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So you went out yesterday, went all over the place as if you were trying to spread the virus or catch it, you had your whiny excuses ...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I only shop for groceries or go out for necessities (like, to the pharmacy or to mail some random bill payments) and I only do that once a week. I no longer do our usual weekly restaurant thing with dear daughter, which is a shame because it's to help her socialize, but also stopped her participation in a gym program - another shame, as it was also to help her learn how to socialize without mom or dad present. I'm not running out every day to pick up something I forgot the day before. I use a mask, which not only protects ME, it actually does a better job of protecting EVERYONE ELSE. I have given a few masks to pharmacy clerks.

When you've stayed at home for a whole week or two, then you can tell me about it. Otherwise #SHUTTHEFUCKUP

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I've worked at home for the last 10 years - so yeah, let me tell YOU all about it... Gawd, what a dunce.

So you went out yesterday, went all over the place as if you were trying to spread the virus or catch it, you had your whiny excuses, BUT TODAY, right after your gov shuts all of California down and tells you something that was great advice a week ago, to stay home, and overnight you are preaching about what you couldn't listen to the day before. Just own it. You couldn't take someone else's advice until you had no choice and now you want to act like you were an early champion of the idea.

Are you sure you aren't a professional clown, because you sure do make me laugh.

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Jack's new FAN

Damn! Peoples was everywhere! But they looked okay to me, and since infected people have a red light over their heads I knew I was okay... derrrrrrrrrr....

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Something I NEVER posted because Jack's new FAN is a lying asshole.

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Did I quote you as having said that? You really have cracked haven't you?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yep, one lying asshole posting in support of another.

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You did see me calling Jack out as well, right? So, not supporting..., right?

You always were a twitchy one.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, you insinuated that KIKI was in favor of government control over everything, which I know for a fact is not true. Climb down from that holier-than-thou perch and admit that you were wrong.

And JSF is a dunce when it comes to biology. He posted about some non-existent "correlation" between "something" and "something else" in his argument that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, and has not been able to back it up with anything. Not a citation or even a cogent explanation. It's at the bottom of his giant hole of ignorance about the topic.

You both sound like flat-earthers to me when it comes to AIDS/HIV, and you both sound like you're in denial about COVID-19. Don't you think it's about time you got over your childhood trauma and your collective ignorance/ideological bent on the topic and maybe learn something?

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JACKSHIT
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yep. JACKSHIT making up FAKE NEWS ... AGAIN.

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Lower my voice?


JACKSHIT IS A LYING ASSHOLE.

Fuck you !

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ummmmm....

Exactly what am I afraid of right now? lol


I appreciate the "help" here, Sigs, but from anybody on the outside looking in right now I'm pretty sure it's going to look like Kiki is the one who's panicking right now.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SIX, your brain broke. I'm not trying to help you, I'm trying to help KIKI not be like you.

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The death toll from an outbreak of coronavirus in Italy has leapt by 627 to 4,032, officials said on Friday, an increase of 18.4% - by far the largest daily rise in absolute terms since the contagion emerged a month ago.

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99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

The new study could provide insight into why Italy’s death rate, at about 8% of total infected people, is higher than in other countries.

The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.

More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.

The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.

While data released Tuesday point to a slowdown in the increase of cases, with a 12.6% rise, a separate study shows Italy could be underestimating the real number of cases by testing only patients presenting symptoms.

According to the GIMBE Foundation, about 100,000 Italians have contracted the virus, daily Il Sole 24 Ore reported. That would bring back the country’s death rate closer to the global average of about 2%.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I predict 20,000 in 3 days from now - March 21 - but really short days! Like /just after midnight on March 21/ days.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yep, what you've been saying all along: I'm young, my risk factors are low, so fuck the old people.

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Violence has been the sire of all the world’s values,” wrote poet Robinson Jeffers in 1940. “What but the wolf’s tooth whittled so fine the fleet limbs of the antelope? What but fear winged the birds, and hunger jeweled with such eyes the great goshawk’s head?”

We’ve taken these metaphors for evolution to heart, reading them to mean that life is a race to kill or be killed. “Darwinian” stands in for “cutthroat,” “survival of the fittest” signifies survival of the ruthless. We see selective pressures that hone each organism for success and drive genetic innovation as the natural order of things.

Two Models of Evolution: The early interpretation of Darwinian evolution as life-or-death contest is being complemented by an understanding of the importance of cooperation. Photo by Martin Harvey / Auscape / Getty Images.

But we know now that that picture is incomplete. Evolutionary progress can be propelled both by the competitive struggle to adapt to an environment, and by the relaxation of selective forces. When natural selection on an organism is relaxed, the creative powers of mutation can be unshackled and evolution accelerated. The relief of an easier life can inspire new biological forms just as powerfully as the threat of death.

One of the best ways to relax selective forces is to work together, something that mathematical biologist Martin Nowak has called the “snuggle for survival.” New research has only deepened and broadened the importance of cooperation and lifting of selective pressures. It’s a big, snuggly world out there.

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So you went out yesterday, went all over the place as if you were trying to spread the virus or catch it, you had your whiny excuses ...

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You OBVIOUSLY haven't read one single bit of the news - either that or you're a professional propagandist, sorry, PR flack.

Do you know what's allowed under Newsom's orders?

I'll wait.

HINT - I posted it in this thread.

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Not only that, but I was limiting our trips outside the home THREE WEEKS before the "shelter-in-place" order was issued. And I was using a mask then, too.

Oh, yeah ... don't bother to deny that one. I'll bet YOU were going "all over the place" the past three weeks. Bare-faced, too, I'll bet!

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#ISHOULDHAVESTAYEDTHEFUCKHOME

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I hate to tell you this SIX but evolutionarily-speaking, stong asocial males like you are trash-heap material. Unless you foster the next generation, you're useless to the species.

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Were those masks you're so proud to say you were wearing the same ones that wouldn't protect you from the virus? Were they the same ones you even said were dangerous because they only made people feel safe?
OR were they the ones that hospitals are running out of now? The ones we were told - like were told to isolate and act like we have the virus - that we shouldn't try and buy so our health care providers can have them?

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SIGNYM: Not only that, but I was limiting our trips outside the home THREE WEEKS before the "shelter-in-place" order was issued. And I was using a mask then, too.

Oh, yeah ... don't bother to deny that one. I'll bet YOU were going "all over the place" the past three weeks. Bare-faced, too, I'll bet!

CC: Were those masks you're so proud to say you were wearing the same ones that wouldn't protect you from the virus? Were they the same ones you even said were dangerous because they only made people feel safe?
OR were they the ones that hospitals are running out of now? The ones we were told - like were told to isolate and act like we have the virus - that we shouldn't try and buy so our health care providers can have them?

You do a better job of making yourself look like a selfish moron than anyone else can.

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SIGNYM:I hate to tell you this SIX but evolutionarily-speaking, stong asocial males like you are trash-heap material. Unless you foster the next generation, you're useless to the species.

SIX: OL. Okay Wishy. Nice way of saying incel. You must have been loading up on Omega3's because you certainly have a much more intelligent way of saying things than you used to.

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SIX: Have I ever once came off to you like a person that gives a shit about fostering a single person, let alone an entire generation?

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SIX: At the end of the day, right here, I'm the only person who's trying to tell people not to panic and the sky isn't falling.

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SIX:You can start being a bitch now too if you'd like. I'll be happy to start sending it right back your way as well if the behavior persists.

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I predict 20,000 in 3 days from now - March 21 - but really short days! Like /just after midnight on March 21/ days.

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Not quite just after midnight. But we'll comfortably blow past 20,000 by the end of the morning.

Next challenge ... something difficult ... when do we hit a half-million? Hmmm ... how about March 20 + ~23 days ... April 14, 2020 if things keep on track. But if all the actions taken by various governments works out, that would change my calculation.

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https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-21-20-
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Health officials in New York City and Los Angeles County are signaling a change in local strategy when it comes to coronavirus testing, recommending that doctors avoid testing patients except in cases where a test result would significantly change the course of treatment.

A news release from the Los Angeles Department of Public Health this week advised doctors not to test those experiencing only mild respiratory symptoms unless “a diagnostic result will change clinical management or inform public health response.”

The recommendation reflects a "shifting from a strategy of case containment to slowing disease transmission and averting excess morbidity and mortality," according to the statement.

The guidance said coronavirus testing at L.A. County public health labs will prioritized those with symptoms, health care workers, residents of long-term care facilities, paramedics and other high-risk situations. Others are encouraged to simply stay at home.

At about the same time, the New York City Department of Health directed all healthcare facilities to immediately stop testing non-hospitalized patients for Covid-19.

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And YOU do a better job of making yourself look like a troll than anyone else can ... maybe because you've always been one.

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SIGNYM:I hate to tell you this SIX but evolutionarily-speaking, stong asocial males like you are trash-heap material. Unless you foster the next generation, you're useless to the species.

SIX: OL. Okay Wishy. Nice way of saying incel. You must have been loading up on Omega3's because you certainly have a much more intelligent way of saying things than you used to.

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You can foster the next generation by more than fathering a child, yanno. Warriors, monks, hunters ... people who devoted themselves to others without having children themselves were significant evolutionarily.

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But Matteo Bassetti of Italy's prestigious San Martino clinic in Genoa said the government probably had no idea how many people really had the new disease.

"There are so many people walking around who have the virus and who are at risk of infecting others," Bassetti told Italy's AGI news agency.

"The 40,000 cases we are talking about (in Italy) could actually be 100 times higher."

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Unlike people who have immediately gone from viewing the government by its own nature as an enemy of the people to their savior when they get panicked, just like our Forefathers warned us against, I will never, EVER waver on that issue.

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https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-21-20-
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Health officials in New York City and Los Angeles County are signaling a change in local strategy when it comes to coronavirus testing, recommending that doctors avoid testing patients except in cases where a test result would significantly change the course of treatment.

A news release from the Los Angeles Department of Public Health this week advised doctors not to test those experiencing only mild respiratory symptoms unless “a diagnostic result will change clinical management or inform public health response.”

The recommendation reflects a "shifting from a strategy of case containment to slowing disease transmission and averting excess morbidity and mortality," according to the statement.

The guidance said coronavirus testing at L.A. County public health labs will prioritized those with symptoms, health care workers, residents of long-term care facilities, paramedics and other high-risk situations. Others are encouraged to simply stay at home.

At about the same time, the New York City Department of Health directed all healthcare facilities to immediately stop testing non-hospitalized patients for Covid-19.

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Unlike people who have immediately gone from viewing the government by its own nature as an enemy of the people to their savior when they get panicked, just like our Forefathers warned us against, I will never, EVER waver on that issue.

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And that means that you're ideologically-possessed.

I'm not one to say that government is ALWAYS the solution. OTOH I wouldn't say that government is NEVER the solution either. That's the difference between you and me: You don't allow reality to intrude on your ideology, which is pretty much what I've been saying all along. That, and you're pretty self-centered.

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https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-21-20-
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Health officials in New York City and Los Angeles County are signaling a change in local strategy when it comes to coronavirus testing, recommending that doctors avoid testing patients except in cases where a test result would significantly change the course of treatment.

A news release from the Los Angeles Department of Public Health this week advised doctors not to test those experiencing only mild respiratory symptoms unless “a diagnostic result will change clinical management or inform public health response.”

The recommendation reflects a "shifting from a strategy of case containment to slowing disease transmission and averting excess morbidity and mortality," according to the statement.

The guidance said coronavirus testing at L.A. County public health labs will prioritized those with symptoms, health care workers, residents of long-term care facilities, paramedics and other high-risk situations. Others are encouraged to simply stay at home.

At about the same time, the New York City Department of Health directed all healthcare facilities to immediately stop testing non-hospitalized patients for Covid-19.

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I've been thinking about this.

First of all, it means the testing capacity is so FUBARed they've given up even trying to test in a high demand situation.

And it looks like NYC Health has pretty much written off the entire city ... unless they're now issuing blanket quarantine orders for anything that looks like COVID-19. They're not even trying to isolate cases, or even count numbers as they go in and out of medical offices, clinics, and ERs.

And what specifically is LACounty doing?

And, as usual, important specifics got left out! If someone presents with something that looks like COVID-19, are they still recommending quarantine at home even if it's unconfirmed? And quarantine of family members from the sick person in the same home? Or have they written communities and families off along with quarantines? If so, was it because experience was showing them that people weren't, or couldn't, stick to quarantines due to asocial responses, mingy apartments, and lack of helpful family and/ or neighbors?


LACounty is going with quarantining unconfirmed COVID-19 patients.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-20/coronavirus-county
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As I read this, lack of confirming test results were an obstacle to quarantining patients. They've decided to both stop testing AND simultaneously not base quarantine orders on test results. Instead, they're ordering quarantines based on 'clinical' diagnosis only.

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WTF do you think is going on?

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SIX: Unlike people who have immediately gone from viewing the government by its own nature as an enemy of the people to their savior when they get panicked, just like our Forefathers warned us against, I will never, EVER waver on that issue.

SIGNYM: And that means that you're ideologically-possessed.
I'm not one to say that government is ALWAYS the solution. OTOH I wouldn't say that government is NEVER the solution either. That's the difference between you and me: You don't allow reality to intrude on your ideology, which is pretty much what I've been saying all along. That, and you're pretty self-centered.
#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

SIX: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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How can the testing situation become so incredibly FUBARED? Is it overwhelming demand? Inability to prioritize testing? Kits that don't work? Desire NOT to see the results? Concern that the testing situation is mixing the worried well with the truly sick?

Isn't it a little late to wait until someone is hospitalized until they're tested? If they have Covid-19, shouldn't they be put into a negative pressure isolation unit immediately??

WTF do you think is going on?


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There's a lot here in this article, I can't possibly sum it up. One place where the author and I agree is that we need MORE TESTING. Also, MANDATORY centralized reporting.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-evidence-over-hysteria

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