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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Putting you on 'ignore'.

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ignore verb

ig·?nore | \ ig-'n?r\

ignored; ignoring
Definition of ignore

transitive verb
1 : to refuse to take notice of
2 : to reject (a bill of indictment) as ungrounded

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Three-quarters of adults with COVID-19 have heart damage after recovery
UPI.

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/07/27/Three-quarters-of-adults-wi
th-COVID-19-have-heart-damage-after-recovery/5451595856303/



COVID-19 infections leave an impact on the heart, raising concerns about lasting damage

https://www.boston.com/news/health/2020/07/27/coronavirus-heart



Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Findings In this cohort study including 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis.

Results Of the 100 included patients, 53 (53%) were male, and the median (interquartile range [IQR]) age was 49 (45-53) years. The median (IQR) time interval between COVID-19 diagnosis and CMR was 71 (64-92) days (more than two months later). Of the 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19, 67 (67%) recovered at home, while 33 (33%) required hospitalization. At the time of CMR, high-sensitivity troponin T (hsTnT) was detectable (3 pg/mL or greater) in 71 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 (71%) and significantly elevated (13.9 pg/mL or greater) in 5 patients (5%). Compared with healthy controls and risk factor–matched controls, patients recently recovered from COVID-19 had lower left ventricular ejection fraction, higher left ventricle volumes, higher left ventricle mass, and raised native T1 and T2. A total of 78 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 (78%) had abnormal CMR findings, including raised myocardial native T1 (n?=?73), raised myocardial native T2 (n?=?60), myocardial late gadolinium enhancement (n?=?32), and pericardial enhancement (n?=?22).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916



Association of Cardiac Infection With SARS-CoV-2 in Confirmed COVID-19 Autopsy Cases

Findings In this cohort study of 39 autopsy cases of patients with COVID-19, cardiac infection with SARS-CoV-2 was found to be frequent but not associated with myocarditislike influx of inflammatory cells into the myocardium.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768914



Some patients who survive COVID-19 may suffer lasting lung damage

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-some-patients
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Temporal Changes of CT Findings in 90 Patients with COVID-19 Pneumonia: A Longitudinal Study

Key Results
¦ Sixty-six of the 70 discharged patients (94%) had residual disease on final CT scans, with ground-glass opacity the most common pattern.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768914

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I also posted about a study where the HCQ-caused cardiac arrhythmias were appropriately controlled for, which did show a positive effect with HCQ. And I've pointed out - more than once - that none of the trials used zinc, which one would seem to want, in order to study the full effects.

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And that's how JACK can claim I'm 'afraid' and that I'm for 'full government control over everything'. And how you can fail to see my many posts that don't line up with your biases.

Well, enough about you. This is supposed to be RWE after all.



I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK - and JSF - over the edge with too much reality.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
In layman's terms, what do you think is the "damage" that is being talked about?
Muscle damage? damage to the electrical conduits (synapses, chemical balance of conductive pathway), cartilage or ligaments, valves, synchronization of the functions?

I'm not sure what the broken glass imagery suggests - perhaps deposits in the muscle? Or damaged/dead muscle fibers?

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I also posted about a study where the HCQ-caused cardiac arrhythmias were appropriately controlled for, which did show a positive effect with HCQ. And I've pointed out - more than once - that none of the trials used zinc, which one would seem to want, in order to study the full effects.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Here's a link for you, Dummy.

https://people.com/food/world-face-multiple-famines-biblical-proportio
ns-coronavirus-crisis/

I know you don't take stuff I post seriously without one, and I don't usually care, but since male suicides in our country are of no concern for you, here's the prelude to an insane amount of people who are going to die of hunger just so you don't get a wittle cold. Boo hoo.

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UN Leader Says the World Could Face 'Famines of Biblical Proportions' amid Coronavirus Crisis

“While dealing with a COVID-19 pandemic, we are also on the brink of a hunger pandemic,” David Beasley, the director of the UN World Food Program warned

As the world continues to battle the coronavirus pandemic, the United Nations is warning that without action, the world is at risk of numerous famines “of biblical proportions” in the near future.

He explained that famines could be seen “in about three dozen countries,” ten of which already have more than 1 million people on the verge of starvation.

“There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself,” he warned.

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lol

I'm right again. Imagine that.


And yes... I did mention this the other day repeatedly, but it was ignored by both of you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
In layman's terms, what do you think is the "damage" that is being talked about?
Muscle damage? damage to the electrical conduits (synapses, chemical balance of conductive pathway), cartilage or ligaments, valves, synchronization of the functions?

I'm not sure what the broken glass imagery suggests - perhaps deposits in the muscle? Or damaged/dead muscle fibers?

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There seem to be several different types of damage indicated by different types of observations.

One is damage to the heart's muscle fibers (which are elongated muscle cells), such that they leak their contents into the bloodstream - troponin-T is one such indicator. It was found in 70 of 100 patients 2 months after infection, indicating the heart muscle cells were still damaged and leaking, and had failed to heal. Another is induction of heart failure - indicated by "lower left ventricular ejection fraction, higher left ventricle volumes ...". In other words, the part of the heart that pumps blood to the body doesn't squeeze very well and a lot of blood is left in the heart (lower lv ejection fraction), and it got stretched out and kind of baggy (higher lv volume). Heart failure is a generally poorly understood (or treated) progressive and fatal heart condition, where the heart progressively fails to pump blood very well. Whether or not either of these post-COVID-19 issues is recoverable or permanent is to be seen.

The other is actual virus infection of the heart muscle itself, indicated by finding reproducing virus on autopsy.

The 'ground glass' finding indicates that the small sacs where air gets exchanged - the alveoli - are uniformly filled with fluid over large lung areas. It's a uniform whitish haze over the lungs - like looking at ground glass. This is as opposed to a more limited, solid opacity, with harder edges, like you might get from a tumor.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Herman Cain was dying of stage 4 colon cancer.

Discuss.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

One thing that Chris Martenson keeps mentioning is the presence of micro emboli. If you have little clots clogging up the small vessels feeding your heart, OF COURSE you'll have heart damage. And lung and kidney and CNS damage too,

In some cases the clotting gets so bad it progresses to DIC.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/hopeful-covid-19-research-no
t-one-but-two-vaccines-show-promise

Hopeful COVID-19 research: Not one but two vaccines show promise

Oxford vaccine trial results ‘as good as one could expect’
Chinese vaccine ‘also worked,’ but there are caveats

IMO there are caveats to all vaccines for this virus.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But I will address it.

According to records, Herman Cain had been SUCCESSFULLY TREATED for stage IV colon cancer in 2006. Yes, it is possible: One of my dog-walking friends was also successfully treated for Stage IV colon cancer eight years ago, so it's clear that she won't be "dying of cancer" any time soon, and neither was Herman Cain.

When he was hospitalized it was for difficulty breathing. He tested positive for Covid-19. He was treated for breathing difficulties. The course of his stay in the hospital, like so many Covid-19 patients, was up, and down. Like so many Covid-19 patients he seemed to be doing better and then died suddenly.

He had attended a Trump rally shortly before becoming sick, and nobody was wearing masks, not even him, altho he was at high risk (elderly and history of cancer) of developing severe symptoms. But nobody can say for sure where he caught it.

End of story.



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Texas dropping from 10.5k to 8k over the last week (-2.5k)

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Florida dropping from 12k to 10k over 2 weeks (-2k)

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Texas dropping from 10.5k to 8k over the last week (-2.5k)

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So I looked back in the news regarding Texas and COVID-19.

On June 26, 2020 Abbott paused Texas's reopening.

Then "Gov. Greg Abbott issued an executive order on Thursday requiring Texans to wear face coverings in public in counties with 20 or more COVID-19 cases" starting July 9, 2020.

New cases plateaued between July 17-22, 2020 and started dropping after that.

It looks like Signy was right. #WEARAMASK.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The timeline between required mask-wearing and dropping case numbers (July 9, July 17) is about right since it take, on average, five days for symptoms to appear after exposure.


BTW, Louisianna also ordered statetwide masking in about the same timeframe (Jul 11) and is also experiencing a downturn in "new cases", so this isn't rocket science.

California, has required masking up since July 6, which was approximately 28 days ago. Shortly afterwards (sooner than would be exepcted) the "new cases" curve flattened and started to reduce slightly after shooting up exponentially for about 30 days prior to that. (source divoc-91) I believe the results would be even better if better masks were available: right now most people are wearing cloth masks (the garment industry has really stepped up and cloth masks are readily available) but the surgical mask really IS better.

Businesses (grocery stores, home improvement, optometrists, dentists, doctors, restaurants etc) are open but making adjustments. They all require masks of their employees and customers, and they spend time sanitizing commonly-touched surfaces. Since you can't eat with a mask on, restaurants are doing takeout.

There are a few scofflaws with no masks at all, or wearing mask on their chin or the "anti-mask" mask,who walk thru the store unchallenged (except by the stares and glares of other customers) but businesses that don't enforce masking are discussed on Nextdoor and avoided by a lot of people.

I think the future of this is going to be like South Korea. I caught a headline of a study that "Majority of cases transmitted in the home" and that was so at-odds with the USA experience (infections driven by mass events attended by superspreaders, most infected people tranmitting the virus to none or one person) that I had to read further. The study was done in S Korea, and since they have blocked off most mass/public-tranmission routes, OF COURSE most of the transmission would be at home.

Either more N95s need to be made available for vulnerable people, or they better come up with a successful treatments because this is going to be with us for a long time.


Altho I do take hope from what you said KIKI: since there appears to be no wild host and this is a purely human disease (well, except a few cats) it COULD be wiped out entirely, existing as only samples in vials in liquid nitrogen. We're driving so many other species to extinction, we could extinguish this too, if we wanted to.


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So, let me clarify: Martenson still advocates masking and handwashing, but what he's saying is that if you implement strict lockdown measures, all you're doing is delaying the "first wave". I've been wondering about that myself: all nations, whether they lockdown or "let 'er rip" -or something in-between- seem to have some inherent number of people who're going to die, it's only a question of "when".

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