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You're talking about giving the government the power to shut off water to people.

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All I did was point out that the police and code enforcement ALREADY have that authority and have had it for a long time.
This is nothing new.
I'm sorry if that's too much reality for you.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

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AS USUAL JACK, you posted no links.

Just more of your Karen hyperventilation and bullshit over your precious sense of entitlement.

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So, I'm still trying to resolve the huge discrepancy between "deaths" and "cases", especially since the curves wind up going in opposite directions.



But at the beginning, nobody knew the virus was circulating, so they went on cruises and traveled internationally and went to sporting events and work and the gym. I can't see why vulnerable elderly in care homes would be exposed to the virus in SUCH far greater proportions than the rest of the population. True, they're in a mass situation and cared for by low-wage workers who HAVE to work, sick or not. OTOH they're not out working, partying, demonstrating, attending church or sporting events, like others were at the start of the pandemic.

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The test for "how many cases is SARS-Cov2 testing revealing" is the positivity rate. Apparently there are statistics in use that indicate whether testing is revealing the true infection rate, and that is the positivity rate. I have heard one point referenced: a positivity rate of less than 5% indicates that most infections are being captured. I don't know if they have more points that indicate how many more infections "out there" for different positivity rates.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The test for "how many cases is SARS-Cov2 testing revealing" is the positivity rate. Apparently there are statistics in use that indicate whether testing is revealing the true infection rate, and that is the positivity rate. I have heard one point referenced: a positivity rate of less than 5% indicates that most infections are being captured. I don't know if they have more points that indicate how many more infections "out there" for different positivity rates.

JSF: Positivity defined as total number of new positive resulted cases for the day divided by the total number of stated test results for the day. Not to be confused with specimens.

This seems to be more a function of how the test subjects are targeted than the degree of saturation.

I think total number of new positives divided by the total of testing CAPACITY is a more useful gauge to measure saturation level, or what has been missed.

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You're talking about giving the government the power to shut off water to people.

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All I did was point out that the police and code enforcement ALREADY have that authority and have had it for a long time.
This is nothing new.
I'm sorry if that's too much reality for you.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

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No. They do not have the authority to come in and turn off your power and your water service if they don't approve of your activity.

Some shady as fuck lawyers working for him might have convinced this power-hungry mayor that this is the case, but existing laws regarding abandoned buildings and crack dens do not extend to tax paying citizens who are paying for these services and give the government authority to shut off your source of life on their own personal whims.

We have a legal system for a reason. If somebody is doing something that authorities deem illegal, they need to get a warrant. Then they can make any arrests within the confines of the law. Then they get their day in court where a jury of their peers decide the outcome.


This is an extreme abuse of power, and the fact that you're cheerleading it because you're terrified says a lot about you.

You're the reason the slippery slope exists.

You better check yourself.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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AS USUAL JACK, you posted no links.

Just more of your Karen hyperventilation and bullshit over your precious sense of entitlement.

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I don't need to post links to illustrate how you've sold out freedom and our country because of your feels.

I can just quote you here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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“Mayor Garcetti wants to reimagine policing. He should send his civilian staff to turn off people’s electricity & cut off their water,” the League said in a tweet over the weekend in response to the mayor’s plans. “Let officers deal with the rise in shootings and killings in LA. We need a leader and not a political contortionist,”

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The test for "how many cases is SARS-Cov2 testing revealing" is the positivity rate. Apparently there are statistics in use that indicate whether testing is revealing the true infection rate, and that is the positivity rate. I have heard one point referenced: a positivity rate of less than 5% indicates that most infections are being captured. I don't know if they have more points that indicate how many more infections "out there" for different positivity rates.

JSF: Positivity defined as total number of new positive resulted cases for the day divided by the total number of stated test results for the day. Not to be confused with specimens.

This seems to be more a function of how the test subjects are targeted than the degree of saturation.

I think total number of new positives divided by the total of testing CAPACITY is a more useful gauge to measure saturation level, or what has been missed.

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what do you mean by "testing capacity"?

You bring up an interesting point: most of the stats are performed with the idea that testing is either geared towards symptomatic people or random. You COULD game the system by targeting people who are not at all symptomatic and who have NO history of potential exposure, run a crap ton of tests, have very low positivity and low apparent numbers and be deliberately missing a huge number of new cases. IF you wanted to have the system and look like you're doing better than youo really are, that's how it could be done. Of course, you'd need a lot of participating doctors, nurses, and techs, and someone somewhere would blow the whistle

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BTW, nobody is disputing that the city has the authority.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

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Signy, I don't know if you have any interest in- or feelings about- herd immunity, but San Quentin is by all accounts a lesson in how it doesn't work.


https://news.yahoo.com/san-quentin-coronavirus-disaster-exposes-120059
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COVID-19 spread unchecked across California's oldest prison in ways that stunned public health experts, despite efforts to control the disease. As of Monday, there had been more than 2,200 cases and 25 deaths, among a population of more than 3,260 people. On Sunday, a guard became one of the latest to die.

That means more than two-thirds of the prison's population has been infected, said Dr. George Rutherford, epidemiologist and infectious diseases expert at UC San Francisco.

And though new cases have slowed, they are still occurring — with 60 reported in the last two weeks — suggesting herd immunity has not yet been achieved.

... the San Quentin experience — as well as other data — does show that, in the absence of a vaccine, "in order to get to something that approaches herd immunity, we're going to have to get something well on the far side of 50% of people infected," Rutherford said. "Which comes with a resultant large cost in mortality and severe morbidity.

Other data show how it's possible for far larger proportions of the population to get infected.

Among three slums in Mumbai, India, 57% of people tested have been exposed to the coronavirus, according to the BBC, citing a survey conducted by government officials. On a cruise ship with 217 passengers that left Argentina in March bound for Antartica, 59% tested positive for the virus, according to a study published in the journal Thorax.

Even nations that have previously been seen as hard hit still have plenty of susceptible people to fuel a second wave of disease.

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So maybe this "second pathway" of immunity is a phantasm.

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It occurs to me that there is one other possible explanation for the discrepancy between deaths and cases, and that is that people wearing masks might still be exposed to SARS-CoV-2, but at a much lower particle load. So possibly they are able to fend off the virus more easily than those who get a whole lungful.

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New Zealand was acclaimed a world leader in handling Covid-19. Now it's dealing with a fresh outbreak


For months, life was largely back to normal, and the country went 102 days without a locally acquired case.

But on Tuesday, New Zealand reported that a family of four in Auckland had been infected with coronavirus, despite having no history of overseas travel and no connection with any known cases. (Then) On Thursday, New Zealand's Director General of Health Dr. Ashley Bloomfield announced 13 new locally transmitted cases, all connected with the original four. The new cluster (of locally transmitted infections), which now totals 17 cases, has prompted the country to put its most populous city under lockdown as authorities scramble to trace the source of the outbreak.

It remains unclear what caused the latest outbreak. Authorities have used genome sequencing to investigate the source of the outbreak, but have found no link between the community cases and imported cases in New Zealand's managed isolation quarantine facilities, Bloomfield said. "What we do know is that the genome sequence of the new cases broadly most closely resemble the patterns from the United Kingdom and Australia," he said.

One of the original four worked at Americold, an American temperature-controlled warehouse company. On Thursday, authorities announced that three more Americold staff members had tested positive, and seven of the cases announced Thursday are family members of Americold employees. Authorities are testing surfaces at Americold's warehouse for Covid-19, but Ardern emphasized that the most likely cause of the outbreak was human-to-human transmission. "We are wanting to rule everything out," she said.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/asia/new-zealand-cases-coronavirus-
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I heard this guy being interviewed on KNX 1070. I caught it by chance, as I was simply trying to find out what the column of smoke in the foothills was all about (Azusa fire)

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Column: I had COVID-19, and these are the things nobody tells you

It hit me in an inspired bit of irony, at the exact moment I filed my column on the NBA restart opening game between the Lakers and Clippers.

After marveling about the return of the intensity of a live sports event, I literally curled up with the chills.

After celebrating how our local teams renewed their rivalry with exhausted passion, I was so fatigued I could barely walk from my office chair to my bed.

It was a night filled with hope that this country’s long-stalled sports machine was finally chugging its way out of the novel coronavirus pandemic.

It was also the night I began showing symptoms that later resulted in a positive test for COVID-19.

I would occasionally hear acquaintances wonder if [the coronavirus] was truly that awful. I can now offer indisputable confirmation. Yes, it really sucks.

I am lucky. I am blessed. According to the latest numbers, I am one of the around 212,000 confirmed cases in Los Angeles County, but I am not among the around 5,000 deaths, and I had the incredibly good fortune to avoid hospitalization.

I basically lived through a really strange and bad flu. You’ve heard the stories, and mine is actually one of the better ones. Many victims would love to be alive to tell such a relatively benign tale. The depth of their nightmare resonates deeply in me now. This column honors their struggle and commemorates their spirit. May we never forget that behind every coronavirus statistic there is unquantifiable human suffering.

I’m the first person I know who has had the coronavirus. I would occasionally hear acquaintances wonder if it was truly that awful. I can now offer indisputable confirmation. Yes, it really sucks.

My temperature hovered in the upper reaches of 102. It felt like my head was on fire. One night I sweated through five shirts. I shook so much from the chills I thought I chipped a tooth. My chest felt like LeBron James was sitting on it. My fatigue made it feel as if I was dressed in the chains of Jacob Marley’s ghost. I coughed so hard it felt like I broke a rib.

I would fall asleep in a chair and wake up terrified from a hallucinatory dream where I was chased through a playground by old women with giant heads. During phone calls I would get confused and just stop talking. I would begin crying for no reason. I lost my sense of taste, smell, and five pounds in the first four days.

None of this is probably news to anyone who has read about these cases. Everyone knows what happens, even if they never believe it will happen to them.

But still, there are things about this insidious illness that nobody tells you. There are things that surprised me, things that stick with you long after the fever has spiked and the headaches have stopped.

Nobody tells you about the dread. From the moment my doctor phoned me with the test results, to the moment I am writing this column, I have been scared out of my mind.

I know the minuscule overall fatality percentages. I know the overwhelming odds of survival for a 61-year-old male in good health with no preexisting conditions. It doesn’t matter. Once you realize you have a virus that could kill you and there’s nothing anybody can do about it, you live in constant fear.

A couple of weeks ago, I didn’t follow my instincts. I briefly let my guard down. The coronavirus came out swinging.

With every trickle of sweat off your forehead, you worry. With every deep cough, you wonder. You check your temperature 53 times every day, and every single time that thermometer is in your mouth, you close your eyes and pray. You stick your finger in the pulse oximeter every hour, and beg for the number to rise.

Then there are the late nights, when your quarantine feels most acute — when you are the most alone. You start coughing into a wet pillow and you can’t stop and your breath becomes ragged and your bed is soaking and you wonder, is now the time? Do you try to drive yourself to the hospital? Do you call an ambulance? Are you just being a baby? You can’t call any friends or family for help because they can’t be exposed. You can’t call your doctor because he’s already told you there’s nothing he can do. You don’t know what to do, so you simmer alone in the darkness doing nothing, paralyzed by fear and chasing your breath and praying that 102.1 does not become 103.1.

The other emotion nobody tells you about is the anger. You followed all the rules, you wore countless masks, you never strayed far from home, you spent four months battling this thing, and still it hits you with a sucker punch.

In my social circles, I was considered among the least likely person to contract the disease because, basically, I abandoned the circles. For four months I avoided all crowded driveway happy hours and cul-de-sac cocktail parties. I didn’t set foot inside my church even during the brief time it was open. I didn’t set foot inside a grocery store as my youngest daughter Mary Clare, who was quarantined with me for most of the summer, did all the shopping.
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I wore a mask everywhere. I followed all the rules, but a couple of weeks ago I didn’t follow my instincts. I briefly let my guard down. The coronavirus came out swinging.

The weekend before my symptoms appeared, for the first time in four months, I met friends for two dinners at two socially distanced patio tables. Nobody is required to wear masks at the tables, so I removed my mask when I sat, as did my dining partners, and we left them off during the entire time we were at the table.

I didn’t do anything that was prohibited, right? I was just following the rules, right?

My guess is that I caught it there.

I’m angry not at the coronavirus, but at myself, because I should have known it doesn’t fight fair, because I was stupid enough to relax around it for even a second, and now my mistake could fester in my system forever.

Framed against the sports world of which I write, my illness has further convinced me that organized team sports played outside an NBA or NHL-style bubble don’t have a chance this fall.

This is why all of college football should follow the smart Pac-12 and Big Ten conferences and cancel their seasons. This is why the NFL should shut down training camps before they begin practicing in earnest. This is why baseball needs to get into a postseason bubble if it has any chance of crowning a champion.

I’ve written all this before, and so I write it again with feeling. It didn’t take much for COVID-19 to make my unexciting life hell. Imagine the increased risk for someone who actually hits and hugs and huddles and hangs out with other people?

The novel coronavirus is not a statistic. It’s not an agenda. It’s not a debate. COVID-19 is real enough to rise up and beat me senseless. We need to stop giving it license to do the same to others.


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The non-scientific poll of 500 people commissioned by Royal shows that the concept of wearing masks during sex is also picking up: While only six percent of those polled say they’ve actually done it, 25% say they’re “open to the idea.”

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You live in a very, very small JACKAREN exclusive world.

80% could, eventually, over time ... unless ... we get a vaccine which can spare large percentages in the near term and effective treatments which can rescue the sick; and ultimately we can can stamp it off the face of the earth, the way we did with smallpox.

... But of course, if you advocate doing nothing - as you do - then we'll have maximum infections and maximum deaths, and will never get rid of it.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.

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You live in a very, very small JACKAREN exclusive world.

80% could, eventually, over time get the SARS-CoV-2 infection ... unless ... we get a vaccine which can spare large percentages in the near term, and get effective treatments which can rescue the sick; and ultimately we can then stamp it off the face of the earth, the way we did with smallpox.

... But of course, if you advocate doing nothing - as you do - then we'll have maximum infections and maximum deaths, and will never get rid of it.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.

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My bad. I keep thinking reality matters.

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