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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
JACKAREN is beyond a flat-earther.

Because disagreement is one thing. But JACKAREN goes out of his way to initiate personal attacks and trolling of people who disagree with him.

And I'm going to continue responding, by pointing out that he's a sociopath, whenever he trolls me because I post something he doesn't like.

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Bullshit, Jack. Just stop. Stop being an ass, just because you can't let facts get in the way of your opinions

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I dunno Kiki. Youtube LOVES censoring stuff. Maybe you need to broaden your news sources to find what you're looking for.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
After he belittled me by posting as if I didn't know what I was talking about and then spammed the thread with his bullshit because he was too stupid to read the many times repeated word 'insertions' - see below.

You know, one doesn't need to call someone a well-deserved name to be a troll.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I dunno Kiki. Youtube LOVES censoring stuff. Maybe you need to broaden your news sources to find what you're looking for.

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But let me just take a moment to point out your YUGE double standard. I've been for the most part ignoring JACKass's trolling. And yet you find fault when I do kick back.

OTOH you don't seem to have a problem that JACKass does NOTHING BUT troll. Dooood. Take any 20 of JACKass's posts. And LOOK at them. What do you see? Lies. Personal attacks. Bogus claims. There is NO effort at ANY fact-based discussion from JACKass anywhere.

Stop excusing his behavior.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, let me be VERY clear: You're on my "ignore" list on the topic bc you not only lie about wht KIKI has posted, you lie about what YOU'VE posted, and you make serious logical errors by first claiming that "nobody knows what it all means" and THEN claiming to know that YOU know what it all means because it's all a DNC-inspired fake.

You are too emotionally and ideologically invested in the topic to have a rational discusison, much like SECONDRATE on the topic of Republicans.

Just so you know why I won't be responding to you much, if at all, on the topic.

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#WEARAMASK

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Says Karen from Commiefornia who is giving stimulus relief to people who don't even live here legally.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Then you must think it's very strange that California leads all other states in per capita GDP by a huge margin.

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But what does that have to do with COVID-19 and allowing states to reopen their economies at will, but at their own risk??

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... having heard very similar things about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) ...

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One of the problems with chloroquine (related to HCQ) is that it causes significant - and sometimes fatal - heart arrhythmias. Both these drugs have been used for a long time to treat other conditions besides malaria, such as lupus, As such, their side effects are well known. After a debate about the relative safety of both drugs, a small study in Brazil was launched to test chloroquine, as it was deemed the safer drug. The study was halted after only 10 days due to a large number of deaths (~17% of patients) on the higher dose. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.20056424v2

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not wearing a mask.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Herd Immunity Threshold Against COVID-19 May Be Lower Than Believed: Researchers
By Isabel van Brugen
July 21, 2020 Updated: July 21, 2020
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Herd immunity to COVID-19, the disease caused by the CCP virus, could be achieved with fewer people being infected than previously estimated, new research suggests.

According to an Oxford University study (pdf), the herd immunity threshold (HIT) may be lower than previous estimates because many people may already be innately immune to COVID-19—without ever having caught the disease.

A team of researchers from the University of Oxford’s Zoology Department, led by Professor Sunetra Gupta, produced a model that suggests as little as 20 percent of the population may need to be resistant to the virus to prevent a resurgence of an epidemic.

The study, which was published on July 16, is yet to be peer-reviewed.

“It is widely believed that the herd immunity threshold required to prevent a resurgence of SARS-CoV-2 is in excess of 50 percent for any epidemiological setting,” the paper says.

The researchers suggest that many people may have already built up some degree of resistance to the virus from exposure to seasonal coronaviruses, such as the common cold.

Herd immunity is achieved when enough people in a population have immunity to an infection to be able to effectively stop that disease from spreading. It lowers the chances of the virus being transmitted from person to person and reaching those who haven’t been infected yet.

People can become immune to certain viruses after surviving infection or being vaccinated. Typically, at least 70 percent of a population must be immune to achieve herd immunity. But how long immunity lasts varies depending on the virus.

“Here, we demonstrate that HIT may be greatly reduced if a fraction of the population is unable to transmit the virus due to innate resistance or cross-protection from exposure to seasonal coronaviruses,” wrote study authors Jose Lourenco, Francesco Pinotti, Craig Thompson, and Gupta.

“These results help to explain the large degree of regional variation observed in seroprevalence and cumulative deaths, and suggest that sufficient herd immunity may already be in place to substantially mitigate a potential second wave,” they added.

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The researchers said that when people who are resistant to a virus mix with non-resistant people, the HIT drops significantly.

“Given the mounting evidence that exposure to seasonal coronaviruses offers protection against clinical symptoms, it would be reasonable to assume that exposure to SARS-CoV-2 itself would confer a significant degree of clinical immunity,” the researchers suggest.

“Thus, a second peak may result in far fewer deaths, particularly among those with comorbidities in the younger age classes.”

More than 14.7 million people have been reported to be infected by the CCP virus worldwide and at least 610,000 have died, according to a tracking map by Johns Hopkins University, although the figures are believed by some experts to be unreliable owing to inaccurate [too low] data from China.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Once again JACK is reduced to inarticulateness by lack of data, thought, and coherency.

I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
From 23 April:

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... having heard very similar things about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) ...

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One of the problems with chloroquine (related to HCQ) is that it causes significant - and sometimes fatal - heart arrhythmias. Both these drugs have been used for a long time to treat other conditions besides malaria, such as lupus, As such, their side effects are well known. After a debate about the relative safety of both drugs, a small study in Brazil was launched to test chloroquine, as it was deemed the safer drug. The study was halted after only 10 days due to a large number of deaths (~17% of patients) on the higher dose. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.20056424v2

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kiki does not really endorse the fake Trial in Brazil, but posts of it here. The purpose of the Fake Trial was to discredit HCQ/CQ since it had already proven reliable for about 80 years. It has already been known that at higher doses it causes problems with hearts, so the Fake Trial intentionally gave higher doses in order to have pretext to halt the Fake Trial.

This is a similar tactic used in prior Fake Trials which were manipulated to fail.
One was the Hydrazine Sulfate cancer cure which the NIH pretended to run in the 1990s. The one thing that everybody knew could not be done is consume peanuts or peanut butter while taking Hydrazine Sulfate. After almost all of the Trial subjects were showing regression and absence of their cancers, in order to Fail the Trial, the NIH directed that all of the recovering patients switch their diets from "no peanuts" to requiring them to all consume peanuts every meal. Therefore, obviously, these patients died, giving pretext for the excuse to cancel the Fake Trials and declare the treatment ineffective.

Seems like the same thing now with the Fake Trials for HCQ. Anything for Doctors to kill off some more patients and Big Pharma to make more $$$.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
What 'source' would you accept if it told you COVID-19 was a problem?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Then you are beyond reason. Some people call that insane.

Let's see if JSF is there with you.

Putting you on 'ignore'.

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