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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by second:
Anyone who has been f

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And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by second:
This is

a fart




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by second:
Actually ...

fart




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 3:54 PM

REAVERFAN


A New Report on Trump's Foreign Business Holdings Points to a Gobsmacking Level of Corruption
There's a sprawling infrastructure of conflicts of interest, entanglements with foreign governments and shady characters, and flat-out lies.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27752192/trump-foreign-business
-panama-azerbaijan-corruption
/

World of influence: A guide to Trump’s foreign business interests
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/06/trump-foreign-business-intere
sts
/

Holy cow.

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:43 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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Imagine this scene: A guilt-stricken official who worked for President Donald Trump sits down late at night to confess his agony. “What is the cost of lies?” the weary official says into a tape recorder, sitting in his dark kitchen. “It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then?’’

The theme of lies — the destruction of truth by a regime devoted to self-preservation — pervades “Chernobyl” in a way that is wildly relevant to America in the age of birtherism, Sarah Sanders, and “very fine people” who are neo-Nazis.

“Chernobyl” can be considered the best political film of our times because it illuminates a core problem of the Trump era: the nonstop jackhammer of falsehoods that are drowning out what’s true. The risk is that Americans who are inundated with moral rubbish from the White House and Fox News may lose the will to care about the difference between right and wrong, echoing what happened in the Soviet Union. When everything becomes gray and sluggish, there is no battle worth fighting.

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/05/what-the-horror-of-chernobyl-revea
ls-about-the-deceit-of-the-trump-era
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:05 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

A New Report on Trump's Foreign Business Holdings Points to a Gobsmacking Level of Corruption

There's a sprawling infrastructure of conflicts of interest, entanglements with foreign governments and shady characters, and flat-out lies.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27752192/trump-foreign-business
-panama-azerbaijan-corruption
/

World of influence: A guide to Trump’s foreign business interests

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/06/trump-foreign-business-intere
sts
/

Holy cow.



Way to go reaver. I love the way you are not deterred by the trolls who've latched onto this thread. Again, way to go.

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by second:
Imagine

this fart




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:08 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

fart

Imagine this scene: A guilt-stricken official who worked for President Donald Trump sits down late at night to confess his agony. “What is the cost of lies?” the weary official says into a tape recorder, sitting in his dark kitchen. “It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then?’’

The theme of lies — the destruction of truth by a regime devoted to self-preservation — pervades “Chernobyl” in a way that is wildly relevant to America in the age of birtherism, Sarah Sanders, and “very fine people” who are neo-Nazis.

“Chernobyl” can be considered the best political film of our times because it illuminates a core problem of the Trump era: the nonstop jackhammer of falsehoods that are drowning out what’s true. The risk is that Americans who are inundated with moral rubbish from the White House and Fox News may lose the will to care about the difference between right and wrong, echoing what happened in the Soviet Union. When everything becomes gray and sluggish, there is no battle worth fighting.

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/05/what-the-horror-of-chernobyl-revea
ls-about-the-deceit-of-the-trump-era
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Imagine...

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


There's Russians EVERYWHERE!!!!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's Russians EVERYWHERE!!!!

Revise that phrase to There's Fools EVERYWHERE!!!! Relative to the world's population, "Russians" are only a small percent, but "Fools" (or more politely "The Easily Fooled") are a very large percent, certainly over 50%. The saddest fact is that the "Fools" fatally believe they aren't fooled, that only they, with their good old-fashion common sense, know the truth, but when you look at their difficulties and struggles in life you know they are fooling themselves.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


OH NO!!! RUSSIAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 8:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
fart




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 8:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



Only 2,158 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 002630


26 posts today.

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 8:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


I fear this reaches far deeper than anyone could have ever imagined.

Anonymous sources say that even the Russians are working for Russia!!!!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, June 7, 2019 3:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
fart

Beyond parody. Hannity: “Hillary should be in jail.” Also Hannity: Locking up Trump would be “beyond despicable.”

Fox News host Sean Hannity, who has done more than anybody (except perhaps Donald Trump himself) to push the narrative that Hillary Clinton should be locked up, now thinks such calls are something that only happens in “banana republics” — at least when they’re directed toward Trump.

For years, Hannity’s conspiratorial case for imprisoning Clinton has been a centerpiece of his shows; even after the 2016 election, he’s used that narrative to deflect from damaging revelations stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference and the Trump campaign’s role in it. As recently as April, Hannity was characterizing Clinton’s email server as “a real threat to our safety and security.”

All of this, of course, has been about Hannity’s staunch support for Trump, not good-faith concerns about abuse of power and the rule of law. But if you need proof, Hannity provided it during his broadcast on Thursday.

On the heels of Politico reporting that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told senior Democrats she’d like to see President Donald Trump “in prison” during a meeting earlier this week, Hannity suddenly changed his tune about whether it’s appropriate to prosecute prominent politicians.

www.vox.com/2019/6/7/18656356/hannity-lock-them-up-pelosi-trump

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, June 7, 2019 4:30 PM

SIGNYM

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Beyond parody...

Fox News host Sean Hannity, who has done more than anybody (except perhaps Donald Trump himself) to push the narrative that Hillary Clinton should be locked up, now thinks such calls are something that only happens in “banana republics” — at least when they’re directed toward Trump.

For years, Hannity’s conspiratorial case for imprisoning Clinton has been a centerpiece of his shows; even after the 2016 election, he’s used that narrative to deflect ***from damaging revelations stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference and the Trump campaign’s role in it.***

Wow, talk about recycled farts!!

Hey SECONDRATE, I don't know if you know this or not, but the Mueller investigation is over and ... guess what?? .... NO COLLUSION* !

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Friday, June 7, 2019 5:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Beyond parody...

Fox News host Sean Hannity, who has done more than anybody (except perhaps Donald Trump himself) to push the narrative that Hillary Clinton should be locked up, now thinks such calls are something that only happens in “banana republics” — at least when they’re directed toward Trump.

For years, Hannity’s conspiratorial case for imprisoning Clinton has been a centerpiece of his shows; even after the 2016 election, he’s used that narrative to deflect ***from damaging revelations stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference and the Trump campaign’s role in it.***

Wow, talk about recycled farts!!

Hey SECONDRATE, I don't know if you know this or not, but the Mueller investigation is over and ... guess what?? .... NO COLLUSION* !

So many brain farts, his head will explode!

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Friday, June 7, 2019 5:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So many brain farts, his head will explode!

No, sadly sloppy seconds is releasing all his gassiness here. And boy! has he been gassy lately!




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Saturday, June 15, 2019 6:39 PM

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Pelosi wants to dodge an impeachment inquiry to protect her marginal Democrats, who fear retribution in 2020 in swing districts.

Pelosi’s refusal to pursue impeachment — despite the imploring by over half of the House Judiciary Committee Democrats — seems firmly rooted in her party’s electoral vulnerability for 2020.

Democratic representatives who publicly endorsed impeachment proceedings, with one exception in New Jersey, all won with over 60 percent of the vote and all hail from reasonably safe Democratic districts. In contrast, those Democrats who narrowly won in 2018 and represent GOP-leaning districts, have almost uniformly chosen not to endorse impeachment.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/heres-why-pelosi-wont-allow-the-house-
to-pursue-impeachment-—-at-least-not-yet/ar-AACVpPl


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Saturday, June 15, 2019 7:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Impeaching Trump is not what the Congress or the democrats need to be working on. They need to decide on a platform that will win people over, and put forth a candidate who people can really hope will change things for the better. Wait. Where did we hear that before?




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Saturday, June 15, 2019 8:22 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Nunes Drops The Hammer On Schiff's Stupid Fat Head


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Sunday, June 16, 2019 6:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Impeaching Trump is not what the Congress or the democrats need to be working on. They need to decide on a platform that will win people over, and put forth a candidate who people can really hope will change things for the better. Wait. Where did we hear that before?

Trump’s approval rating is 42.4%. Could the Democrats flip on climate change to make the 42.4% comfortable with the idea of voting for a Democrat as their Senator, not just for President? I think not. And until the percent of Senators who are Republican drops to 39% or less, the Federal government will continue to malfunction as the stubborn Trump supporting Senators continue their filibustering/roadblocking/gridlocking of Congress as they have done since 1979, when they first got more than 40 GOP Senators. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

The 51 GOP Senators will roadblock removing Trump by impeachment. Those 51 GOP Senators will roadblock any Democratic President. No Democratic platform will change the minds of those 51. No Democratic President has any chance until there are 39 or fewer GOP Senators and there is absolutely no imaginable platform with any arrangement of magical words from a Democratic President that can change the minds of GOP Senators.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, June 16, 2019 8:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Yup. It is a shame that Obama was such a bad president that he swung so many voters back the other way.

I do believe that if you look hard enough, you will find several posts of mine back in the day where I said that GWB was so bad that his administration singlehandedly ruined the GOP for at least a generation to come.

Not only did Obama's administration prove that wrong, but it was so bad that a reality TV star that drives you guys absolutely insane is going to get re-elected a year and a half from now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, June 16, 2019 9:59 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not only did Obama's administration prove that wrong, but it was so bad that a reality TV star that drives you guys absolutely insane is going to get re-elected a year and a half from now.



Meh - What used to drive me insane was just how ignorant or indifferent or both most Americans are. We get the government we, as a collective, deserve. So we got this freak - makes perfect sense - stupid people are easier to scam. I say that in all objective seriousness.

Having said that... I agree that Trump is the front runner for 2020, even if I also think that just about any Dem running is a better human being and would be a better president (for me)... obviously that warm fuzzy "shit" doesn't matter toward who wins.
So here's a question: If Trump gets a second term, will republicans and Trump lovers and Trump TV still be talking about Obama and Clinton?

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Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

So here's a question: If Trump gets a second term, will republicans and Trump lovers and Trump TV still be talking about Obama and Clinton?



I guess that depends.

Will the Never Trumpers still be talking about Putin and Russia and calling people who voted for Trump Nazis, misogynists, uneducated rednecks, etc.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:22 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

So here's a question: If Trump gets a second term, will republicans and Trump lovers and Trump TV still be talking about Obama and Clinton?



I guess that depends.

Will the Never Trumpers still be talking about Putin and Russia and calling people who voted for Trump Nazis, misogynists, uneducated rednecks, etc.




Nice dodge - same old Beavis. The 2 are not dependent. Seriously though, who else would support him?

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Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

So here's a question: If Trump gets a second term, will republicans and Trump lovers and Trump TV still be talking about Obama and Clinton?



I guess that depends.

Will the Never Trumpers still be talking about Putin and Russia and calling people who voted for Trump Nazis, misogynists, uneducated rednecks, etc.




Nice dodge - same old Beavis. The 2 are not dependent. Seriously though, who else would support him?




The two are exactly the same.

And the answer to both is yes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, June 16, 2019 9:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Nunes Drops The Hammer On Schiff's Stupid Fat Head


A belated THANKS for this.
I'm glad someone is keeping an accounting of all the breathless and untrue nonsense
uttered by leakers, the democrats, and with a special nod to the MSM,
during the course of the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! propaganda campaign.

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Sunday, June 16, 2019 11:10 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

A belated THANKS for this. I'm glad someone is keeping an accounting of all the breathless and untrue nonsense uttered by leakers, the democrats, and with a special nod to the MSM, during the course of the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! propaganda campaign.


Wow! After only 13 years I get a "THANKS" response! Even a belated one is appreciated, though I'm fairly stunned that you're the one making it. You're no fan of Trump, and I doubt you're a fan of Devin Nunes, so what's up with that?

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Sunday, June 16, 2019 11:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Above all else, I despise liars.

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Monday, June 17, 2019 9:05 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Above all else, I despise liars.




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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Are you nuts as well as being a liar?

You know, whenever someone posts RUSSIAN TROLL™, an emoticon, or a fact-less YouTube clip it looks like they're so out of facts and logic, they've SO lost the argument, they've gone a bit bonkers.

Is that you?




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:17 AM

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Mick Mulvaney isn't the only staffer who attempted to help the President avoid impeachment with a mid-interview cough.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:40 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's Russians EVERYWHERE!!!!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

In this thread, anyway.

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:15 PM

REAVERFAN


Trump's "no collusion" lie is finally falling apart — but will Americans actually notice?
Trump claims he read the Mueller report. He didn't. If he had, he'd know it's full of bad news for his presidency
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/18/trumps-no-collusion-lie-is-finally-fa
lling-apart-but-will-americans-actually-notice
/

Although the Mueller Report has been in the public domain for nearly two months, there’s still a ton of confusion and disinformation around it. The confusion is specifically due to two things: Very few voters have actually read it, and Donald Trump is delighted to exploit that fact. It doesn’t help that Robert Mueller has been more than a little cryptic about his findings — refusing to answer questions or to appear for congressional testimony to clear the air.

Consequently, the president and his Red Hat loyalists continue to repeat the “NO COLLUSION!' lie with very little push-back. The all-caps falsehood gains momentum every time Trump repeats it. Likewise, Bill Barr’s March 24 letter and his subsequent public remarks erroneously confirmed Trump’s lie before anyone, including Congress, was allowed to actually read the report.

The lies were thicker than Trump’s AquaNet during a must-see one-hour interview special with George Stephanopoulos, originally broadcast this past Sunday night. During an awkwardly staged conversation in “The Beast,” Trump’s presidential limousine, the president insisted to Stephanopoulos that Mueller literally reported “no collusion.” Predictably, this is a lie.

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:42 PM

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Even if Trump course-corrected and changed “no collusion” to “no conspiracy,” it wouldn’t hold much water either. Mueller writes on page 9: “... the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.” Simply put: there was evidence of conspiracy but not enough evidence to seek a criminal indictment. Mueller added that Trump campaign officials lied to investigators, which “impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.” The lies and the cover-up, drawn from mob tactics, flummoxed Mueller’s work.

On page 9, Mueller also writes that “the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign.” These “links” are roughly more than 100 clandestine meetings between Trump officials and Russians listed and described in Mueller’s report — meetings nearly all of these officials repeatedly lied about.

Despite these findings in the report, when asked whether the meetings took place, Vice President Mike Pence told Fox News Sunday, “Of course not. Why would there be any contacts between the campaign?” Whoops.

www.salon.com/2019/06/18/trumps-no-collusion-lie-is-finally-falling-ap
art-but-will-americans-actually-notice
/

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Even the House has given up on 'collusion'. Sheesh. Get a grip. Or if you can't manage that, get a clue.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECONDRATE is playing whack-a-mole, by being the mole.

SECONDRATE is simply spamming the board with irrelevent, trivial, biased, non-responsive, self-contradictory, hate-filled, and/or mendacious posts. It is SECONDRATE's own personal propaganda campaign.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


This did catch my eye.

“... the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.”

While a sitting PRESIDENT can't be indicted, it appears Mueller was certainly OK with indicting everyone else, on anything and everything he could find. So the fact that NOBODY was indicted for 'collusion' with 'Russians' (some of whom were Ukrainian, and many of those 'contacts' happening far before the Trump campaign) definitively clears the campaign.

But the same logic ALSO applies to 'obstruction'. While Trump can't be indicted, certainly everyone else can. Yet NOBODY was indicted. What does that tell you?

Well, the rhetorical 'you'. Not the 'you' who post here.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, it certainly doesn't tell the SECONDRATE "you" anything, because there's an epic logic-fail going on with the SECONDRATE "you", most likely caused by an emotional glitch of self-hate projected on to others, plus a soupcon of PTSD. Until the SECONDRATE "you" fixes its emotional glitch, the logic unit will continue to bonk.


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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:50 PM

REAVERFAN


You got owned.

Work on reading English. I know it's not your first language.

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 5:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You know, every time you resort to personal attacks, you expose that you're out of facts and logic.

Try responding to the fact: ANYONE besides Trump could have been indicted for obstruction, the exact same way ANYONE could have been indicted for 'collusion'. But NOBODY was indicted for anything even remotely related to obstruction.

Why is that?

Find me that text in the report that made everyone else besides Trump off-limits for obstruction charges.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 6:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


REAVERBOT never will, because REAVERBOT ALSO has a glitch in its ALU (arithmetic/logic unit).

And yes, I realize I'm resorting to personal attacks but... yanno, what the hell.. it's not like they ever listen to facts and logic anyway.

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


*** sigh ***

But, in the interest of promoting rational discussion, I will endeavor to stay on-point.

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I'm assuming you've never worked with anybody that comes from a foreign country and who's native language is not English, Marcos.

If Sigs and Kiki are Russian plants, they're extremely talented and highly trained plants that write English better than most Americans do. Usually, just as with verbal communication, there are plenty of tells over written communication that you're talking to somebody who uses English as a second language that are fairly obvious in your first interaction with them. You don't need to hear an accent to figure it out.

I rarely ever have to ask either of them to clarify their statements. I can't say that for everybody else on these boards.

This would seem to me to be a huge waste of Russian resources to have them post in the RWED in 2019. Not only is their audience beyond small here, but I don't believe that they've actually changed a single mind on how they're going to vote. I don't think anybody's mind has ever been changed on this in the history of the RWED.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 8:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



Only 2,145 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 002630


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Wednesday, June 19, 2019 6:02 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, it certainly doesn't tell the SECONDRATE "you" anything, because there's an epic logic-fail going on with the SECONDRATE "you", most likely caused by an emotional glitch of self-hate projected on to others, plus a soupcon of PTSD. Until the SECONDRATE "you" fixes its emotional glitch, the logic unit will continue to bonk.

The Mueller report is unequivocal in concluding that even if Trump is criminally innocent of obstruction, it is not for lack of trying. The main reason the investigation wasn’t completely thwarted was not that the president didn’t “endeavor” to thwart it — the definition of criminal obstruction — but rather that Trump’s subordinates refused to comply.

To take that out of lawyer-speak, Trump's subordinates understood that Trump was secretly obstructing justice, but if the subordinates refused to comply then Signym and 1kiki would not know that truth and Trump would not have to face an open-and-shut case of obstruction in a courtroom.

Most accounts of the Mueller report, understandably focused on the conclusions — obstruction? indictable? impeachable? — have omitted the detail needed to fully grasp both the madness in the White House and the sheer energy these aides had to expend to keep the presidential engine from jumping the track.

From the report itself, we learn in one example of potential obstruction of justice that on June 19, 2017, Trump instructed Corey Lewandowski, his former campaign manager, to tell Attorney General Jeff Sessions to give a speech denouncing the special counsel’s investigation. Lewandowski was at the time a private citizen — not, one would think, someone empowered to give orders to the attorney general.

Sessions, to the president’s lasting fury, had recused himself from the Russia investigation, which Trump saw as no obstacle to his further instruction to Lewandowski: tell Sessions to meet with the special counsel and order him to limit his inquiry to future election interference — implicitly shutting down the investigation into Russian interference on behalf of the Trump campaign in 2016. “Write this down,” the president told Lewandowski, who took notes on what Sessions was to say in the speech:

I know that I recused myself from certain things having to do with specific areas. But our POTUS…is being treated very unfairly. He shouldn’t have a Special Prosecutor/ Counsel b/c he hasn’t done anything wrong. I was on the campaign w/ him for nine months, there were no Russians involved with him. I know it for a fact b/c I was there. He didn’t do anything wrong except he ran the greatest campaign in American history…. Now a group of people want to subvert the Constitution of the United States. I am going to meet with the Special Prosecutor to explain this is very unfair and let the Special Prosecutor move forward with investigating election meddling for future elections so that nothing can happen in future elections….

The report then continues:

The President said that if Sessions delivered that statement he would be the “most popular guy in the country.” Lewandowski told the President he understood what the President wanted Sessions to do.

Lewandowski did not deliver this message to the attorney general.

More at www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/06/27/mueller-trump-impeachment-question/

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Wednesday, June 19, 2019 6:34 AM

THG


Trump’s empty Cabinet

Standing on the White House driveway, the president told reporters, “I’m really at a point where we’re getting very close to having the Cabinet and other things that I want.”

It hasn’t quite worked out that way. Instead, Trump has a Cabinet-by-default, many of whose members were simply the last man — or woman — standing after others pulled out of the running, declined the president’s job offers or couldn’t get through their nomination hearings.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-empty-cabinet/ar-AAD4GL
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Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:16 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Trump’s empty Cabinet . . .

By not filling positions, Trump is making sure that those parts of the government operate without input from Trump. He is effectively not President in those parts, which helps explain the chaos running around his administration.

There are 131 key positions that have no Trump nominee for the Senate to confirm.

There are 124 key positions where no one has been confirmed, but there is a nominee.

www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-administration-appointe
e-tracker/database
/

The reasons for the unfilled positions are numerous. The White House has had some difficulty finding capable and willing candidates. The president memorably had difficulty finding a Chief of Staff to replace John Kelly. Mick Mulvaney was eventually named acting Chief of Staff after a number of other candidates declined.

https://hillreporter.com/9-high-level-cabinet-positions-that-remain-un
filled-under-trump-30243


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Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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And yet, look at that... the sun still rises.

Somebody really needs to Six Sigma the Government and get rid of all of those unnecessary positions.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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