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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
While gain of function research was being done on bat coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab, it was actually being FUNDED by Fauci's group.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

waiting for the Hillary Soros Obama connection.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/health/coronavirus-antibody-prevale
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After Recovery From the Coronavirus, Most People Carry Antibodies

But most antibody tests are fraught with false positives — picking up antibody signals where there are none. The new study relied on a test developed by Florian Krammer, a virologist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, that has a less than 1 percent chance of producing false-positive results.

Researchers at Mount Sinai tested people who signed up to be donors of convalescent plasma, antibodies extracted from blood.The team tested 624 people who had tested positive for the virus and had recovered. At first, just 511 of them had high antibody levels; 42 had low levels; and 71 had none. When 64 of the subjects with weak or no levels were retested more than a week later, however, all but three had at least some antibodies.

... the researchers included another 719 people in their study who suspected they had Covid-19 based on symptoms and exposure to the virus ... The majority of these people — 62 percent — did not seem to have antibodies.

An antibody survey conducted by New York State officials found that 20 percent of city residents had been infected.

Another finding from the study — that diagnostic PCR tests can be positive up to 28 days after the start of infection — is also important, Dr. Wang said.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I think Sweden is fucked]

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Massive Recession coming for Socialist Swedistan?

Sweden sees higher coronavirus death rate than US after refusing lockdown

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
While Sweden has been touted as the 'do nothing' country to emulate, the REAL 'do nothing' country is Brazil.

Maybe we should copy them?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/08/americas/brazil-coronavirus-bolsona
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Bolsonaro continues to dismiss Covid-19 threat as cases skyrocket in Brazil

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209.5 Million people live in Brazil. 9,146 people dead.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63629

But somewhat on the topic:

Of course there are the people who deny anything is wrong and want everything just opened up without caution or concern.

But most people are squeezed - between their fear of catching SARS-COV-2 or maybe even passing it on to a loved one - and their need to work - and the piss-poor government response to a historic crisis.

I think if people thought the government reliably had their backs with the emergency relief checks or unemployment or the Payment Protection Program they wouldn't be so stressed. Or if there were realistic (#wearamask) requirements for helping people stay safe as they went back to work they wouldn't be so stressed. But there seems to be nothing. 10M still haven't received their relief checks. Unemployment is swamped and weeks behind. The PPP is inadequate and often misdirected. And there seems to be no positive protection people can use to stay safe besides hoping other people can and will keep their distance and hoping no one coughs on you. And we've seen how well that works at meat packing plants.

People are left dangling, to fend for themselves.

BTW I don't see a lot of people who've lost their employment being depressed over this, I see them being royally pissed off.


My PERSONAL opinion is that people should be allowed to vote in a referendum as to when and how their states should reopen. There are too many people with a vital interest in this to leave it to political pressure groups. And mandatory masks and available hand sanitizers or gloves should be on the list of options to choose, if the majority decides that's how to reopen.

most recent poll numbers:
https://apnews.com/9ed271ca13012d3b77a2b631c1979ce1
AP-NORC poll: Few Americans support easing virus protections
About 8 in 10 Americans say they support measures that include requiring Americans to stay in their homes and limiting gatherings to 10 people or fewer — numbers that have largely held steady over the past few weeks.
While the poll reveals that the feelings behind the protests that materialized in the past week or so in battleground states such as Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are held by only a small fraction of Americans, it does find signs that Republicans are, like President Donald Trump, becoming more bullish on reopening aspects of public life.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Don't Listen to Conspiracy Theories. Here's Why COVID-19 Isn't the Flu
— An emergency physician's firsthand account
by J. Michael Wilson, MD, MPH, MSHS May 6, 2020



Forgive this doctor's moments of weakness. Today is a particularly hard day. I'm exhausted. Mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. For the most part, it's part of the job. But over the last few days, as different parts of the country have started "opening up," I have had to listen to folks, some even friends of mine, carry on with an extra dose of "hoax talk." Conspiracy theories. Fanciful tales of the deep state, socialism, and tyranny.

I can tolerate most of it. But if I have to listen to one more person tell me about how COVID has been no worse than the flu, I may just lose my ever-lovin' mind.

I don't need to hear a bunch of stats today comparing the flu to COVID. There are so many flaws in the stats that get thrown around comparing flu to COVID-19. But here is one doctor's perspective on the flu versus coronavirus.

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I don't need to hear a bunch of stats today comparing the flu to COVID. There are so many flaws in the stats that get thrown around comparing flu to COVID-19. But here is one doctor's perspective on the flu versus coronavirus.

I have taken care of COVID patients in several places and under different circumstances -- not just in New York City.

I've treated hundreds if not thousands of flu patients over the years; however:

• • I've never held the hand of a young, otherwise healthy, mother as I watched her die of the flu.
• • I've never once had a patient with the flu tell me about how the rest of his family died from the flu.
• • I've never just stood there and watched a patient with the flu struggle to breathe and feel completely helpless, knowing there is little I can do to ease their suffering.
• • I've never in my career seen so many people die from the flu in such a short period of time that they had to be buried in mass graves because there was no place to put so many bodies.
• • I've never had to arrange a FaceTime call for a patient dying from the flu, so the family could say goodbye or figure out how I can wheel their bed to a glass door so their family can wave goodbye.
• • I've never had an entire service of patients who had the flu, were treated and recovered, even pronounced "flu-free" and not be able to discharge them because their friends, families, homes, and support structure are afraid of them.
• • I've never watched a patient with the flu struggle to breathe with oxygen saturations in the 70s and had to make myself NOT put them on a ventilator because if I did it would likely kill them.
• • I've never gone to work during flu season and worried that I might catch the flu and die or that my choice of profession treating the flu would endanger my family.
• • I've never endured stories of my colleagues dropping out during a shift and being put on a ventilator due to the flu.
I have rarely had a patient with the flu that I couldn't make at least a little better.
• • I've never had my world shut down completely due to flu season coming. Conversely, I've never been terrified that increased public activity during flu season was going to kill thousands more people (maybe I should have).
• • Finally, I've never once treated a patient with the flu like they were a walking hazmat scene, through barriers of Tyvek, respirators, goggles, and gloves.

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Thanks for that - been looking for some specifics as to why it's "not the flu." This first hand experience cuts right through any data fog.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Great Mask v No Mask charts. I think someone at the WH must have seen it as they are finally requiring masks to be worn. A bit late of course, like everything about their efforts on this.

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White House scrambles after staffers test positive as new mask mandate takes effect

On Monday, staffers were advised in a memo they would be required to wear a face covering when entering the West Wing, a person familiar said. The memo said face coverings would be available in the White House medical office and told staffers to follow social distancing guidelines.

Trump voiced frustration that two White House staffers tested positive for coronavirus and has asked why his valets weren't ordered to wear masks before this week, according to the person.
Trump believes an economic rebound will only come when governors decide to lift restrictions and is concerned at any signs the virus is resurgent.

At the same time, he's told people he doesn't want to be near anyone who hasn't been tested and has bristled when coming into contact with some people at the White House.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/11/politics/katie-miller-contract-trac
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Great Mask v No Mask charts. I think someone at the WH must have seen it as they are finally requiring masks to be worn. A bit late of course, like everything about their efforts on this.

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To be worn at the WH? To be worn by the general public? Do you have more info?

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Great Mask v No Mask charts. I think someone at the WH must have seen it as they are finally requiring masks to be worn. A bit late of course, like everything about their efforts on this.

SIGNYM: To be worn at the WH? To be worn by the general public? Do you have more info?

CC:It does seem to go back and forth depending on the time of day. I saw a report that they were being required, as well as Pence going into self-quarantine for coming into contact with his own press secretary. But then you can see images of people in the WH not wearing masks, and Pence - suddenly coming out of quarantine (probably because Trump dogged him, "bad example") - and him not wearing a mask either. Freaking train wreck.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I took another look at divoc-91 deaths/wk/MM and I tried to put states into one of four categories:

They started low and mostly stayed low, and are now at or near zero: Alaska, Arkansas, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas (maybe, but has a tick up at the end), Maine, Montana, Oklahoma, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, Tennesee, Texas (maybe, same issue), West Virginia, and Wyoming. Most of these states aren't highly populated and not tourist destinations, but special kudos for Hawaii (tourism) and Vermont (tourists from NYC).

Took an initial jump up but have since plateaued. The jump up indicates that they have some risk factors for transmission, the plateau shows that they've reached some kind of equilibrium with the virus: California, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Maine, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, Florida, Ohio, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, DC, South Dakota, North Dakota, North Carolina

Peaked and are definitely coming down: Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Massachusetts, South Carolina, and (of course) the big three: New York, Connecticut, and New Jersey,

And the surprises. These states hae done nothing but go up and are STILL going up: Illinois, New Hampshire, Iowa (Iowa???), Virginia, Alabama, and New Mexico.

Trying to find the reason why these states seem so prone to transmission.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-state-by-state-guide-to-coronavirus-loc
kdowns-11584749351

So I looked at the state failures. They had different reasons to fail: Two of them allowed religious gatherings (IL, IA) and altho technically limited the size that's hard to enforce. New Hampshire and Alabama both had relaxed limits on social distancing. Virginia and New Mexico are both mysteries because their policies seem to be pretty average, but New Mexico might be explained by the very large and impoverished Navajo and other reservations in that state.

Many successful states required new arrivals to SELF QUARANTINE for 14 days Those are Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio, Montana, Massachusetts, Maryland, Maine, Kentucky, Kansas, Idaho, Hawaii (special kudos), Florida, Delaware, Alaska, Wyoming. SARS-Cov2 never established a toe hold.

Only a few states require or recommend masks: Georgia, Nebraska, and Tennessee. Howeer, LA county (where I live) does require them, and many businesses hae a "no mask/no service" policy.



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Now, I know there are also a number of ways to fuck up "deaths".
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Austria Has 90% Drop in Coronavirus Cases After Requiring People to Wear Face Masks
The number of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases in Austria dropped from 90 to 10 cases per one million people, two weeks after the government required everyone to wear a face mask on April 6.

According to Daily Mail, "Austria seemingly managed to reverse its crisis by making masks compulsory on April 6, following a spike in infections in late March."

This contradicted what the United Kingdom (UK) government told its citizens. They are denying that masks are effective if used by the general public.

However, Public Health England (PHE) says wearing a mask could spread the virus. It causes people to touch their face and increases the chances of a person acquiring the virus.

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Originally posted by second:
We could stop the pandemic by July 4 if the government took these steps

For the best advice on what we should do, read story # 1) by Marty Makary and story # 2) by Tabarrok and Ohlhaver. Put them together and the basic advice is familiar: combine universal mask wearing with aggressive test-and-trace once an area gets its disease prevalence below 1 percent. Click the links for more details.

# 1) How to Reopen America Safely:
www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/opinion/reopen-america-coronavirus-lockdown
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# 2) We could stop the pandemic by July 4 if the government took these steps:
www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/we-could-stop-the-pandemic-by-july-4-if
-the-government-took-these-steps/2020/05/15/9e527370-954f-11ea-9f5e-56d8239bf9ad_story.html

States have strong economic incentives to become — and remain — green zones. Nations that have invested the most in disease control have suffered the least economic hardship: Taiwan grew 1.5 percent in the first quarter, whereas the United States’ gross domestic product contracted by 4.8 percent, at an annual adjusted rate. (Taiwan was fortunate to have its vice president, Chen Chien-Jen, a U.S.-trained epidemiologist; under his guidance, the island acted quickly with masks, temperature checks, testing and tracing.) The second quarter will be worse: The projected decline for U.S. GDP, at an annualized rate, is an alarming 40 percent.

How do we know that testing, tracing and supported isolation would work? It already has worked in New Zealand, South Korea and Taiwan — where there have been few to no new daily cases recently. Taiwan never had to shut down its economy, while New Zealand and South Korea are returning to normal. It would work here, too.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Meanwhile ... Sweden.

Their new deaths/day (weekly avg) per million people has plateaued around 7, and is lower only than the UK and Belgium. Not exactly a rousing success. Even Italy, Spain and France have managed to fight their way lower ... MUCH lower ... than Sweden.

California seems to have stayed at a consistent 2 new deaths per day per million people over the past 5 weeks; with a population of about 40 million people means about 80 deaths per day.

New Jersey is the highest at about 20 deaths per day per million, closely followed by Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York and DC. Illinois is at about 9 but has a very steady trend upwards over the past four weeks (up from 6). Indiana has taken a few surprising jumps up but seems to have plateaued, also around 9.

The one surprise to me was Alabama, which has risen steadily and inexorably since the beginning. Are they doing ANYthing to slow the spread? Colorado had a huge jump during ski season but has since dropped down.

Every state seems to have its own path and its own reasons for being that way. Some are just too close to NYC. Some are tourist destinations. Some have smaller populations tht can be easily managed. Some, like CA, seem to be struggling along. But I agree with KIKI: when states "reopen" we should expect to see a rise in deaths in 4-5 weeks (about 5 days to become symptomatic, and another 3-4 weeks to decline to death.)

It'll be interesting.




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KIKI: ...??? As far as I know, death is forever. Please restate.

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People are taking power back from the state all over the country now, just like I said they would.

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