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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

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Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:39 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Yup.

But the most ridiculous thing about this winter is that it's the first in three that I haven't worked and it would have been the nicest for driving. The last two winters were terrible for driving to work and now that I've only filled my gas tank 3 times in the last 6 months there's no snow at all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 31, 2020 3:00 PM

1KIKI

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Yanno ... more cases around the globe, more human-to-human transmission not in the China, more deaths ... yadda yadda yadda ...

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Friday, January 31, 2020 3:14 PM

SIGNYM

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I watched most of a 26-minute video of a "citizen journalist" who made his way into Wuhan. It was a nonstop bitchfest, and like SECONDRATE, some of his gripes contradicted some of his other gripes.

So, for example, he says that many hospitals in Wuhan are not full. This, he says, is the result of public transportation being shut down, with only four taxis per district (10,000 people) being available. People don't have the transportation to get to the hospital.

Halfway thru the video, he describes a scene where people are lined up in corridors getting oxygen, that people are on IV drips in their cars in the hospital parking lot or in the hospital courtyard outdoors. How does that square with people not having transportation to hospital, and hospitals being relatively empty?

He mentions that the government is building hospital(s?) as fast as it can, with negative pressure zones and air exhaust and sewage disinfection. Of course, he uses that as a bitchfest too, wondering how many workers will be killed on the job. But IF TRUE, then China sees this flu as a true emergency.

One thing he did mention many times is that there are only a limited number of test kits... in his estimation, each hospital is getting only 100 kits per day, and that the hospitals are EXTREMELY reluctant to test people if they don't believe that the patient is seriously sick with flu.

IF TRUE, that does a couple of things ... it reduces the total number of diagnosed patients. At the same time, it drastically increases the measured death rate, since asymptomatic/ mildly symptomatic people would never be tested positive. The only way to get a true death rate is near-universal testing of at least one sub-population.

I'll see if I can find that video link, but the two things I would really like to follow up on would be the availability of test kits and whether or not the Chinese government is really building hospitals in response to this outbreak.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, January 31, 2020 3:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/they-all-knew-chinese-furious-v
irus-fighting-officials-who-lied-about-human


This article is based on a NEJM paper as a starting point, that said that person-to-person transmission was occurring as early as mid-December 2019, in Wuhan.

I'm going to go out on a limb with an opinion that will never, ever, be able to be tested out with facts. This has the makings of an OOPS at the Chinese BSL4 lab near Wuhan. It looks like the Chinese had a viral escape, and tried to cover up the problem by being really quiet, and hoping it might go away. That would be like how the US treated the air-transmissible Ebola at Reston Virginia, except the US probably got lucky because, afaik, there was no human-to-human Ebola spread.

Reading all the articles I have read, I would 1) not trust ANY data out of China officialdom; and 2) only put qualified trust in data from other countries' officialdom.

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Friday, January 31, 2020 3:30 PM

1KIKI

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...but the two things I would really like to follow up on would be the availability of test kits and whether or not the Chinese government is really building hospitals in response to this outbreak.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

AFAIK they really are building an instant hospital. "I've seen pictures." I am snickering just a bit with that, but it's all I have to go on. I don't know how we can get reliable information out of China right now.

It sure would be nice to have an intrepid and independent press right now, instead of stenographers who meekly mouth officialdom's pronouncements!

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Friday, January 31, 2020 3:52 PM

SIGNYM

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China has in the past built "instant" structures ... hospitals, apartment complexes, skyscrapers, bridges etc. They're fully capable of that. If they're really doing it, then they either perceive a real epidemic problem, or a real political one (in which the local government ... which everyone knows are more corrupt than the national one ... sat on a secret and hoped it would go away, leaving the national government to contain the political fallout.

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Friday, January 31, 2020 3:58 PM

1KIKI

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Hmmm ... well, idt China would build an instant hospital to politically rescue a local government. And if the virus was no real threat, there would be no need to build an instant hospital to rescue the national government. This would all fizzle out on its own. I think it means this is an actual, serious threat.

What occurred to me btw is to compare the coronavirus stocks at the Canadian BSL4 facility with 2019-nCoV. It would be interesting, at least.


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Friday, January 31, 2020 3:59 PM

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At least an "instant" hospital wouldn't have staph. At least not instantly.

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Friday, January 31, 2020 4:01 PM

1KIKI

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooohh!

Nice!

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Friday, January 31, 2020 5:08 PM

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This thread wa started on the evening of 20 Jan 2020.

I recall the news had already been out and updated a few times by that time.

From the stories in the OP, it seems the Sunday before was also referenced.

What is the date that they are considering Day One for their charts and graphs, and how do they define Day One? The first Fatality? The first known case in Human?

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Friday, January 31, 2020 7:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, the 'day 0' keeps getting pushed back further and further as more information comes out. So I don't know what date they picked for the graph at the time they created it. I also don't think the number of deaths is reliable, no matter what the start date. I believe they're underestimated. The OTHER thing they don't include is number of infections! (and those numbers wouldn't be reliable, anyway, either).

I think the more troubling information on the chart is the trajectory.

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Friday, January 31, 2020 9:00 PM

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I wouldn't believe Day 0 if it started here and we were told what it was.

Just forget about getting a real Day 0 out of China. It ain't going to happen.

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Friday, January 31, 2020 9:21 PM

SIGNYM

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In addition, other recent studies have linked the 2019-nCoV to SARS CoV. We therefore compared the spike glycoprotein sequences of the 2019-nCoV to that of the SARS CoV (NCBI Accession number: AY390556.1). On careful examination of the sequence alignment we found that the 2019- nCoV spike glycoprotein contains 4 insertions [Fig.2]. To further investigate if these inserts are present in any other corona virus, we performed a multiple sequence alignment of the spike glycoprotein amino acid sequences of all available coronaviruses (n=55) [refer Table S.File1] in NCBI refseq (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) this includes one sequence of 2019-nCoV[Fig.S1]. We found that these 4 insertions [inserts 1, 2, 3 and 4] are unique to 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses analyzed. Another group from China had documented three insertions comparing fewer spike glycoprotein sequences of coronaviruses . Another group from China had documented three insertions comparing fewer spike glycoprotein sequences of coronaviruses (Zhou et al., 2020).

We then translated the aligned genome and found that these inserts are present in all Wuhan 2019-nCoV viruses except the 2019-nCoV virus of Bat as a host [Fig.S4]. Intrigued by the 4 highly conserved inserts unique to 2019-nCoV we wanted to understand their origin. For this purpose, we used the 2019-nCoV local alignment with each insert as query against all virus genomes and considered hits with 100% sequence coverage. Surprisingly, each of the four inserts aligned with short segments of the Human immunodeficiency Virus-1 (HIV-1) proteins. The amino acid positions of the inserts in 2019-nCoV and the corresponding residues in HIV-1 gp120 and HIV-1 Gag are shown in Table 1.

The first 3 inserts (insert 1,2 and 3) aligned to short segments of amino acid residues in HIV-1 gp120. The insert 4 aligned to HIV-1 Gag. The insert 1 (6 amino acid residues) and insert 2 (6 amino acid residues) in the spike glycoprotein of 2019-nCoV are 100% identical to the residues mapped to HIV-1 gp120. The insert 3 (12 amino acid residues) in 2019- nCoV maps to HIV-1 gp120 with gaps [see Table 1]. The insert 4 (8 amino acid residues) maps to HIV-1 Gag with gaps.
MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insert
ions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon


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Friday, January 31, 2020 9:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insert
ions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon


Now, a respected epidemiologist who recently caught flack for claiming in a twitter threat that the virus appeared to be much more contagious than initially believed is pointing out irregularities in the virus's genome that suggests it might have been genetically engineered for the purposes of a weapon, and not just any weapon but the deadliest one of all.

In "Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag", Indian researchers are baffled by segments of the virus's RNA that have no relation to other coronaviruses like SARS, and instead appear to be closer to HIV. The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications.



We then translated the aligned genome and found that these inserts are present in all Wuhan 2019-nCoV viruses except the 2019-nCoV virus of Bat as a host. ... Surprisingly, each of the four inserts aligned with short segments of the Human immunodeficiency Virus-1 (HIV-1) proteins.



The insert 1 (6 amino acid residues) and insert 2 (6 amino acid residues) in the spike glycoprotein of 2019-nCoV are 100% identical to the residues mapped to HIV-1 gp120. The insert 3 (12 amino acid residues) in 2019- nCoV maps to HIV-1 gp120 with gaps [see Table 1]. The insert 4 (8 amino acid residues) maps to HIV-1 Gag with gaps.

To our surprise, these sequence insertions were not only absent in S protein of SARS but were also not observed in any other member of the Coronaviridae family (Supplementary figure). This is startling as it is quite unlikely for a virus to have acquired such unique insertions naturally in a short duration of time.

A good recap of the findings was provided by Dr. Feigl-Ding, who started his explanatory thread by pointing out that the transmission rate outside China has surpassed the rate inside China.

A graph is worth a thousand letters. #coronavirus. Source: NYTimes https://t.co/M1K9e6Kgz6 pic.twitter.com/evgM2UHf3U
— Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 31, 2020

2) Whoa- the rate of increase ***outside of China*** is steeper than inside of China or Wuhan! Figure 1A. From: @TheLancet “Nowcasting and forecasting the potential domestic and international spread of 2019-nCoV https://t.co/SwhxWGeoTj”) pic.twitter.com/u1s4SLEzMv



3) “An estimated 75815 individuals have been infected in Wuhan” —> this is substantially higher than current reports or ~10k reports by China ???? media. (75k estimate from above Lancet article)
— Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 31, 2020

4) ...”On the present trajectory, 2019-nCoV could be about to become a global epidemic in the absence of mitigation...substantial, even draconian measures that limit population mobility should be seriously and immediately considered in affected areas...” ??

...

9. BOTTOMLINE: 1) Seafood market not the source. 2) This RNA #coronavirus mutates really fast. 3) ?? has unusual middle segment never seen before in any coronavirus. 4) Not from recent mixing. 5) That mystery middle segment encodes protein responsible for entry into host cells.


— Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 31, 2020






It may be time to jam the exit doors. Not talking about tooth self-extraction, but hunkering down might be a good idea.



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Friday, January 31, 2020 10:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)302
60-9/fulltext


Interpretation
Given that 2019-nCoV is no longer contained within Wuhan, other major Chinese cities are probably sustaining localised outbreaks. Large cities overseas with close transport links to China could also become outbreak epicentres, unless substantial public health interventions at both the population and personal levels are implemented immediately. Independent self-sustaining outbreaks in major cities globally could become inevitable because of substantial exportation of presymptomatic cases and in the absence of large-scale public health interventions. Preparedness plans and mitigation interventions should be readied for quick deployment globally.


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Friday, January 31, 2020 10:31 PM

SIGNYM

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As I read the paper, the "function" of those snippets of genome is "host recognition and binding". In other words, they would make the virus much more infectious (is that the correct word?) i.e. able to grab onto the human host cell more efficiently than a regular corona virus.

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Friday, January 31, 2020 10:56 PM

SIGNYM

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If that's the case, then that might explain the unusually high R-naught that some people seem to be estimating.

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Friday, January 31, 2020 11:13 PM

1KIKI

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That's what I got out of it.

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Saturday, February 1, 2020 12:31 PM

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Let's see if I can recap:

Originally from bats, before 4 new sequences were spliced in.

4 new sequences did not naturally develop.

4 new sequences were intentional, artificially, spliced into the genome.

4 new sequences were sourced from 2 types of HIV.



The original reports stated that something like 14 health workers, or medical staff, had become infected. Could these be folk who worked at the lab which did the splicing, created the novel virus?

2 of the source HIV samples seem to be from India. Does this mean India did the splicing, or is it more likely China did it, where the outbreak started?

Recent reports state that novel Coronovirus has responded to anti-HIV chemicals. Does this mean these chemicals can help to curb or control the novel virus?

Did the creators of this not practice safe containment measures and it broke out of the creating facility, or were the Chinese the target instead of the perpetrator? Or was Wuhan just the testing phase?

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Saturday, February 1, 2020 12:40 PM

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I also understand that the plane full of Americans was chartered. I had hoped it was a service of the U.S. Government.


It sounds like the CDC, or other authority, has directed that these passengers from China be detained, effectively quarantined, for some time, perhaps weeks. This seems extremely reasonable. I am sure those now in quarantine can understand, and are grateful that they are no longer stuck in virus-infected China, and are now merely stuck in sunny SoCal. Seems March Reserve AFB is also in Ontario, CA. The civilian Airport they were originally slated for was also in Ontario. I am not sure if they are the same property, merely civilian and military sides. A reserve Air Force Base sounds like a wonderful location for effective quarantine. Large supply of individual rooms, everybody can remain separated from each other and the public, and the government owns/runs it all, so can modify whatever they want to accomodate needs of the situation.

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Saturday, February 1, 2020 12:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This thread wa started on the evening of 20 Jan 2020.

I recall the news had already been out and updated a few times by that time.

From the stories in the OP, it seems the Sunday before was also referenced.

What is the date that they are considering Day One for their charts and graphs, and how do they define Day One? The first Fatality? The first known case in Human?

What was the best guess for Day 0, and what is the current best guess for Day 0?

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Saturday, February 1, 2020 4:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I heard 5 confirmed cases in USA. Will there be a breakout? also a suspected case landing at Logan direct from China.

I just heard on the news that MA just confirmed it's first case. Some 20-something kid, student of U-Mass, fresh in from Wuhan.

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Saturday, February 1, 2020 4:59 PM

1KIKI

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I am not sure if they are the same property, merely civilian and military sides. (Ontario International Airport / March Air Reserve Base)
Just for clarity, these are not the same property, and not owned by the same entity, and also they're quite some distance from each other, geographically.

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Saturday, February 1, 2020 5:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This thread was started on the evening of 20 Jan 2020.

I recall the news had already been out and updated a few times by that time.

From the stories in the OP, it seems the Sunday before was also referenced.

What is the date that they are considering Day One for their charts and graphs, and how do they define Day One? The first Fatality? The first known case in Human?

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What was the best guess for Day 0, and what is the current best guess for Day 0?

Given the source of the graphic, and the fact that they seem to dig pretty deeply, I'd say that at the time, the best guesstimate for day 0 was the middle of December. And if you look at the name, it's officially tagged as being from 2019: 2019-nCoV (2019 novel coronavirus). But new information indicates the index patient fell ill ~ December 1, 2019.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 12:22 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Why aren't the insertions into the coronavirus in the news?

First of all the article linked below complains that 'mis'information about coronavirus is being scrubbed from social media. Well, as people here should know by now, I'm not on any social media at all because I see no reason to give my privacy away for the dubious benefit of artificially 'connecting' with artificial entities and government propaganda. So when the author complains that social media is scrubbing information it disagrees with in favor of officialdom, narrative, and orthodoxy I do kind of roll my eyes a bit. Who in hell goes to social media for information?

But when the author states that GOOGLE is also being the Ministry of Truth, it's more concerning. So I went to duckduckgo, which is google without the noxious tracking, and typed in 2019-ncov hiv insertions. I got lots of 'conspiracy site' links and one pretty far down the page from bioRxiv. BioRxiv is the preprint server on which the original paper is found. When I clicked on the 'news' subheading, I got zero results. I mean that literally. Google seems to think that there is literally no news about the topic.

So I went to gibiru which is a modified google-type search engine and did another search. I got lots of credible results, the very first one being the bioRxiv link. (btw gibiru doesn't have sub-heads like 'news'. WYSIWYG.)

Getting back to the actual results, as I mentioned, the original paper was found on bioRxiv. And what is bioRxiv? "bioRxiv is an open access preprint repository for the biological sciences co-founded by John Inglis and Richard Sever in November 2013. It is hosted by the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. As preprints, papers hosted on bioRxiv are not peer-reviewed, but undergo basic screening and checked against plagiarism." So this isn't some fly-by-night operation. And here's its link https://www.biorxiv.org/

And how did I originally get to the paper on bioRxiv? Well, ZH has a great reputation for posting links to original sources. And in its original story about this, they posted the link. Here is the link it posted https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf . You can read the paper at your leisure.



So google is scrubbing this from its search engine, and literally results(verb) that there is no news about it.

Even more so, this isn't being covered by the media at all. Searching duckduckgo under individual media names, like abc, nbc, fox, new york times, washington post etc results in zero links.


AND back one more time to the paper, linked above. Is it credible? One person - not a researcher in the field, but a claimed professional with interest - disputes it (for reasons I find unconvincing), writing to what appears to be a prepper blog. But here is the link https://theprepared.com/blog/no-the-2019-ncov-genome-doesnt-actually-s
eem-engineered-from-hiv
/

In any case, here is the article that goes into detail about what information is being scrubbed out of social media and google, (and the news), and scrubbed from your view:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insert
ions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
Quote:

(short quote as an example) Kang-Xing Jin, Facebook’s head of health, wrote:

Our global network of third-party fact-checkers are continuing their work reviewing content and debunking false claims that are spreading related to the coronavirus. When they rate information as false, we limit its spread on Facebook and Instagram and show people accurate information from these partners. We also send notifications to people who already shared or are trying to share this content to alert them that it’s been fact-checked.

We will also start to remove content with false claims or conspiracy theories that have been flagged by leading global health organizations and local health authorities that could cause harm to people who believe them. We are doing this as an extension of our existing policies to remove content that could cause physical harm. We’re focusing on claims that are designed to discourage treatment or taking appropriate precautions. This includes claims related to false cures or prevention methods — like drinking bleach cures the coronavirus — or claims that create confusion about health resources that are available. We will also block or restrict hashtags used to spread misinformation on Instagram, and are conducting proactive sweeps to find and remove as much of this content as we can. (source)






The end result is, while people claim that that kind of media control can't happen here - it already has.




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Sunday, February 2, 2020 1:43 AM

SIGNYM

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I just did a general search (DuvkDuck) for news (last day) on coronavirus and most of the major news networks have not chimed in lately, let alone say anything at all about the insertions.

It's all pretty fluffy stuff about tasteless racist jokes about Coronavirus (I have to admit, one was pretty funny) and such. All of the grim coverage is saved for China.

The lesson that I learned from Fukushima was when they tell you "don't panic" it the time to start worrying. But I think the M$M has learned its lesson since then: "Don't panic" is a signal that some serious shit is happening. Much better to fill the airwaves and websites with happy-news.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 2:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Or maybe they realized that most people are tuning out and it isn't generating any ratings for them anymore.

We're hitting a saturation point with Legacy Media bullshit. One day, there is going to be something serious to report but nobody is going to take it seriously.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 2:49 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Not in this case. Even alternative media like social media is being scrubbed of any mention of the insertions into the virus. Facebook, youtube, instagram, twitter and so forth are actively being scrubbed. Google is actively suppressing results.

The whole idea that you can zombify people by simply not reporting the news was tried first, in my opinion, when protests were 'kettled'. Out of sight, out of mind. It was done on a large scale during Katrina. Even as the crisis was still unfolding, it was simply not being reported. Fukushima is another example.

Maybe I need to focus less on this and more on "what has disappeared from the news / what's not being reported". Perhaps a few dozen examples of MAJOR news that gets quietly erased will help you understand how thoroughly tptb have your information controlled.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:00 AM

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I'm aware of the practice. It makes it all the more easy when everybody's daily lives are oversatured with a ton of worthless information that they could never process or fully research.

Personally, I don't really care about that stuff anymore. I lost some good years of my youth being paranoid about it. 20 years later and the sun still rises.

I got a good 20 years left maybe. I doubt things are going to become disagreeable to me in that time. I'm certainly not going to waste what I have left worrying about a bunch of shit I have no control over. I'm as prepared for the unexpected as I'll ever be right now. I'll let the kids who have to deal with the future worry about things.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:03 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Ok.

I'm just pointing out it's not just legacy media. It's pretty much everything.

ETA: Maybe you think I'm trying to harangue you into CARING. I hope it doesn't come across that way!

I'm pointing out - and not necessarily to you - that this is one very clear example of an EXTREMELY important news item that's being deliberately and nearly completely suppressed across the full spectrum of information sources. Jeeze, there was a whole lot more reporting on far flimsier 'news' items like 'golden showers'!

Do you remember that episodic movie you linked about the kids who found themselves in isolated rooms who had to construct from scratch the rules of their environment ... (that ended up with them probably being the only survivors of global nuclear holocaust)?

I feel that we're being moved into that same information space as that society of total-narrative(bullshit)-realityTV-infotainment 100% of the time, in every direction.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 9:56 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
One day, there is going to be something serious to report but nobody is going to take it seriously.



Like, for instance, Trump taking it up the @ss from Putin. Check.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 10:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
One day, there is going to be something serious to report but nobody is going to take it seriously.



Like, for instance, Trump taking it up the @ss from Putin. Check.

Didn't Rachel Madcow flog this non-story for a few years already? Why are you trying to resurrect this dead horse?

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 10:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Apparently one hospital has been completed and one is still under construction.





The latest figures point to a roughly 2% fatality rate.

One good thing about the virus moving out of China is that we'll get better numbers, because (again, if I believe the Chinese social media) the Wuhan government is so overwhelmed and test kits are so scarce relative to the demand that nobody has any good figures on R-naught and death rate.

But clearly this isn't Ebola, with a 90% death rate.

*****

Yanno, I was wondering ... China just dealt with a "pig Ebola" that caused them to cull 40% of their pigs. Now, they have nocoronavirus which may have HIV-like insertions in it. And most recently, a bird flu. Not the bird-to-human bird flu but a bird flu that is -once again- causing them to cull their flocks. Not that I'm suspicious person or anything but it seems mighty strange that China should be hit with all of these outbreaks all at once.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 11:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
One day, there is going to be something serious to report but nobody is going to take it seriously.



Like, for instance, Trump taking it up the @ss from Putin. Check.



Untrue. Zero legitimate sources. Also deeply homophobic.

Check.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 12:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Ok.

I'm just pointing out it's not just legacy media. It's pretty much everything.



Actually, that guy Styx that I have shown videos of on YouTube is still reporting on this. Every single morning, in fact. But I have not watched any of those videos, other than one yesterday where he did an article about an opinion piece on Wired where they say that we should just let Coronavirus run its course.

You know what I saw there? A LOT of comments from people who were deriding him for giving it so much coverage and wondering if he was cashing in on it. (Which I find to be a hilariously stupid take-away since all of his videos are put on YT without ads by the man himself and he's never made any ad revenue from them).

My take away from that is people just don't want to hear about it. Either because we've heard it all before and we don't care anymore, or people don't want to know how they're going to die. Either way, it's not a popular topic. The shelf life of The Walking Dead TV show was 5 to 7 years before most people lost interest. Coronavirus? 2 weeks, maybe?

None of his videos have been scrubbed from youtube. He's got 15 videos about it in the last two weeks. He's also got over 400k subscribers from all over the world.



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ETA: Maybe you think I'm trying to harangue you into CARING. I hope it doesn't come across that way!

I'm pointing out - and not necessarily to you - that this is one very clear example of an EXTREMELY important news item that's being deliberately and nearly completely suppressed across the full spectrum of information sources. Jeeze, there was a whole lot more reporting on far flimsier 'news' items like 'golden showers'!



I just don't know if I agree on how important it is. It certainly has the potential to be important, but if this is just another thing that is literally going to die out and some people die but most lives don't get effected from it at all, it's really not that important.

2% actually seems quite high as a mortality rate, I'll grant that, but if every single person in the world were to contract it, that would be only 150,000,000 deaths, and that's not even a drop in the bucket to the over population problem in the world. Also, if it's 2% everywhere else on average, mostly in China, it's probably not going to be anywhere near that high in the States. They can talk all day long about how advanced they've become recently as a society since the Clintons sold us out to China, but at the end of the day they're still very much behind us in many respects, most notably in their political ideologies that put a zero dollar price tag on the value of a citizen's life.

Quote:

Do you remember that episodic movie you linked about the kids who found themselves in isolated rooms who had to construct from scratch the rules of their environment ... (that ended up with them probably being the only survivors of global nuclear holocaust)?


Yeah. The Vault. I have a vague recollection of that night posting the episodes as I was watching them. I'm surprised anybody else watched it.

Quote:

I feel that we're being moved into that same information space as that society of total-narrative(bullshit)-realityTV-infotainment 100% of the time, in every direction.



Yeah. We probably are.

I don't mean to sound all Zen about it, and I certainly don't want to come off as a Pod Person and have you asking "Who are you, and what have you done with Jack!!!???", but there probably are instances where this isn't the worst thing in the world.

Orson Welles put on a radio show on Halloween many ages back and had people literally walking out in the streets, cooking pots on their heads for makeshift helmets, toting shotguns, looking to shoot down the aliens that were invading us.



I'm unaware of the "scrubbing" you're talking about, since I know full well there are 15 videos from one of the guys I watch that go in depth about the new numbers as they come out. But if that is happening, I don't agree at all with people making that choice.

But at the same time, there is possibly a media restraint that we haven't seen for a long time that should actually be applauded here. If, for instance, Rachel Maddow were to make as big a deal out of this as the Russiagate Lie so she could make her $7 Million a year while selling boner pills and car insurance, or if Sean Hannity were to already inflate his super high ratings at the top of the Cable News Sham and make millions more off of this, we could find ourselves in a situation where nothing is actually wrong, but the infrastructure is getting strained in ways that it's not designed to handle.

Imagine millions of people freaking out, thinking that the apocalypse is coming. Getting their vans ready for their third trip to the grocery store to stock up for friends and family after they already cleaned out the discount warehouses over the weekend.

Now some normal "sane" schmuck like me who isn't going crazy decides it's time to go buy groceries for the week and has to travel to three separate grocery stores to even get enough food because they've been wiped out by lunatics who were driven crazy by the media.



I'm not saying that it shouldn't be covered. I'm just applauding the conscious decision to not sensationalize this for a buck is all. And make no mistake... somebody, somewhere made that very conscious decision. Somebody, likely multiple somebodies, with a lot of power and influence.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 2:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, obviously I disagree. The insertions into the coronavirus - that appear entirely unnatural, and designed to maximize infectivity (transmission) - are a big story. They tell us something unique and disturbing about the virus itself. They also tell us something important about the world we live in, and the things that are being done in secret. And they tell us about our government and its response to coronavirus, which is to employ just as much secrecy as the Chinese.

And the fact that the Chinese are building a second 'instant' coronavirus hospital should also tell us something disturbing about the virus, btw.

You know, should tshtf there will for sure be panic here in the US, no matter how much secrecy was employed, or how much anodyne was spread around ahead of time.

And there will be far more than inconvenience at the grocery store as the medical system is overwhelmed.

I can't see how less information improves people's lives, though I can see how it makes things easier for the government.




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Sunday, February 2, 2020 2:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Yanno, I was wondering ... China just dealt with a "pig Ebola" that caused them to cull 40% of their pigs. Now, they have nocoronavirus which may have HIV-like insertions in it. And most recently, a bird flu. Not the bird-to-human bird flu but a bird flu that is -once again- causing them to cull their flocks. Not that I'm suspicious person or anything but it seems mighty strange that China should be hit with all of these outbreaks all at once.
Well, we too have been hit with serious outbreaks. I think it was 3 years ago? where bird flu went through our agricultural areas in time to hit the Thanksgiving-day turkey growers. (Other birds were seriously affected, but the timing of the turkey-raising is sensitive.) The thought at the time was that it had been brought in by wild ducks? geese? I don't remember which at this point.

I think the fact that our pork supplies haven't been affected is because they're housed indoors, in mega-facilities eta: without a lot of contact with other populations of pigs.. (And as I've read, the fact that they have such low trichinosis rates is because they're now being fed a vegetarian diet, instead of scavenging outdoors or being fed meat.)

And the current coronavirus I personally would trace to the BSL4 lab outside of Wuhan.

Anyway - it's an interesting idea, but given their agricultural practices, it could be entirely coincidental. Goes into my Signy-named bin interesting if true.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 2:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, obviously I disagree. The insertions into the coronavirus - that appear entirely unnatural, and designed to maximize infectivity (transmission) - are a big story. They tell us something unique and disturbing about the virus itself. They also tell us something important about the world we live in, and the things that are being done in secret. And they tell us about our government and its response to coronavirus, which is to employ just as much secrecy as the Chinese.

And the fact that the Chinese are building a second 'instant' coronavirus hospital should also tell us something disturbing about the virus, btw.

You know, should tshtf there will for sure be panic here in the US, no matter how much secrecy was employed, or how much anodyne was spread around ahead of time.

And there will be far more than inconvenience at the grocery store as the medical system is overwhelmed.

I can't see how less information improves people's lives, though I can see how it makes things easier for the government.







Well... It's because news isn't news anymore. It's entertainment. It's a business. That's been suspect for quite a while now, but they've made it abundantly clear in the last three years and they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

This virus is a joke. Nothing is going to happen. You're going to be alright.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:23 PM

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Folk are not even allowed to take appropriate precautions.
Unless you believe your government has a clue what proper precautions are for this outbreak.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/american-airlines-gas-mask-passenger-coronav
irus-200024805.html

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, obviously I disagree. The insertions into the coronavirus - that appear entirely unnatural, and designed to maximize infectivity (transmission) - are a big story. They tell us something unique and disturbing about the virus itself. They also tell us something important about the world we live in, and the things that are being done in secret. And they tell us about our government and its response to coronavirus, which is to employ just as much secrecy as the Chinese.

And the fact that the Chinese are building a second 'instant' coronavirus hospital should also tell us something disturbing about the virus, btw.

You know, should tshtf there will for sure be panic here in the US, no matter how much secrecy was employed, or how much anodyne was spread around ahead of time.

And there will be far more than inconvenience at the grocery store as the medical system is overwhelmed.

I can't see how less information improves people's lives, though I can see how it makes things easier for the government.

I think that several times here I have posted about censorship in our media, libraries - the background censorship, the liberals deleting the reasonable and sensible information.

Each time it seemed a dud. Nobody seemed to care. Or maybe I didn't frame it right.

You were probably busy, at work and all.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, obviously I disagree. The insertions into the coronavirus - that appear entirely unnatural, and designed to maximize infectivity (transmission) - are a big story. They tell us something unique and disturbing about the virus itself. They also tell us something important about the world we live in, and the things that are being done in secret. And they tell us about our government and its response to coronavirus, which is to employ just as much secrecy as the Chinese.

And the fact that the Chinese are building a second 'instant' coronavirus hospital should also tell us something disturbing about the virus, btw.

You know, should tshtf there will for sure be panic here in the US, no matter how much secrecy was employed, or how much anodyne was spread around ahead of time.

And there will be far more than inconvenience at the grocery store as the medical system is overwhelmed.

I can't see how less information improves people's lives, though I can see how it makes things easier for the government.

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I think that several times here I have posted about censorship in our media, libraries - the background censorship, the liberals deleting the reasonable and sensible information.

Each time it seemed a dud. Nobody seemed to care. Or maybe I didn't frame it right.

You were probably busy, at work and all.

Probably, because the censorship has been something I've been harping on for quite some time as well. That and the gullibility of a lot of people, who seem to have their minds erased so they develop no mental history of what has come before.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, obviously I disagree. The insertions into the coronavirus - that appear entirely unnatural, and designed to maximize infectivity (transmission) - are a big story. They tell us something unique and disturbing about the virus itself. They also tell us something important about the world we live in, and the things that are being done in secret. And they tell us about our government and its response to coronavirus, which is to employ just as much secrecy as the Chinese.

And the fact that the Chinese are building a second 'instant' coronavirus hospital should also tell us something disturbing about the virus, btw.

You know, should tshtf there will for sure be panic here in the US, no matter how much secrecy was employed, or how much anodyne was spread around ahead of time.

And there will be far more than inconvenience at the grocery store as the medical system is overwhelmed.

I can't see how less information improves people's lives, though I can see how it makes things easier for the government.




Do you think it is mostly American based sourced which are being scrubbed? Are there some countries which do not rely upon google to think which are not scrubbing? Are other languages being left un-scrubbed? Some nations/languages might only have a dozen internet accesses, so what would be the purpose of scrubbing those?

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 4:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Do you think it is mostly American based sourced which are being scrubbed? Are there some countries which do not rely upon google to think which are not scrubbing? Are other languages being left un-scrubbed? Some nations/languages might only have a dozen internet accesses, so what would be the purpose of scrubbing those?

I used several different search engines but didn't find any major news sources listed.

I went to the German online version of Der Spiegle, and the French online versions of Paris Match and AFP and didn't find anything. Didn't find anything in the English online version of Xinhua. The English online version of Al Jazeera has a lot of news about coronavirus, but they only mention that ZH was banned from twitter, that's as close as anyone gets to the topic of insertions.

So - not finding it in those places, either.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 4:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... It's because news isn't news anymore. It's entertainment. It's a business. That's been suspect for quite a while now, but they've made it abundantly clear in the last three years and they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

This virus is a joke. Nothing is going to happen. You're going to be alright.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yanno, I've been posting for quite some time that 'it all depends'. What are the virus characteristics? How does it mutate? What precautionary measures are, or aren't, being taken?

But in no case do I see censorship as helpful to anyone but tptb.

As for * me * being all right, or anyone in the family - you can't guarantee that, can you? So why are you spouting bs? And if it does get going here in the US (notice I've been saying IF the whole time), medical facilities are going to be overwhelmed. Commerce will be crippled. Supply chains will break down. Even if you don't catch the virus, or catch it but remain relatively unscathed, you will be affected.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 5:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, this is a topic of interest to me, and I tried to find any reasonable contemporaneous numbers over time for coronavirus infections in Wuhan city the capital of the province of Hubei, the numbers of coronavirus infections in Hubei province, and the numbers of coronavirus infections in the rest of China, to get an idea of the gradient, so to speak. After a slow start, China has taken extreme measures to prevent its spread, including having people self-quarantine, and quarantining cities, and quarantining entire areas. I'd be interested in tracking this, just to see what slows it down, and what doesn't. Every new index patient in an previously uninvolved area is an opportunity to see what happens. But damn, those numbers are impossible to come by on the internet, though I guarantee they exist in facilities all over the world.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 5:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I dunno Kiki. Youtube LOVES censoring stuff. Maybe you need to broaden your news sources to find what you're looking for.




































Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 5:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Bullshit, Jack. Just stop. Stop being an ass, just because you can't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

Or better yet - LOOK AT ALL THE SEARCHES AND ALL THE SOURCES I'VE GONE TO THAT HAVE MILLIONS OF VIEWS EVERY DAY AND FOUND NOTHING. LITERALLY NOTHING.

Or are facts too much for you? Again.

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 5:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Bullshit, Jack. Just stop. Stop being an ass, just because you can't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

Or better yet - LOOK AT ALL THE SEARCHES AND ALL THE SOURCES I'VE GONE TO THAT HAVE MILLIONS OF VIEWS EVERY DAY AND FOUND NOTHING. LITERALLY NOTHING.

Or are facts too much for you? Again.




Styx has over 400,000 subscribers, and by many metrics he has more views than a lot of talking heads on Cable Fake News Networks. He also has a large audience in the EU as well as other places such as Brazil and Venesuela and is on many other platforms outside of YouTube in the eventuality that YouTube removes him and censors him.


Tim Pool is afraid of YouTube and has suspiciously stopped reporting on the Coronavirus. He is beholden to them for the ad revenue. Styx isn't either, and he puts out at least one video about it with updates every single day.

He's not pulling this information out of his ass. He never does that. So he's getting it from somewhere. You're looking in the wrong places.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 5:37 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Bullshit, Jack. Just stop. Stop being an ass, just because you can't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

Or better yet - LOOK AT ALL THE SEARCHES AND ALL THE SOURCES I'VE GONE TO THAT HAVE MILLIONS OF VIEWS EVERY DAY AND FOUND NOTHING. LITERALLY NOTHING.

Or are facts too much for you? Again.



Just did a Google search for nothing more than "Coronavirus" without quotes.

Tons of stuff shown.

Top three results:

2 hours ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html

8 minutes ago: https://www.kcra.com/article/second-case-coronavirus-confirmed-in-sant
a-clara-county-cdc-says/30743112


14 minutes ago: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/south-bay/second-case-of-coronav
irus-in-bay-area-confirmed/2225499
/



Maybe you've got some CIA spooks messing with your IP address or something. I honestly don't have a freaking clue what you're talking about when you say it's being scrubbed from the internet. A simple one word search on google showed me three results from the last two hours. Two of them in the last 15 minutes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 2, 2020 6:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Jack - THAT WASN'T WHAT I POSTED ABOUT. So just stop being an asshole.

I POSTED ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS INSERTIONS.

Jeeze. Get a grip. Or at least a clue.

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