be something else.

But the picture he presents doesn't make sense as normal. No matter how terrorized you felt as a child, sooner or later you stop fearing the boogeyman as an existential threat. Or for my generation, you understand an accidental (or otherwise) nuclear confrontation could snuff you out at any time - AND YOU VOTE ACCORDINGLY - but you don't let it paralyze your life. So, imo, he should have resolved that by now.

And the resolution is ... yes, it exists. Take easy, commonsense precautions and you'll be OK. That situation is under his control.

Are you denying PTSD exists?

I would think that it's even more prevalent among children when they're terrorized.

Maybe one of your science friends should do a study on that, and see how much our Federally Mandated school programs are fucking up the future adults.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:53 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What you probably haven't noticed is that I did leave an opening that there is an extremely small chance that AIDS or something like it does indeed exist. But your own "religion" of science seems to have let you gloss right over that fact.
It's not my "religion". I KNEW SOMEONE WHO HAD IT. And seeing as I worked with him closely, I knew that altho he was gay he wasn't a drug addict because he never came to work high. I knew approximately when he got it, why and where, and his initial symptoms and the treatments he was on- which ones were working and which weren't. We used to talk, privately and quietly in the "LIMS room" (our unofficial tiny conference room) about his love life, his situation, his finances, jewelry, office politics etc.

Quote:
If it does exist, and that is a BIG IF, it is nothing that ANYBODY should ever worry about for a single second of their entire lives.
If you are a male homosexual or in a relationship with a male bisexual or a male who has spent more than a month in prison, you'd better worry about it!
Quote:
And it NEVER should have been used to terrorize 2nd graders in schools all over the country who hardly even knew what sex was back in the 80's.

Nilbog's numbers of a related yet very distinctly different disease altogether (HIV) put the number of deaths per year at 16,000 people.

BIG FAT FUCKING NOTHING BURGER.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
HIV is the virus. AIDS is the disease (the symptoms). It's like NCOV-19 is the virus, and COVID-19 is the disease. How did your understanding get so fucked up? I know there were rightwingers at the beginning of the epidemic who were convinced that AIDS was not caused by the virus (human immunodefiency virus, HIV) but the "gay lifestyle" of poppers, other drugs, and promiscuity, but as it became clearer and clearer that anti-retrovirals worked to control the symptoms and reduce viral load, I thought that rightwing trope died out. Listening to that being burped back is, like I said, listening to a flat-earther. May as well argue that HepC isn't caused by a virus either.

IMHO SIX, there's no point in discussing this with you. You won't bring up evidence for your POV, just denial and an experience from 2nd grade, an intensely emotional reaction that is just that: emotional.

Maybe this thread isn't the thread for you.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

You've brought up no evidence either.

IMHO, you just bought into a scam.

I'll post wherever I want to. You can leave the thread if I'm annoying you. Fine with me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 3:38 PM

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SIX: What you probably haven't noticed is that I did leave an opening that there is an extremely small chance that AIDS or something like it does indeed exist. But your own "religion" of science seems to have let you gloss right over that fact.
SIGNY: It's not my "religion". I KNEW SOMEONE WHO HAD IT. And seeing as I worked with him closely, I knew that altho he was gay he wasn't a drug addict because he never came to work high. I knew approximately when he got it, why and where, and his initial symptoms and the treatments he was on- which ones were working and which weren't. We used to talk, privately and quietly in the "LIMS room" (our unofficial tiny conference room) about his love life, his situation, his finances, jewelry, office politics etc.
... IMHO SIX, there's no point in discussing this with you. You won't bring up evidence for your POV, just denial and an experience from 2nd grade, an intensely emotional reaction that is just that: emotional.
Maybe this thread isn't the thread for you

SIX: You've brought up no evidence either.

IMHO, you just bought into a scam.

I'll post wherever I want to. You can leave the thread if I'm annoying you. Fine with me.

In your mind there seems to be no evidence strong enough to demonstrate that AIDS even exists, let alone is caused by a virus. It's all a hoax. Maybe even the germ theory of disease is a hoax.

I don't mean that you shouldn't post here, just that the topic seems to cause you distress.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 3:49 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Are you denying PTSD exists?

I would think that it's even more prevalent among children when they're terrorized.

Maybe one of your science friends should do a study on that, and see how much our Federally Mandated school programs are fucking up the future adults.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You seem to be run by very strong anxieties. You say when you were a kid you lay awake stressing about imponderables. You worried about your house (which I think drove you to alcoholism), your teeth, and your overall health. It's a pattern you repeat about a lot of things. LIKE COVID-19, that bothered you so much you had to try to convince me to stop posting. But once you decided it was real, your anxieties drove you to conspiracy-land.

I'm not criticizing, I'm just observing. It looks like you have extremely powerful reactions you have to deal with.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:37 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
ANYWAY ---

2 new presumptive cases of COVID-19 that appear to be community spread were discovered - one in Washington state and one in Oregon. They're waiting on testing confirmation by the CDC.

So this is case 62 and 63, right?

60 was the first community case, then 61 was the 2nd community case, as I understand.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:40 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So this is case 62 and 63, right?

60 was the first community case, then 61 was the 2nd community case, as I understand.

The numbers I'm seeing at the moment are all over the map! But at this point the most recent cases are 'presumptive' - state authorities tested them as positive, and the results are waiting for CDC confirmation.

eta

These are all confirmed cases.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html#investigati
on
Updated February 28, 2020

Travel-related 12
Person-to-person spread 3
Repatriated Wuhan, China 3
Repatriated Diamond Princess Cruise Ship 44

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:41 PM

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https://www.mintpressnews.com/wall-street-behind-delay-declaring-coron
avirus-outbreak-pandemic-bonds/265264/

In June 2017, the World Bank announced the creation of “specialized bonds” that would be used to fund the previously created Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF) in the event of an officially-recognized (i.e. WHO-recognized) pandemic.

They were essentially sold under the premise that those who invested in the bonds would lose their money if any of six deadly pandemics hit, including coronavirus. Yet, if a pandemic did not occur before the bonds mature on July 15, 2020, investors would receive what they had originally paid for the bonds back in addition to interest and premium payments on those bonds that they receive between the date of purchase and the bond’s maturation date.
July 15, 2020 ... so near, yet so far away!

How long can Tedros hold out and avoid calling it a pandemic?

(It's somewhat more complicated than that and tied directly to the stock market, so if you're interested in details, go to the linked article.)

Excellent find, right there. Thansk again, I never would have found that in a reasonable timeframe.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:47 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I admit - a personal acquaintance sent it to me. But it seemed significant, so I passed it along.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:49 PM

This site
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
now says 18% of Active Cases are critical/serious, 7 % of Inacive cases are fatal.

Italy has surpassed Diamond Princess for 3rd highest totals, and Iran is about to also.

US is in 11th place, with 68 cases and 7 recoveries.

Canada is 22nd place, with 16 cases, 3 recoveries.

I heard that over 61,000 folks died from flu in 2017.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:53 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yeah, there are numbers chasing each other all over the inet!

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:54 PM

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Originally posted:
I'm A Big Fat Moron burger.

Here Nilbog has typed in that she is a Big Fat Moron.
And then she goes on to prove just how moronic she is.

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"In 2017, there were 16,350 deaths among adults and adolescents with diagnosed HIV in the United States and 6 dependent areas. These deaths may be due to any cause."

SO because you didn't know any of the 16k people...out of 327 FUCKING MILLION... it must be a hoax.

Never have I ever met anyone in my life that is as willfully dumb as you are.
Every time I read your thoughts I feel

Here Nilbog has not one mention of AIDS. In a post she seems to be inserting herself into a discussion of the AIDS Religion.

Reading Nilbog's attempts at thought also makes me ill.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 1:16 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/29/21159204/coronavirus-us-death-washi
ngton-king-county

"While there is some spread in some communities there is no national spread of COVID-19 at this time," Nancy Messonnier ...

And this is Messonnier having to flagellate herself in public, as punishment for telling the truth earlier. OF COURSE there's no NATIONAL spread - at the moment.

I predicted it'll start like this: "I can imagine someone, or a few someones, in the US not feeling really well, who want or need to just shrug it off and carry on without seeing anyone. And if they were in a smaller community, or a not well-served community, I could imagine community spread going unnoticed until someone, or more likely a few someones, become critically ill and die. Because who's going to look too deeply into a pneumonia death or heart failure death of a elderly person during flu season? I think it would take a far louder alarm clock than that.

Anyway, here in the US I see the current problem as a(n) unidentified infectious person(s)."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-dont-know-where-will-go-us-a
ustralia-thailand-report-1st-coronavirus-deaths-new

Summary:

Rhode island announces "presumptive" case; patient recently visited Italy
Italy reports 42% jump in cases overnight to nearly 1,700
6 being tested in NYC for coronavirus
South Korea confirms 18th death, officials seek murder charges for founder of church at epicenter of outbreak
American Physical Society cancels major scientific conference
Juventus quarantines U23 squad
Iran death toll hits 54 as Trump offers aid
Thailand, Australia report first deaths
Spain case count hits 73; France hits 100
Independent scientist says it could have been spreading in WA for six weeks, with hundreds infected
Italian cases number more than 1,100; South Korea reports more than 3,700
Italian death toll hits 29
Luxembourg reports first cases, says it's linked to Italy
UK cases rise to 35 as 12 new cases confirmed; 2 cases infected inside UK
UK health secretary says China-style lockdowns "an option"

And btw, I can't believe it's been incubating in Podunk, USA for weeks and it's not here in SoCal with its large Chinese and Korean populations, and the million+(s) of airport arrivals from China every year.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 1:38 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Are you denying PTSD exists?

I would think that it's even more prevalent among children when they're terrorized.

Maybe one of your science friends should do a study on that, and see how much our Federally Mandated school programs are fucking up the future adults.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You seem to be run by very strong anxieties. You say when you were a kid you lay awake stressing about imponderables. You worried about your house (which I think drove you to alcoholism), your teeth, and your overall health. It's a pattern you repeat about a lot of things. LIKE COVID-19, that bothered you so much you had to try to convince me to stop posting. But once you decided it was real, your anxieties drove you to conspiracy-land.

I'm not criticizing, I'm just observing. It looks like you have extremely powerful reactions you have to deal with.

Never once in adulthood have I believed that AIDS is real.

That has nothing to do with the Coronavirus.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 2:09 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It's your religion, Jack. Please don't argue religion in rwe.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 3:37 PM

Canada gegts 3 new cases in 24 hours.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-canada-cases-184926838.html

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 3:52 PM

https://www.alabamanews.net/2020/02/23/al-lawmakers-plan-to-house-amer
icans-exposed-to-coronavirus-has-been-cancelled/

https://www.al.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-evacuees-may-not-come-to-a
labama-gov-ivey-says-anniston-fema-facility-a-back-up.html

It is a FEMA site. Fully paid for by the Federal Government.
They whined that they don't want to provide Federal Emergency support when needed, after eons of sucking the Federal tit.
The Federal Budget currently not yet passed should immediately defund this entire site, let everybody in that town start looking for a job - or move them all oout of the state.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 3:58 PM

This site
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
now says 18% of Active Cases are critical/serious, 7 % of Closed cases are fatal.

Iran has surpassed Diamond Princess for 4th highest totals.

DP cases have 7 deaths.

US is in 12th place, with 73 cases and 9 recoveries.

Canada is 21st place, with 20 cases, 4 recoveries.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 4:00 PM

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It's your AIDS religion. Please don't argue your AIDS religion in RWED.

FIFY.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 4:19 PM