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The desire of House Democrats to avoid confusing the issue by turning their impeachment inquiry into a sprawling investigation or a comprehensive accounting of Donald Trump’s crimes is understandable. And certainly if Senate Republicans indicate that they are prepared to hold Trump accountable in exchange for Democrats agreeing to act swiftly so that the country can move on, Democrats should do the responsible thing and remove Trump from office ASAP.

But there’s no indication that’s happening. Instead, among Republicans, only Sen. Mitt Romney has spoken about Trump’s misconduct with any degree of clarity, and even Romney hasn’t said he deems the total subversion of American foreign policy to necessarily be an impeachable offense.

If Republicans are going to stand by Trump regardless, there is absolutely no reason to cut the impeachment inquiry short or artificially limit its scope. The volume of leaks coming out of the Trump White House sometimes creates the impression that we have visibility into what’s really happening there. The moral of the Ukraine story is that isn’t true. A whistleblower’s memo brought new facts to light that were previously being covered-up. And the memo itself was nearly covered up. The launching of the formal inquiry has brought forth fruitful testimony from government officials who were apparently planning to stay silent otherwise.

It’s certainly possible that Trump’s corrupt dealings with Ukraine is the only example of him attempting dirty deals with foreign leaders. But it’s also quite possible it’s just the only example we happen to know about.

What we know for sure is that there are other call records that have been inappropriately kept on a super-classified server in order to shield their contents from other people in the government. Unless Republicans start showing some immediate interest in removal over Ukraine it would be political malpractice to not look into what’s happening during Trump’s calls with leaders of countries like Turkey, Russia, and Saudi Arabia.

"It’s time to broaden the impeachment inquiry"
More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/24/20927844/impeachment-inquir
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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You won't have to worry about it. Impeachment isn't going to happen.

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tick tock dummy. The house is going to impeach in about a month or so.

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My only question is: how much bigger will the crowds be at his impeachment than at his inauguration?

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We'll find out in about a month or so G. Since Trump included the TV audience in his calculations determining crowd size, I don't see why we can't. I bet it's going to be a whopper of a number.

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Ha!

I dare say by a whole heckuva lot!


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My only question is: how much bigger will the crowds be at his impeachment than at his inauguration?

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I know it's going to be fun, but -- this is important --

Will it be catered?



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I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Don't know but please, stop by and watch it with us old friend.

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Only 2,440 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 001286

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Since Trumps been in office for 1,011 days now. And the house is going to impeach him in about a month. I'd say you're quite a bit off.

I guess you and your troll friends should have focused more on the facts surrounding Trumps corruption, and less on the Clintons.

Fucking morons.

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Only 2,440 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 001286

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Since Trumps been in office for 1,011 days now. And the house is going to impeach him in about a month.

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Only 2,440 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 001286

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Since Trumps been in office for 1,011 days now. And the house is going to impeach him in about a month.

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No. No it is not

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Afraid so. What happens after the house impeaches is what happens after the house impeaches. You've shown you're not a good predictor of, well anything, so I think I'll wait and see.

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What's missing!?

Oh, right! Pull back the camera and you'll see Putin's hand up Trump's ass.............Bwah, ha, ha, ha.

I made a funny!


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2020 is going to make 2016 look like a holiday when Democrats get smashed after more than a year of an impeachment inquiry leading to nothing before Trump's re-election.

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Hmmm, I'm not to sure that it's been a year of impeachment inquiry. It might seem like it because so much has happened.

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Pelosi and company have stated that they will vote this coming Thursday for Impeachment. So, the Republicans get their wish.

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What's missing!?

Oh, right! Pull back the camera and you'll see Putin's hand up Trump's ass.............Bwah, ha, ha, ha.

I made a funny!


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That's pretty good, SGG.

I was just going to say "shouldn't it be a Trump puppet holding a Barr puppet with Putin's hand up Trump's ass?" before I saw you already said it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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The dems are nailing the door shut dummy. Their locking the republicans in. It's time to get them on the record. They're, the republicans, already trying to shut that down by saying too late. Funny to watch them scrambling again and again trying to keep up with the dems.

More bad testimony showing Trump abused his power by trying to extort a foreign country. That he tried to extort Ukraine into digging up dirt on an American in an up and coming election. Opps...

tick tock

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I'd have left here if it weren't for Second's intelligent posts. Worth reading.

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Shit, I'm hurt. Naaaa, come back and enjoy the impeachment with your friends.

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Love the visual G. Giuliani said they contacted Mueller 11 days ago with a new offer concerning Trump talking with Mueller. They have not heard back. Does this mean Trump is no longer a person of interest and instead now the target of an investigation.

Isn't this exciting?

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It is! He's committing crimes in front of billions of people. It's like his guilt is typing for him. An incredible show - wouldn't miss it for the world. How many are going down with him? Are lawyers immune to "Obstruction" charges? Giuliani's pretty well admitted (also on camera) that he's counseled Trump to lie.

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Remember this G. Since the election these two have been breaking the law. It never stopped and now it's all coming home to roost. Trump will be impeached by the house in a month or so, and Giuliani is going to jail if he doesn't start to sing.

Now I know the trolls like to point out how long it is taking, but being trolls their stupid. We're talking about the most powerful man in the world, well, he does get played by everyone he has to deal with, even so it takes a lot to take him down. Mostly because the republicans are so corrupt.

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Remember this G. Since the election these two have been breaking the law. It never stopped and now it's all coming home to roost. Trump will be impeached by the house in a month or so, and Giuliani is going to jail if he doesn't start to sing.

Now I know the trolls like to point out how long it is taking, but being trolls their stupid. We're talking about the most powerful man in the world, well, he does get played by everyone he has to deal with, even so it takes a lot to take him down. Mostly because the republicans are so corrupt.

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Shit, I'm hurt. Naaaa, come back and enjoy the impeachment with your friends.

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"The Worst Businessman in America"

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The Senate cannot deal with Trump. More than a third of the Senators have already decided that Trump shall forever be innocent of everything and anything that he ever did, or will do. It will be the House which must dig up Trump's skeletons and decide what to do with them because the Senate is helpless. If the rotten old bones are laid out for every voter to see, there is a slightly increased chance Trump won't be reelected. But if the House stops digging after investigating a phone call to Ukraine, then sends the case to the Senate, Trump's chances of reelection will be unchanged. His reelection chances might even improve once the Senate declares Trump NOT GUILTY, which I am certain the Senate will do.

Trump's tax returns are where the real dirt is, and the House has not even started auditing:
"The Worst Businessman in America"
https://newrepublic.com/article/153855/trump-tax-returns-worst-busines
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The Senate cannot deal with Trump. More than a third of the Senators have already decided that Trump shall forever be innocent of everything and anything that he ever did, or will do. It will be the House which must dig up Trump's skeletons and decide what to do with them because the Senate is helpless. If the rotten old bones are laid out for every voter to see, there is a slightly increased chance Trump won't be reelected. But if the House stops digging after investigating a phone call to Ukraine, then sends the case to the Senate, Trump's chances of reelection will be unchanged. His reelection chances might even improve once the Senate declares Trump NOT GUILTY, which I am certain the Senate will do.

Trump's tax returns are where the real dirt is, and the House has not even started auditing:
"The Worst Businessman in America"
https://newrepublic.com/article/153855/trump-tax-returns-worst-busines
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Pleeeeenty of time for him to do more f-ups. He can't shut up or keep his hands out of the cookie treasury. More and more of the people who worked for him are speaking out. Cripes, even Bolton. He has a few diehards, but they could find the cost of supporting him too high. Just keep a camera and a microphone on him.

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Pleeeeenty of time for him to do more f-ups. He can't shut up or keep his hands out of the cookie treasury. More and more of the people who worked for him are speaking out. Cripes, even Bolton. He has a few diehards, but they could find the cost of supporting him too high. Just keep a camera and a microphone on him.

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Another impeachable offense that the Senate will ignore:

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It seems there's a new one every other day - enough to impeach 10 presidents.
I will remain optimistic that there's a chance. When I watch English soccer, I'm struck at how quickly fans give up on their team. 4-0 with another half to play and they stream out. Can you imagine missing out on that kind of comeback?

http://footyjokes.net/top-10-greatest-comebacks-in-english-premier-lea
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It does happen. And in this instance, we don't have to rely on luck.

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Yeah, that whole syrian oil thing.

I KNEW you'd flip-flop SLOPPY, first complaining that Trump was wihdrawing the troops then complaining that they're staying.

And yeah, I agree ...if we're trying to keep the oil that's international piracy ... but when has committing war crimes ever stopped Obama or GWB?

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Fact: Pelosi’s inquiry is officially the first presidential impeachment inquiry in modern history authorized by members of only one party.




Finally. It's happening.

100% chance of Trump re-election in 2020 now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Well, Turkey in Syria is what happens when US democrats makes promises - like to the Kurds - the US can't in reality keep.

The US had token forces along the border - about 50 troops - not much more than a literal line in the sand. Should Turkey want to do something, there were few choice: - keep insufficient troops in place and have them get slaughtered; - remove troops from harm's way; - beef troops up to a fighting force and be prepared to engage in full-scale .W.A.R. with Turkey. (As I mentioned earlier, the final hold on Erdogan was the US dollar and sanctions; and Turkey slipped the noose when it joined the SWIFT alternative. One month later, Turkey moved on Syria.)

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So, why are there troops in Syria at all? It wasn't actually to protect the Kurds, as we have seen. Instead, it was to take and hold the oil fields ... as we have seen. Troops were withdrawn from the Kurds, and repositioned from all of Syria, to protect our REAL interests, which is the industrial-scale theft of oil from the NE Syrian oil fields. Trump told you all the truth: "The oil is protected.". ... except protected should read "protected".

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Like the US making-nice with Salman of Saudi Arabia (petrodollar) after Khashoggi's murder, we get to see the US's REAL interests play out.

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And it's what the US has been doing all these decades, even if in the past it was hidden behind pretty-sounding narratives (freedom! capitalism!) that they (successfully) propagandized (you all) with. Now it's just out in the open.

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ETA: Signy's been saying the same thing FAR before me. But you (all) are too idiotically tribal (and propagandized) to see reality when it up and smacks you in the face.

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Well, Turkey in Syria is what happens when US democrats makes promises - like to the Kurds - the US can't in reality keep.

The US had token forces along the border - about 50 troops - not much more than a literal line in the sand. Should Turkey want to do something ...

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Esper said Turkey has more than 15,000 forces involved in its offensive against the Kurds, while the U.S. had fewer than 50 troops in the immediate area of attack.

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... there were few choice: - keep insufficient troops in place and have them get slaughtered; - remove troops from harm's way; - beef troops up to a fighting force and be prepared to engage in full-scale .W.A.R. with Turkey. (As I mentioned earlier, the final hold on Erdogan was the US dollar and sanctions; and Turkey slipped the noose when it joined the SWIFT alternative. One month later, Turkey moved on Syria.)

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October 8, 2019
The agreement envisages connecting Turkish banks and companies to the Russian version of SWIFT payment system ...

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Kiki doing the usual lazy cutting and pasting theorizing. Zerohedge?

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So, why are there troops in Syria at all? It wasn't actually to protect the Kurds, as we have seen. Instead, it was to take and hold the oil fields ... as we have seen. Troops were withdrawn from the Kurds, and repositioned from all of Syria, to protect our REAL interests, which is the industrial-scale theft of oil from the NE Syrian oil fields. Trump told you all the truth: "The oil is protected.". ... except protected should read "protected".

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Some U.S. Troops May Remain In Northeast Syria To Protect Oil Fields

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More sloppy thinking and simply dishonest (lying).

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and it's Trump's call to keep them or move them.

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"We're leaving soldiers to secure the oil"

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There's no through line as you suggest, from the last admin to sleazy Donnie's.

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Like the US making-nice with Salman of Saudi Arabia (petrodollar) after Khashoggi's murder, we get to see the US's REAL interests play out.

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That was Trump, not "the US."

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And it's what the US has been doing all these decades, even if in the past it was hidden behind pretty-sounding narratives (freedom! capitalism!) that they (successfully) propagandized (you all) with. Now it's just out in the open.

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Decades? The same mo through all of those different admins? Just dumb.

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Well, Turkey in Syria is what happens when US democrats makes promises - like to the Kurds - the US can't in reality keep.

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The US had token forces along the border - about 50 troops - not much more than a literal line in the sand. Should Turkey want to do something, there were few choice: - keep insufficient troops in place and have them get slaughtered; - remove troops from harm's way; - beef troops up to a fighting force and be prepared to engage in full-scale .W.A.R. with Turkey.

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The US had token forces along the border - about 50 troops - not much more than a literal line in the sand. Should Turkey want to do something, there were few choice: - keep insufficient troops in place and have them get slaughtered; - remove troops from harm's way; - beef troops up to a fighting force and be prepared to engage in full-scale .W.A.R. with Turkey.

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The US had token forces along the border - about 50 troops - not much more than a literal line in the sand. Should Turkey want to do something, there were few choice: - keep insufficient troops in place and have them get slaughtered; - remove troops from harm's way; - beef troops up to a fighting force and be prepared to engage in full-scale .W.A.R. with Turkey.

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Noam Chomsky knew 1kiki would repeat the same words. He responds:
A small, U.S. contingent with the sole mission of deterring a planned Turkish invasion, which was obvious, is not imperialism. It’s protecting the Kurds from an expansion of the atrocities and massacres that Erdogan has been carrying out both within Turkey itself and in the areas of Syria that he’s already conquered.
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/31/deconstructed-special-the-noam-cho
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but U.S. troops on the ground are backed by tank-killing planes in the air. Erdogan knows this even if 1kiki is unaware.

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