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He asked his wife, Ann, what he should do. Speak out, she said. “You don’t want to wake up in a year and see the body count and know that you didn’t do all you could to prevent it.”

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As for requiring people to get vaccinated before going back to work?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/require-covid-19-vaccine-for-work-retu
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57% of workers support a mandatory Covid-19 vaccine for return to office: CNBC Survey

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Confidence in coronavirus vaccines has grown with majority now saying they want it
In a Pew Research Center poll* published Friday, 69 percent of U.S. adults surveyed between Feb. 16 and Feb. 21 said they had either already received the vaccine or intended to get the vaccine, an increase from 60 percent who said they planned to get vaccinated in November.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/confidence-in-coronavirus-vacc
ines-has-grown-with-majority-now-saying-they-want-it/ar-BB1ejVFo
* March 5, 2021 Growing Share of Americans Say They Plan To Get a COVID-19 Vaccine – or Already Have
77% think vaccinations will benefit U.S. economy

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I was hoping to sit down in a concentrated session and read these as a body, but that's not going to happen soon. So I'll go through them one by one as I have time.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/Peter-Hotez-fight-for-sc
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He asked his wife, Ann, what he should do. Speak out, she said. “You don’t want to wake up in a year and see the body count and know that you didn’t do all you could to prevent it.”

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Behind a paywall.

alternate source
https://www.pressreader.com/usa/san-antonio-express-news-sunday/202102
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??? It's a very truncated story about a vaccine expert in Texas. I'm not sure what 'sentiment' you're referring to. You'll have to spell it out for me to address it.

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Well, that was "Updated Fri, Dec 18 2020". But in the roughly 3 months since then, attitudes about vaccines may have changed. A lot of people weren't against vaccines pe se - what they were against was going first - being the guinea pigs so to speak. As experience with the vaccines grows, so do people's attitudes.

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Unfortunately I didn't find any equivalent polls about what people think about the workplace and mandatory vaccines. What I DO think is that employers are not really in the habit of caring about what the employees want. So I'm not sure how relevant an opinion poll about that would be.

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What Are Vaccine Passports and How Would They Work?
By Iain Marlow and Jason Gale | Bloomberg

With millions being vaccinated against Covid-19 every day, some political and business leaders are suggesting nations can help get life back to normal by rolling out a so-called vaccine passport: an easily accessible and verifiable certification that a person’s been inoculated. Private companies are already beginning to look at making shots mandatory for people who want to get on planes, cruise ships or attend events such as concerts. A handful of projects from governments, private firms and international associations are currently underway. But the idea raises scientific and ethical questions.

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Reggie Wade

It’s no secret that people have an array of opinions when it comes to the COVID-19 vaccine. According to a recent survey from online job site Glassdoor, a whopping 70% of employees believe that they should be required to get a vaccine before returning to the office.

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SC lawmakers debating bill to make sure all COVID-19 vaccinations are voluntary



COLUMBIA, S.C. (WCSC) - There is no state mandate in South Carolina for anyone to get the COVID-19 vaccine, but some South Carolinians are worried their jobs will force them to get the shot.

More than half of all South Carolinians will be eligible to receive the COVID-19 vaccine once the state transitions into phase 1B on March 8.

While some will be rushing to get the vaccine, others are praying the vaccine will not be forced on them.

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Will the COVID-19 Vaccine Be Mandatory for Kids?

With three COVID-19 vaccines approved for emergency use authorization, many parents are wondering if vaccination will be mandated by the government, schools, or employers. Here’s what you need to know.

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'Vaccine passports': Will I need one for going out, work and travel?

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No jab, no job: As British companies move to mandate coronavirus vaccines for employees, discrimination fears mount

Some British companies are planning to give their workers a stark choice this year: Accept the coronavirus vaccine or lose your job.
Labor rights groups have come out against the policy, dubbed “jabs for jobs,” arguing that mandatory vaccines would not stop the spread of the virus but could lead to discrimination on socio-economic and ethnic grounds.

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6 - The "sentiment" is that there are stories all over the place where people are suggesting that we need to require people to be vaccinated before they go back to work, or kids to be vaccinated before they go back to school. Short of that, we need to try our best to DEEPLY shame anyone who won't get them otherwise we will feel the guilt that more people died and we sat back and did nothing about it.

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k - Well, that was "Updated Fri, Dec 18 2020". But in the roughly 3 months since then, attitudes about vaccines may have changed. A lot of people weren't against vaccines pe se - what they were against was going first - being the guinea pigs so to speak. As experience with the vaccines grows, so do people's attitudes.

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6 - The number of people so terrified of the virus that they'll do anything to get the shot hasn't grown. But the number of people who are so desperate to get back to life before Covid has. For them, getting this shot and just getting it over with is the decision they've made out of that desperation.

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6 - My point is that it's no different to for a company to force vaccination mandates on the employees than it is for a company to silence free speech. Both of them let the government off the hook for it. One can't argue that one is wrong and the other is completely a-okay.

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That vaccines are a good thing?

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She said something to her husband that resonated with him, since he truly WAS in a position to do something about SARS-CoV-2, due to his professional expertise and standing, as well as his business resources.

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I think 'guilt' only works if people recognize a truth in it. I would feel guilty if I decided to just not care about COVID-19, and then I carried COVID-19 to a vulnerable person who subsequently had serious consequences - death, an ICU ordeal, or even a mild case followed by long COVID. Because, well, I would be guilty of doing that - of causing harm to others through my choices.

How about you?

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Anyway, in moving past the first article to the next one, no, it doesn't support your contention that people are being 'guilted'.

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Since I promised I'd read those links, I'll continue to do that and post my opinions.

But since you don't think COVID-19 exists, I can't see actively discussing this further.

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STEP 3: Guilt the shit of the remaining people. Not all of them will be guilted into it. But some of them will.

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I never said anything about requiring people to get vaccinated, or even said 'people' 'should' do it. I only spoke for myself and what I would feel.

Do you think you can speak for just yourself, instead of speaking for me and posting that I said things I never said?

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Keeping Your Vaccine Records Up to Date
How to Locate Your Vaccination Records
Unfortunately, there is no national organization that maintains vaccination records. The CDC does not have this information. The records that exist are the ones you or your parents were given when the vaccines were administered and the ones in the medical record of the doctor or clinic where the vaccines were given.
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What to do if you lose your COVID-19 vaccine card
Go back to where you got inoculated if you misplace your paper card.
The CDC is not collecting information on who received COVID-19 vaccines, meaning the paper card also works as proof that you've gotten your shot.
https://news.yahoo.com/lose-covid-19-vaccine-card-151700052.html

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But fwiw I see a lot of the emotional trauma that your mommy dearest put you through. I imagine she made you feel guilty if your brother was having a rough time neurologically. And maybe she even beat you over the care you were giving him. And now, you see it everywhere, even where it doesn't exist.

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It's the same old story around the globe. More cases here, more hospitalizations, and more deaths ... and fewer cases and so on elsewhere.

As sad as it is, nothing is going to change that scenario until the countries get together to finally end it, like they got together to end smallpox.

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Compared to the mRNA vaccines, Johnson & Johnson used a different approach to guard against SARS-2 proteins in your body. J&J’s vaccine was created from what is known as a viral vectored vaccine, where human cells are instructed to make the SARS-2 spike protein, which then triggers an immune response. This approach has been used in a number of vaccines across the years, including the Ebola vaccine from the early 2000s.

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Yes, Sputnik-V is virus-vectored, as are AstraZeneca, J&J, and a few others. They're in DNA form, and attached to the DNA of a modified adenovirus (modified to not be able to reproduce). AFAIK what makes AZ's different is that they used a chimpanzee adenovirus rather than a human one.

Their mode of action is more complex than the RNA vaccines, since the DNA needs to be incorporated into the nucleus where DNA->RNA translators are found. However they are NOT retroviruses and they do NOT insert themselves into human DNA. Once the RNA is created and moved into the cytoplasm, the various vaccines work the same way. (Note that each vaccine probably targets a slightly different portion of the spike protein, so they'll be some immunity differences.)

But since DNA is double-stranded, and it's further encapsulated into the adenovirus, it's FAR more stable on only needs average refrigeration temperatures.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What she told her husband is what the media is suggesting that EVERYONE who is getting vaccinated do to anybody who isn't getting vaccinated. And also doing to them what she did to him.

Guilt them.

Guilting him to guilt them.



Here's the steps, if you missed me talk about them before.


STEP 1: Give the vaccine to the 50 to 60% of people who are terrified of the virus and would do anything to get it.

STEP 2: Give the vaccine to the 15 to 20% of people who are just so f-ing tired of how we've been forced to live the last year that they just want it to go away and will get vaccinated so they can get back to their old lives.

(Steps one and two will have quite a bit of overlap, both in the timeframe and/or like-mindedness.)

STEP 3: Guilt the shit of the remaining people. Not all of them will be guilted into it. But some of them will.

STEP 4: Ruin the lives of people who still refuse. This can be done, and will be done, in a variety of ways. (This can only begin once there is a legitimate surplus of vaccinations without any remaining demand for them).

One of the biggest will be by allowing corporations to force vaccinations otherwise face termination from your job (the article from South Carolina I posted earlier today is actually about a bill being considered in the state to PROHIBIT companies in the state from doing this).

But then there's just the general guilting that will never end until the media stops talking about it. If you haven't been paying attention to the way these things work online the last few years, that guilting will quickly turn to HATE. This is going to make for a very hostile work environment for many people at this point. Imagine the RWED, but in a live office setting... in every workplace around the country. (and with weak-minded, terrified people truly believing that somebody like me is threatening their life by my mere presence in front of them without having had the shots).

If they really want to make the issue bad, they'll start instituting an ID card... maybe even provide you with a handy little lanyard to wear it like a dog collar whenever you leave your home.

Worst case is that when enough people have already gotten it and the rest refuse that the Legacy Media starts referring to those who resist vaccination as Bio Terrorists.

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I'm fairly confident that I won't be able to get a job once they start forcing vaccines anyhow.
I'm not going to get one. And I will die on that hill if necessary.

SIGNY: Well, that's your problem.

SIX: Not only mine.
It will take a long time for my money to run out and become desperate.
And there's probably a couple of million people who are a lot more fond of fighting than I am too.
Seems my predictions were right about this. Didn't take long for you to jump right on board with the IDs for work, huh?

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Well, I don't think "the government" is going to frog-march you into the vaccination center. It will be businesses that will require it before you can get a job, or ... anything. Not because "gubmint" told them so but because they want their customers back.

So are you and the people you claim are on your side going to burn down the nearest Walmart, or Walgreens, like Antifa/BLM?

Good luck with that.

Frankly, I don't care whether you get vaccinated or not. I got mine, and I feel fine. And safer than before. And if there are anti-vaxxers running around with their hair on fire, so what? Not my problem. Your choice. YOUR problem.

So, do you suppose we can start talking about Biden* now?

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You're a hypocrite.

You have no problem with businesses raping people with a needle, but you DO have a problem with businesses curbing the freedom of speech.

Hypocrite. Just like Second.

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Oh, and I should add to my reply to sigs, since she asked me a few questions that I didn't answer.

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Not me. I already put in my previous reply that it will take a far longer time than most before I became desperate.

And also, why do you think it would be some sort of "joke" like Antifa/BLM. We're talking about militant militia groups here. Some of them with at least a screw or two loose. If I had to guess, it's going to look a lot more like the Las Vegas incident a few years back but on methamphetamines.

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I should state AGAIN that I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

I am anti THIS vaccine. And I'm anti people being barred from life unless they do exactly as they're told. Period.

I shouldn't have to repeat myself for YOU about this Sigs, but if you're going start being a hypocrite and behave like Second and Ted when it's about something you have strong feelings about, I feel like I'm obliged to separate myself from actual anti-vaxxers that are no doubt out there and are going to end up doing things that are A LOT scarier than anything that happened over the last year.

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You're not hearing the dissent online. The media won't report on it and social media removes it as fast as it's posted.

Everybody can pretend that it doesn't exist until it's too late.

Just like everything else.


In the mean time, you're making excuses for our government using corporations to enact their will and skirt around personal freedom because you happen to agree with it this time.

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My position is crystal clear, and I'm not going to repeat myself. I'm not your dancing monkey.


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PSA: Don't click on any links in Second's posts. He's trying to fish your private information out of you.

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Jack, the government using corporations to skirt the Constitution IS NOT NEW.

It's been going on at least since the US PATRIOT ACT v1, the US wiretap at the San Fran AT&T telephone offices, and the US government 'data center' at Utah, all of which got a lot of discussion and reference.

You're just late to the party. I suspect that's because you were SO buried in your state of denial (to deal with your paranoia-triggered anxiety), you decided it didn't matter back then, and you intentionally wrote it off.

**NOW** - when it's about something that's actually penetrated your denial - you've finally come around.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
It went all the way back to the government using Pinkerton to bust up unions for business, yellow journalism to whip up war frenzy, etc.

SUX, if you've already answered my ?? about how measles vaccine is different from Civid-19 vaccine, I must have missed it. The rationale for vaccination is the same inbith cases. So, what's the diff?

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