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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:02 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:56 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Wednesday, April 8, 2020 8:01 PM
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1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: In the meantime, while some people are chasing the ever-elusive "forsythia" (If you've seen "Contagion" you know what I mean) people are being treated with the plasma of recovered Covid-19 patients. (Too many links, so I'll just go with the government's choice) So there may be some incentive for various health organizations to expand serological testing, not just to answer the burning questions "How many people have been infected?" and "Are we close to herd immunity yet?" but also to look for donors. Maybe the bait will be ... "Do you want a test? Then you have to sign up to be a donor". https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/investigational-new-drug-ind-or-device-exemption-ide-process-cber/recommendations-investigational-covid-19-convalescent-plasma ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Wednesday, April 8, 2020 8:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I heard about, but have not been able to find a follow-up article on the fact that the UK's NHS deemed the serological test kits to be not acccurate enough, and won't distribute them. I don't know if the problem is poor sensitivity or lack of specificity. There is ANOTHER serological finger-stick test for Covid-19 antibodies which the company (falsely) claimed was approved by the FDA (BodySphere) https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-test-false-fda-authorization/index.html As far as I can tell, the only serological test approved by the FDA by Cellex https://www.medtechdive.com/news/fda-authorizes-cellex-coronavirus-antibodies-test/575451/ is for in-office and in-laboratory testing. So, no five-minute or two-minute or in-home test yet, altho I'm sure one will be developed at some point (It's a tried-and-true approach) ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Quote:The test, however, "should not be used as the sole basis for diagnosis and can only aid in the diagnosis of patients in conjunction with a medical review of symptoms and results of other laboratory tests," FDA said in its authorization letter to ?Cellex, a Research Triangle Park, North Carolina-based firm behind the test.
Wednesday, April 8, 2020 8:56 PM
Quote: Using blue shop towels in homemade face masks can filter particles 2x to 3x better than cotton, 3 clothing designers discover after testing dozens of fabrics ..."We spent a few days researching and brainstorming any material that could filter: coffee filters, batting, window shades, Swiffer, interfacing, etc., all the way to more technical materials that are available to specialized industrial sectors like aviation, oil refinery, medical fields," Schempf said. They bought a $1,400 particulate-counter device from Grainger that measures filtration ability down to 0.3 microns and spent another 10 sleepless days testing all the fabrics they could find. They wanted a material they could buy as easily as cotton but that balanced filtration with breathability — they discovered that HEPA vacuum-cleaner bags, for instance, had great filtration but were too suffocating to wear. The ideal material turned out to be stretchy blue shop towels made from a polyester hydro knit. Inserting two of these towels into an ordinary cotton mask brought filtration up to 93% of particles as small as 0.3 microns, the smallest their machine could test. Meanwhile, the cotton masks filtered 60% of particles at best in their tests, Schempf said. Polyester hydro knit towels are readily available at hardware and automotive stores. The two brands they tested were ToolBox's shop towel and ZEP's industrial blue towel. Interestingly, Scott's pro shop towels, which are also made with a hydro knit fabric, didn't work as well, Schempf said.
Wednesday, April 8, 2020 9:37 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SIX, you're irrational. SOME things trump (ahem!) your so-called Constitutional rights. When various epidemics and pandemics swept the world, it required that people change their behavior. To curb the TB epidemics that would sweep thru early USA, people had to give up their right to spit on the sidewalk and their right to share drinking glasses. People with TB were quarantined. Nobody has a "god-given" right to spit in the village drinking well. Reality: It is as it is. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Wednesday, April 8, 2020 10:51 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Hey KIKI, the whole thing is interesting but at 17:14 he starts a discussion of a paper in the South China Morning Post (SCMP) describing a study of 174 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and then tested for antibody titers. The authors found that about 30% of the recovered patients (mostly young) had antibody titers too low to be considered protective. #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Quote:Proud Uncle Cliff @cliffsatton RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 03:08AM Michelle Wille @DuckSwabber RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 03:07AM Jose A. @jacmbrd RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 03:03AM ???????????? @baby_mead0ws alarmism really is driving a high price nowadays! 03:02AM n @hijodeprada RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 03:02AM Peter Williams @peter_c_william RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 03:01AM eleanorina @_eleanorina RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 03:01AM ???????????? @baby_mead0ws RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 03:01AM Andrew Riddle @AndrewRiddle36 And we don't even know that you can expect to only get COVID-19 once. We know that SARS antibodies were mostly gone 3 years on, and this preprint found 30% of COVID-19 patients had big reductions in antibodies 3 *months* on. https://t.co/kfDrVyyHRt 03:00AM Epidemiology+Virology Experts. Fighting COVID-19 @EpiD18329833 RT @AdamJKucharski: Interesting preliminary data on neutralising antibody responses in recovered COVID-19 patients. Seems there can be a wi… 03:00AM ?????????????????? ????????????, ?????? ???? ???? @preopticarea RT @aetiology: @ChelseaClinton @ChuckWendig @DoctorYasmin The person you tweeted earlier has a lot of fans but often is out of his depth. S… 02:58AM Janet Kay?????? @tinyboo49 RT @aetiology: @ChelseaClinton @ChuckWendig @DoctorYasmin The person you tweeted earlier has a lot of fans but often is out of his depth. S… 02:58AM Eric @EtonnantNon4456 RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:58AM ?? Michael C?????????????????¸. Bazaco ?? @MCBazacoPhD RT @aetiology: @ChelseaClinton @ChuckWendig @DoctorYasmin The person you tweeted earlier has a lot of fans but often is out of his depth. S… 02:57AM Eric @EtonnantNon4456 RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:57AM ?? @luckypara RT @miyatamitsuru: ??????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? https://t.co/EyhqYnV6OP 02:57AM Diane Beebe @justpinchme RT @aetiology: @ChelseaClinton @ChuckWendig @DoctorYasmin The person you tweeted earlier has a lot of fans but often is out of his depth. S… 02:55AM babycoco @babycoco_tw RT @r_trainer: @influenzer3 ??????????????? https://t.co/mvpEkcR6kZ https://t.co/j2mmrNRaJz ???·??????????????(????)?????????? ???????????… 02:55AM Dr. Tara C. Smith @aetiology @ChelseaClinton @ChuckWendig @DoctorYasmin The person you tweeted earlier has a lot of fans but often is out of his depth. See eg his misunderstanding earlier of antibody studies that had to be corrected by an expert in the area. https://t.co/kl8QMRafK5 02:53AM Abigail Powell @crabbyabz RT @profshanecrotty: Important pre-print. First broad sero-survey of COVID19 patients. The data are great. I disagree with the focus. 94% o… 02:53AM Michael Dow @docmike8 RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:51AM noisediver @noisediver RT @AndyBiotech: #COVID19 Lots of scary headlines today on this story of "30% recovered patients had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies"… 02:50AM sandstorm @freesandstorm RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:49AM ????? @kocco9 RT @RawheaD: ??????????? 02:48AM Can Sar @cansar RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:45AM hbd chick - test & trace, masks for all! @hbdchick RT @razibkhan: Neutralizing antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2 in a COVID-19 recovered patient cohort and their implications https://t.co/9uu… 02:41AM Minou @Minou800 RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:41AM hbd chick - test & trace, masks for all! @hbdchick RT @razibkhan: ppl who know this stuff seem to be skeptical of the non-antibodies preprint.... https://t.co/gr3Xo4Qia9 02:40AM Atlas @urmonotheismus RT @profshanecrotty: Important pre-print. First broad sero-survey of COVID19 patients. The data are great. I disagree with the focus. 94% o… 02:40AM Lienka @Lienka8 RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:39AM hbd chick - test & trace, masks for all! @hbdchick RT @profshanecrotty: Important pre-print. First broad sero-survey of COVID19 patients. The data are great. I disagree with the focus. 94% o… 02:39AM Christopher Darby @PlatypusTooth RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:37AM Chase @Nitro766 RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:36AM NGR @NGR69575822 RT @thelonevirologi: Neutralizing antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2 in a COVID-19 recovered patient cohort and their implications https://t… 02:35AM Jasnah Kholin @wanderer_jasnah RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:34AM Joshua Weitz @joshuasweitz RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:33AM Ben Is an Isolated Rachinger @BenSRachinger RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:32AM buki. @BukiWilliams RT @Laurie_Garrett: The Chinese study adds fuel to debate over the role of neutralizing antibodies in fighting #SARSCoV2 infection. If peop… 02:32AM Stephen Goldstein @stgoldst RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:31AM Linda @wordfinga RT @DrAsifQasim: @Uqayyum123 @hvanspall Also this - early study - suggests low Ab levels in many recovered patients - raises likely risk of… 02:31AM Jan Soroczynski @Jan_Soro RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:31AM HEM/ONC IS DISTANCE SOCIALIZING @hemofelo This interplay between cellular and humoral immune responses might have implications for vaccine development. It is extremely important to measure NAb titers prior to using plasma as treatment. #COVID?19 https://t.co/0LO3vVJDoJ 02:30AM David Morales-Vicente @melancronico RT @profshanecrotty: Important pre-print. First broad sero-survey of COVID19 patients. The data are great. I disagree with the focus. 94% o… 02:30AM ?? ?(Kei Omachi) @SgtKoma RT @RawheaD: ??????????? 02:30AM ?? ?(Kei Omachi) @SgtKoma RT @RawheaD: @MayumiNarako ???????????? https://t.co/uxGrEDcZGE 02:29AM B. De Campo @beldecam RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:28AM v. @Larkcittia RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:28AM mrhobbeys @mrhobbeys Having it makes your more susceptible to getting it? https://t.co/f5zpZOe3U0 02:28AM Kurohitsuji?????????????????? @AkiyamaSheep RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:27AM Boback Ziaeian ??????? @boback RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:26AM Raj Mehta, MD @raj_mehta RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:26AM Ed Mason @_EdwardMason RT @AndyBiotech: #COVID19 Lots of scary headlines today on this story of "30% recovered patients had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies"… 02:24AM Alex "Flatten the Curve" Merz @Merz Another day, another twitter trashfire from Feigl-Ding. 02:23AM @HEAVENLYGENIUS @GeniusHeavenly RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:22AM Maria G. Trivieri @mgtrivieri RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:22AM ??@????? @1129Suga RT @Noboru_Hagino: ???? NAb?????????? ??????????????? https://t.co/X3JDeJDcze 02:20AM Raj Mehta, MD @raj_mehta RT @AndyBiotech: #COVID19 Lots of scary headlines today on this story of "30% recovered patients had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies"… 02:20AM Dylan Morris @dylanhmorris At least in my corner of twitter, today was alarmist fake immunology day (after many anti-alarmist fake mathepi days). Glad to have legit scientists like @florian_krammer around to set the record straight 02:20AM Venk Murthy @venkmurthy RT @AndyBiotech: #COVID19 Lots of scary headlines today on this story of "30% recovered patients had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies"… 02:19AM TinyFrighteningWoman @Baba_Lilith RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:19AM Joe Louderback @LouderbackJoe RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:19AM TinyFrighteningWoman @Baba_Lilith RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:19AM Daniel Rödding @dan_roedding RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:19AM alrightythen @jeeezelouise RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:18AM armie °??*??* @baitterfly RT @balajis: Please note: science is an iterative process. People who wrote & shared this research were well-intentioned. And perhaps the r… 02:18AM Someone very important ?? @krrrachi @KlasraRauf please sir your help needed here to settle debate ... 02:17AM An Aging Scientist @ddhewitt68 RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:16AM Anurag Adhikari ???????? @anura_Adhikari RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:16AM Jeroen Pollet @JeroenBKPollet RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:15AM MorriganResists @MorriganResists RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:14AM fipco @fipco @ChristosArgyrop @venkmurthy @ethanjweiss @drjohnm @djc795 @Dr_BowTie65 @tylercowen see @AndyBiotech ’s thread - this antibody test has limitations. https://t.co/C5bfP5Eq9u 02:14AM Mike Schiffer @mikeschiffer RT @AndyBiotech: #COVID19 Lots of scary headlines today on this story of "30% recovered patients had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies"… 02:13AM Stacy Herbrrrt @stacyherbert RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:13AM Global Biodefense @GlobalBioD RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:12AM Aaron Striegel @AaronStriegel RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:11AM mig30m6 @mig30m6 RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:10AM BevyBev63 @ChicagoLady63 RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:09AM Lyons?? @blondbanshee RT @Laurie_Garrett: The Chinese study adds fuel to debate over the role of neutralizing antibodies in fighting #SARSCoV2 infection. If peop… 02:09AM yaya2six @kahlua057 RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:06AM Isabel Ott @IsabelOtt RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:05AM mariabernardez@gmail.com @mariabe22360758 RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:05AM mariabernardez@gmail.com @mariabe22360758 RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:04AM Ben Haygood @benhaygood RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:04AM dW ???? @SmailliwNitsud RT @angie_rasmussen: Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is la… 02:04AM Dr. Angela Rasmussen @angie_rasmussen Agreed and thank you, Dr. Krammer. Besides neutralizing antibody is not the whole entire story—the immune system is large and complex. It’s encouraging that most patients have SOME neutralizing antibody. We need to learn more about protective immunity over 02:03AM Rosanne Azarian @RosanneAzarian RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:03AM Tyler Sork @tylersork RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 02:02AM KO_Sulli @KO_Sulli @DrDenaGrayson But see https://t.co/Ts3ioBOfP4 02:02AM Sheila Keating @smkeats RT @profshanecrotty: Important pre-print. First broad sero-survey of COVID19 patients. The data are great. I disagree with the focus. 94% o… 01:59AM Darryl @Darryl_Evanoff RT @k_e_luk: @susleec @jenheemstra @FiRawle @jesswade @KizzyPhD @VirusesImmunity @amandapepp @GSKUS 175 recovered in Shanghai, most dev SCo… 01:59AM Richard Reithinger @rreithinger RT @AdamJKucharski: Interesting preliminary data on neutralising antibody responses in recovered COVID-19 patients. Seems there can be a wi… 01:58AM (((Jody Ranck))) @jranck Thread worth reading 01:57AM ??? @frankincens RT @RawheaD: ??????????? https://t.co/LLd9oduH7p 01:56AM Monitor of the Situation #Massie2020 @Enopoletus RT @razibkhan: ppl who know this stuff seem to be skeptical of the non-antibodies preprint.... https://t.co/gr3Xo4Qia9 01:55AM Bolobilly @Bolobilly RT @Laurie_Garrett: The Chinese study adds fuel to debate over the role of neutralizing antibodies in fighting #SARSCoV2 infection. If peop… 01:55AM Kathleen Mills @kmills711 RT @profshanecrotty: Important pre-print. First broad sero-survey of COVID19 patients. The data are great. I disagree with the focus. 94% o… 01:54AM zeynep tufekci @zeynep RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 01:54AM matttteo @hellomatttteo RT @AndyBiotech: #COVID19 Lots of scary headlines today on this story of "30% recovered patients had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies"… 01:53AM Jeremy INVEST IN PUBLIC HEALTH Konyndyk @JeremyKonyndyk RT @florian_krammer: So, I looked at this: https://t.co/6xl42BsUl4. Of course it is a pseudotyped particle entry assays. But out of 175 ver… 01:53AM 42 followers v. @Larkcittia RT @thelonevirologi: Neutralizing antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2 in a COVID-19 recovered patient cohort and their implications https://t…
Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Hey KIKI, the whole thing is interesting but at 17:14 he starts a discussion of a paper in the South China Morning Post (SCMP) describing a study of 174 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and then tested for antibody titers. The authors found that about 30% of the recovered patients (mostly young) had antibody titers too low to be considered protective. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOMEPart of what it's about was what I posted here:
Quote: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&p=5 Nobody knows if those antibodies are actually protective in the first place. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Some people were truly reinfected (not just relapsed) and AFAIK there hasn't been a study on it. Nobody knows how high an antibody concentration (titer) you need to have to be protected. Nobody knows how broadly applicable those antibodies might be to minor - or major - variations in the strains going around. And of course, as you mentioned nobody knows how long they last. They could be like Noro virus (cruise-ship trots) antibodies that fizzle in a few weeks, and there you are, with another lovely case after you just got over your last case.
Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:15 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Take a look at the "Tweets Referencing This Article" at the bottom of the page. Kind of funny how the same three replies show up over and over and over and over and over and over and over again by different "people". Looks like a huge misinformation farm spreading this "study" all over Twitter to me.
Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:49 AM
Quote:Funding Statement This work was supported by the National Major Science and Technology Projects of China (2017ZX10202102 and 2018ZX10301403), National Natural Science Foundation of China (31771008), Hundred Talent Program of Shanghai Municipal Health Commission (2018BR08), and Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences (2019PT350002).
Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:38 PM
Quote:Coronavirus may 'reactivate' in cured patients, Korean health authority says A man speaks to a nurse during at a testing booth outside Yangji hospital in Seoul on March 17, 2020. SEOUL (BLOOMBERG) - The coronavirus may be "reactivating" in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea's Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC). About 51 patients classed as having been cured in South Korea have tested positive again, the KCDC said in a briefing. Rather than being infected again, the virus may have been reactivated in these people, given they tested positive again shortly after being released from quarantine, said Mr Jeong Eun-kyeong, director-general of the KCDC. "While we are putting more weight on reactivation as the possible cause, we are conducting a comprehensive study on this," Mr Jeong said. "There have been many cases when a patient during treatment will test negative one day and positive another." A patient is deemed fully recovered when two tests conducted with a 24-hour interval show negative results. The KCDC will conduct an epidemiological probe into the cases, he said. South Korea was one of the earliest countries to see a large-scale coronavirus outbreak, but the country has recorded 200 deaths and a falling new case tally since peaking at 1,189 on Feb 29. One of the world's most expansive testing programmes and a tech-driven approach to tracing infections has helped the country contain its epidemic without lockdowns or shuttering businesses. South Korea reported 39 new cases on Thursday (April 9) for a total of 10,423. Fear of re-infection in recovered patients is also growing in China, where the virus first emerged last December, after reports that some tested positive again - and even died from the disease - after supposedly recovering and leaving hospital. There's little understanding of why this happens, although some believe that the problem may lie in inconsistencies in test results. Epidemiologists around the world are in a race to find out more about the virus that causes Covid-19. The pathogen's rapid global spread has recently seen the focus shift to patients who contract the virus but display few or atypical symptoms. South Korea has been at the forefront of tracking these cases, which are causing particular concern in China, where the epidemic is showing signs of coming under control.
Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:12 PM
Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: For a guy who has spent three years believing Putin has been influencing American elections, you're pretty fucking dumb about this right now.
Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Speaking of hodroxychorloquine and fake news... I'm surprised nobody talked about this lady and her dead husband in the RWED.
Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:47 PM
Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Speaking of hodroxychorloquine and fake news... I'm surprised nobody talked about this lady and her dead husband in the RWED. Talk about a nothing burger - dude, you are so desperate. She totally stoned him. Did you even listen to it??
Thursday, April 9, 2020 3:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Actually, if you look at the data, I wonder whether antibodies (immunoglobulins) are the most effective way to clear the virus. If young people seem to do better but have fewer antibodies (at least to the spike proteins) and older people have more spike protein antibodies but don't fare as well, maybe other parts of the immune system (or antibodies to other parts of the virus) are more effective at inactivating it. I don't know much about the immune system, other than there have got to be at least a dozen separate components that turn it on, and off (cytokines, antibodies/plasma cells, T cells, macrophages, interferons, steroids, calcineurin, etc) Every time I look it up, I bump into at least two other things I didn't know. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Friday, April 10, 2020 3:19 PM
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Friday, April 10, 2020 11:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Yeah ... April 03, 2020 The CDC recommends all people wear masks outside the home. April 03, 2020 NYC asks all people wear masks outside the home. April 03, 2020 LACounty asks all people wear masks outside the home. FWIW April 07, 2020 The City of Los Angeles requires all people wear masks outside the home.
Friday, April 10, 2020 11:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, I went shopping today at my usual two stores. (Yanno, GSTRING, to fill up the pantry, basement, numerous cabinets and cupboards and two freezers... that I don't have ) and it's always been an interesting point to see how many are wearing masks. The first two weeks dear daughter and I went, we were the very fashion-forward two. By the third week, there were maybe one or two (or six, in the bigger store) aside from us. By the fourth week, about 30% in the small store and 50% in the bigger store were wearing masks, but none of the employees were. Thus last time, the smaller store got a 97%, as far as I can tell. ALL of the employees were wearing masks, and nearly everyone else was, with the exception of three people (two men and a woman.) The larger store got a 95%. All employees were wearing procedure masks, with the exception of one dood who obviously promised to wear a bandana and just as obviously decided to slip it down to his neck. Many people were wearing handsewn cloth masks or procedure (paper) masks, a few were wearing bandanas, and some N95 respirators had found their way out into the populace. The store was way more crowded than I feel comfortable with. I don't know if that's because it's a Friday (but who the heck is working a regular workweek anymore?) or bcause it was raining yesterday and people put off their Thursday shopping for Friday. Like I did. Anyway, I think more people are wearing masks bc the CDC changed its tune. Can you imagine how many might have been wearing masks before, if the CDC hadn't screwed up the message for two months??? #WEAR A MASK. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Saturday, April 11, 2020 3:15 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Well this is encouraging. New cases in the US have stabilized out in the 30,000 - 35,000 per day range in the last week. Let's see if it holds.
Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I've mentioned Sweden as the bellweather nation for the "do nothing" approach, and I'm going to bring it up here again for the sake of continuity and completeness. There were other "do nothing" nations, most recently Belarus, which had early on decided to keep the economy going but is now quietly changing its approach and asking Russia for help. Brazil continues its "do nothing" policy. India, in reality, can do nothing, altho to government virtue-signals its lockdown. Neither Modi (India) nor Bolsanaro (Brazil) have the capacity to even know what's going on in their infamous slums/favelas. People could be keeling over at home from Covid, but until bodies start piling up in the streets, like in Ecuador, nobody will be the wiser. The total number of deaths will probably be drastically under-reported, not only because the governments have an interest in doing so, but their medical infrastructure is so woefully underpowered compared to the size of the population it would be a Herculean task just to come up with a decent tally. In those other threads I mentioned that we can rely on Sweden's reporting, partly because Sweden has a well-developed medical and reporting system. But then I remembered ... Sweden notoriously under-reported crimes by ME migrants, and made it illegal to even mention the ethnicity of the criminals. So Sweden isn't necessarily transparent either. Altho they have the capability for proper reporting, their history with their migrant problem shows they don't mind bending the truth ... alot ... in favor of government policy. So, I would use their stats with caution, and be on the lookout for things like "excess deaths", not necessarily related to Covid-19. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:51 PM
Quote:The Military's Coronavirus Cases: The Latest Rundown
Quote:Lawmakers call for investigation into aircraft carrier captain's firing Democrats in both chambers of Congress are calling for an investigation into the Navy’s firing of an aircraft carrier commander who had pleaded for help with a coronavirus outbreak on his ship.
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Quote: Top Pentagon Generals Warn Enemies Not to Attack April 10 Hit by virus, Pentagon warns enemies: don't test us US Joint Chiefs Chairman General Mark Milley warns adversaries to not test US military readiness in the coronavirus pandemic US Joint Chiefs Chairman General Mark Milley warns adversaries to not test US military readiness in the coronavirus pandemic (AFP Photo/Mandel NGAN) Washington (AFP) - With an aircraft carrier forced into port and staff at bases handling nuclear missiles hit by COVID-19, the US military wants rivals to understand: don't test us, we have not been weakened. Statement after statement from the Pentagon has sought to deliver that message amid questions this week over whether the US fighting force can maintain full readiness, with cases among service members now at 2,031. "We're still capable and we're still ready no matter what the threat," Joint Chiefs Chairman General Mark Milley said Thursday.
Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:53 PM
Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: BTW, just my opinion only, but the keys to reopening the economy will be 1) masks, 2) treatments, 3) vaccines - in that order of availability. But no one in the upper echelons will propose masks.
Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:03 PM
Quote: Cui bono? ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Masks and hand-sanitizers. Do you think surgical masks would be sufficient? I personally think that the "at risk" population should have N95s and everyone else can use surgical masks. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Saturday, April 11, 2020 6:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But then I remembered ... Sweden notoriously under-reported crimes by ME migrants, and made it illegal to even mention the ethnicity of the criminals. So Sweden isn't necessarily transparent either. Altho they have the capability for proper reporting, their history with their migrant problem shows they don't mind bending the truth ... alot ... in favor of government policy.
Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But then I remembered ... Sweden notoriously under-reported crimes by ME migrants, and made it illegal to even mention the ethnicity of the criminals. So Sweden isn't necessarily transparent either. Altho they have the capability for proper reporting, their history with their migrant problem shows they don't mind bending the truth ... alot ... in favor of government policy. Did you really remember, or did you just read my reply to you in the thread you created on this topic "for me". Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Report on what?
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