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I'm not religious. Like, at all...

I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS

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that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I was at a docs office yesterday and the nurse there blew it all off. "We lived through swine flu and Sars and everything else. People live, people die, whatever."

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SHITSTAIN - It’s worth parsing that coronavirus 2019-nCoV

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.

But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.

You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

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I'm not religious. Like, at all...

I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yes, AIDS is going to kill 2/3 of the world population before 1990 unless draconian measures must be enacted. Yawn. None of those insipid measures were taken.

AIDS is just a hoax. But it has snookered a couple generations so far.

ETA: I've met folk who claim they knew somebody who died of AIDS, or had AIDS. After they overcame their reluctance to share the facts, they always admitted the person was a drug addict, or on drugs known to kill humans, and their death was exactly the version known to follow the type of drugs they were taking. The same end as printed in the medical texts from the 1950s.

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In 1981 the first baffling outbreaks of disease - Kaposi's sarcoma and Pneumocystis carinii - are identified in gay men.

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Jeeze, JSF, it's like you got one message 40 years ago and haven't learned anything since.

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I honestly never imagined such abysmal ignorance could exist anywhere except backwards countries ruled by religion, superstition, and rumor.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
FIFY: nothing worth reading.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well ... ahem! since I was there, working in the medical arena at the time - I don't have to 'believe' it. I saw it. So I know it's true.

As for you, you seem to think it's a matter of religious 'belief'. OK, if you want to make that your religion that's fine by me.

But your religion isn't going to convince my facts. And personally I'd rather live in the real world, instead of your fantasy 'if I believe it enough it'll be true' world.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yanno JSF - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.

But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.

You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.

But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.

You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

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I'm not religious. Like, at all...

I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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I'm A Big Fat Moron burger.

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https://www.mintpressnews.com/wall-street-behind-delay-declaring-coron
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In June 2017, the World Bank announced the creation of “specialized bonds” that would be used to fund the previously created Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF) in the event of an officially-recognized (i.e. WHO-recognized) pandemic.

They were essentially sold under the premise that those who invested in the bonds would lose their money if any of six deadly pandemics hit, including coronavirus. Yet, if a pandemic did not occur before the bonds mature on July 15, 2020, investors would receive what they had originally paid for the bonds back in addition to interest and premium payments on those bonds that they receive between the date of purchase and the bond’s maturation date.

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"In 2017, there were 16,350 deaths among adults and adolescents with diagnosed HIV in the United States and 6 dependent areas. These deaths may be due to any cause."


SO because you didn't know any of the 16k people...out of 327 FUCKING MILLION... it must be a hoax.


Never have I ever met anyone in my life that is as willfully dumb as you are.

Every time I read your thoughts I feel

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But for them to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here, and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump's streak of winning, is a new level of sickness. You know, I don't know if this is coronavirus or Trump derangement syndrome, but these people are infected badly.

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KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

SIX: I'm not religious. Like, at all...

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I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

SIGNY: In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.
I've never done that in 40 years.

SIX: It is possible the Earth is round and travels around the sun. I willingly go along with that assumption because there is zero ROI to think otherwise or go down any of the Flat Earther rabbit holes.
I'm not convinced that we aren't in a simulation. And at the end of the day, whether we are or not is no matter.
My mind is one of the most open out there.
However, we have been lied to all of our lives blah blah blah

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.

You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!

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KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

SIX: I'm not religious. Like, at all...

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I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

SIGNY: In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.
I've never done that in 40 years.

SIX: It is possible the Earth is round and travels around the sun. I willingly go along with that assumption because there is zero ROI to think otherwise or go down any of the Flat Earther rabbit holes.
I'm not convinced that we aren't in a simulation. And at the end of the day, whether we are or not is no matter.
My mind is one of the most open out there.
However, we have been lied to all of our lives blah blah blah

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Oh, you think you're extra-crispy smart because you've entertained the notion that This could all be a dream? Well, sonny, I was asking that question whne I was EIGHT. and I didn't need to see The Matrix to prompt that thought. Furthermore, it's part of a long line of western philosophical discussion ... illusion versus reality. subjectivism versus objectivism ... so neither one of us can even claim to be particularly original.

And don't you think that it's just a little bit intellectually dishonest ... not to say hpocritical ... to be demanding evidence for some things, but then denying that evidence can even exist or that direct observation/exxperience can be probative when the argument doesn't go your way?

JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.

You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.

SIX: I'm not religious. Like, at all...

SIGNY: HA!

SIX ... I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.

SIGNY: In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.
I've never done that in 40 years.

SIX: It is possible the Earth is round and travels around the sun. I willingly go along with that assumption because there is zero ROI to think otherwise or go down any of the Flat Earther rabbit holes.
I'm not convinced that we aren't in a simulation. And at the end of the day, whether we are or not is no matter.
My mind is one of the most open out there.
However, we have been lied to all of our lives blah blah blah

Oh, you think you're extra-crispy smart because you've entertained the notion that This could all be a dream? Well, sonny, I was asking that question whne I was EIGHT. and I didn't need to see The Matrix to prompt that thought. Furthermore, it's part of a long line of western philosophical discussion ... illusion versus reality. subjectivism versus objectivism ... so neither one of us can even claim to be particularly original.

And don't you think that it's just a little bit intellectually dishonest ... not to say hpocritical ... to be demanding evidence for some things, but then denying that evidence can even exist or that direct observation/exxperience can be probative when the argument doesn't go your way?

JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.

You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!

SIX: You weren't a young child in school when they were terrorizing kids about an alleged disease that was going to kill you if you had sex yet in adulthood most people can't find somebody who knew somebody who had it.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What you probably haven't noticed is that I did leave an opening that there is an extremely small chance that AIDS or something like it does indeed exist. But your own "religion" of science seems to have let you gloss right over that fact.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack says that when he was 8 or 9 he was 'terrorized'. And despite the fact that he's had all these years to come up with an ADULT understanding and response, he hasn't managed. He's still that terrorized child, whose only way to deal with his anxiety is denial. There's something wrong with that picture. And I'm not necessarily faulting Jack. He may have a neurochemistry that leads to extreme anxiety. Or yanno, it could be something else.

But the picture he presents doesn't make sense as normal. No matter how terrorized you felt as a child, sooner or later you stop fearing the boogeyman as an existential threat. Or for my generation, you understand an accidental (or otherwise) nuclear confrontation could snuff you out at any time - AND YOU VOTE ACCORDINGLY - but you don't let it paralyze your life. So, imo, he should have resolved that by now.

And the resolution is ... yes, it exists. Take easy, commonsense precautions and you'll be OK. That situation is under his control.

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What you probably haven't noticed is that I did leave an opening that there is an extremely small chance that AIDS or something like it does indeed exist. But your own "religion" of science seems to have let you gloss right over that fact.

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It's not my "religion". I KNEW SOMEONE WHO HAD IT. And seeing as I worked with him closely, I knew that altho he was gay he wasn't a drug addict because he never came to work high. I knew approximately when he got it, why and where, and his initial symptoms and the treatments he was on- which ones were working and which weren't. We used to talk, privately and quietly in the "LIMS room" (our unofficial tiny conference room) about his love life, his situation, his finances, jewelry, office politics etc.

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If it does exist, and that is a BIG IF, it is nothing that ANYBODY should ever worry about for a single second of their entire lives.

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If you are a male homosexual or in a relationship with a male bisexual or a male who has spent more than a month in prison, you'd better worry about it!

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And it NEVER should have been used to terrorize 2nd graders in schools all over the country who hardly even knew what sex was back in the 80's.

Nilbog's numbers of a related yet very distinctly different disease altogether (HIV) put the number of deaths per year at 16,000 people.

BIG FAT FUCKING NOTHING BURGER.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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HIV is the virus. AIDS is the disease (the symptoms). It's like NCOV-19 is the virus, and COVID-19 is the disease. How did your understanding get so fucked up? I know there were rightwingers at the beginning of the epidemic who were convinced that AIDS was not caused by the virus (human immunodefiency virus, HIV) but the "gay lifestyle" of poppers, other drugs, and promiscuity, but as it became clearer and clearer that anti-retrovirals worked to control the symptoms and reduce viral load, I thought that rightwing trope died out. Listening to that being burped back is, like I said, listening to a flat-earther. May as well argue that HepC isn't caused by a virus either.

IMHO SIX, there's no point in discussing this with you. You won't bring up evidence for your POV, just denial and an experience from 2nd grade, an intensely emotional reaction that is just that: emotional.

Maybe this thread isn't the thread for you.


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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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SIX: What you probably haven't noticed is that I did leave an opening that there is an extremely small chance that AIDS or something like it does indeed exist. But your own "religion" of science seems to have let you gloss right over that fact.
SIGNY: It's not my "religion". I KNEW SOMEONE WHO HAD IT. And seeing as I worked with him closely, I knew that altho he was gay he wasn't a drug addict because he never came to work high. I knew approximately when he got it, why and where, and his initial symptoms and the treatments he was on- which ones were working and which weren't. We used to talk, privately and quietly in the "LIMS room" (our unofficial tiny conference room) about his love life, his situation, his finances, jewelry, office politics etc.
... IMHO SIX, there's no point in discussing this with you. You won't bring up evidence for your POV, just denial and an experience from 2nd grade, an intensely emotional reaction that is just that: emotional.
Maybe this thread isn't the thread for you


SIX: You've brought up no evidence either.

IMHO, you just bought into a scam.

I'll post wherever I want to. You can leave the thread if I'm annoying you. Fine with me.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Are you denying PTSD exists?

I would think that it's even more prevalent among children when they're terrorized.

Maybe one of your science friends should do a study on that, and see how much our Federally Mandated school programs are fucking up the future adults.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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2 new presumptive cases of COVID-19 that appear to be community spread were discovered - one in Washington state and one in Oregon. They're waiting on testing confirmation by the CDC.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So this is case 62 and 63, right?

60 was the first community case, then 61 was the 2nd community case, as I understand.

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https://www.mintpressnews.com/wall-street-behind-delay-declaring-coron
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In June 2017, the World Bank announced the creation of “specialized bonds” that would be used to fund the previously created Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF) in the event of an officially-recognized (i.e. WHO-recognized) pandemic.

They were essentially sold under the premise that those who invested in the bonds would lose their money if any of six deadly pandemics hit, including coronavirus. Yet, if a pandemic did not occur before the bonds mature on July 15, 2020, investors would receive what they had originally paid for the bonds back in addition to interest and premium payments on those bonds that they receive between the date of purchase and the bond’s maturation date.

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July 15, 2020 ... so near, yet so far away!

How long can Tedros hold out and avoid calling it a pandemic?

(It's somewhat more complicated than that and tied directly to the stock market, so if you're interested in details, go to the linked article.)

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"In 2017, there were 16,350 deaths among adults and adolescents with diagnosed HIV in the United States and 6 dependent areas. These deaths may be due to any cause."

SO because you didn't know any of the 16k people...out of 327 FUCKING MILLION... it must be a hoax.

Never have I ever met anyone in my life that is as willfully dumb as you are.
Every time I read your thoughts I feel

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Are you denying PTSD exists?

I would think that it's even more prevalent among children when they're terrorized.

Maybe one of your science friends should do a study on that, and see how much our Federally Mandated school programs are fucking up the future adults.

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You seem to be run by very strong anxieties. You say when you were a kid you lay awake stressing about imponderables. You worried about your house (which I think drove you to alcoholism), your teeth, and your overall health. It's a pattern you repeat about a lot of things. LIKE COVID-19, that bothered you so much you had to try to convince me to stop posting. But once you decided it was real, your anxieties drove you to conspiracy-land.

I'm not criticizing, I'm just observing. It looks like you have extremely powerful reactions you have to deal with.

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It's your AIDS religion. Please don't argue your AIDS religion in RWED.

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