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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

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Tuesday, July 27, 2021 9:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It'll be fine.



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Friday, July 30, 2021 8:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



There are 2 kinds of immune system:
- the mucosal immune system (eyes, nose, etc) which is addressed by IgA, a specific and secreted antibody
and
- the internal immune system accessible through the bloodstream, which is addressed by IgM, an early generalized antibody to any infection; IgG a developed set of antibodies fairly specific to an infectious agent; plus cell-mediated immunity.

Because they are injected, the current vaccines stimulate the INTERNAL antibody system. That's why the ORIGINAL ENDPOINT for vaccine effectiveness was SERIOUS ILLNESS AND HOSPITALIZATION: ie pneumonia, cardiac infection, CVS infection, kidney infection etc. ... ie the effects of SARS-CoV-2 on body 'internals'.

But infection and transmission take place in the upper airways.

That the vaxs were effective against infection and transmission in the upper airways with the original COVID-19 strain was an unexpected and unexplained bonus.

BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE OF THE DELTA STRAIN. From what I've read, even people who've been vaccinated can catch COVID-19 and transmit it < somewhat-as-well to just-as-well > as the unvaccinated (numbers not released yet). Also, protection against serious illness and hospitalizations is somewhat reduced, figures I've read say the reduction is to 80%, from 95%; but other countries around the planet, ie Israel, say it's even lower as low as 40%. That's why the CDC recommends indoor masks.

Also, there are 3 vaccines available in the US. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines.
html


2 are mRNA vaccines, Pfizer-BioNTech, and Moderna. From what I've read these types of vaccines are particularly effective at stimulating IgG antibody immunity. The other vaccine is the J&J one which is 'vectored' which means it's carried by an adenovirus. From what I've read, vectored vaccines are particularly good at stimulating cell-mediated immunity. Having both types of immunity is helpful.

I think the Biden administration/ CDC may be reluctant to officially advise people to get a booster vax. The fed government is paying for them, and that means a lot more expense.

I think the government should study people getting both types, to develop a more complete immune response.

Also, originally the flu vax was developed to be squirted up the nose and inhaled, to stimulate the mucosal antibody system. I think the government should study people getting intranasal boosters.

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Friday, July 30, 2021 10:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Delta is magic and it came from the ancient dwarven caves on Mars when Elon Musk's spaceship accidentally kicked open one of the ancient mythrill doors where it was entombed for millennia.

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Saturday, July 31, 2021 9:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Signy

The tweet outright states that the vax does NOT reduce the risk of dying from COVID-19.
Quote:

The pivotal clinical trial for the @pfizer #Covid vaccine shows it does nothing to reduce the overall risk of death. ZERO.

15 patients who received the vaccine died, 14 who received the placebo died



How could this happen???!!!! How could we be so misled??!!!

Trying to puzzle this out, a first glance, I noticed missing numbers.
Quote:

15 patients who received the vaccine died, 14 who received the placebo died
15 out of how many ... ? 14 out of how many ... ?
Since there are definitely missing numbers, and missing context, this is hard to interpret.

It required a deeper dig.

I looked most assiduously for the quote tweeted, but didn't find anything.

So I went back to the original tweet by typing in
https://t.co/0rVYHRTjpm
and found it =
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1420839456228118535 .

And I clicked on the photo within and found this
Quote:

During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open label period 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators. Causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups (Table S4).
By entering the full quote into the search engine, no quotes (to account for any formatting characters) I came up with this:
Quote:

https://www.scribd.com/document/517713886/2021-07-28-21261159v1-full
Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

Reading it, I found that the quote OBVIOUSLY addressed the safety portion of the trial, looking to see if people who received the vax were at any more risk of dying than people who didn't. And the vax was deemed as safe as getting a placebo. OBVIOUSLY the tweet was a HIGHLY edited snippet, with the author's comments that outright lied about its meaning.

Anyway, I also looked into this (non provided link) source:
Quote:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1
Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine



The twit could have provided links to sources, but chose not to. For some strange reason ...




I general I agree with you. Private entities should not be censoring public discussions.



That said, Berenson was beyond shameful. And anything that comes from him should be looked at with deep distrust, since he knows no boundaries when it comes to lying.

cross posted to 'new deadly ...' thread



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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




But finding the full facts about SARS-CoV-2 delta in the m$m is almost as much of a chore.

I've been somewhat researching SARS-CoV-2 delta and came across apparently conflicting data.




This data from a study by the Kaiser Family Foundation using public sources indicated that, at most, 0.9% of fully vaccinated people will catch SARS-CoV-2 delta, with at most 0.06% hospitalized, and 0.0% deaths. And that means that virtually all infections, and hospitalizations, and all deaths, will occur in the unvaccinated. (It also indicated that the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections in July 2021. Who knew? But that's why KFF had to compile data from states that track the data.)
Quote:

COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-d
ata-from-the-states
/

Percent of Fully Vaccinated Individuals That Have Experienced a COVID-19 Breakthrough Event (interactive graph not able to be linked)






But then there's this:
Quote:

Three-quarters of people infected in Provincetown outbreak were vaccinated, CDC finds
https://www.pressherald.com/2021/07/30/cdc-finds-most-people-in-delta-
fueled-provincetown-outbreak-were-vaccinated
/
The report on the Massachusetts cases, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, offers key evidence bolstering the hypothesis that vaccinated people can spread the more transmissible variant and may be a factor in the summer surge of infections.
The full outbreak, which began over the July 4 holiday weekend, is close to 900 cases, but the analysis included only a subset of 469 cases. About three-quarters of infections occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, and that group had received vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson. ... 79% of vaccinated breakthrough infections were symptomatic. Four of five people who were hospitalized were fully vaccinated.

This is just one link among many about this topic, but this one was particularly complete.

And there's this about the same incident:
Quote:

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others
https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d950451
9a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1

Though this AP story isn't as complete, it did link a CDC study.

The linked CDC study was a statistical reporting of the outbreak:
Quote:

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w



Looking over all of this, there are definitely missing numbers:
Quote:

469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons.
The number of vaccinated/ infected is out of how many vaccinated/ exposed? If a few thousand vaccinated were exposed, and only a few hundred were infected; and only a few hundred were unvaccinated and exposed, but a few hundred of those became ill, that would put a different meaning into the numbers.

To be fair, those numbers - vaccinated and unvaccinated plus exposed - aren't provided because they aren't known. What is known is that statewide, the vax rate is about 70%. But that number may be percent vaccinated of vaccine-eligible population (age, occupation, and health conditions, as defined by the state) rather than percent of total population. So that missing information causes me a slight pause in interpreting this.

Another gap is an explanation as to how these cases were enumerated. How, for example, did they find the asymptomatic cases? And is there a difference between asymptomatic percent in vaccinated v unvaccinated? (FWIW I'd assume the vaccinated would have more symptoms related to immune response: fever, chills, aches and pains, feeling 'blah', and so on.)




Finally, there's the as-yet-unpublished data about nasal viral load in vaccinated versus unvaccinated. But again, there are questions as to whether or not the virus particles are infectious in the vaccinated people.
Quote:

CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be Infectious, So Masks Are Necessary https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-in-vaccinat
ed-people-with-delta-are-indistinguishable-from-unvaccinated
/







All told, I can see why the CDC has changed its mask guidance. While the data is incomplete, there are indications that SARS-CoV-2 delta is more infectious and more severe than 'normal' SARS-CoV-2. Simple prudence should indicate a safer public policy. And masking is one of the least intrusive, and inexpensive, precautions to take. Effective masks like N95 are once again available on Amazon.com.

If vaccines don't provide mucosal antibodies against initial infection, that's completely expectable, given that vaccines are administered by injection and only stimulate the 'inner' immune system.

If SARS-CoV-2 delta is more infectious, I wouldn't be surprised at that either. I've read articles that SARS-CoV-2 is early on its evolutionary path to more transmissible = less deadly. It's mastering the more transmissible part. But it'll take some time for it to master the less deadly part.

(cross posted in 'new deadly ...' thread)


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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
All told, I can see why the CDC has changed its mask guidance. While the data is incomplete, there are indications that SARS-CoV-2 delta is more infectious and more severe than 'normal' SARS-CoV-2. Simple prudence should indicate a safer public policy. And masking is one of the least intrusive, and inexpensive, precautions to take. Effective masks like N95 are once again available on Amazon.com.



The mask mandate was never about safety. It was about control and compliance.

If it were about safety, everyone would have been wearing N95. They would have even been provided with them after the shortage of supply was over.

But that's not what happened, and a vast majority of people went out with scarfs, rags or whatever cheap made-in-China fabric masks they could find on Amazon. As long as your face was covered with something... anything... you weren't going to be accosted by staffers or put on YouTube by mask Karens for non-compliance.

It was NEVER about safety.

It was a grand social experiment to see if people have become so weak that the individual can be smothered out by the mob.

The individual lost.



And now they're moving on to the big fish. Attempting the same thing with an untested vaccination. Forcing it on every last individual via any means necessary just short of an official written mandate so they can pretend that there was never a mandate.



This is all stuff Kurt Vonnegut wrote about before I was born and most people today either forgot about or were never even introduced to.


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Saturday, July 31, 2021 11:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Epidemiology reveals mask wearing by the public is crucial for COVID-19 control
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590097820300124

COVID-19 epidemic: disentangling the re-emerging controversy about medical facemasks from an epidemiological perspective
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/49/4/1063/5813980?login=true

Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/art
icle/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05


Community use of face masks and similar barriers to prevent respiratory illness such as COVID-19: a rapid scoping review
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.
49.2000725?crawler=truehttps://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/12/e012330https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817As


Face masks, public policies and slowing the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from Canada?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016762962100060
6


The introduction of a mandatory mask policy was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 cases in a major metropolitan city
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0253
510


Effectiveness of community face mask use on COVID-19 epidemiological trends and patterns in Italy: evidence from a “translational” study
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23744235.2021.1883731

Face masks: what the data say
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

COVID-19 transmission in Hong Kong despite universal masking
we conclude that universal mask-wearing can reduce transmission, but transmission can continue to occur in settings where face masks are not usually worn.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016344532100205
X


An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118?fbclid=IwAR0acQLrK5uzFb
EsJE5E7lDgkcBVPB7b_2CjhPAy2yG2jDzEJ5H5ekpwVIk


Face masks to prevent transmission of COVID-19: A systematic review and meta-analysis
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S019665532031043
9


Association of State-Issued Mask Mandates and Allowing On-Premises Restaurant Dining with County-Level COVID-19 Case and Death Growth Rates — United States, March 1–December 31, 2020
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e3.htm?s_cid=mm7010e3_w#c
ontribAff



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Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I've also tried to look up the effectiveness of facemasks.

Some websites have collected an impressive array of studies to show that they DON'T work - for example, the nations that had early success controlling Covid-19 thru masking experienced high rates of transmission later, even tho theystill required masks.

https://www.aier.org/article/masking-a-careful-review-of-the-evidence/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-
19
-

https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-
face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19


There was a Swiss website that I found on my phone but not here, with many links to studies tha masks ... not even N95s ... work. It seems to me, tho, that N95s provide adequate filtration, so possibly the problem is that people don't use them properly or consistently.

So in light of the HUGE amount of conflicting information, I guess I'll have to go thru each article and decide for myself.


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Sunday, August 1, 2021 7:21 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




https://www.aier.org/article/masking-a-careful-review-of-the-evidence/
I made a quick look-through of the linked articles, and linked articles to linked articles - roughly 3 layers deep, and screening out the opinion pieces and linked articles that either weren't scientific publications or that didn't have links to scientific publications. In general, this link has a lot of BS, hyperbole, self-referencing, links that don't support the claim, and so on.

For example, upfront it claims SARS-CoV-2 spreads primarily through the orofecal route. How is the orofecal route relevant in public gatherings that are known to have been superspreader events? Did someone shit their pants and somehow contaminate the air? Did the orofecal route play a role in the Washington superspreader choir practice event? https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e6.htm

It repeatedly debunks the claim that masks offer protection for the wearer, but nearly completely fails to address the claim that masks may protect the people near the wearer; when it does address that claim it uses links that refute its own position.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600%2820%2
930323-4/fulltext
"However, surgical masks worn by patients reduce exposures to infectious aerosols to health-care workers and other individuals."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1132-9 "There is now growing evidence that face masks can considerably reduce the transmission of respiratory viruses like SARS-CoV-2, thereby limiting the spread of COVID-19 (refs. 22,23,24)."
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/disaster-medicine-and-public-h
ealth-preparedness/article/testing-the-efficacy-of-homemade-masks-would-they-protect-in-an-influenza-pandemic/0921A05A69A9419C862FA2F35F819D55
"Our findings suggest that a homemade mask should only be considered as a last resort to prevent droplet transmission from infected individuals, but it would be better than no protection."

Checking out the CIDRAP link, for example, I found that at CIDRAP, newer articles recommended mask wearing, as opposed to the one article cited from over a year ago. So I suspect this article of cherry-picking, especially when it comes to newer contrary information.


But the best evidence for cumulative measures taken, including masks, is the non-influenza season of 2020-2021.

Anyway, after doing a quick look-through, I don't take this article very seriously. Maybe you could point out the parts you found were convincing.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-
19
-
link not found

https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-
face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19


haven't checked it out yet

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Sunday, August 1, 2021 9:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


We shut down nearly everything, laying off tens of millions in the process and adding insult to injury by calling them all non-essentials, ended church, ended sports, ended concerts, made parties illegal, pulled our kids out of school, camped out at home and watched Netflix all day long for the better part of a year, all while making people so terrified they'd scream if people weren't standing 6 feet away from them.

Sure. It was the almost-never-N95 masks.



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Sunday, August 1, 2021 10:28 AM

SIGNYM

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Sorry KIKI, this was the one I had to go back to my phone to find

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

Don't feel that you have to research this article. I understandind now how you do what you do, so I'll take a gander for myself.

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Sunday, August 1, 2021 2:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We shut down nearly everything, laying off tens of millions in the process and adding insult to injury by calling them all non-essentials, ended church, ended sports, ended concerts, made parties illegal, pulled our kids out of school, camped out at home and watched Netflix all day long for the better part of a year, all while making people so terrified they'd scream if people weren't standing 6 feet away from them.

Sure. It was the almost-never-N95 masks.



For those who aren't keeping up...

Prime Example of Correlation is not Causation.

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Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I have no idea what you're even posting about.

** I ** was addressing masks as an effective, low impact, low cost means to help stop SARS-CoV-2.

Anything else you're posting about is just putting words in my mouth. Just like SLOPPY, and THUGGER.

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Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We shut down nearly everything, laying off tens of millions in the process and adding insult to injury by calling them all non-essentials, ended church, ended sports, ended concerts, made parties illegal, pulled our kids out of school, camped out at home and watched Netflix all day long for the better part of a year, all while making people so terrified they'd scream if people weren't standing 6 feet away from them.

Sure. It was the almost-never-N95 masks.



For those who aren't keeping up...

Prime Example of Correlation is not Causation.

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Sunday, August 1, 2021 11:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Biology isn't like physics.

There are 2 things we assume about cause and effect in physics:
1) cause always comes before effect
2) cause reliably creates the exact same effect, every time.

In physics, if you let go of something while standing on the earth's surface, that thing will move to the earth's center of gravity - all the time, reliably and without fail. So much so that the relation between motion and mass of any object in earth's pull can be written into a formula. In physics, if you push down on one end of a see-saw, the other end goes up. It doesn't go up sometimes, or a little at first then a lot more later after you've stopped pushing. Newtonian physics, which is the world we perceive, is mechanistically reliable.


In biology, there are multiple factors that go into every result. That makes biology responses rubbery, and not reliable. Sometimes you push down on one end of a biological see-saw, and nothing happens as a result. Or one individual biological see-saw works the way you expect, but the second one does nothing, and the third one goes sideways instead.

That makes biological cause and effect a lot harder to parse out. It's still true that cause needs to happen before the effect is observed. But given the unreliable nature of biological response, you can't find a 1:1 lock between the two. So you need to look for correlations instead.

So while it's true that not every correlation is a cause-effect relationship, it's also true that every cause-effect relationship needs to show correlation.

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Monday, August 2, 2021 2:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


CHINA IS LOCKING DOWN (AGAIN) AND STIFLING ITS OWN ECONOMY BECAUSE THE WHOLE COVID-9 PANDEMIC IS A "HOAX". (Right, SIX?)

Quote:

Millions Locked Down As China Battles Worst COVID Outbreak Since Wuhan
Monday, Aug 02, 2021 - 11:44 AM

We noted last week that the delta variant has finally arrived in China, causing one of the country's worst outbreaks since the original wave of COVID that spread from Wuhan across China (and world). Well, despite authorities' best efforts, the outbreak appears to have worsened over the weekend, and now officials are reimposing COVID-related restrictions in Beijing for the first time in months as questions about the efficacy of Chinese COVID vaccines multiply.

I've wondered about that, too. I've read that its effectiveness against even the original variant is only about 50%, but (a) I don't know the endpoint and (b) reliable figures are impossible to come by.

Quote:

According to Bloomberg, the outbreak is now the broadest since the original outbreak in late 2019 as cases are being found in 14 of 32 provinces. The fact that delta has spread so widely across China - even if the case numbers, which are likely under-reporting (perhaps dramatically) the true levels of delta penetration, are still relatively low - is alarming government officials.

In addition, Beijing has blocked tourists from entering the capital during the peak summer holiday travel season. This is taking place as health authorities just reported the largest weekly death toll in months across Southeast Asia.


Not according to WHO. The highest deat rate was 0.23 per 100,000 about three months ago. It dropped to about 0.08 one month ago, and is now up to about 0.14.(By comparison, the USA peaked at 1.5 and is now at 0.12, which I consider a great success.)
I find this to be exaggerated reporting.

Quote:

Millions are once again being confined to their homes across China after health authorities reported 55 new locally transmitted cases on Monday, including one more new case in Beijing, as the outbreak spread to more than 20 cities. Beijingers have been asked to avoid leaving the city during the coming days and weeks. Seven new infections were also confirmed in Wuhan, where the new cluster was reportedly traced to a train station (a gaggle of migrant workers were promptly blamed). New cases have been reported in Henan Province, where major flooding has occurred in recent days.

In Beijing, and in other major cities across China, the familiar signs of lockdown are now visible everywhere; major cities have tested millions of residents while cordoning off residential compounds. Any close contacts of the infected have been placed under strict quarantine.

Per the AFP, more than 1.2MM residents were placed under strict lockdown for the next three days in the central city of Zhuzhou in Hunan province, as authorities prepare their citywide campaign of testing and vaccinations.

"The situation is still grim and complicated," the Zhuzhou government said.

As we reported last week, the latest outbreak has been linked to a cluster in the city of Nanjing, where nine cleaners at an international airport tested positive on July 20. In the popular tourist destination of Zhangjiajie, famed for its national forest, an outbreak spread last month among theater patrons, who then helped spread the virus across the country.

Zhangjiajie locked down all 1.5MM residents on Friday. Officials are urgently seeking people who have recently traveled from Nanjing or Zhangjiajie, and have urged tourists not to travel to areas where cases have been found.



So, is China overreacting to "cases"? Do they know something about their vaccines that we don't? Are there attendant "deaths" along with this?

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Monday, August 2, 2021 4:13 PM

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MARCH 9TH, 2021:

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I wonder when they're going to start bandying around the term "Bio-Terrorist" when referring to people who won't get vaccinated.



MIAMI HEARALD, AUGUST 2ND, 2021:

Quote:

You do not endanger the lives of the many to humor the misconceptions of the few. They can’t or won’t change their minds. It’s time to recognize that.

And do it for them.



https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr
/article253116738.html


We're getting close.

ALSO:

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This was from a post I made on March 10th, but it was a summation of things I'd been saying way back in 2020.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What she told her husband is what the media is suggesting that EVERYONE who is getting vaccinated do to anybody who isn't getting vaccinated. And also doing to them what she did to him.

Guilt them.

Guilting him to guilt them.



Here's the steps, if you missed me talk about them before.


STEP 1: Give the vaccine to the 50 to 60% of people who are terrified of the virus and would do anything to get it.

STEP 2: Give the vaccine to the 15 to 20% of people who are just so f-ing tired of how we've been forced to live the last year that they just want it to go away and will get vaccinated so they can get back to their old lives.

(Steps one and two will have quite a bit of overlap, both in the timeframe and/or like-mindedness.)

STEP 3: Guilt the shit of the remaining people. Not all of them will be guilted into it. But some of them will.

STEP 4: Ruin the lives of people who still refuse. This can be done, and will be done, in a variety of ways. (This can only begin once there is a legitimate surplus of vaccinations without any remaining demand for them).

One of the biggest will be by allowing corporations to force vaccinations otherwise face termination from your job (the article from South Carolina I posted earlier today is actually about a bill being considered in the state to PROHIBIT companies in the state from doing this).

But then there's just the general guilting that will never end until the media stops talking about it. If you haven't been paying attention to the way these things work online the last few years, that guilting will quickly turn to HATE. This is going to make for a very hostile work environment for many people at this point. Imagine the RWED, but in a live office setting... in every workplace around the country. (and with weak-minded, terrified people truly believing that somebody like me is threatening their life by my mere presence in front of them without having had the shots).

If they really want to make the issue bad, they'll start instituting an ID card... maybe even provide you with a handy little lanyard to wear it like a dog collar whenever you leave your home.

Worst case is that when enough people have already gotten it and the rest refuse that the Legacy Media starts referring to those who resist vaccination as Bio Terrorists.



I've pretty much been spot on for the first three steps.

Admittedly, I didn't see handing out a bunch of freebies and doing Lotteries to try to entice people before moving on to Step 4 though.

But we are clearly in Step 3.5 right now, and just as I predicted they're throwing away TONS of vaccines since nobody else wants one.

Is New Zealand is racing to prove me right on the predictions past Step 4 already?

http://www.yout.be.com/watch?v=CpPZH9AM35c

Anybody else going to join the race?



Yup.

I'd say that the weakest of us here in the States are firmly planting their feet into STEP 4.


But just like not seeing the Cash and Prizes attempts to con people into taking the jab, I surely didn't see FUCKING EVERYBODY OVER FROM STEP 1 AND STEP 2 in order to facilitate STEP 4.

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Monday, August 2, 2021 6:56 PM

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Not too long ago, Zuckerborg was painting anyone who thought the virus was laboratory- created as a "conspiracy theorist" and banned.

Now ...

Quote:

this is a good time to remember that in a matter of just six months, another Olympic Games is scheduled to take place in Beijing, where the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leadership coordinated -- and continues to perpetrate -- a massive cover up of the virus’s origins and the circumstances surrounding its initial outbreak.

As Director of National Intelligence during much of the pandemic, I know this particularly well.

Former DNI John Ratcliffe

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/china-olympics-2022-covid-cover-up-gam
es-john-ratcliffe


Now, one of the more interesting speculations along these lines is that China undertook contracting American gain of function research not just because they were grubbing for money, but because they wanted to acquire American technology on the cheap, by stealing it. That's how they leapfrogged so much of their other development: encouraging investments in their country which allowed them to buy or copy manufacturing techniques and research.

If that's what happened, I still wonder what words were exchanged between Russia and China! The fact that Russia and China are still joined together in a double helix despite this tells me how much they need each other.





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Monday, August 2, 2021 7:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not too long ago, Zuckerborg was painting anyone who thought the virus was laboratory- created as a "conspiracy theorist" and banned.



Sky News Austrailia just got banned from YouTube today for speaking out against locking down everything again.

Pro Censorship Cunt Susan Wojicicki making great use of that Free Expression award she gave herself 3 months ago I see.



The balls on these people to keep the ratings and comments up on that vid.

The 55 THOUSAND dislikes to the 211 likes the employees you threatened with their jobs if they didn't like the video don't show much confidence in your ability to do your job, do they Sue?

No wonder you're talking about removing the dislike feature on YouTube, huh?


One commenter says...

Quote:

I have so much freedom of expression that I am afraid of commenting on this video. What if she sees my comment and she deletes my channel? That's how much freedom of expression I have.


Hmmmmm...

Maybe it's better that they just deleted my channel and banned me outright rather than let me put myself on whatever watch list all of the commenters on that video are on now.




Oh... who am I kidding. I'm probably already on several watch lists just for posting wrongthink here.

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Tuesday, August 3, 2021 2:22 PM

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Since hardly anybody goes to Divoc-91 and a picture is worth 1000 words

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/covid0803.jpeg

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Tuesday, August 3, 2021 4:57 PM

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I just want to comment here that I think the 'messaging' has been bungled from the start. In other words, by concentrating on the 'messaging' (narrative) and distorting facts, trust has been lost.

So I already pointed out that too much was presented with too much certainty, when in fact there were huge and critical blank areas. And I pointed out that by blurring the lines around 'effectiveness' (serious illness and death) people basically over-promised results, as well as by not highlighting that there would be breakthrough infections, and that variants would emerge.

Joe* did a lot of that over-promising. So a lot of the backlash should fall on him.

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Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since hardly anybody goes to Divoc-91 and a picture is worth 1000 words

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/covid0803.jpeg

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Yes. Thank you.

The Krystal and Saagar video I posted the other day had this graph in it too.

But it was an interactive thing and I couldn't download it.



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Friday, August 6, 2021 5:01 PM

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NYTimes yesterday:

United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 5 14-day change
New cases 100,199 +119%
New deaths 439 +74%


Generally it takes about 2 weeks for deaths to catch up to cases.


Since this is supposedly a surge mainly among the young, it'll be interesting to see what happens - will deaths track cases after the natural delay?

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Friday, August 6, 2021 5:12 PM

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I cruise by Salon every now and again to see what they're up to.

Quote:

Republicans ramp up the racism to deflect blame for COVID surge
Amanda Marcotte
Everyone knows that is unvaccinated Trumpers spreading delta, but Republicans want to blame immigrants instead
Rather than blame the obvious culprits for the pandemic — Fox News-addled anti-vaxxers — Republicans are increasingly accusing immigrants at the Southern border of bringing in COVID-19, and Biden of supposedly letting them. After Biden rightfully called out Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, for his part in letting COVID-19 run rampant, DeSantis pitifully tried to hit back by claiming Biden "imported more virus from around the world by having a wide-open southern border."
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/06/republicans-ramp-up-the-racism-to-def
lect-blame-for-covid-surge
/



Does the author mean to say that illegal immigrants couldn't possibly be bringing in COVID-19 because they've all been vaccinated?

This is an egregious use of the 'false dilemma' lie.



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Sunday, August 8, 2021 4:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



NYTimes

United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 5 14-day change
New cases 100,199 +119%
New deaths 439 +74%


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 7 14-day change
New cases 108,513 +111% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 506 +89% deaths trajectory last two weeks

It takes about 2 weeks for 'deaths' to catch up to 'cases'. So I'll be checking this from time to time. If 'deaths' never catches up, then it'll be clear that the delta variant either isn't as deadly per se, or that the infected population skewed significantly younger.


I've read elsewhere that the delta variant was a flash-fire in England, that spiked and dropped equally quickly. Going to 91-DIVOC, unfortunately it doesn't list England, or Great Britain, just the UK. ( https://www.thoughtco.com/united-kingdom-great-britain-and-england-143
5711
Difference Between the UK, Great Britain, and England)

While it's true that 'cases' soared dramatically by a factor of about 20 (from ~5/100k to ~100/100k), and then dropped quickly, they only dropped by a third off the peak (to ~33/100k) before rising again. Whether that secondary rise is a blip or a trend is still to be seen.

Deaths otoh rose by a factor of only 7 (~.03 to ~.2), though at those levels 'noise' in the data is significant, and they too are showing an upward tick after dropping somewhat.

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 5:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I cruise by Salon every now and again to see what they're up to.

Quote:

Republicans ramp up the racism to deflect blame for COVID surge
Amanda Marcotte
Everyone knows that is unvaccinated Trumpers spreading delta, but Republicans want to blame immigrants instead
Rather than blame the obvious culprits for the pandemic — Fox News-addled anti-vaxxers — Republicans are increasingly accusing immigrants at the Southern border of bringing in COVID-19, and Biden of supposedly letting them. After Biden rightfully called out Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, for his part in letting COVID-19 run rampant, DeSantis pitifully tried to hit back by claiming Biden "imported more virus from around the world by having a wide-open southern border."
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/06/republicans-ramp-up-the-racism-to-def
lect-blame-for-covid-surge
/



Does the author mean to say that illegal immigrants couldn't possibly be bringing in COVID-19 because they've all been vaccinated?

This is an egregious use of the 'false dilemma' lie.






Hey Salon. You're not going to bother bringing up the fact that the largest percentages of unvaccinated people by race are black and Latino among ACTUAL US Citizens, huh?

LOL. That sure sounds like racism to me.

Me bringing it up isn't racist. Because I'm THRILLED that it's my black and Latino brothers and sisters who are standing with me.

It's a NO FUCKING WIN situation for your narrative.


GO AHEAD, BEZOS. MAKE VACCINATIONS MANDATORY FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES AND EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD WHY YOU CUT HALF OF YOUR WORKFORCE AND THEY WERE ALMOST ALL EXCLUSIVELY NOT WHITE.

You fucking creeps.



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Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:11 PM

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To continue commenting on the god-awful 'news' coverage of all sides flogging their own narratives:

To recap, I've already commented on the false narrative of Biden's* pro-vax administration.

But to summarize the basic points and reiterate them: There were questions RIGHT AT THE START of the pandemic, when it was thought to still be isolated to China ... way back when in 2019 ... about whether or not natural SARS-CoV-2 infection would create effective immunity, and how durable any immunity might be. OBVIOUSLY those questions carried over to any vaccine. But with vaccines a new question was added - how well would central immunity work when it came to preventing infection and preventing spread, since those happen at the mucosal surface, where mucosal immunity is in effect, and vaccine immunity is not? And with time, of course the development of variants has led to the question of vaccine effectiveness against them. MOST OF THOSE QUESTIONS STILL HAVE NO DEFINITIVE ANSWERS. And scientifically, those answers probably won't be had until long after the dust has settled and someone has the time and resources to take a thorough retrospective look at the data. Or as the punchline to the old joke goes, "pathologists know everything about everything, only too late".

All these swirling unknowns didn't stop the Biden* administration, AND THE BUREAUCRATS LIKE FAUCI, from over-selling the vaccines by not highlighting the unanswered questions, like the ability to catch and spread the disease despite vaccination, how long immunity lasts, and how well with vaccines work again variants. Biden* of course is an ignorant mouthpiece. But Fauci et all know better. They purvey propaganda.




Moving on to the other side of the propaganda equation - how is intentionally bad reporting being used to propagandize people about COVID-19 and the various vaccines?

At the moment I'm not going to address the complete nonsense like 'vaccines change your DNA'. I'm going to focus on the reporting that PRETENDS to be based on objective facts, that does, in fact completely misrepresent reality.

I already addressed Signy's post where Berenson egregiously claimed that
Quote:

The pivotal clinical trial for the @pfizer #Covid vaccine shows it does nothing to reduce the overall risk of death. ZERO.
by using numbers from an altogether different study that had nothing to do with deaths from COVID-19. At all.


Here's some more propaganda.

Quote:

Gibraltar, Iceland See MASSIVE Covid Spike Despite Over 90% of Population Vaccinated
Countries across globe see similar phenomenon where the vaccinated are being reinfected with Covid. Stats prove vaccine actually spreading disease!
https://nworeport.me/2021/07/30/gibraltar-iceland-see-massive-covid-sp
ike-despite-over-90-of-population-vaccinated
/

So how massive is this massive spike?
Cases in Gibraltar went up from 2 to 30 ... ... not per capita, in the entire country. (FT.com/covid19).
Cases in Iceland have gone up from about 2 to about 116 ... not per capita, in the entire country. ( https://ourworldindata.org/)
By ignoring the denominator (2 cases) the authors could claim a 5700% increase in Iceland and a 1400% increase in Gibraltar, while ignoring the fact that the total number of cases is really, really low. IS this a MASSIVE COVID-19 spike as reported? Hardly.

BTW, not reporting the denominator is a very common method of inflating perceptions. I'll provide a mathematical example: in a country with ZERO COVID-19 cases, one case is a literally infinitely higher percentage than before. If I start out with one case, and increase to 11 cases, and while this is a completely minuscule number of cases in any country in the world, it calculates out to a 1,000% increase. And so on.



To get back to the same article, here's the headline again Gibraltar, Iceland See MASSIVE Covid Spike Despite Over 90% of Population Vaccinated. The only problem with the headline is that IT'S NOT TRUE.

In Iceland, +90% of its ELIGIBLE population has received at least one vaccine dose - eligible people are over 16 years old. But out of the total population only 74% are fully vaccinated ('our world in data'), not even remotely close to +90% as reported.
Similar untrue reporting has happened in stories about Israel for example (posted earlier). Being loosey goosey with the units - 'percent of eligible population' being reported as 'percent of total population' - is another way the authors are actively lying to the readers.

There's more, which I hope to address later, including this ridiculous claim "Stats prove vaccine actually spreading disease!".

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Monday, August 9, 2021 7:06 AM

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NYTimes

United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 5 14-day change
New cases 100,199 +119%
New deaths 439 +74%


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 7 14-day change
New cases 108,513 +111% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 506 +89% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 8 14-day change
New cases 110,360 +112% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 516 +92% deaths trajectory last two weeks

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Monday, August 9, 2021 8:39 AM

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Gotta inflate those death numbers again.

It's futile for them though.

People who were weak enough to get vaccinated already did. If they want everyone to get one, they're going to have to risk their lives attempting to administer the rest of them.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2021 8:56 AM

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Quote:

COVID: 90% of patients treated with new Israeli drug discharged in 5 days
By ROSSELLA TERCATIN AUGUST 5, 2021 22:24

The Phase II trial for an Israeli COVID drug saw some 29 out of 30 patients, moderate to serious, recover within days.

Some 93% of 90 coronavirus serious patients treated in several Greek hospitals with a new drug developed by a team at Tel Aviv’s Sourasky Medical Center as part of the Phase II trial of the treatment were discharged in five days or fewer.
The Phase II trial confirmed the results of Phase I, which was conducted in Israel last winter and saw 29 out of 30 patients in moderate to serious condition recover within days.

“The main goal of this study was to verify that the drug is safe,” Prof. Nadir Arber said. “To this day we have not registered any significant side effect in any patient from both groups.”

The trial was conducted in Athens because Israel did not have enough relevant patients. The principal investigator was Greece’s coronavirus commissioner, Prof. Sotiris Tsiodras.

Arber and his team, including Dr. Shiran Shapira, developed the drug based on a molecule that the professor has been studying for 25 years called CD24, which is naturally present in the body.

“It is important to remember that 19 out of 20 COVID-19 patients do not need any therapy,” Arber said. “After a window of five to 12 days, some 5% of the patients start to deteriorate.”

The main cause of the clinical deterioration is an over activation of the immune system, also known as a cytokine storm. In case of COVID-19 patients, the system starts attacking healthy cells in the lungs.

“This is exactly the problem that our drug targets,” he said.

CD24 is a small protein that is anchored to the membrane of the cells and it serves many functions including regulating the mechanism responsible for the cytokine storm.
Arber stressed that their treatment, EXO-CD24, does not affect the immune system as a whole, but only targets this specific mechanism, helping find again its correct balance.

“This is precision medicine,” he said. “We are very happy that we have found a tool to tackle the physiology of the disease.”

“Steroids for example shut down the entire immune system,” he further explained. “We are balancing the part responsible for the cytokine storms using the endogenous mechanism of the body, meaning tools offered by the body itself.”

Arber noted that another breakthrough element of this treatment is its delivery.
“We are employing exosomes, very small vesicles derived from the membrane of the cells which are responsible for the exchange of information between them,” he said.

“By managing to deliver them exactly where they are needed, we avoid many side effects,” he added.

The team is now ready to launch the last phase of the study.
“As promising as the findings of the first phases of a treatment can be, no one can be sure of anything until results are compared to the ones of patients who receive a placebo,” he said.

Some 155 coronavirus patients will take part in the study. Two-thirds of them will be administered the drug, and one-third a placebo.

The study will be conducted in Israel and it might be also carried out in other places if the number of patients in the country will not suffice.

“We hope to complete it by the end of the year,” Arber said.
If the results are confirmed, he vowed that the treatment can be made available relatively quickly and at a low cost.

“In addition, a success could pave the wave to treat many other diseases,” he concluded.



https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-90-percent-of-patients-treate
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Wednesday, August 11, 2021 3:32 PM

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NYTimes

United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 5 14-day change
New cases 100,199 +119%
New deaths 439 +74%


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 7 14-day change
New cases 108,513 +111% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 506 +89% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 8 14-day change
New cases 110,360 +112% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 516 +92% deaths trajectory last two weeks


United States ›
Avg. on Aug. 10 14-day change
New cases 118,067 +86% cases trajectory last two weeks
New deaths 608 +102% deaths trajectory last two weeks

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Friday, August 13, 2021 8:36 AM

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Quote:

Comparison of two highly-effective mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 during periods of Alpha and Delta variant prevalence

Although clinical trials and real-world studies have affirmed the effectiveness and safety of the FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines, reports of breakthrough infections and persistent emergence of new variants highlight the need to vigilantly monitor the effectiveness of these vaccines.
Here we compare the effectiveness of two full-length Spike protein-encoding mRNA vaccines

OK, this is the first that I've heard that these are both full-length spike protein-encoding vaccines. I had read that sputnik V was, but didn't know that about these

Quote:

from Moderna (mRNA-1273) and Pfizer/BioNTech (BNT162b2) in the Mayo Clinic Health System over time from January to July 2021, during which either the Alpha or Delta variant was highly prevalent.... cohorts of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals from Minnesota (n = 25,589 each) matched on age, sex, race, history of prior SARS-CoV-2 PCR testing, and date of full vaccination.

Both vaccines were highly effective during this study period against SARS-CoV-2

infection
mRNA-1273: 86%, 95%CI: 81-90.6%;
BNT162b2: 76%, 95%CI: 69-81%

and COVID-19 associated hospitalization
mRNA-1273: 91.6%, 95% CI: 81-97%;
BNT162b2: 85%, 95% CI: 73-93%.

However, in July, the effectiveness against

infection was considerably lower for
mRNA-1273 76%, 95% CI: 58-87% [and] more pronounced [reduced effectivenss for]
BNT162b2 42%, 95% CI: 13-62%.

[This was during] ... Delta variant prevalence in Minnesota increase from 0.7% in May to over 70% in July whereas the Alpha variant prevalence decreased from 85% to 13% over the same time period.

MORE HERE https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

I was looking thru the paper for the effectivenss of the vaccines against Delta hospitalizations but couldn't find it offhand, I was in too much of a hurry to head out shopping after a busy morning. and then had to fix dinner when I got home.

I've been posting 40% effectiveness against Delta infection for quite some time now, based on the Israeli study (which extensively used Pfizer). If the stats are the same, it's an 80% reduction in Delta hospitalizations. I'm sure the figures are buried in there somewhere.



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Friday, August 13, 2021 8:52 AM

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They'll just keep making up fake numbers until you stop taking them seriously.

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Friday, August 13, 2021 8:56 AM

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Ah, I found the info in a graph: Protection against (primarily) Delta hospitalizations/ICU admissions was approx 80% for Moderna and 75% for Pfizer/BNT in July in Minnesota. No deaths were recorded in either cohort in Minnesota during the study. When the study was expanded to all states with Mayo facilities/patients, there was one death associated with Moderna and none with Pfizer/BNT.

Since there were at least 36,000 matched-patients in each cohort (unvax, Moderna, Pfizer/BNT) I think this is a robust study.

For people who like tabular data: Moderna v Pfizer/BNT v unvax



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Friday, August 13, 2021 9:15 AM

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Quote:

Other variants trigger more traditional COVID-19 symptoms that resemble the flu, such as the loss of smell, fever, shortness of breath, or persistent cough. However, the Delta variant appears to present more like the common cold, causing upper respiratory symptoms such as a sore throat or runny nose.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/delta-variant-covid-different-symptoms-
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Friday, August 13, 2021 10:30 AM

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It looks like the peak is passing. Proportionally, there doesn't seem to have been a delta 'youth benefit' when it comes to deaths, perhaps because POC were also heavily represented among the unvaxed.

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Friday, August 13, 2021 10:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

OK, this is the first that I've heard that these are both full-length spike protein-encoding vaccines. I had read that sputnik V was, but didn't know that about these

I'll have to go back to my source that says they weren't, and put it on my watch list. It'll take some digging.


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Friday, August 13, 2021 8:48 PM

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So I've been digging into the claim that the S1 subunit of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (the one that binds to ACE2 receptors) is toxic in itself, and that being exposed to the S1 subunit through vaccination causes COVID-19-like disease.

And I dug through all the literature to see for myself.

The end result is - that claim is almost completely not likely to be true.

And I was all set to start posting. But then I found this, which summarizes the topic nicely. So rather than type endless amounts, I'll just link it: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-deadly-coronavirus-spike-protein/

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Friday, August 13, 2021 9:59 PM

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This is something to keep an eye on.

The paper indicates that while the spike protein is subject to mutation, there's a highly conserved region of the entire spike protein (both S1 and S2 units) where they link together. This highly conserved region is not only highly conserved between SARS(1) and SARS(2) ... but conserved between many different versions of human and animal coronavirus.

If this protein portion triggers neutralizing antibodies, it could be a far superior vaccine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7151553/

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 2:39 AM

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 2:40 AM

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http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64494&p=2
Quote:


I looked very thoroughly into the supposed link between syncytin-1 and SARS-CoV-2 Spike1 - and it just isn't there.

I can post the links, but unless you read them, you won't see what I saw.

But if you're interested, here's one example. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352081823_SARS-CoV-2_spike_pr
otein_seropositivity_from_vaccination_or_infection_does_not_cause_sterility/fulltext/60bf9bda458515bfdb54ca29/SARS-CoV-2-spike-protein-seropositivity-from-vaccination-or-infection-does-not-cause-sterility.pdf


I sum however, looking at pregnancy outcomes on down through the individual amino acid sequences of both syncytin-1 and SARS-CoV-2 Spike1, there is no evidence of any effect on pregnancy which is the exact critical function of syncytin-1, and virtually no homology of it with SARS-CoV-2 Spike1 at the amino acid level (the longest stretch of amino acid similarities is =2-amino acids the same, one amino acid different, followed by 2 amino acids the same=).


(The only way people 'make it work' is by saying different amino acids are the same thing - oh, this is a hydrocarbon-chain amino acid so having this different other hydrocarbon-chain amino acid instead is just as good.

Here's the list of supposed amino acid homologies. Each amino acid is designated by a single letter. And you'll see that in many of the areas of supposed identity, the letters are NOT the same. Basically, someone decided a different amino acid was good enough to count.
)

In addition, I can't find a critical role for syncytin-1 besides pregnancy. And that means syncytin-1 has no central role in males, and no central role in the elderly. And therefore its relative lack has no central role in health for non-pregnant females.




I do get that some old people smell funky because I've smelled that same smell myself on some of the many thousands of patients I've dealt with in my various jobs. And maybe some seriously ill people also smelled funky in the same way (and I do means seriously ill, as in dying of heart failure).

But as much as I looked, I found no link between 2-nonenal (or its further metabolites) and syncytin-1.


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Saturday, August 14, 2021 8:33 AM

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Quote:

Vaccine Expert Vanden Bossche Calls For "Immediate Halt" To Vaccinations, Says They Encourage "Escape Mutant" Variants
As cited on Zerohedge. Original article here ...

Quote:

C-19 Pandemia: Quo vadis, homo sapiens?

1. Summary:

The WHO’s mass vaccination program has been installed in response to a public health emergency of international concern. As of the early days of the mass vaccination campaigns, at least a few experts have been warning against the catastrophic impact such a program could have on global and individual health. Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape variants that are featured by increasing infectiousness and resistance to spike protein (S)-directed antibodies (Abs), thereby diminishing protection in vaccinees and threatening the unvaccinated... This first critical step can only be achieved by calling an immediate halt to the mass vaccination program and replacing it by widespread use of antiviral chemoprophylactics while dedicating massive public health resources to scaling early multidrug treaments of Covid-19 disease.



MORE AT https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/c-19-pandemia-quo-vadis-homo-s
apiens


I bring this up to ask a question about vaccine-induced enhanced transmissibility:
Doesn't the same occur BECAUSE OF widespread infection?
Human populations are not passive recipients of viruses. Humans develop immunity to coronavirus spike proteins DURING a pandemic, even in the absence of a vaccine. The virus itself changes its own environment, propelling it towards greater transmissibility even in the absence of vaccines.

Every effort to control an infection or a pest... indeed, ANY unwanted organism ... leads to resistance. And in the case of a pandemic, as each infected individual mounts their own defenses, the chances of a resistant variant increases.
Practically speaking, the current infectious Delta variant emerged in INDIA in the absence of a widespread vaccination program

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The possible companion article is this

Quote:

India's Ivermectin Blackout
as cited on Zerodhedge, original article linked here

Quote:

Ivermectin Wins in India

News of India's defeat of the Delta variant should be common knowledge. It is just about as obvious as the nose on one's face. It is so clear when one looks at the graphs that no one can deny it.



https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-b
lackout/article_e3db8f46-f942-11eb-9eea-77d5e2519364.html


The article provides some less-than-compelling evidence of ivermectin's success by comparing India's sharp drop in delta variant cases and deaths, and its case and death rates to that of the USA, crediting ivemectin with India's "success". However, I take these indicators with a grain of salt because (1) nations with delta variant epidemics experience similae rapid drops in infections and cases, and (2) in terms of absolute case and death rates, India has a significant under-reporting problem because of overall poverty and the chaos and corruption of its healthcare sector. I find the comparisons between one Indian state (eg Uttar Pradesh using ivermectin v Tamil Nadu using vaccination) to be more persuasive.
But regardless of the actual success (or lack) of ivermectin in preventing/treating Covid-19, doesn't the same argument hold?
That wiespread use of ANY control measure will lead to the development of a resistant strain of SARS-Cov2, especially since the SAR virus is so prone to mutation, just as widespread use of HCQ led to resistant malaria?

This isnot to say that we shouldn't use whatever control measures are available, but we should also recogie that the mutable SARS=Cov2 virus will eventually escape virtually ANY control measure we place on it, except maybe N95 masks.

I therefore find the argument that a specific control meaasure will lead to resistant strains to be unpersuasive, since reistant strains have already developed WITHOUT control measures being in place, and will develop for ANY chemical/biological control measure put in place.



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Saturday, August 14, 2021 11:39 AM

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 11:52 AM

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Signy, I agree. If you look at all the variants out there, including delta, they arose out of unvaccinated populations.

Anyway, on the topic of outbreaks, resistant strains, and vaccinations, I think agriculture could teach us a thing or three. Looking at agricultural practices to counter epidemics, they often include culling - and sometimes added to a quarantine or cordon sanitaire - usually because there's no available vaccine. But we generally don't do that with people.

February 10, 2020
Vietnam culls tens of thousands birds to contain H5N6 outbreak
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vietnam-birdflu-idUSKBN204150

October 19, 2018
China culls 200,000 pigs due to African swine fever - official
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-swinefever-culling-idUSKCN1MT
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January 26, 2021
Bird Flu in Sweden: Culling of 1.3 Million Chickens
https://www.medindia.net/news/bird-flu-in-sweden-culling-of-13-million
-chickens-199570-1.htm


Sometimes culling and a quarantine or a 'cordon sanitaire' are combined.

In 2001, an outbreak of hoof-and-mouth disease threatened the meat
https://www.solutioninn.com/in-2001-an-outbreak-of-hoofandmouth-diseas
e-threatened-the-meat-supply




When a rabies outbreak in raccoons started spreading northward from Georgia; and a rabies outbreak in coyotes started spreading northward from Mexico; mass vaccination was used to stop them (using air-dropped animal-species and rabies strain-specific oral rabies vaccines).



Vaccines are commonly used to prevent disease outbreaks in livestock and poultry operations.
https://www.msdvetmanual.com/poultry/nutrition-and-management-poultry/
vaccination-programs-in-poultry

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7348623/
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahms/beefcowcalf/downloads/b
eef0708/Beef0708_is_GenVacc_1.pdf




As far as I know, there have been no reports of outbreaks due vaccine-resistant strains, despite decades of using vaccines to prevent economic loss (as opposed to loss from disease). In any case, I think vaccination of livestock and poultry would make terrific epidemiological models to study.

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 12:09 PM

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They've never gotten rid of the flu or the common cold.

Like I said from day one, everybody in the world will get Covid.

The lucky ones will be the people who got the original virus and built up a natural immunity to any variants.

People who got vaccinated are fucked.

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 1:27 PM

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The Delta variant is already more like the common cold. The lucky ones will catch the highly transmissible but less-deadly version.

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Monday, August 16, 2021 9:15 PM

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The question has come up as to whether or not long-COVID is static or progressive. I've done an initial look-through, and haven't found anyone addressing the question. But I'll continue looking.

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Tuesday, August 17, 2021 8:45 AM

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Saturday, August 21, 2021 12:26 PM

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So what's going on with Israel?

Israel has 3 extremely sharp COVID-19 peaks so far.

6276 cases/ 7 days Sep 27 2020
39 deaths / 7 days Oct 15 2020
CFR 0.62

8190 cases/ 7 days Jan 15 2021
65 deaths / 7 days Jan 25 2021
CFR 0.79

6991 cases/ 7 days Aug 21 2021
5923 cases/ 7 days Aug 9 2021
21 deaths / 7 days Aug 21 2021
CFR 0.35

Pfizer mass vaccination: Jan 1 - March 31 2021
Most eligible people were vaccinated 5-8 months ago, reaching a peak for the first vaccination wave of 57% of the total population.

Israel's vax eligibility age limit was 16, and about 25% of its population is under 16. So about 25% are unvaxed due to age, and by calculation about 18% are eligible unvaxed. So current cases are probably skewed to the young; and deaths have a 'youth discount'.

With that in mind, the current CFR at roughly half the previous CFR may be in part due to an age discount and not vaccination status.

Obviously these are 'back of the envelope' calculations; I'm sure the Israeli government has exact figures.

That might be why Israel is giving out booster shots. Vax effectiveness against death isn't as robust as they supposed.

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Saturday, August 21, 2021 1:18 PM

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'New cases' peaked at about +119%. 'New deaths' peaked at about +116%. I'm not seeing any indication that the delta variant comes with a CFR discount. While both cases and infections are both still rising, cases is rising at a much slower rate, so the delta inflection point is in the past. Death appears to be slowing down, but the data is noisier, so it's too equivocal to definitively tell.

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