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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:29 AM

SIGNYM

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Oh, I agree ... it's scrambled all right.

I like some of what he does with the data ... for example, calculating per capita instead of raw amounts

Also, attempting to find the first and second derivative. I don't know if he's so mathematically naive that he doesn't reaize what he was doing - or he obscures the math so the reader doesn't get lost, but that's his point.

But then he veers into SECOND-land... posting points that are so self contradictory (also, contradictory to observe fact) that he undercuts his own argument. For example, he makes a point that the virus is not spread by aerosolized droplets (a contention directly disputed by many studies including the Chinese bus study) but also that "young people" aren't able to "bring the virus home" and that it is virtually impossible to catch the virus even when you're living with someone who's sick ...but if all of that is true, why did SO MANY old people in Italy get sick and die?? What were they doing ... licking public handrails and doorknobs? Most of the time, what he posts is so off-the-wall biased that it hardly deserves discussion.

But he DOES bring up the need for more testing. And your posts, KIKI, have brought home the problem with lack of mandatory, centralized reporting. Because while local testing can guide local decisions, the lack of a centralized repository of data makes it EXTREMELY difficult to track and understand the simplest things like ... who is at risk? Do we need a lockdown? What treatment options seem to work better? ... that it negates the advantage of decentralized response (When a centralized government makes all of the decisions, it can fuck up globally. But a decentralized approach allows different regions to attempt different options, not only allowing for a potentially beter "fit" for regional conditions but also freedom to experiment a bit with alternate emphasis on testing, isolation, and treatment. But that advantage is lost unless different states can see and evaluate the results of what other states have done. Hence, the need for required reporting. People ... doctors, medical directors and so forth ... shouldn't have to have their minions picking thru local newspapers to find out what's up.)



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Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:47 AM

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How can the testing situation become so incredibly FUBARED? Is it overwhelming demand? Inability to prioritize testing? Kits that don't work? Desire NOT to see the results? Concern that the testing situation is mixing the worried well with the truly sick?

Isn't it a little late to wait until someone is hospitalized until they're tested? If they have Covid-19, shouldn't they be put into a negative pressure isolation unit immediately??

WTF do you think is going on?


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It's shortages ... shortages of test kits, and of masks, gowns, and gloves to safely do the testing; and an unwillingness to risk medical people by doing unsafe testing when they are, and will be, needed elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if was also long turn-around-times because the US doesn't have high-volume testing capabilities. Many different laboratories are all siloed with their own different mix of equipment and instrumentation geared towards flexible but EXTREMELY low-volume 'specialty testing'.





I think it's hilarious that we've got probably thousands or maybe even tens of thousands of facilities that are on the ready to give a urinalysis and almost immediate results to future employers about us working class sheep to make sure that we're not smoking weed, but nobody can seem to get testing for something that's actually a problem done.

Maybe in light of the fact that weed is being legalized for recreational use in more and more places across the country, we should start considering re-purposing those facilities.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:59 AM

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SIX: Unlike people who have immediately gone from viewing the government by its own nature as an enemy of the people to their savior when they get panicked, just like our Forefathers warned us against, I will never, EVER waver on that issue.

SIGNYM: And that means that you're ideologically-possessed.
I'm not one to say that government is ALWAYS the solution. OTOH I wouldn't say that government is NEVER the solution either. That's the difference between you and me: You don't allow reality to intrude on your ideology, which is pretty much what I've been saying all along. That, and you're pretty self-centered.
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SIX: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Oh jeez, now you sound just like WISHY. SHE'S willing to sacrifie millions ... billions ... on her altar of "liberty" and so, apparently, are you. No wonder you argue so much: you're very much the same.



No. Your numbers are bad. For 15 Million people to die, you're basing them on 4.6% of people getting the virus dying if we all got infected, when it's much more likely to be only. .1%.

Kiki's numbers at 1.4% are also bad, but at least they're in the ballpark of the Johns Hopkins current ratios. I don't know how she's getting the numbers wrong since it looks like she's getting the info from the same place as I am. Maybe it's time to buy a new calculator.

But yours aren't even based in reality from what I can see.



So, technically, if we went based off of the current percentage of 1.271%, you would be right by saying that I'm willing to sacrafice millions of people for Liberty. Because that would be roughly 4,131,000 people if we all got it.

But that's not what I'm saying. That percentage is going to go down... assuming they actually want it to go down and ensure that testing ramps up instead of shutting down.

But do they really want them to go down?

I dunno. I could see why they wouldn't. Even at the severly inflated number of 1.271%, that's a potential for over 4 Million people to die. Cut that in half by Friday with good testing practices making their way across the country and even 2 Million still sounds scary.

But the problem now is... Nobody wants to hear that the DOW and the entire economy got destroyed over nothing. Nobody wants to hear that their entire lives have changed over nothing. Nobody wants to hear that they lost their jobs and their kids were pulled out of school for 2 months for nothing.


Without data, we'll never truly know, and the sheep will believe the Legacy Media talking heads pushing their CovidGate nonsense numbers, because there won't be any numbers out there saying otherwise.

But test everybody and get that number down to .1% and somebody has a lot to answer for.


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Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:11 PM

SIGNYM

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SIX, I told you how I got my figure. I took the USA population profile and multipliedit by the Chinese case fatality rate, which so far is the only comprehensive rate categorized by age, and then multiplied THAT by 0.8 because I figure not everyone will get infected (and at that percent, we've achieved "herd immuity" anyhow). I assumed that it would all happen in one year. BTW, I heard a better figure on how long it would take to get to 80% infected, and that's two years, not one year, so that becomes 7.5 million in one year.

So quite possibly the Chinese case fatality rate overstated because they were constrained by lack of testing, so they don't know the TRUE rate. That's very possible

Let's use another figure, and that's at the number of people keeling over in a day in Italy ... which, as of yesterday was 800 (292,000 annualized) and still seems to be going up. Since Italy has entered a lockdown, presumably the daily death toll will reduce in a couple of weeks, and since I'm looking at the results of "do nothing" approach I'm going to use the maximum daily death toll which is 800 so far. Assuing that they keep ripping along at that rate (by doing nothing) for two years, until they achieve herd immunity in two years, they will have lost slighlty less than 1% (0.97%) of their population of approx 60 million.

In the USA, with a population of 327 million, that translates to 3,180,000 in two years, or about 1.6 million per year.

All right. Let's assume the USA's population isn't as old as Italy's*. Let's assume that OUR death rate is half of theirs. By "doing nothing" there will be 1.6 million dead in two years, or 800,000 per year. (*Altho I think our YOUNGER population is overall sicker: fatter, more diabetic, more homeless etc than Italy's so our YOUNGER population might die faster than theirs.)

I think, no matter how I look at these numbers, the total death toll in the USA from "doing nothing" is "hundreds of thousands to millions", not "thousands to tens of thousands".

I'll bet SOMEBODY has better figures than me. Maybe the Royal College of London's reportwould be a good place to start.

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:41 PM

1KIKI

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I think it's hilarious that we've got probably thousands or maybe even tens of thousands of facilities that are on the ready to give a urinalysis and almost immediate results to future employers about us working class sheep to make sure that we're not smoking weed, but nobody can seem to get testing for something that's actually a problem done.
Those 2 categories of tests are completely different technologies.

But let me give you some history on drug testing, and you'll see one example of how our medical system is so fucked up.

Back in the day, doctors and hospitals got reimbursed for whatever they did for patients, whether patients needed it or not, and whether they actually did it or not. Pay-for-service medicine was a gravy train and a lot of people were riding on it with unneeded expensive treatments, surgeries etc, and sometimes just outright fraud. Then somebody decided to limit reimbursement per-diagnosis. So the government figured out that the average heart-failure case (for example) would 'require' only so many days in the hospital, and that it would pay for only so many days in the hospital, no matter what. There were a lot of pitfalls with that scheme, among them that it couldn't - and therefore didn't - account for co-morbid conditions that might exacerbate each other, like diabetes, peripheral artery disease, and gangrene all at the same time. You got reimbursed for only one condition . BTW that has led to a LOT of what's called 'upcoding' which means that a simple dizzy spell might be called chronic labyrinthitis in order to be reimbursed at a higher rate, and that in turn has scrambled many a patient record. But I digress ...
Those limits - DRGs, diagnosis related groups - turned medicine from a profit center to a loss center.
So how to make money ... it was discovered that laboratories could be turned into big-money profit centers with - TA DA !! - DRUG TESTING !!
So in large part due to republican-pushed anti-drug measures, and the eager lobbying of the medical field, high-volume drug testing was born. And, ever eager to make a buck, American private business soon started investing in non-hospital testing facilities to get in on the riches.

And that's why you have so many places eager to run those high-volume drug tests.
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Maybe in light of the fact that weed is being legalized for recreational use in more and more places across the country, we should start considering re-purposing those facilities.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Because, again, those 2 categories of tests are completely different technologies.

And there was no money to be made from it, so it was never developed.

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:02 PM

1KIKI

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when it's much more likely to be only. .1%.
You can only post that by completely writing off Wuhan and those hard-hit regions in Italy.

SARS-COV-2 is NOT LIKE 'the' flu. Wuhan, and Italy, have seen many, many flu seasons. But they've never seen anything like SARS-COV-2. They haven't needed to build multiple overnight hospitals just to manage the number of sick people. They haven't needed to use army convoys just to carry off the many thousands of dead. And unlike 'the' flu, it took SARS-COV-2 to carry off that many people - 4,000+ in one month alone in those Italian regions.

And that means that SARS-COV-2 is NOT LIKE 'THE' FLU. A simple comparison of obvious facts between SARS-COV-2 and a flu season will show you that.

BTW - I keep my posts short and highlight important stuff because you're a very careless reader.

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:44 PM

1KIKI

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:44 PM
China 81,054 +46
Italy 59,138 +5,560
USA 32,356 +8,149
Spain 28,603 +3,107
Germany 24,852 +2,488
Iran 21,638 +1,028
France 16,018 +1,559
S. Korea 8,897 +98

Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:20 PM
China 81,008 +41
Italy 53,578 +6,557
Spain 25,374 +3,803
USA 22,132 +2,749
Germany 21,854 +2,006
Iran 20,610 +966
France 12,612 ===(not reported yet)
S. Korea 8,799 +147
Switzerland 6,371 +756

Friday, March 20, 2020 2:16 PM
China 80,967 +39
Italy 47,021 +5,986
Spain 20,412 +2,335
Germany 19,711 ===(not reported yet)
Iran 19,644 +1,237
USA 16,545 +2,756
France 10,995 ===(not reported yet)
S. Korea 8,652 +87
Switzerland 5,369 +1,147

Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:13 PM
China 80,928 +34
Italy 35,713 === (not reported)
Iran 18,407 +1,046
Spain 17,395 +2,626
Germany 14,544 +2,217
USA 11,329 +2,070 161 +11
France 9,134 === (not reported)

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:48 PM

1KIKI

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I'm just roughly tracking these figures because the urls are constantly updated, and you can't to go back in time and retrieve previous numbers.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa-coronavirus/
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda75
94740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


As of March 22, 2020 at 20:27 GMT
32356 / 414

32,081 / 404

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As of March 21, 2020 at 17:10 GMT
22132 / 282

19,931 / 275

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As of March 20, 2020 at 18:05 GMT
16545 / 225

14,631 / 210

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As of March 19, 2020 at 16:59 GMT
11234 / 161

10,755/ 154

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As of March 18, 2020 at 17:36 GMT
7678 / 117

7,324 / 115

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As of March 17, 2020 at 18:11 GMT
5723 / 97

5,702 / 94

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As of March 16, 2020 at 19:34 GMT
4252 / 75

4,138 / 71

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As of March 15, 2020 at 13:45 GMT
3083 / 60

2,952 / 57

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As of March 14, 2020 at 20:20 GMT
2499 / 55

2,572 / 51

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As of March 13, 2020 at 15:55 GMT
1832 / 41

1,268 / 33

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As of March 12, 2020 at 18:15 GMT
1412 / 40

1,323 / 38

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As of March 11, 2020 at 12:10 GMT
1015 / 31

1,039 / 29

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As of March 10, 2020 at 18:30 GMT
787 / 28

804 / 28

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As of March 09, 2020
566

565

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As of March 08, 2020
464

466

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As of March 07, 2020
373

376



A factor of X60 may be applicable.

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:57 PM

1KIKI

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http://www.publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/Coronavirus/

Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:57 PM
cases 351
deaths 4

===> March 21, 2020 LACounty eliminates testing on some potential COVID-19 patients.
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Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:08 PM
cases 292
deaths 2

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Friday, March 20, 2020 2:13 PM
cases 231
deaths 2

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Wednesday, March 18, 2020 2:27 PM
cases 144
deaths 1

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Tuesday, March 17, 2020 2:37 PM
cases 94
deaths 1

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Monday, March 16, 2020 3:41 PM
cases 69
deaths 1

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Sunday, March 15, 2020 9:52 AM
cases 53
deaths 1

11 new COVID-19 cases confirmed in Los Angeles County; total now at 53
According to the public health department eight of those #COVID19 cases are likely due to community transmission. Two people with #CoronaVirus cases are hospitalized. https://t.co/S4PvlMx7At

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Saturday, March 14, 2020 4:27 PM
cases 40
deaths 1

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Friday, March 13, 2020 2:57 PM
cases 32
deaths 1

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:36 PM
cases 28
deaths 1



A factor of X60 may be applicable.

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:09 PM

1KIKI

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We'll see in 14 days how this works out.


https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/New-Release-2020.aspx

Note: The following numbers reflect information received from local health jurisdictions as of 2 p.m. PDT March 20. More current numbers may be available from local health jurisdictions.

March 22, 2020
1,468 / 27
===> March 21, 2020 LACounty eliminates testing on some potential COVID-19 patients.
March 21, 2020
1,224 / 23
March 20, 2020 1006 / 19
-> stay at home March 19, 2020 (PM)
March 19, 2020 675 / 16
March 18, 2020 288 / 5
March 13, 2020 247 / 5
March 12, 2020 53 / 1
March 2, 2020 43 / 0
February 28, 2020 10 / 0
February 26, 2020 9 / 0
February 2, 2020 6 / 0
January 31, 2020 3 / 0
January 26, 2020 2 / 0

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:34 PM

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Whatever.

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Monday, March 23, 2020 8:40 AM

SIGNYM

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Medical Worker on Covid-19: Struck me How Different it is [FROM THE FLU] when I saw Young Guy gasping out Pink Froth

https://www.juancole.com/2020/03/medical-different-gasping.html

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Monday, March 23, 2020 9:55 AM

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Medical Worker on Covid-19: Struck me How Different it is [FROM THE FLU] when I saw Young Guy gasping out Pink Froth

https://www.juancole.com/2020/03/medical-different-gasping.html



15,000+ deaths and that's the first time I heard they're frothing up what chicken mcnuggets look like before they're cooked.



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Monday, March 23, 2020 2:52 PM

1KIKI

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15,000+ deaths and that's the first time I heard they're frothing up what chicken mcnuggets look like before they're cooked.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

Pink froth is from pulmonary edema. Not that you'd know with all your 'expertise'.

Here's some more from the article:
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Since last week, he’s been running ventilators for the sickest COVID-19 patients. Many are relatively young, in their 40s and 50s, and have minimal, if any, preexisting conditions in their charts. He is overwhelmed, stunned by the manifestation of the infection, both its speed and intensity. The ICU where he works has essentially become a coronavirus unit. He estimates that his hospital has admitted dozens of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus patients. About a third have ended up on ventilators.

His hospital had not prepared for this volume before the virus first appeared. One physician had tried to raise alarms, asking about negative pressure rooms and ventilators. Most staff concluded that he was overreacting. “They thought the media was overhyping it,” the respiratory therapist told me. “In retrospect, he was right to be concerned.”

“Reading about it in the news, I knew it was going to be bad, but we deal with the flu every year so I was thinking: Well, it’s probably not that much worse than the flu. But seeing patients with COVID-19 completely changed my perspective, and it’s a lot more frightening.”

“I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”

“We have an observation unit in the hospital, and we have been admitting patients that had tested positive or are presumptive positive — these are patients that had been in contact with people who were positive. We go and check vitals on patients every four hours, and some are on a continuous cardiac monitor, so we see that their heart rate has a sudden increase or decrease, or someone goes in and sees that the patient is struggling to breathe or is unresponsive. That seems to be what happens to a lot of these patients: They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.”

“It’s called acute respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS. That means the lungs are filled with fluid. And it’s notable for the way the X-ray looks: The entire lung is basically whited out from fluid. Patients with ARDS are extremely difficult to oxygenate. It has a really high mortality rate, about 40%. The way to manage it is to put a patient on a ventilator. The additional pressure helps the oxygen go into the bloodstream.

“Normally, ARDS is something that happens over time as the lungs get more and more inflamed. But with this virus, it seems like it happens overnight.


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Monday, March 23, 2020 3:05 PM

1KIKI

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see latest post for most recent figures

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Monday, March 23, 2020 3:08 PM

1KIKI

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see latest post for most recent figures

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Monday, March 23, 2020 3:11 PM

1KIKI

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see latest post for most recent figures

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Monday, March 23, 2020 3:14 PM

1KIKI

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see latest post for most recent figures

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:20 PM

1KIKI

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see latest post for most recent figures

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:23 PM

1KIKI

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see latest post for most recent figures

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:27 PM

1KIKI

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see latest post for most recent figures

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:31 PM

1KIKI

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see latest post for most recent figures

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:20 PM

1KIKI

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-death-peak-three
-weeks-epidemiologist/index.html


Coronavirus deaths in the US could reach peak in three weeks, epidemiologist says

This seems entirely possible for a few reasons. And it's why I've been tracking numbers and noting when measures were instituted.

In terms of the numbers to track, a good article I read said the most reliable numbers are deaths, since testing live people is subject to the numbers of test kits and the vagaries of testing policies.

My observations of China(Wuhan), SK(Shincheonji Church of Jesus), the Diamond Princess, Italy(Lombardy), and the US(NYC) are that there are very intense hotspots of infection, while lower levels of infection can be achieved elsewhere. These intense hotspots are driven by ~ early undetected spread and/ or the kinds of conditions you associate with viral disease transmission, ~tight quarters, ~person to person contact, ~ a lot of generic environmental contact with many different people, like Grand Central Station or the Wuhan wet market, and possibly ~the presence of super-spreaders.

If you control the rampant hotspots you can control the overall growth of the epidemic through more targeted means elsewhere.

The US had 4 early candidates as hotspots - Washington state, SanFran, LACounty, and NYC. But Washington SARS-COV-2 was spreading among nursing homes rather than the general population, when it was discovered, because of people (having to) working multiple jobs at different nursing homes. SanFran instituted shelter-in-place early. LACounty seems to have been protected by its relatively dispersed geography. NYC otoh looks like it ticked off the right boxes.


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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:28 PM

SIGNYM

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Your figures ... just to be clear, the # of infections in the USA almost pentupled in the space of five days. And THAT is limited by test criteria of the CDC (which the fuckers STILL haven't changed) and by the number of test kits available in states which have chosen to relax the test criteria, plus the creaky reporting system.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:29 PM

1KIKI

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your figures ... just to be clear, the # of infections in the USA almost pentupled in the space of ten days. And THAT is limited by test criteria of the CDC (which the fuckers STILL haven't changed) and by the number of test kits available in states which have chosen to relax the test criteria, plus the creaky reporting system.

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That's true! And I don't trust those numbers, which is why I noted a factor of up to X60 might be applicable. So even though I started out tracking infections I later also began recording deaths as the more relevant number.

But looking at the top 5 states' numbers, it's clear the driver of US numbers is NYC (with ~ 15,00 cases https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/new-york-starts-new-experi
mental-drug-therapies-to-treat-covid-19-heres-what-we-know/2341931
/ ), which all by itself has roughly 1/4 of all cases and 1/4 of all deaths in the entire country.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

state/ cases/ new cases/ deaths

New York 30,811 +4,463 285
New Jersey 3,675 ===== 44
California 2,643 +77 55
Washington 2,469 ===== 123
Michigan 1,791 ===== 54

Total: 60,653 +5,797 819

ETA: China is starting the first COVID-19 experiment that the rest of the world will be watching - what happens when you relax restrictions? Will it rise up again? SK is still maintaining its intense testing, face-masking in public, tracing-and-quarantining policies.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


see latest post for updated figures

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:32 PM

SIGNYM

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Well, OK! The # of infections in the USA has almost sextupled in the space of about 6 days! It's getting pretty hard to keep up with those numbers!!

And STILL limited by the #of test kits and CDC test criteria!



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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I expect to see more cases in young people in the next few weeks, because - yanno - spring break.

This is by no means done. But ~IF~ the US and the individual states continue to do what we're doing for another month or 2, we'll hopefully turn this back.

And then we'll have to look to the China experiment which is starting now, for what to do next - what happens when you relax restrictions?

ETA:

OTOH the Hong Kong experiment isn't going well ...

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/after-relaxing-restrict
ions-hong-kong-seeing-third-wave-of-covid-19-cases


After relaxing restrictions, Hong Kong seeing 'third wave' of COVID-19 cases




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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


see latest post for updated figures

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


see latest post for updated figures

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


see latest post for updated figures

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, OK! The # of infections in the USA has almost sextupled in the space of about 6 days! It's getting pretty hard to keep up with those numbers!!

And STILL limited by the #of test kits and CDC test criteria!




There's very likely 10 times as many cases out there. They're not testing like they should be.

Gotta keep those infected numbers under what China had before they kicked out all foreign media and magically the virus stopped spreading.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Stop dry-labbing, Jack.

It only makes you look like you're in panic-driven denial and unable to deal with facts.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


This was the scenario I laid out - even if COVID-19 has a case fatality rate of 'only' 1.5%, it's still 15X more than 'the' flu.

If you imagine you normally have 1 patient at a time in the ICU during 'the' flu season, imagine 15 at a time instead. If your hospital has 10 patients at a time during 'the' flu season, imagine 150 patients at a time instead.

And then, a lot of younger people in the US are at greater risk than in, say, Italy - due to diabetes, hypertension, poor overall health, and so on. The same factors that helped many older people live longer in Italy until coronavirus struck them down are absent in the US.

Quote:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-covid-hospitals/
index.html


'That's when all hell broke loose': Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

"The reality is that what we're seeing right now in our emergency rooms is dire," said Dr. Craig Spencer, director of global health in emergency medicine at NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center in New York City.
"Last week when I went to work, we talked about the one or two patients amongst the dozens of others that might have been a Covid or coronavirus patient," Spencer told CNN's Anderson Cooper Tuesday. "In my shift yesterday, nearly every single patient that I took care of was coronavirus, and many of them extremely severe. Many were put on breathing tubes. Many decompensated (medicalese for cratered) quite quickly."

At first, patients skewed toward the 70-plus age group, but in the past week or so there have been a number of patients younger than 50.
"I don't think they understand the severity of this disease," the doctor said of the younger patients.

It's not just New York that's feeling the pressure. Hospitals across the country are seeing a surge of patients, a shortage of personal protective equipment such as masks and gowns, and health care workers who feel that they, their families and their patients are being put at risk.

One ER nurse in Virginia described her hospital as "exceptionally chaotic," with an emergency department where potential Covid-19 patients were sitting next to patients with other health conditions.
"You have an elderly couple that is having chest pain sitting right next to someone who has a cough and flu," she said. "I think that's extremely reckless."
She said she hadn't hugged her daughter since the outbreak started, for fear she may pass anything on to her.
Another nurse in Georgia said she was repeatedly denied testing, even as her own symptoms worsened over the course of a week. The nurse, who had cared for several patients who died of pneumonia but were never tested for Covid-19, was finally tested Tuesday -- the same day she was admitted to the hospital and put in isolation.
"It was not until this morning that I could finally be tested," she said as she gasped for breath between heavy coughs. "It is insane. And it's infuriating. You feel you have to scream to even be heard."




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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:43 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Stop dry-labbing, Jack.

It only makes you look like you're in panic-driven denial and unable to deal with facts.



The only people who are easily terrified are those who have never faced any adversity in their lives.

You should be grateful for your extremely privileged life that you've grown accustomed to and try not focusing on what you might lose so you won't feel so bad about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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The only people who are easily terrified are those who have never faced any adversity in their lives.

You mean because I didn't turn myself into an alcoholic mess at the first setback? Is that your yardstick for adversity?
Quote:

You should be grateful for your extremely privileged life that you've grown accustomed to and try not focusing on what you might lose so you won't feel so bad about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

And after completely fact-free posts now you're down to completely fact-free trolling. CONGRATULATIONS! Your panic has driven you to loony land!

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The only people who are easily terrified are those who have never faced any adversity in their lives.

You mean because I didn't turn myself not an alcoholic mess at the first setback?



You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

When you see me, you see a white male who never had a problem in his life.

My life was a tragedy since I was a kid who never had a childhood. I was a latchkey kid babysitting my brothers and protecting them from messed up selfish parents and their emotional abuse and neglect, from an age that would have had my parents thrown in jail and had us placed in a foster care if that were going on today.

I could write a book detailing my history, the people I've known as friends, some of them still with us, many of them dead or in and out of the prison system for the rest of their lives.

I've had years where I've seen more shit than you've seen in your entire life, lady.

And after all of that... I'm still here, and in many respects I'm much stronger than I ever was because of all of it.

I piss on your little virus and this manufactured panic that the rest of you are currently enthralled by.

You're living in my world now. I don't think there's a time in my life where I ever felt more comfortable with my surroundings than right here and right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:46 AM

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My life was a tragedy since I was a kid who never had a childhood. I was a latchkey kid babysitting my brothers and protecting them from messed up selfish parents and their emotional abuse and neglect, from an age that would have had my parents thrown in jail and had us placed in a foster care if that were going on today.
Oh, poor baby! We may not know anything about you, but what makes you think you know anything about us? Just because we don't whine everlastingly about our childhoods and use it as a crutch to explain our current failures doesn't mean any of our lives were a bed of roses either.

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You're living in my world now. I don't think there's a time in my life where I ever felt more comfortable with my surroundings than right here and right now.
Now THAT is dysfunctional!

Yanno SIX, the smartest man I know is my hubby, and your life experiences don't hold a candle to his. He thinks you're whiny, and I tend to agree. Stop pouting. You sound like a three-year old.

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:50 AM

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Fuck your husband.

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I piss on your little virus and this manufactured panic that the rest of you are currently enthralled by.

You're living in my world now. I don't think there's a time in my life where I ever felt more comfortable with my surroundings than right here and right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

A lot of self-important drama in your life, 6ix. It must go with being a Trump lover:

Waller County judge backs off planned stay-at-home order, cites Trump’s message

Waller County Judge Trey Duhon says he had expected to announce a stay-at-home order for his rural county this week, following the lead of other major counties in the region. But then Duhon reflected on President Donald Trump’s message about how the country needs to start getting back to work in the coming weeks, a view not shared by many public health experts.

“It was just the notion that we can’t be paralyzed by this event,” Duhon said by phone Wednesday, referring to Trump’s remarks. “America is about ingenuity, it’s about working, it’s about enterprise, it’s about free market. People get up, they go to work. They earn a living. They move up the ladder. That’s what we do. That’s what makes America successful. So, if we’re paralyzed and we do nothing, then everything will just collapse.”

On Wednesday, Duhon stopped short of issuing a stay-at-home order, reflecting a reluctance among some local leaders to adopt the most stringent rules available to them to slow the spread of COVID-19. While Democrat-led Harris and Fort Bend counties have issued stay-at-home orders, GOP-majority Montgomery and Waller counties have not.

More at www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Waller-Cou
nty-judge-backs-off-planned-15157015.php


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your husband.

You're still pouting.

Whatever happened to
Quote:

Do Right, Be Right. :)
??

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIX: I piss on your little virus and this manufactured panic that the rest of you are currently enthralled by.
You're living in my world now. I don't think there's a time in my life where I ever felt more comfortable with my surroundings than right here and right now.

SECOND: A lot of self-important drama in your life, 6ix. It must go with being a Trump lover

And he thinks YOU'RE stupider than an idiot.

*****

Back to our regularly-scheduled topic.

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:00 AM

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Quote:

According to John Hopkins data, Wednesday was the deadliest day yet for the US with 233 fatalities reported, taking the US to 65,273 cases and 938 deaths. In New York and California, the number of confirmed cases is doubling every few days...

The death toll in coronavirus-ravaged Spain continued to climb on Thursday, with more than 600 additional fatalities reported so far. In total, more than 4,000 people have been killed by the novel coronavirus in Spain so far. Only Italy has recorded more deaths during the outbreak, and only Spain and Italy have recorded more deaths than mainland China ...

Looks like Spain is going to be the next Italy.

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More importantly, the government will provide 800 million people, roughly two-thirds of the country’s population, with 5 kilograms of rice or wheat each month for the next three months for free.
11 pounds of rice or wheat for a whole month???

A pound of rice has about 1600 calories, a pound of wheat about 1500 calories. About a day's worth of calories per pound. You might survive on eleven pounds of rice or wheat over a month, particularly if you have fat stores, but you WILL go hungry if that's all you have. Still, that's a lot of graim for India. Maybe the families have small-plot axxess to onions and greens or coconuts an chiles, or something,


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Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your husband.

You're still pouting.

Whatever happened to
Quote:

Do Right, Be Right. :)

??




Your going to be a sniveling little bitch like Kiki because you're panicking, then you get it to.

You don't get a free pass. The only other person besides you to ever tell me what their husband thinks about me is Wishy.

Let that sink in, hun.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:50 AM

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From sledgehammer to scalpel

It’s worth remembering why we’re in this situation. “The facts remain that we wasted a lot of time in terms of ramping up testing,” Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health, says. Testing in an outbreak provides two functions. One is to diagnose those who are sick. The other is surveillance: to see where the virus may be lurking, especially in cases where symptoms are mild or don’t manifest at all. The US has barely had enough testing capacity to test the sickest, let alone the capacity to do surveillance. Many doctors are telling patients with milder symptoms to just stay home and not get a test.

“Social distancing is basically a sledgehammer,” Konyndyk, who has worked on past outbreaks, like Ebola, says. “You’re just stopping everything and hoping that in the process you will also slow transmission.” What we need to do, he says, is turn that sledgehammer of social distancing into a scalpel: widespread testing and contact tracing.

“The classic epidemiological approach to controlling disease is not to shut down society; it’s to target the people you know to have the disease and understand who they’re spreading it to,” Konyndyk says. “We can’t do that right now because we don’t have enough testing to know who has the disease.”

Not only do we need more testing, we also need testing that can be completed within minutes. “I would just be so happy if we had rapid diagnostics,” Saskia Popescu, a hospital epidemiologist in Phoenix, Arizona, says. “If you’ve ever been to an urgent care, when they do a flu test, in many cases it takes, like, 10 minutes. So if we can move to more of a rapid diagnostic where it’s a very, very quick turnaround, then we can make sure that those people go home and isolate themselves.” Currently, it can take days to get a diagnostic test back, and people may not be sure of what to do while they wait.

These rapid tests are in the works:

Fast, portable tests come online to curb coronavirus pandemic
www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00010-2

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:57 AM

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From sledgehammer to scalpel

It’s worth remembering why we’re in this situation.



Yes. Yes it is.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/opinion/china-travel-coronavirus.ht
ml


Quote:

Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China?

Sadly, one doesn’t have to look far for evidence of these top-down decisions morphing into outright racism within the general population, a trend that has a long history in the narrative of outbreaks such as this one.

Coronavirus shares something in common with other kinds of civil disruption, natural disasters or emergencies that affect localized travel industries: Its destructive power lies not in the actual risk but in the perception of that risk. Numerous experts have said that the majority of people who contract coronavirus will experience it as a respiratory infection they will fully recover from. But the extreme reactions — the canceling of flights, closing of borders and level-four travel warnings — seem more appropriate for something much worse.

With the rhetoric surrounding coronavirus, however, it appears the astonishing growth of the Chinese travel market in the past 15 years did little to rid the industry of the impulse to treat Chinese travelers as “others” in the face of doubt and uncertainty. Canceling flights, cruises and locking down borders when it’s not advised by international agencies will be not only an act of economic self-harm but also a wasted opportunity to learn from the mistakes of the past.



Well, Rosie. That article hasn't aged well, has it?

Have we learned anything from mistakes of the very recent past yet?


I'll bet you haven't. I'll bet when the COVID thing blows over you'll be at the front lines of the Legacy Media to open our boarders wide to everybody else and call anybody who doesn't agree with you a Nationalist, as if that is a bad word or something.




https://www.vox.com/2020/2/7/21126758/coronavirus-xenophobia-racism-ch
ina-asians


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The coronavirus exposes the history of racism and “cleanliness”

While the epidemic may be new, xenophobia has been intertwined with public health discourse for a very long time.



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While panic about a sudden, deadly virus is to be expected, some fears — especially in North America and the West — have been based on something other than health. The panic has exposed a deep-seated xenophobia, and with it, a symptom of its own has surfaced: hostility toward East Asian people.


Maybe if instead of listening to the Twitter Mob and the Legacy Media lefty shills and they did what I said all along and shut down all flights when I said to, including for US citizens who were abroad (which JSF said I was being un-American by suggesting), we wouldn't have it spreading in the US now and terrorizing people like Kiki and Sigs.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-racism-fear-intl
-hnk/index.html


Quote:

As the coronavirus spreads, fear is fueling racism and xenophobia


Quote:

Toronto Mayor John Tory also spoke out this week about the coronavirus panic. "Standing with our Chinese community against stigmatization and discrimination," he said. "We must not allow fear to triumph over our values as a city."


Well... those of you who are still standing right now, be sure to do it at least 6 feet apart from each other, mkay?


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/no-chinese-allowed-racism-and-fear-a
re-now-spreading-along-with-the-coronavirus-2020-01-29


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‘No Chinese allowed’: Racism and fear are now spreading along with the coronavirus


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An online petition signed by parents in one school district in Ontario, Canada, asked the school board to request parents whose children or whose families have recently returned from China “to stay at home and keep isolated for a minimum of 17 days for the purpose of self-quarantine.”


Those terrible, terrible, racist Canadians, huh? /sarcasm





These articles are gross, and they only fester and reek even more with time. And it's a wonderful thing that we live in the age of the internet where they're preserved forever and we can REALLY do some research to figure out exactly what went wrong.

Hindsight is truly 20/20 in 2020.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Quote:

SIX: Fuck your husband.

SIGNY:You're still pouting. Whatever happened to
Quote:

Do Right, Be Right. :)
??

SIX:Your going to be a sniveling little bitch like Kiki because you're panicking, then you get it to.
You don't get a free pass. The only other person besides you to ever tell me what their husband thinks about me is Wishy.
Let that sink in, hun.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Maybe SECOND should tell you what his husband thinks of you? Or howabout JSF? I'll bet HE has a husband, too!

C'mon, take a deep breath. You've been picking fights over this and in general not acting like you usual rational self. Hey, let your better self out of the closet from where you seem to have locked it!



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Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hydroxycholorquine ... antimalarial ... is it the real deal?

Or is it just another "forsythia"?

Not the real deal
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/03/25/study-shows-h
ydroxy-chloroquine-is-ineffective-against-covid-19---so-what-now
/

Kaiser thinks it might be
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85610

Er, needs more study because data insufficient!
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/25/chloroquine-covid-19/

Belgium rationing hydroxychlorquine for clinical trials
https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/belgium-all-news/102387/belgium
-rations-potential-treatment-against-coronavirus
/

WHO launching trial of four treatments
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/who-launch-trial-testing-4-p
otential-covid-19-treatments


The original French study that got Trump all a-Twitter
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996


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Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

These articles are gross, and they only fester and reek even more with time. And it's a wonderful thing that we live in the age of the internet where they're preserved forever and we can REALLY do some research to figure out exactly what went wrong.

Hindsight is truly 20/20 in 2020.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, here is a career idea for you: communicate/publicize for the GOP. The party has a need for more bright writers creating short political messages, slightly longer newspaper articles, magazine essays, and even full length books. The GOP has the money to pay you very well. You don't have to give away your work for free at fff.net.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 3:01 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

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In the garden, and RAIN!!!!
Sun, April 5, 2020 00:48 - 4245 posts
Some Covid-19 thoughts
Sat, April 4, 2020 23:47 - 186 posts
new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
Sat, April 4, 2020 21:09 - 1096 posts
Chump was warned in 2017 a pandemic was likely and now 200k or more people are likely to die.
Sat, April 4, 2020 20:09 - 18 posts
Countdown Clock, Trumps Removal 'Starts'
Sat, April 4, 2020 17:39 - 306 posts
Money money money, who can we trust to figure it out?
Sat, April 4, 2020 13:31 - 53 posts
A thread for Democrats Only
Sat, April 4, 2020 11:26 - 3322 posts
FACTS
Sat, April 4, 2020 11:20 - 218 posts
Quote of the day
Fri, April 3, 2020 23:49 - 46 posts
If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall...
Fri, April 3, 2020 22:07 - 15 posts
The (Political) Science Behind Trump's Approval Bump
Fri, April 3, 2020 14:18 - 5 posts
In Memoriam of the 156,154 people in the world who died of soemthing else today...
Fri, April 3, 2020 05:14 - 3 posts

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