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6ix, the GOP could have V.P. Mike Pence protecting you from Democratic Socialism and identity politics, but they keep Trump in the White House, instead.

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From where the globalist elites sit, you look to them like we look to you. You are not Trump - I doubt you have his wealth. Trump is not a transnational elite.

While you argue about Trump and thwart his natioanlist goals, the even bigger elite make off with more of the wealth than you can possibly imagine.

But why am I arguing with a religious person? You have your religion, as warped as it is, and nothing is going to shake it from you.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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"I had one of the greatest election victories in history. Would you say that's true? They came from the valleys, they came from the rivers, they came from the cities, they came from all over, they voted in one of the greatest elections in the history of our country..."

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"I had one of the greatest election victories in history. Would you say that's true? They came from the valleys, they came from the rivers, they came from the cities, they came from all over, they voted in one of the greatest elections in the history of our country..."

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Fwiw: In the Electoral College tally, he was 46th of 58 elections. In the popular vote, he was one of the very few presidents ever to have a negative showing.

It's hard for me to tell if he's just a compulsive lying sack of sh*t, or really that delusional. Both?

"They came from the rivers..." Fish? Fish voted for him?

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Trump is a dictator trying to destroy this democracy so he can thrive.

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Trump is a dictator trying the destroy this democracy so he can thrive.

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Trump is against illegal immigration. He's also against the TPP and TTIP. Those are far more important than any financial crimes he may or may not have committed. I look at Presidents for their POLICIES, not their personalities or personal crimes.

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Hey. If you're right, enjoy President Pence. Maybe the church will be indistinguishable from the state 4 years from now. lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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But Trump was elected President, not Pence. There will be life after Trump, but if you kick over the Constitution in your haste to get rid of him and allow the deep state to drive him from office then where will you be then?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think it's just posturing for the 2022 elections.

He won't get his wall. It will be blamed squarely on the Democrats.

Then time will tell if Trump will be just like every other two term president that ever existed and just forget about the wall and the promises he made.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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But Trump was elected President, not Pence. There will be life after Trump, but if you kick over the Constitution in your haste to get rid of him and allow the deep state to drive him from office then where will you be then?

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Pence was Trump's choice. If Trump could not depend on Pence, then it is Trump's fault. He should have picked somebody who does share his dream. The only person kicking over the Constitution is Trump and he did it this week, overriding Congress with a veto. Not 2/3rds of Congress agreed that what Trump wants to do is unconstitutional, but all the Democrats agreed. Dozens of Republicans agreed with the Democrats about Trump's unconstitutional grab for power. This will end in the Courts, but in the meantime, Trump won't get his wall, mostly because what he does is unconstitutional.

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Since you failed tp refute - or even address - Signy's point about unconstitutional actions to remove a constitutionally elected president, the point still stands.

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I think it's just posturing for the 2022 elections.

He won't get his wall. It will be blamed squarely on the Democrats.

Then time will tell if Trump will be just like every other two term president that ever existed and just forget about the wall and the promises he made.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Trump is simply posturing? It that the same as lying? Yes, it is.

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Look at Obama ... his POLICIES increased wealth inequality and the deficit and eroded Consitutional liberties at the same rate as under GWB and Clinton. Trump is merely following in the path of the previous Presidents.

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Look at Obama ... his POLICIES increased wealth inequality and the deficit and eroded Consitutional liberties at the same rate as under GWB and Clinton. Trump is merely following in the path of the previous Presidents.

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I see you attended Trump University...Suma Cum Lied


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You mean RF? Yeah, it looks like it.

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I think the dummy is drinking again

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I think it's just posturing for the 2022 elections.

He won't get his wall. It will be blamed squarely on the Democrats.

Then time will tell if Trump will be just like every other two term president that ever existed and just forget about the wall and the promises he made.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I think it's just posturing for the 2022 elections.

He won't get his wall. It will be blamed squarely on the Democrats.

Then time will tell if Trump will be just like every other two term president that ever existed and just forget about the wall and the promises he made.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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What is just posturing?
How will it affect the 2022 Mid-terms?

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Really now?

I thought you breeders were the ones going on and on about Mueller for the last two years.

Way to flip the script, Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I think it's just posturing for the 2022 elections.

He won't get his wall. It will be blamed squarely on the Democrats.

Then time will tell if Trump will be just like every other two term president that ever existed and just forget about the wall and the promises he made.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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What is just posturing?
How will it affect the 2022 Mid-terms?

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What? You can't connect the dots there?

The wall won't be built before election. At least not any significant part of it.

What has been accomplished during the first few years of the first half of the Trump presidency, however, is proof that the Democratic party is against border security. Facing off against a president that has pushed for it like no other has done before, they had to stop lying about it and come clean.

This, among other things, will secure Trump's re-election in 2022, and will possibly result in a swing back into Republican's favor in the house.


But then we have to see if the wall actually gets built. I somehow doubt that it will.

That is why I say it's just posturing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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It's fun triggering you, kiki. Your frustration at always being proven wrong and laughed at must be unbearable.

Sucks to be you.

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It's fun triggering you, kiki. Your frustration at always being proven wrong and laughed at must be unbearable.

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All true SECOND, but its all whacking at Trumps supporters. In the end Trumps supporters will not balk as much when Mueller releases his report. A report republicans can not ignore. A report that leads to Trump and others going to jail.

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Facts sink in. But they don’t matter. Let that sink in.

In both experiments, the researchers found that corrections did what they were intended to do: nudge people toward the truth. Trump supporters were more resistant to the nudge, but they were nudged all the same.

But here’s the kicker: The corrections didn’t change their feelings about Trump (when participants in the corrections conditions were compared with controls).

“People were willing to say Trump was wrong, but it didn’t have much of an effect on what they felt about him,” Nyhan says.

So facts make an impression. They just don’t matter for our decision-making, which is a conclusion that’s abundant in psychology science.

www.vox.com/2017/7/10/15928438/fact-checks-political-psychology

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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“FBI investigators and others,” Bloomberg reported, “are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development in New York with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008.”

In a more rule-bound environment, Mueller’s interest in opening Trump’s books would probably be checkmate for the president. It is widely suspected that a peek under the hood of the Trump organization will reveal serious financial crimes. Assuming that informed speculation is correct, Mueller would uncover the wrongdoing and bring down a president, or Trump would fire Mueller and Congress would step in to edge Trump out.

This is assuming our system of checks and balances hasn’t broken down. Republicans have given every indication over the course of the past several months that no malfeasance, no matter how naked and severe, will impel them to rein in Trump or impeach him.

That leaves the crisis to be decided by the midterm election. That election is 16 months away. Between now and then, Trump’s DOJ and his sham election-integrity commission will seek to disenfranchise as many Democratic voters as possible, while the president himself beseeches further foreign interference aimed at Democratic candidates. Absent the necessary election sweep, everything Trump will have done for his own enrichment and protection will have been ratified, and a point of no return will have been crossed.

https://newrepublic.com/article/143984/were-brink-authoritarian-crisis

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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What are you waiting for then!?

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Trump’s recklessness is raising the stakes. The claims that Trump and his legal team are putting forward are already radical: that Trump can’t be charged with obstruction of justice because it’s in his power to terminate an investigation at any time. Although he came close, Nixon would not go that far. As president, Trump is different. Trump is preparing to drive the political system over the cliff.

Bob Bauer wrote on the blog Lawfare that Trump firing Robert Mueller would end the investigation and leave only impeachment as a remedy, with Trump counting on Republicans in the House and the Senate to support him no matter what. If the Democrats took back the House in the 2018 midterm elections, Trump could be impeached, but he would remain in power since Democrats won’t have the two-thirds votes necessary in the Senate to remove him. Emma Loop of BuzzFeed interviewed four Republican senators about whether firing Mueller would be a mistake. Only one, Marco Rubio of Florida, unequivocally said yes.

One of the main reasons for elevating Mueller as a public figure — to make him a household name — is so that firing him would become a more politically costly act. If Trump fires Mueller before the Democrats can make it a national issue, then the public will be playing catch-up with the story. The better known Mueller is, the more costly his firing would be to Trump.

If Republican Senators won't defend Mueller’s job, and Mueller is fired, they’ll be tainted as enablers in the next election.

https://newrepublic.com/article/143986/america-dont-let-donald-trump-f
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Being president and not giving a sh*t must be the most exciting thing for Trump since... ever. He is unburdened by party or consequence. It's as if he's playing chicken with all of us. "What? I shouldn't fire Mueller?? Watch me!"

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Trump thinks that the worst that could happen is he writes more books like Nixon did in retirement. And Trump will have an advantage that Nixon didn't -- Trump has money to hire ghostwriters to do the actual work of writing his books. Trump's books will be better than Nixon's, Trump's will be the best, ever! Believe me.
www.google.com/search?q=Nixon's+books

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Lindsey Graham announces bill, threatens Trump: ‘Beginning of the end’ of presidency if he fires Mueller

http://conservativefiringline.com/lindsey-graham-announces-bill-threat
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Congress has handcuffed Donald Trump on Russia.

Back in December, Obama announced a raft of new sanctions against Russia and the expulsion of dozens of Russian diplomats from the US as a penalty for its meddling in the 2016 election.

Today, Obama-era sanctions against Russia that are in place under executive orders — directives that only the president had authority to enact and rescind — are enshrined in the law. Trump can't rescind Obama's orders. It is not the same as Trump losing all Presidential power and being booted from the White House by Mike Pence, but it is a start.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/28/16055630/congress-trump-russ
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The next step in taking the White House away from Trump a little bit at a time is for Congress to forbid him from firing Robert Mueller.

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The man SIG argued would be the best choice for president is in deep shit with the justice department. The excitement in the air is palpable.

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Report: Mueller convenes grand jury in Russia investigation

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a grand jury in Washington, D.C., a clear sign that the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election is ramping up, the Wall Street Journal reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-robert-mueller-convenes-grand-jury-
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Mueller Plunges Across Trump's Red Line

Trump has threatened Mueller, trying to keep his investigation confined to the election. He suggested in an interview with The New York Timesthat he might fire Mueller if the probe spread too wide.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-plunges-across-trumps-r
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- Congress moving on 2 bi-partisan fronts to pass legislation to protect Mueller's investigation.
- Mueller opens grand jury in DC

If he fires Mueller he's toast. If he doesn't fire Mueller he's toast. By firing Comey and saying on tv that he did it to stop the investigation into his ties with Russia, he's toast. He's likely been laundering money for Russian Mob/Oligarchs. Jr. attempted collusion - we still don't know what was exchanged at that meeting. Them saying "it was nothing," yeah, like we're going to believe that.

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It's a mess G. He held a rally in Virginia to show he has enough support to make the lives of the Republicans difficult, to say the least. If he is guilty, he has to fire Mueller. Rallying his base first would be smart.

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The Art of the Deal ghostwriter Tony Schwartz says Donald Trump’s presidency ‘is effectively over’
August 18, 2017

Tony Schwartz, the co-author on Donald Trump’s infamous 1987 book The Art of the Deal, has said he believes Trump will soon resign from his position as POTUS.

The ghostwriter, who spent 18 months working on the book with the business tycoon in the 1980s, has been one of Trump’s most vocal critics since he started running in the presidential race. While he was with Trump writing his book, he said the business mogul was thinking about “how do I do whatever is best for me and how do I get over everybody else,” he told CNN today.

On Thursday, Schwartz tweeted: “Almost all of Trump’s limited attention is focused on beating down his critics. No time for governing which doesn’t interest him anyway.”

“The circle is closing at blinding speed. Trump is going to resign and declare victory before Mueller and congress leave him no choice.”

“He’ll say he did everything he could to save America. He’s going to try and paint this as his own victory and he’s the ultimate victor.”

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/the-art-of-the-deal-writer-says-tr
umps-presidency-is-effectively-over/news-story/280900454fc15a7069b398894948015c

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Yeah, the story is that Trump asked McConnell why he didn't intervene in the Russia investigation. Apparently he wanted McConnell to dismantle the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees regarding the Russia probe.

They're laying the blame at Trump's doorstep, and Mueller may call McConnell, and others, to testify as to the particulars of the phone call by Trump to McConnell. Apparently it was a profanity laden temper tantrum by Trump pressuring McConnell.

Oh, and this little leak was produced by McConnell's staff. McConnell is a shrewd operator, he will not publicly shame Trump, but will submit a threat to his political career. Obstruction of justice in regards to the Senate Majority leader, both houses are protected under the law. If it's true and Mueller investigates - all the rallies in the world won't help Trump.


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looks like there iz alot more to it:

I'm feeling better about my 50 buks now.

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