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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
Sunday, December 13, 2020 3:04 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, December 14, 2020 12:13 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Tuesday, December 15, 2020 6:04 PM
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Tuesday, December 22, 2020 12:56 PM
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 1:02 PM
Quote: U.S. deaths top 3 million, by far the most in one year The increase over 2019’s total fatalities will mark the largest single-year percentage leap since 1918. Final mortality data for this year will not be available for months. But preliminary numbers suggest that the United States is on track to see more than 3.2 million deaths this year, or at least 400,000 more than in 2019. ... the 2020 numbers amount to a jump of about 15%, and could go higher once all the deaths from this month are counted. ... life expectancy for 2020 could end up dropping as much as three full years, said Robert Anderson of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://apnews.com/article/us-coronavirus-deaths-top-3-million-e2bc856b6ec45563b84ee2e87ae8d5e7
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 1:06 PM
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 1:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And of course there's the "mutant" coronavirus: UK mutant coronavirus is probably already in U.S., Fauci says Atlanta Journal-Constitution|3 hours ago A mutant form of the coronavirus that originated in the United Kingdom is probably already in the U.S., according to Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 3:09 PM
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 4:34 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Signy, just in case you're not keeping track, SoCal data is dire - last I knew about a week ago positivity rates were at 11% (I think they're higher now), and as of last night there were all of 20 ICU beds left in all of SoCal (KNX1070), with many hospitals having no beds left. Transmission is now rampant household-to-household, and within households. (KNX107) Stay safe!
Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Just as WISHI doesn't understand it's possible to disagree with people and even struggle against them without hating anyone (or in her extreme case, having her emotions, thoughts, and life ruled by hate), you seem to be oblivious to the notion that it's possible to be careful without being afraid (or in your extreme case, having your emotions, thoughts, and life ruled by fear/ anxiety).
Wednesday, December 23, 2020 12:37 AM
Wednesday, December 23, 2020 1:04 AM
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Wednesday, December 23, 2020 2:01 AM
Wednesday, December 23, 2020 2:29 AM
Wednesday, December 23, 2020 10:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: BTW, no you DIDN'T say so from day one. There was a time when you were all over the JH numbers. But then ... they didn't go your way.
Quote:What does your family say when you tell them every news item from anywhere in the world over all this time through any media you can think of is all faked?
Wednesday, December 23, 2020 2:39 PM
Quote:To this day, I still don't know a single person who's had it, unless you include the guy who did my gutters who I finally stopped chasing to get something fixed that his guys messed up after he used Covid as an excuse
Quote:They don't believe the media any more than I do, about anything.
Quote:Nobody is piling bodies out in the street and burning them.
Quote:Those numbers are pure bullshit and are stolen from other causes of death.
Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 AM
Quote:The previous ensemble forecast, published November 5, projected up to 266,000 coronavirus deaths by November 28.
Quote:The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicts there will be 260,000 to 282,000 coronavirus deaths by December 5, according to a forecast published Thursday.
Quote: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/27/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html nearly another 60,000 people could lose their lives over the next three weeks, according to an ensemble forecast published by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention this week (November 27, 2020 through December 11, 2020.
Quote:Another widely-used Covid-19 model is predicting 438,941 deaths by March 1. That model is run by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington School of Medicine. But if states relax restrictions and mask mandates, deaths could hit a staggering 587,000 by March 1, the IHME said.
Quote:Nearly 332,000 Americans have died of Covid-19. Another 193,000 could lose their lives over the next two months, according to predictions from the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.
Monday, December 28, 2020 6:40 PM
Monday, December 28, 2020 7:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: L.A. County is out of ICU beds and dangerously low on oxygen Digital Journal|2 days ago
Monday, December 28, 2020 7:41 PM
Monday, December 28, 2020 7:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Central and Southern California have 0 percent I.C.U. capacity, in a state already low on hospital beds. New York Times|2 days ago L.A. County is out of ICU beds and dangerously low on oxygen Digital Journal|2 days ago I'm not sure what the capacity is today - perhaps people have croaked and opened up a few beds.
Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:49 PM
Tuesday, December 29, 2020 4:04 PM
Friday, January 1, 2021 6:37 PM
Friday, January 1, 2021 6:40 PM
Friday, January 1, 2021 6:46 PM
Saturday, January 2, 2021 5:20 PM
Quote: Britain Opts for Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Confounding Experts If a second dose of one vaccine isn’t available, another may be substituted, according to new guidelines in the country. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html
Quote: We do not recommend mixing Covid-19 vaccines,' Public Health England chief says Mixing Covid-19 vaccines is not recommended, Public Health England’s Head of Immunisations Dr. Mary Ramsay said Saturday, after government guidance was updated this week to say the interchangeability of Covid-19 vaccines was a "reasonable" option. “We do not recommend mixing the Covid-19 vaccines – if your first dose is the Pfizer vaccine you should not be given the AstraZeneca vaccine for your second dose and vice versa,” Ramsay said in a statement. https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-01-02-21/h_d1d793728fc3d8b1886c8ad2846f07d0
Saturday, January 2, 2021 5:24 PM
Saturday, January 2, 2021 5:28 PM
Saturday, January 2, 2021 11:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote: Britain Opts for Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Confounding Experts If a second dose of one vaccine isn’t available, another may be substituted, according to new guidelines in the country. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html
Saturday, January 2, 2021 11:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: As a reminder, it didn't need to be this way: Op-Ed: How I found a little slice of COVID-free utopia in Singapore https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-01-01/covid-travel-singapore-pandemic-quarantine-lockdown https://news.yahoo.com/op-ed-found-little-slice-110647640.html
Sunday, January 3, 2021 1:02 AM
Quote:I lived in complete isolation.
Quote:...and the government was doing everything it could to keep its residents safe.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 1:09 AM
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Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:22 AM
Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:24 PM
Quote: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/world/asia/india-covid-19-vaccine.html India Approves Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 Vaccine and 1 Other https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-02/india-grants-emergency-approval-to-astra-oxford-covid-19-vaccine https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-covaxin-time-idUSKBN2970KI
Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: There was no evidence at all for WMDs, which is why I never bought that story. There's at least 20,427,782 pieces of evidence in the US alone for COVID-19 (as of today), which is why you should accept it as reality.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:04 PM
Quote:I seem to remember a time when our government was keeping us safe from WMDs.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:42 PM
Quote:It Is Long Past Time for the CDC and NCHS to Clean Up the COVID-19 Death Counts Stacey Lennox
Quote:Some of us have been questioning the COVID-19 death counts reported by the CDC through the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) for some time. Of course, CNN and the corporate media love the
Quote: likely elevated counts to push their narrative.
Quote:Lockdown Inc. loves them to justify their destruction of lives and livelihoods.
Quote:A report from the Freedom Foundation, a Washington State think tank, explains why. The foundation’s original analysis of deaths
Quote: in the state found the number
Quote: may have been inflated by as much as 13%: In May, a report released by the Freedom Foundation, an Olympia-based free-market think tank, revealed the DOH was attributing to COVID-19 every death in which the deceased previously tested positive for the virus. However, it’s clear that catching the disease and dying of it are two very different matters.
Quote: Washington’s data was riddled with cases — as much as 13 percent of the total — in which the death certificate made no reference to COVID-19 as a cause of death. In several cases, even gunshot deaths were chalked up to the virus.
Quote:While the Department of Health did remove 200 deaths from the count, the Freedom Foundation did another analysis. Combining data sources from the Department of Health for nearly 2,000 deaths as of early September,
Quote: the new analysis found that 170 death certificates did not mention COVID-19. Another 171 deaths had no causal connection to the virus. According to the Post Millennial, the group estimates Washington’s death counts could be inflated by as much as 20%.
Quote:New data from the CDC regarding the conditions contributing to deaths where COVID-19 is also involved clearly demonstrates deaths from the virus are overestimated nationwide.
Quote: This is not surprising given the loose guidelines for attributing a death to COVID-19 and the financial incentives through public and private insurance to put COVID-19 on a patient’s chart.
Quote: First, as I have written several times,
Quote: many COVID-19-positive people who were terminally ill died a few months before they otherwise would have. These “pull-forward deaths” often happen with influenza and pneumonia when a person is elderly or severely compromised.
Quote:For example, the data shows 3,622 people over the age of 75 died of hypertensive renal disease with kidney failure. Kidney failure is a progressive and terminal condition, even with kidney dialysis.
Quote: An additional 939 in the same age group died with lung cancer as well as COVID-19. Second,
Quote: the report
Quote:demonstrates most younger patients were also suffering from a different severe illness if they died from COVID-19.
Quote: On the same line for kidney failure, a total of 18 people under the age of 35 passed away with this condition and COVID-19.
Quote:Ten people under the age of 35 died with acute lymphoblastic lymphoma (ALL) in addition to the virus.
Quote: The average five-year survival rate in this age group is between 68.1% and 85%, leaving the distinct possibility that these were the sickest ALL patients.
Quote: These are just a few examples of terminal conditions that could have been examples of a pull-forward death.
Quote: Since there is nothing in the NCHS guidance to require symptoms or evidence of active COVID-19, it is impossible to tell whether or not these were pull-forward deaths.
Quote: As Washington demonstrates
Quote: some of this error will come from state-level practices.
Quote: New York, for example, backdated 3,700 “presumed COVID-19 deaths” early in the pandemic.
Quote: The above does not even include the broad class of ICD-9 Codes referred to as “Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning, and other adverse events.”
Quote:This report contains 9,343 deaths associated with everything from drug overdoses to traumatic accidents and suicide. These deaths alone equal 3% of the current number of total deaths.
Quote: It is long past time for the CDC and NCHS to require some evidence of a severe illness from COVID-19 rather than simply a positive test. There are significant numbers of lab values and imaging changes that, taken together, can reasonably be assumed to paint a clinical course that includes active illness from COVID-19.
Quote: The best test would be a viral culture. If the virus or viral debris in a patient’s system cannot replicate in a culture, it can’t be a cause of death.
Quote:A positive PCR test within 28 days, the current standard Washington is now using, is also unacceptable, especially with the number of asymptomatic cases. A virus that never makes you sick or only makes you mildly ill will not kill you or likely contribute to your death.
Quote:Rather, you are likely one of the 30-60% of people with reactive immunity from other coronavirus exposure.
Quote: Likewise, if someone already suffers from a terminal illness, unless the end-stage events include symptoms of severe COVID-19, it should not be counted among the causes of death. https://pjmedia.com/columnist/stacey-lennox https://pjmedia.com/columns/stacey-lennox/2020/12/23/it-is-long-past-time-for-the-cdc-and-nchs-to-clean-up-the-covid-19-death-counts-n1227508
Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:I seem to remember a time when our government was keeping us safe from WMDs. You CLEARLY equate WMDs with COVID-19 as government fabrications! But hey, live in denial for all I care!
Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:39 PM
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Monday, January 4, 2021 2:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: One of us isn't down with complete government control in exchange for keeping us safe. The other one of us is. Period. The first draft of anything is shit. :)
Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:46 AM
Quote:This Is Why The New Mutant COVID Strain That Is Ravaging South Africa Has Scientists Extremely Worried... Scientists are telling us that the new mutant strain in South Africa has a total of eight changes to the spike protein, and Dr. John Bell of Oxford University is calling them “pretty substantial changes”…
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