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My bad. I keep thinking reality matters.

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It' not just reality that's gone out the window, it's logic.

The problem is, SIX hates ... absolutely hates ... "boomers" and he wants to see them all die off, very quickly. On top of that, he seems to be in denial about viruses.

So he winds up contradicting himself, hoping (on the one hand) that the virus kills a lot of boomers and saying (on the other hand) that it's no worse than "a cold". But what I think is really driving this is that he just hates boomers, and will say anything to promote boomers dying off faster.

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#WEARAMASK

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So now you hate ... me ... because of your mother.

Whatever.

You have subscriptions and if you target me because of YOUR PAST it just exposes what a fucked up head case you are.

BTW ...

... GROW THE FUCK UP.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup.

My mom was just shy of Piper Laurie (minus the religion) on Carrie (which incidentally was one of her favorite movies). . . .

My parents did me a huge favor.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So now you hate ... me ... because of your mother.

Whatever.

You have subscriptions and if you target me because of YOUR PAST it just exposes what a fucked up head case you are.

BTW ...

... GROW THE FUCK UP.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.

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He doesn't hate you, KIKI. He doesn't even know you. And he's as far off the mark as SECONDRATE calling you a Russian troll.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand ...

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He targets the persona of 1kiki because he's made his life all about feeling embittered and entitled, and excusing every hostile behavior he cares to indulge in.

He's an ass who needs to grow the fuck up.

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He targets the persona of 1kiki because he's made his life all about feeling embittered and entitled, and excusing every hostile behavior he cares to indulge in.

He's an ass who needs to grow the fuck up.

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+1

"the world owes me for my upbringing - I'm the only one that's ever suffered"

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So now you hate ... me ... because of your mother.

Whatever.

You have subscriptions and if you target me because of YOUR PAST it just exposes what a fucked up head case you are.

BTW ...

... GROW THE FUCK UP.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.

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crazy Karen that is willing to thrash the Constitution because you allowed the media that lies to you everyday to terrify you

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup.

My mom was just shy of Piper Laurie (minus the religion) on Carrie (which incidentally was one of her favorite movies). . . .

My parents did me a huge favor.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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That is some story. Tell it to a psychiatrist -- “…much will be gained if we succeed in transforming your hysterical misery into common unhappiness. With a mental life that has been restored to health, you will be better armed against that unhappiness.” - Sigmund Freud, Josef Breuer

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That's rich, coming from a guy who spews hate and lies mornnig, noon, and night because of something that happened at least 35 years ago.

Anyway, Freud was a giant fraud. It appears that he ignored evidence of actual sexual abuse, and instead blamed the victim for unconsciously desiring the parent sexually.
https://medium.com/@suriana/7-disturbing-facts-about-sigmund-freud-4a8c586c780f

IMHO psychiatry has been used most often to "adjust" individuals to unjust situations, to put the blame and responsibility for all ills that the individual suffers on the individual and never on the larger society. Just look at Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, who used psychiatry to skew entire populations. Even today, psychiatrists continue to serve the system created by the elites. For example, generally speaking, psychiatrists have been trained to assume that hypomania is the NORMAL mindset. This never-say-die, I-can-be-anyone-I-want-to-be, pick-myself-up-after-every-fall, mindlessly optimistic (promoted) attitude actually does a POORER job of predicting outcomes and making realistic choices. But hypomania serves a hypercompetitive, every-man-for-himself-and-god-against-all society because it causes the victims to blame THEMSELVES and to continue beating their heads against the wall that the elites have constructed. Those people will never seek to change society.

Psychiatrists have worked out torture methods for every tyrannical government, including Hitler and the USA, and routinely oversee torture sessions.

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Pity would be no more,
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That's rich, coming from a guy who spews hate and lies mornnig, noon, and night because of something that happened at least 35 years ago.

Anyway, Freud was a giant fraud. It appears that he ignored evidence of actual sexual abuse, and instead blamed the victim for unconsciously desiring the parent sexually.
https://medium.com/@suriana/7-disturbing-facts-about-sigmund-freud-4a8c586c780f

IMHO psychiatry has been used most often to "adjust" individuals to unjust situations, to put the blame and responsibility for all ills that the individual suffers on the individual and never on the larger society. Just look at Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, who used psychiatry to skew entire populations. Even today, psychiatrists continue to serve the system created by the elites. For example, generally speaking, psychiatrists have been trained to assume that hypomania is the NORMAL mindset. This never-say-die, I-can-be-anyone-I-want-to-be, pick-myself-up-after-every-fall, mindlessly optimistic (promoted) attitude actually does a POORER job of predicting outcomes and making realistic choices. But hypomania serves a hypercompetitive, every-man-for-himself-and-god-against-all society because it causes the victims to blame THEMSELVES and to continue beating their heads against the wall that the elites have constructed. Those people will never seek to change society.

Psychiatrists have worked out torture methods for every tyrannical government, including Hitler and the USA, and routinely oversee torture sessions.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

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Signym, where is your proof that you are not insane? That you are not a Russian troll? I am looking forward to your evidence, but I'm not seeing much sanity from your writing about psychiatrists.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Oh, VERY interesting!

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... the herd immunity–building approach has another major problem, only recently realized: The long-term health impact the coronavirus can have on victim's hearts. Troublingly, even those who seem to have less-pronounced COVID-19 symptoms or no symptoms at all may discover that they have heart issues later.

"That's certainly the concern, even for people who have a relatively benign infection ... (said) Dr. Thomas Maddox ... "... like we saw with the German study, sometimes even those folks, at least a subset, may have long-term cardiac damage. It was really concerning that about 80 percent of people had some evidence of scarring or some swelling in the heart," Maddox said. "Even if they hadn't necessarily been that sick."

The study Maddox is referring to was published in JAMA Cardiology by German researchers in July. The study, which used Cardiac Magnetic Resonance (CMR) imaging in 100 recently-recovered COVID-19 patients, identified ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 percent of the recovering volunteers. In total, 78 percent had abnormal CMR findings. "These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19," the authors state in the study.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916?gu
estAccessKey=698ebd4c-5c29-4069-9ef6-8839bcbc07de&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=072720

A separate autopsy study by a different group of German researchers had similar findings, in that the coronavirus had affected COVID-19 patients' hearts.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768914

"We believe that the heart can be affected by COVID in a couple of ways," Maddox said. "One is that the infection and stress resulting from an infection can cause injury to the heart, just almost as a bystander effect with the heart working so hard to fight off the overall viral infection that can cause damage." The second, Maddox said, that there might be some "direct viral invasion," although the evidence of that doesn't necessarily stack up. A third concern is for people who have severe symptoms, there could be an overreaction of the immune system attacking the heart. The fourth is related to clotting in the body.

As Scientific American recently reported, a growing body of research suggests COVID-19 has detrimental long-term effects on the heart, even among very healthy young people.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-can-wreck-your-hea
rt-even-if-you-havent-had-any-symptoms/

"It looks like there's long-term lung damage, and this affects various organ systems," Maddox said. "So I think we want to be careful of being too cavalier and saying, 'Oh, throw everybody together and get everybody infected, we'll get enough antibodies circulating to protect everyone,' because I don't think it's that simple."

"I think there may be a fairly large number of people who would have long-term health problems, if we adopted that strategy," Maddox added.

https://www.salon.com/2020/04/05/what-it-feels-like-to-survive-covid-1
9s-dreaded-cytokine-storm/

https://www.salon.com/2020/09/02/trump-scott-atlas-herd-immunity-heart
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COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms

A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus

We’ve also known for a while that some COVID-19 patients’ hearts are taking a beating, too—but over the past few weeks, the evidence has strengthened that cardiac damage can happen even among people who have never displayed symptoms of coronavirus infection. And these frightening findings help explain why college and professional sports leagues are proceeding with special caution as they make decisions about whether or not to play.

More than a dozen athletes at Power Five conference schools have been identified as having myocardial injury following coronavirus infection, according to ESPN; two of the conferences—the Big Ten and the Pac-12—already have announced they are postponing all competitive sports until 2021. And in Major League Baseball, Boston Red Sox ace pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez told reporters that he felt “100 years old” as a result of his bout with COVID, and of MLB’s shortened season because of myocarditis—an inflammation of the heart muscle, often triggered by a virus. Said Rodriguez: “That’s [the heart is] the most important part of your body, so when you hear that … I was kind of scared a little. Now that I know what it is, it’s still scary.”

Why are these athletes (and their leagues and conferences) taking such extreme precautions? It’s because of the stakes. Though it often resolves without incident, myocarditis can lead to severe complications such as abnormal heart rhythms, chronic heart failure and even sudden death.

Here’s the background: Myocarditis appears to result from the direct infection of the virus attacking the heart, or possibly as a consequence of the inflammation triggered by the body’s overly aggressive immune response. And it is not age-specific: In The Lancet, doctors recently reported on an 11-year-old child with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C)—a rare illness—who died of myocarditis and heart failure. At autopsy, pathologists were able to identify coronavirus particles present in the child’s cardiac tissue, helping to explain the virus’ direct involvement in her death. In fact, researchers are reporting the presence of viral protein in the actual heart muscle, of six deceased patients. Of note is the fact that these patients were documented to have died of lung failure, having had neither clinical signs of heart involvement, nor a prior history of cardiac disease.

Ossama Samuel, associate chief of cardiology at Mount Sinai Beth Israel in New York, told me about a cluster of younger adults developing myocarditis, some of them a month or so after they had recovered from COVID-19. One patient, who developed myocarditis four weeks after believing he had recovered from the virus, responded to a course of steroid treatment only to develop a recurrence in the form of pericarditis (an inflammation of the sac surrounding the heart). A second patient, in her 40s, now has reduced heart function from myocarditis, and a third—an athletic man in his 40s—is experiencing recurring and dangerous ventricular heart rhythms, necessitating that he wear a LifeVest defibrillator for protection. His MRI also demonstrates fibrosis and scarring of his heart muscle, which may be permanent, and he may ultimately require placement of a permanent defibrillator.

J.N. ... told me that COVID-19 symptoms first appeared in his case in late March. ... Just 34 years old, he was diagnosed with COVID-induced myocarditis and severe heart failure. Doctors admitted him to the intensive care unit and placed him on a lifesaving intra-aortic balloon pump due to the very poor function of his heart. He spent two weeks in the hospital, has suffered recurrences since his discharge, and now says, “I’m very careful. I’m very concerned about the length of time I’ve been feeling sick, and if these symptoms are lifelong or will go away anytime soon.” J.N. said that everyday activities, like carrying his one-year-old daughter up a flight of stairs, leave him feeling winded and fatigued. He has been unable to work since March

Experts estimate that half of myocarditis cases resolve without a chronic complication, but several studies suggest that COVID-19 patients show signs of the condition months after contracting the virus. One non–peer reviewed study, involving 139 health care workers who developed coronavirus infection and recovered, found that about 10 weeks after their initial symptoms, 37 percent of them were diagnosed with myocarditis or myopericarditis ...

Any such cardiac sequelae lingering weeks to months after the fact is clearly concerning, and we’re seeing more evidence of it. A German study found that 78 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients, the majority of whom had only mild to moderate symptoms, demonstrated cardiac involvement more than two months after their initial diagnoses. Six in 10 were found to have persistent myocardial inflammation. While emphasizing that individual patients need not be nervous, lead investigator Elike Nagel added in an e-mail, “My personal take is that COVID will increase the incidence of heart failure over the next decades.”

Samuel called it “extremely dangerous” for athletes diagnosed with myocarditis to play competitive sports for at least three to six months, because of the risk of serious arrhythmia or sudden death, and several athletes already have made the decision to heed those dire warnings.

And for the rest of us? Wear a mask, social distance, avoid large gatherings, and spend more time in the great outdoors. I would echo the advice of J.N.: “Be careful. Just don’t get the virus in the beginning.” As of today, it’s still the best defense we’ve got.

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COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms

A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus

We’ve also known for a while that some COVID-19 patients’ hearts are taking a beating, too—but over the past few weeks, the evidence has strengthened that cardiac damage can happen even among people who have never displayed symptoms of coronavirus infection. And these frightening findings help explain why college and professional sports leagues are proceeding with special caution as they make decisions about whether or not to play.

More than a dozen athletes at Power Five conference schools have been identified as having myocardial injury following coronavirus infection, according to ESPN; two of the conferences—the Big Ten and the Pac-12—already have announced they are postponing all competitive sports until 2021. And in Major League Baseball, Boston Red Sox ace pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez told reporters that he felt “100 years old” as a result of his bout with COVID, and of MLB’s shortened season because of myocarditis—an inflammation of the heart muscle, often triggered by a virus. Said Rodriguez: “That’s [the heart is] the most important part of your body, so when you hear that … I was kind of scared a little. Now that I know what it is, it’s still scary.”

Why are these athletes (and their leagues and conferences) taking such extreme precautions? It’s because of the stakes. Though it often resolves without incident, myocarditis can lead to severe complications such as abnormal heart rhythms, chronic heart failure and even sudden death.

Here’s the background: Myocarditis appears to result from the direct infection of the virus attacking the heart, or possibly as a consequence of the inflammation triggered by the body’s overly aggressive immune response. And it is not age-specific: In The Lancet, doctors recently reported on an 11-year-old child with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C)—a rare illness—who died of myocarditis and heart failure. At autopsy, pathologists were able to identify coronavirus particles present in the child’s cardiac tissue, helping to explain the virus’ direct involvement in her death. In fact, researchers are reporting the presence of viral protein in the actual heart muscle, of six deceased patients. Of note is the fact that these patients were documented to have died of lung failure, having had neither clinical signs of heart involvement, nor a prior history of cardiac disease.

Ossama Samuel, associate chief of cardiology at Mount Sinai Beth Israel in New York, told me about a cluster of younger adults developing myocarditis, some of them a month or so after they had recovered from COVID-19. One patient, who developed myocarditis four weeks after believing he had recovered from the virus, responded to a course of steroid treatment only to develop a recurrence in the form of pericarditis (an inflammation of the sac surrounding the heart). A second patient, in her 40s, now has reduced heart function from myocarditis, and a third—an athletic man in his 40s—is experiencing recurring and dangerous ventricular heart rhythms, necessitating that he wear a LifeVest defibrillator for protection. His MRI also demonstrates fibrosis and scarring of his heart muscle, which may be permanent, and he may ultimately require placement of a permanent defibrillator.

J.N. ... told me that COVID-19 symptoms first appeared in his case in late March. ... Just 34 years old, he was diagnosed with COVID-induced myocarditis and severe heart failure. Doctors admitted him to the intensive care unit and placed him on a lifesaving intra-aortic balloon pump due to the very poor function of his heart. He spent two weeks in the hospital, has suffered recurrences since his discharge, and now says, “I’m very careful. I’m very concerned about the length of time I’ve been feeling sick, and if these symptoms are lifelong or will go away anytime soon.” J.N. said that everyday activities, like carrying his one-year-old daughter up a flight of stairs, leave him feeling winded and fatigued. He has been unable to work since March

Experts estimate that half of myocarditis cases resolve without a chronic complication, but several studies suggest that COVID-19 patients show signs of the condition months after contracting the virus. One non–peer reviewed study, involving 139 health care workers who developed coronavirus infection and recovered, found that about 10 weeks after their initial symptoms, 37 percent of them were diagnosed with myocarditis or myopericarditis ...

Any such cardiac sequelae lingering weeks to months after the fact is clearly concerning, and we’re seeing more evidence of it. A German study found that 78 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients, the majority of whom had only mild to moderate symptoms, demonstrated cardiac involvement more than two months after their initial diagnoses. Six in 10 were found to have persistent myocardial inflammation. While emphasizing that individual patients need not be nervous, lead investigator Elike Nagel added in an e-mail, “My personal take is that COVID will increase the incidence of heart failure over the next decades.”

Samuel called it “extremely dangerous” for athletes diagnosed with myocarditis to play competitive sports for at least three to six months, because of the risk of serious arrhythmia or sudden death, and several athletes already have made the decision to heed those dire warnings.

And for the rest of us? Wear a mask, social distance, avoid large gatherings, and spend more time in the great outdoors. I would echo the advice of J.N.: “Be careful. Just don’t get the virus in the beginning.” As of today, it’s still the best defense we’ve got.

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Thanks Kiki, for continuing to update this thread - fascinating to read. It's hard to get actual verifiable, trustable medical detail amongst all the muck that is today's Internet, so I read this thread instead.

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This last part has been what we've followed since March:
"And for the rest of us? Wear a mask, social distance, avoid large gatherings, and spend more time in the great outdoors. I would echo the advice of J.N.: “Be careful. Just don’t get the virus in the beginning.” As of today, it’s still the best defense we’ve got."

It seems deceptively simple, painless, easy and cheap, and yet so many people (10s of thousands? millions?) just can't seem to do it. "No!" I suspect they have trouble putting their socks on in the morning as well. Having said that, I do not like to wear a mask. I really don't get why, but I do understand the reluctance. Someone should write a paper about it.

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I hope you mean TRUMP has better extend unemployment! Because democrats are in no position to make that happen!

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The link below is to an article that gives a pretty good summary of what we know so far about long-term and permanent organ damage - especially heart damage - in people who've had COVID-19 (even mild and asymptomatic cases). It also has a number of links to original information.

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... the herd immunity–building approach has another major problem, only recently realized: The long-term health impact the coronavirus can have on victim's hearts. Troublingly, even those who seem to have less-pronounced COVID-19 symptoms or no symptoms at all may discover that they have heart issues later.

"That's certainly the concern, even for people who have a relatively benign infection ... (said) Dr. Thomas Maddox ... "... like we saw with the German study, sometimes even those folks, at least a subset, may have long-term cardiac damage. It was really concerning that about 80 percent of people had some evidence of scarring or some swelling in the heart," Maddox said. "Even if they hadn't necessarily been that sick."

The study Maddox is referring to was published in JAMA Cardiology by German researchers in July. The study, which used Cardiac Magnetic Resonance (CMR) imaging in 100 recently-recovered COVID-19 patients, identified ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 percent of the recovering volunteers. In total, 78 percent had abnormal CMR findings. "These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19," the authors state in the study.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaca
rdiology/fullarticle/2768916?guestAcces
sKey=698ebd4c-5c29-4069-9ef6-8839bcbc07
de&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=ref
erral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tf
l&utm_term=072720

A separate autopsy study by a different group of German researchers had similar findings, in that the coronavirus had affected COVID-19 patients' hearts.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacar
diology/fullarticle/2768914

"We believe that the heart can be affected by COVID in a couple of ways," Maddox said. "One is that the infection and stress resulting from an infection can cause injury to the heart, just almost as a bystander effect with the heart working so hard to fight off the overall viral infection that can cause damage." The second, Maddox said, that there might be some "direct viral invasion," although the evidence of that doesn't necessarily stack up. A third concern is for people who have severe symptoms, there could be an overreaction of the immune system attacking the heart. The fourth is related to clotting in the body.

As Scientific American recently reported, a growing body of research suggests COVID-19 has detrimental long-term effects on the heart, even among very healthy young people.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti
cle/covid-19-can-wreck-your-heart-eve
n-if-you-havent-had-any-symptoms/

"It looks like there's long-term lung damage, and this affects various organ systems," Maddox said. "So I think we want to be careful of being too cavalier and saying, 'Oh, throw everybody together and get everybody infected, we'll get enough antibodies circulating to protect everyone,' because I don't think it's that simple."

"I think there may be a fairly large number of people who would have long-term health problems, if we adopted that strategy," Maddox added.

https://www.salon.com/2020/04/05/what-it-fe
els-like-to-survive-covid-19s-dreaded-cytokine-storm/

https://www.salon.com/2020/09/02/trump-scott-at
las-herd-immunity-heart-health-coronavirus-card
iovascular-problems/

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potential superspreader events


25 February 2020 mardi gras

nn March 2020 spring break

nn May 2020 many states reopen

25 May 2020 memorial day

26 May - 23 June 2020 floyd protests

4 July 2020 independence day

7-16 August 2020 sturgis

mid August 2020 reopening schools

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What's going on with the AstraZeneca/ Oxford vaccine trial ...

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Good luck with those vaccines. I'll let you guys try them for about 20 years and sit back and watch the side effects before that needle is getting anywhere close to me.

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Good luck with those vaccines. I'll let you guys try them for about 20 years and sit back and watch the side effects before that needle is getting anywhere close to me.

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lol... yeah, says the smoker. You can't make this sh*t up.

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