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I don't say that there isn't any evidence.

I just say that everything presented to the public is circumstantial and we've been listening to the media speculate on that for a year now. It would be easier to take them seriously if they didn't try to link every wrong thing in the entire world to Trump's presidency every single day.

Take a look back. Name one day that the MSM didn't have something bad to say about Trump. I'm certain you can't.



I dunno. At least I don't see Kiki and Sigs telling everybody to hate you. Your ideologies have become so pronounced you're starting to sound like an Old Testament Baptist minister when you speak.

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I don't say that there isn't any evidence.

I just say that everything presented to the public is circumstantial and we've been listening to the media speculate on that for a year now. It would be easier to take them seriously if they didn't try to link every wrong thing in the entire world to Trump's presidency every single day.

Take a look back. Name one day that the MSM didn't have something bad to say about Trump. I'm certain you can't.



I dunno. At least I don't see Kiki and Sigs telling everybody to hate you. Your ideologies have become so pronounced you're starting to sound like an Old Testament Baptist minister when you speak.

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I'm guessing it will happen right about the time that Obama pays reparations to the men he took sexual liberties with

That's precious, how about we start with the kind of shit you post. Look in the mirror Jack, ideology starts with you. Where my concerns lay is with Trump the disaster to this country and Russia. Big difference. Your post is based on hate. What I post is based on the best facts available at the moment.

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You literally told everybody on the board that they should hate me, Sigs and Kiki.

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Okay, let's take a look back, shall we...........

Trump said that once he was done with the campaign, that he would sue the women who accused him of sexual harassment/misconduct. Let me see, nope.....nothing. Not even a mention by him on tweeter that he's following up with the lawsuit. That's just one thing.

You know, it's funny, most of what is reported by the press/media is mainly self-inflicted "gun shots" to his clumsy-ass feet. They report on the shit he does to "endear" himself to the people. His staunch supporters are about the only ones complaining about the media's efforts to expose the fraud that he is. Yes, they do report on him quite a lot, but it stands to reason why. He's a FUCK UP!

About the only positive thing he's done is for the very, very wealthy. Oh and he's picked for lifetime appointments Federal judges that will, let's see now, benefit the rich. Hmmmm, I guess he is doing well after all. Hey, the rich folk got what they wanted and guess who's paying for all this shit. So you want less of Trump in the media? Well, then let's see what "we" can do about that. Here's another funny thing: all of the mainstream media, including Fox and Rush Limpdick - are owned by.....guess who? The rich!

Now, complain all you want, but this is not going away anytime soon. As long as The Orange Pimpmaster continues his assault on the country. This is not going to end.

Oh! BTW, this prick sells and so that's another reason why the coverage is going to continue. Sorry buddy, but reality just took a big fucking bite and it's chewing up the scenery.

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I'm open to the idea that Trump is a scumbag and a traitor. It's quite possible and if it is he should be punished to the full extent of US law.

But without any real evidence I just find it hard to believe at this point. I'm not going to believe the MSM when they accuse him everyday of being one just because he has character flaws that you and a lot of other people hate.

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I'm open to the idea that Trump is a scumbag and a traitor. It's quite possible and if it is he should be punished to the full extent of US law.

But without any real evidence I just find it hard to believe at this point. I'm not going to believe the MSM when they accuse him everyday of being one just because he has character flaws that you and a lot of other people hate.

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None of the following is illegal, none of it was fake news, but the middle class ought to punish Trump for what he is doing: Trump pretended he wouldn’t cut taxes for the rich.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/20/16674640/gop-tax-plan-lies

At his confirmation hearing, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin made an unambiguous promise that there would be “no absolute tax cut for the upper class” in the Trump administration’s vision of tax reform.

Trump promised on September 13 that rich people wouldn’t benefit “at all” from his tax plan. On July 26, he went further and suggested he wanted to raise taxes on the rich. Back in May of 2016 as a candidate, he went on Meet the Press and backed tax increases on the rich. “For the wealthy, I think, frankly, it’s going to go up,” he said. “And you know what? It really should go up.”

One way Trump frequently likes to make this point is to cast himself as a selfless champion of the people, willing to raise his own taxes for the sake of the country. Trump went so far as to phone up a group of Senate Democrats to tell them, “My accountant called me and said, 'You're going to get killed in this bill.’”

This is all a bunch of lies. As Mark Murray writes for NBC News, “Trump and his heirs potentially could save more than $1 billion overall under the GOP tax proposal.”

Rather than own up to the reversal and defend it on the merits, Trump’s team is now engaging in bizarre deflections.

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I wonder if they feel like they're getting their money's worth? Or maybe they figured this was going to be a dry hole anyway, so why not put him somewhere out of the way where he can't do any real damage.

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Okay, let's take a look back, shall we...........

Trump said that once he was done with the campaign, that he would sue the women who accused him of sexual harassment/misconduct. Let me see, nope.....nothing. Not even a mention by him on tweeter that he's following up with the lawsuit. That's just one thing.

You know, it's funny, most of what is reported by the press/media is mainly self-inflicted "gun shots" to his clumsy-ass feet. They report on the shit he does to "endear" himself to the people. His staunch supporters are about the only ones complaining about the media's efforts to expose the fraud that he is. Yes, they do report on him quite a lot, but it stands to reason why. He's a FUCK UP!

About the only positive thing he's done is for the very, very wealthy. Oh and he's picked for lifetime appointments Federal judges that will, let's see now, benefit the rich. Hmmmm, I guess he is doing well after all. Hey, the rich folk got what they wanted and guess who's paying for all this shit. So you want less of Trump in the media? Well, then let's see what "we" can do about that. Here's another funny thing: all of the mainstream media, including Fox and Rush Limpdick - are owned by.....guess who? The rich!

Now, complain all you want, but this is not going away anytime soon. As long as The Orange Pimpmaster continues his assault on the country. This is not going to end.

Oh! BTW, this prick sells and so that's another reason why the coverage is going to continue. Sorry buddy, but reality just took a big fucking bite and it's chewing up the scenery.

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I'm not complaining about anything. The MSM can do whatever they want to do.

All I'm saying is that it's a shame that the MSM has been handling things they way they have the last year.

I'm open to the idea that Trump is a scumbag and a traitor. It's quite possible and if it is he should be punished to the full extent of US law.

But without any real evidence I just find it hard to believe at this point. I'm not going to believe the MSM when they accuse him everyday of being one just because he has character flaws that you and a lot of other people hate.

Feel free to keep up the mob mentality.


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You're goddamned right I'm pissed off about what Trump is doing now.

I'm even more pissed off that this has been happening all of my life in one flavor or another, and Simon and Garfunkle's legendary line "Any way you look at it you lose" wasn't some sort of prophecy, but was just stating the truth about how it was, is and likely forever will be.

Fuck the rich.

I hope you all choke on your delicacies that cost you more than I spent to live this year.

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Look Six, I get it. You are siding with the people you identify with, I have no problem with that. You can do whatever you believe in. I'm doing the same. I don't hate Trump because of skin color (wait, I gotta laugh at that last statement, he's so fucking orange), or even because he's rich, not even his "fake" hair. It's because, above all, HE'S A REAL HONEST-TO-GOODNESS SCUMBAG! He'll step on your neck and take your last penny, while you're lying in the gutter unconscious.

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The only difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama would, and did, charm you and everyone else out of your money and future with a lot of pleasant college words and that smile.

The difference between you and I is that I largely kept my mouth shut about how bad of a president I thought Obama was during his administration. For nearly 3 years here I rallied against GWB and when the Dems got their turn we just got fucked more.

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kiki likes jumping ahead to end of the investigation with her prediction of not guilty due to lack of evidence. She refuses to acknowledge the multitude of facts presented to date so she can do that.



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Look Six, I get it. You are siding with the people you identify with, I have no problem with that. You can do whatever you believe in. I'm doing the same. I don't hate Trump because of skin color (wait, I gotta laugh at that last statement, he's so fucking orange), or even because he's rich, not even his "fake" hair. It's because, above all, HE'S A REAL HONEST-TO-GOODNESS SCUMBAG! He'll step on your neck and take your last penny, while you're lying in the gutter unconscious.

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The only difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama would, and did, charm you and everyone else out of your money and future with a lot of pleasant college words and that smile.

The difference between you and I is that I largely kept my mouth shut about how bad of a president I thought Obama was during his administration. For nearly 3 years here I rallied against GWB and when the Dems got their turn we just got fucked more.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Jack, that fact that you cannot distinguish between Trumps character and Obama's says it all. One is guilty of displaying a complete lack of morals while the other displays a strong adherence to them. That's just one observance Jack, there is so much more. Yet, if after all the discussions about Trumps character you have been evolved in here, you still don't get that, then any further discussion on the multitude of reasons Trump is a disaster would be lost on you.



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Jack, that fact that you cannot distinguish between Trumps character and Obama's says it all. One is guilty of displaying a complete lack of morals while the other displays a strong adherence to them. That's just one observance Jack, there is so much more. Yet, if after all the discussions about Trumps character you have been evolved in here, you still don't get that, then any further discussion on the multitude of reasons Trump is a disaster would be lost on you.

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Look Six, I get it. You are siding with the people you identify with, I have no problem with that. You can do whatever you believe in. I'm doing the same. I don't hate Trump because of skin color (wait, I gotta laugh at that last statement, he's so fucking orange), or even because he's rich, not even his "fake" hair. It's because, above all, HE'S A REAL HONEST-TO-GOODNESS SCUMBAG! He'll step on your neck and take your last penny, while you're lying in the gutter unconscious.

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The only difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama would, and did, charm you and everyone else out of your money and future with a lot of pleasant college words and that smile.

The difference between you and I is that I largely kept my mouth shut about how bad of a president I thought Obama was during his administration. For nearly 3 years here I rallied against GWB and when the Dems got their turn we just got fucked more.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Really!? So you think Trump is an improvement? My, my.

Keeping your mouth shut during Obama's Administration was your choice. The difference being that I have chosen to speak my mind about Bush, and now the Dumpster. I voted, so I have the right to speak in whatever way I wish. What you do is your choice. PERIOD.

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The only difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama would, and did, charm you and everyone else out of your money and future with a lot of pleasant college words and that smile.

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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Charm! Ha, that's a real fucking deep and hearty laugh. How's that Wall coming; and the Muslim ban; suing the women who accused him of "grabbing their pussy;" Health care? The ACA been repealed yet? Don't we have a majority of Repubs in both Houses? Hmm; Infrastructure rebuild; creating so many jobs that "we" would be tired of winning (Charlie Sheen should consider suing him for using his term); Oh and he has North Korea under control like no other president; there are so many charming things that he has said and promised.....and now the Tax proclamation, Whoa! we are really going to win with that little slice of heaven....future? money? Did I mention the Wall?.....

...so, where are we as a country? Are we winning yet? 'Cause I can't tell...besides my hearing isn't what it used to be, I really can't hear those "dog whistles" - is there a special type of hearing aid? Charm, HA!, charm enough!

Now, I gotta say that Obama, yeah, he was a charmer alright. He has charm coming out the ying-yang.....charmed me outta my money, did he? I don't know, I am a little tight in the retirement area, but that's my own stupidity. It could change at any moment mind you, but right now I'm a little worried. This new Tax Bill has me a little nervous. What am I thinking? It won't pass, we're talking about Trump. All he knows is bankruptcy, fucking large companies in the ass, and grabbing pussy. Phew! I feel better already.

Listen, Obama was not perfect....even I know that. No one is. Wait, didn't Trump say that only he can fix it? That he was going to make America great again! Charm?
Yeah, he's got it! The jobs are just rolling out across the country. People are back to work in a serious way. The country is certainly winning BIG TIME! I see the headlines now; why even Fox News has been overwhelmed by the GOOD NEWS! Damn! That guy sure knows how to president!

Well, just think...now you can say it with GUSTO! Obama was a terrible and charming president, so much so that the country was in such bad shape that the Republicans got their champion in one Donald J. Trump, to ascend to the most powerful seat in the world. He is the epitome of WINNING! Go ahead knock yourself out. I admit, I was foolish in ever trusting Obama and falling for his "charming smile" and losing all my money.

Yeah, if it weren't for Trump, I would be seriously fucked. Thank TPTB for putting sanity back into the White House. Yay Trump! That Ivanka is not bad either.


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Look Six, I get it. You are siding with the people you identify with, I have no problem with that. You can do whatever you believe in. I'm doing the same. I don't hate Trump because of skin color (wait, I gotta laugh at that last statement, he's so fucking orange), or even because he's rich, not even his "fake" hair. It's because, above all, HE'S A REAL HONEST-TO-GOODNESS SCUMBAG! He'll step on your neck and take your last penny, while you're lying in the gutter unconscious.

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The only difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama would, and did, charm you and everyone else out of your money and future with a lot of pleasant college words and that smile.

The difference between you and I is that I largely kept my mouth shut about how bad of a president I thought Obama was during his administration. For nearly 3 years here I rallied against GWB and when the Dems got their turn we just got fucked more.

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Really!? So you think Trump is an improvement? My, my.

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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Charm! Ha, that's a real fucking deep and hearty laugh. How's that Wall coming; and the Muslim ban; suing the women who accused him of "grabbing their pussy;" Health care? The ACA been repealed yet? Don't we have a majority of Repubs in both Houses? Hmm; Infrastructure rebuild; creating so many jobs that "we" would be tired of winning (Charlie Sheen should consider suing him for using his term); Oh and he has North Korea under control like no other president; there are so many charming things that he has said and promised.....and now the Tax proclamation, Whoa! we are really going to win with that little slice of heaven....future? money? Did I mention the Wall?.....

...so, where are we as a country? Are we winning yet? 'Cause I can't tell...besides my hearing isn't what it used to be, I really can't hear those "dog whistles" - is there a special type of hearing aid? Charm, HA!, charm enough!

Now, I gotta say that Obama, yeah, he was a charmer alright. He has charm coming out the ying-yang.....charmed me outta my money, did he? I don't know, I am a little tight in the retirement area, but that's my own stupidity. It could change at any moment mind you, but right now I'm a little worried. This new Tax Bill has me a little nervous. What am I thinking? It won't pass, we're talking about Trump. All he knows is bankruptcy, fucking large companies in the ass, and grabbing pussy. Phew! I feel better already.

Listen, Obama was not perfect....even I know that. No one is. Wait, didn't Trump say that only he can fix it? That he was going to make America great again! Charm?
Yeah, he's got it! The jobs are just rolling out across the country. People are back to work in a serious way. The country is certainly winning BIG TIME! I see the headlines now; why even Fox News has been overwhelmed by the GOOD NEWS! Damn! That guy sure knows how to president!

Well, just think...now you can say it with GUSTO! Obama was a terrible and charming president, so much so that the country was in such bad shape that the Republicans got their champion in one Donald J. Trump, to ascend to the most powerful seat in the world. He is the epitome of WINNING! Go ahead knock yourself out. I admit, I was foolish in ever trusting Obama and falling for his "charming smile" and losing all my money.

Yeah, if it weren't for Trump, I would be seriously fucked. Thank TPTB for putting sanity back into the White House. Yay Trump! That Ivanka is not bad either.


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Look Six, I get it. You are siding with the people you identify with, I have no problem with that. You can do whatever you believe in. I'm doing the same. I don't hate Trump because of skin color (wait, I gotta laugh at that last statement, he's so fucking orange), or even because he's rich, not even his "fake" hair. It's because, above all, HE'S A REAL HONEST-TO-GOODNESS SCUMBAG! He'll step on your neck and take your last penny, while you're lying in the gutter unconscious.

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The only difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama would, and did, charm you and everyone else out of your money and future with a lot of pleasant college words and that smile.

The difference between you and I is that I largely kept my mouth shut about how bad of a president I thought Obama was during his administration. For nearly 3 years here I rallied against GWB and when the Dems got their turn we just got fucked more.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quantitative Easing.

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Okay, we went from Obama = Bad; Trump = Good to Quantitative easing.....!?

Alright, I'll bite: My guess is that you're saying, based on your other posts, that it doesn't matter who is in the White House, they are generally all bad for us the common worker, guy, gal.......Joe Schmoe. If that's it, okay. I have some questions:

1- What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
2- You're right, what do we do now?
3- So, basically we're fucked no matter what we do, no matter who we vote for right?
4- Again, what do we do?...since you seem to have all the answers.

Now, I say this because, as Keeks likes to point out and rub in real good, I'm not too bright.


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How It Affects You

The Senate plan would help businesses more than individuals. Through 2027, business taxes would be lower overall. But individual taxes at every income level would increase by 2027. 
Among individuals, it would help higher income families the most. Everyone gets a tax cut in 2019. But in 2021, taxes will increase on those making $30,000 or less. By 2023, costs will rise on everyone who makes less than $40,000 a year. The tax cuts expire in 2025. As a result, all income levels will pay higher taxes in 2017. The tax increases are due to loss of deductions. That's according to the most recent analysis of the Senate plan by the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The Tax Policy Center found that taxpayers earning in the top 1 percent would receive a larger percent tax cut than those in lower income levels. By 2027, those in the lowest 20 percent would pay higher taxes.
The Tax Policy Center estimated the House bill would impose higher taxes on 31 percent of middle-class households in 2027. 
Both plans increase in the standard deduction will benefit 6 million taxpayers. That's 47.5 percent of all tax filers, according to Evercore ISI. But that's not enough to offset lost deductions for many income brackets.
Neither plan helps the lowest-income families. That's because more than 70 million Americans don't make enough to pay taxes. The plans also don't help the third of taxpayers who have incomes that fall below current standard deduction and personal exemptions, according to New York University law professor Lily Batchelder. 
Both plans increase the deficit by almost $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years. Budget-conscious Republicans have done an about-face. The party fought hard to pass sequestration. In 2011, some members even threatened to default on the debt rather than keep adding to it. Now they say that the tax cuts would boost the economy so much that the additional revenues would offset the tax cuts. They ignore the reasons why Reaganomics would not work today.
Furthermore, some tax breaks, like those for non-child dependents, end in five years. But House leaders admit that a future Congress will probably extend it, thus adding more to the national debt. If it isn't extended, then some middle-income taxpayers will see their taxes rise after 2023.
The Penn Wharton School of Business said the House plan would increase the $20 trillion debt by $2 trillion over its first 10 years. That includes $500 billion in additional interest on the debt. The Wharton study said the House plan would boost growth by 0.4 percent and 0.9 percent in its first 10 years. But it might not improve growth at all in the subsequent 10 years.
Increase in sovereign debt dampens economic growth in the long run. When a country's debt-to-GDP-ratio is more than 100 percent, investors get concerned. They demand higher yields on the nation's bonds, increasing interest rates. Those higher rates slow growth. 
The administration believes in supply-side economics. It says companies will use tax cuts to create jobs. It worked during the Reagan administration because the highest tax rate was 70 percent. According to the Laffer Curve, that's in the prohibitive range. The range occurs at tax levels so high that cuts boost growth enough to offset revenue loss. But trickle-down economics no longer works because the 2017 tax rates are half what they were in the 1980s. 
The most significant tax cuts should go to the middle class who are more likely to spend every dollar they get. The wealthy use tax cuts to save or invest. It helps the stock market but doesn't drive demand. Once demand is there, then businesses create jobs to meet it. Middle-class tax cuts create more jobs. But the best unemployment solution is government spending to build infrastructure and directly create jobs.

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Here's my short answer, Trump's disastrous Tax Plan:

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-s-tax-plan-how-it-affects-you-4113968

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How It Affects You

The Senate plan would help businesses more than individuals. Through 2027, business taxes would be lower overall. But individual taxes at every income level would increase by 2027. 
Among individuals, it would help higher income families the most. Everyone gets a tax cut in 2019. But in 2021, taxes will increase on those making $30,000 or less. By 2023, costs will rise on everyone who makes less than $40,000 a year. The tax cuts expire in 2025. As a result, all income levels will pay higher taxes in 2017. The tax increases are due to loss of deductions. That's according to the most recent analysis of the Senate plan by the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The Tax Policy Center found that taxpayers earning in the top 1 percent would receive a larger percent tax cut than those in lower income levels. By 2027, those in the lowest 20 percent would pay higher taxes.
The Tax Policy Center estimated the House bill would impose higher taxes on 31 percent of middle-class households in 2027. 
Both plans increase in the standard deduction will benefit 6 million taxpayers. That's 47.5 percent of all tax filers, according to Evercore ISI. But that's not enough to offset lost deductions for many income brackets.
Neither plan helps the lowest-income families. That's because more than 70 million Americans don't make enough to pay taxes. The plans also don't help the third of taxpayers who have incomes that fall below current standard deduction and personal exemptions, according to New York University law professor Lily Batchelder. 
Both plans increase the deficit by almost $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years. Budget-conscious Republicans have done an about-face. The party fought hard to pass sequestration. In 2011, some members even threatened to default on the debt rather than keep adding to it. Now they say that the tax cuts would boost the economy so much that the additional revenues would offset the tax cuts. They ignore the reasons why Reaganomics would not work today.
Furthermore, some tax breaks, like those for non-child dependents, end in five years. But House leaders admit that a future Congress will probably extend it, thus adding more to the national debt. If it isn't extended, then some middle-income taxpayers will see their taxes rise after 2023.
The Penn Wharton School of Business said the House plan would increase the $20 trillion debt by $2 trillion over its first 10 years. That includes $500 billion in additional interest on the debt. The Wharton study said the House plan would boost growth by 0.4 percent and 0.9 percent in its first 10 years. But it might not improve growth at all in the subsequent 10 years.
Increase in sovereign debt dampens economic growth in the long run. When a country's debt-to-GDP-ratio is more than 100 percent, investors get concerned. They demand higher yields on the nation's bonds, increasing interest rates. Those higher rates slow growth. 
The administration believes in supply-side economics. It says companies will use tax cuts to create jobs. It worked during the Reagan administration because the highest tax rate was 70 percent. According to the Laffer Curve, that's in the prohibitive range. The range occurs at tax levels so high that cuts boost growth enough to offset revenue loss. But trickle-down economics no longer works because the 2017 tax rates are half what they were in the 1980s. 
The most significant tax cuts should go to the middle class who are more likely to spend every dollar they get. The wealthy use tax cuts to save or invest. It helps the stock market but doesn't drive demand. Once demand is there, then businesses create jobs to meet it. Middle-class tax cuts create more jobs. But the best unemployment solution is government spending to build infrastructure and directly create jobs.

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Notice that it says that by 2021, the people with incomes at $30K/yr or less will have their taxes increase, while the top earners will get a tax cut. In other words, the rich will get richer. Now, that may not be the "quantitative easing" bullshit, but it's not GOOD NEWS!

So this is the plan Trump and company, and the Republicans have come up with. Plus, they keep talking shit about the deficit, guess what this will add over a trillion dollars to the deficit over 10 years. Joe Schmoe is getting a new asshole and Trump and the people in charge now are making sure that they will be wearing their "strap-ons" - cause we're getting fucked, BUT GOOD! Not only that, but they are looking to dismantle completely the ACA, which means that health insurance will skyrocket beyond anything you could charge to Obama now. It will be beyond unaffordable.
Again, the little guy gets the shaft.

So tell me again,,,,,how is it that Trump is better than Bush, Obama, Clinton?
I agree, "we" the little guy need to do something constructive. Stop these motherfuckers from "peeing on us and telling us it's only rain." Right now, we need to press Congress and Senate to listen to "us" and fuck all this bickering, as you stated, this is what "they" want. For us to be distracted and not focus on the real problem.

Fuck Russia, and fuck anyone who doesn't work for "us", the people. Get those greedy bastards out. Stop dark money and the ultra rich from affecting the outcome of elections - Finance reform now. There is a small movement that has started and true democrats and real patriots are replacing corrupt politicos across the nation in the state legislature. But now we need to replace these greedy fucks in Congress and the Senate that side with the wealthy donor class over what's right for the majority of the people.

That's what's needed. Period - FULL STOP!


SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here's my short answer, Trump's disastrous Tax Plan:

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-s-tax-plan-how-it-affects-you-4113968

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How It Affects You

The Senate plan would help businesses more than individuals. Through 2027, business taxes would be lower overall. But individual taxes at every income level would increase by 2027. 
Among individuals, it would help higher income families the most. Everyone gets a tax cut in 2019. But in 2021, taxes will increase on those making $30,000 or less. By 2023, costs will rise on everyone who makes less than $40,000 a year. The tax cuts expire in 2025. As a result, all income levels will pay higher taxes in 2017. The tax increases are due to loss of deductions. That's according to the most recent analysis of the Senate plan by the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The Tax Policy Center found that taxpayers earning in the top 1 percent would receive a larger percent tax cut than those in lower income levels. By 2027, those in the lowest 20 percent would pay higher taxes.
The Tax Policy Center estimated the House bill would impose higher taxes on 31 percent of middle-class households in 2027. 
Both plans increase in the standard deduction will benefit 6 million taxpayers. That's 47.5 percent of all tax filers, according to Evercore ISI. But that's not enough to offset lost deductions for many income brackets.
Neither plan helps the lowest-income families. That's because more than 70 million Americans don't make enough to pay taxes. The plans also don't help the third of taxpayers who have incomes that fall below current standard deduction and personal exemptions, according to New York University law professor Lily Batchelder. 
Both plans increase the deficit by almost $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years. Budget-conscious Republicans have done an about-face. The party fought hard to pass sequestration. In 2011, some members even threatened to default on the debt rather than keep adding to it. Now they say that the tax cuts would boost the economy so much that the additional revenues would offset the tax cuts. They ignore the reasons why Reaganomics would not work today.
Furthermore, some tax breaks, like those for non-child dependents, end in five years. But House leaders admit that a future Congress will probably extend it, thus adding more to the national debt. If it isn't extended, then some middle-income taxpayers will see their taxes rise after 2023.
The Penn Wharton School of Business said the House plan would increase the $20 trillion debt by $2 trillion over its first 10 years. That includes $500 billion in additional interest on the debt. The Wharton study said the House plan would boost growth by 0.4 percent and 0.9 percent in its first 10 years. But it might not improve growth at all in the subsequent 10 years.
Increase in sovereign debt dampens economic growth in the long run. When a country's debt-to-GDP-ratio is more than 100 percent, investors get concerned. They demand higher yields on the nation's bonds, increasing interest rates. Those higher rates slow growth. 
The administration believes in supply-side economics. It says companies will use tax cuts to create jobs. It worked during the Reagan administration because the highest tax rate was 70 percent. According to the Laffer Curve, that's in the prohibitive range. The range occurs at tax levels so high that cuts boost growth enough to offset revenue loss. But trickle-down economics no longer works because the 2017 tax rates are half what they were in the 1980s. 
The most significant tax cuts should go to the middle class who are more likely to spend every dollar they get. The wealthy use tax cuts to save or invest. It helps the stock market but doesn't drive demand. Once demand is there, then businesses create jobs to meet it. Middle-class tax cuts create more jobs. But the best unemployment solution is government spending to build infrastructure and directly create jobs.

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Notice that it says that by 2021, the people with incomes at $30K/yr or less will have their taxes increase, while the top earners will get a tax cut. In other words, the rich will get richer. Now, that may not be the "quantitative easing" bullshit, but it's not GOOD NEWS!

So this is the plan Trump and company, and the Republicans have come up with. Plus, they keep talking shit about the deficit, guess what this will add over a trillion dollars to the deficit over 10 years. Joe Schmoe is getting a new asshole and Trump and the people in charge now are making sure that they will be wearing their "strap-ons" - cause we're getting fucked, BUT GOOD! Not only that, but they are looking to dismantle completely the ACA, which means that health insurance will skyrocket beyond anything you could charge to Obama now. It will be beyond unaffordable.
Again, the little guy gets the shaft.

So tell me again,,,,,how is it that Trump is better than Bush, Obama, Clinton?
I agree, "we" the little guy need to do something constructive. Stop these motherfuckers from "peeing on us and telling us it's only rain." Right now, we need to press Congress and Senate to listen to "us" and fuck all this bickering, as you stated, this is what "they" want. For us to be distracted and not focus on the real problem.

Fuck Russia, and fuck anyone who doesn't work for "us", the people. Get those greedy bastards out. Stop dark money and the ultra rich from affecting the outcome of elections - Finance reform now. There is a small movement that has started and true democrats and real patriots are replacing corrupt politicos across the nation in the state legislature. But now we need to replace these greedy fucks in Congress and the Senate that side with the wealthy donor class over what's right for the majority of the people.

That's what's needed. Period - FULL STOP!


SGG

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What a pile of Cow manure.

"Balanced" and pretend unbiased reporting by the author of Obama Apologist books. Right.

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Ah, I see....following the excuse-laden ideology of Trump supporters and goose-stepping prognosticators.

NEWSFLASH: Obama is no longer president, just another person. While I'm at it,
neither is Hillary. Got it! Sheesh! You guys can't help yourselves, can you?
Trump and the so-called Republicans are in charge now. Got it! Your ridiculously
orange dumb ass leader won the election and is now in the White House, remember?

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled program.....Tax Cuts!? Don't make me laugh.
You, me and everyone else will be paying higher taxes by 2021....meanwhile, rich folk will need extra heavy duty Brink's Trucks to haul the large amounts of cash to put into their bank accounts (this time IN the country, instead of overseas, because banking rules and regs will favor them as well).

Hey I have an idea, maybe you guys can get a job hauling their money. Sure, that makes sense now doesn't it? Of course that is if they don't hire illegal immigrants to do it. And just as sure, The Fucking Donald will blame Congress, and we begin the whole cycle all over again.

Oh this is gonna be REAL GOOD!


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ah, I see....following the excuse-laden ideology of Trump supporters and goose-stepping prognosticators.

NEWSFLASH: Obama is no longer president, just another person. While I'm at it,
neither is Hillary. Got it! Sheesh! You guys can't help yourselves, can you?
Trump and the so-called Republicans are in charge now. Got it! Your ridiculously
orange dumb ass leader won the election and is now in the White House, remember?

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled program.....Tax Cuts!? Don't make me laugh.
You, me and everyone else will be paying higher taxes by 2021....meanwhile, rich folk will need extra heavy duty Brink's Trucks to haul the large amounts of cash to put into their bank accounts (this time IN the country, instead of overseas, because banking rules and regs will favor them as well).

Hey I have an idea, maybe you guys can get a job hauling their money. Sure, that makes sense now doesn't it? Of course that is if they don't hire illegal immigrants to do it. And just as sure, The Fucking Donald will blame Congress, and we begin the whole cycle all over again.

Oh this is gonna be REAL GOOD!


SGG

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I think what you don't understand here SGG is that I think back to the past as well as into the future, and also contemplate what could have been (for better or for worse).

The big problem is that most people only think in the here and now. It's why they don't learn from their mistakes, and they fail miserably at preparing for the future time and time again until they die.

I'm not virtue signaling when I talk about how bad of a president I believed GWB to be. I absolutely hated his administration at the time. Obama made things worse in all 3 categories I lambasted the GWB admin for on these threads for years, and I just kind of said "fuck it" and went my own way. (I have a very long and very anti-GWB history on these boards, but you'll see that until Obama was on his way out I hardly said a single thing about him).

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You think back, what good is that? You lived in a drunken stupor so your thinking in your past was all fucked up. All your years of perverted posting here bares witness to that. You think back? Who sourced the information that helped form the foundation of your beliefs? Certainly not school, where other educated people helped guide your thinking. And according to you, our media watch dogs are all fake news. "The press's watchdog role is to monitor the conduct of government officials and is vital to democracy." Including justice around the world Jack. Yet, as does Trump, you take every opportunity to call the media fake.

According to you, having an education is not worth the effort. According to you, all mainstream media is fake. Add to that there is no president in your time fame that was decent and worth respect. According to you ( who's only frame of reference is anger ) nothing Trump is doing is hurting America and Americans bad enough to warrant the ire you see here. Yet for one reason or another, all the other recent presidents do.

You are clueless. Take Trumps attack against our media for one. Attacks mirrored by you here. Global dictators are free to do as they please. Why, because Trump embraces them, and he labels the media as fake. Therefore any reporting on their digressions can be labeled fake as well. Why, because our president says so. It also heightens the danger to the media for reporting negatively about them. Why, because our president won't support them. Get it...

In addition, because of Trump, we have no eyes in those countries due to our state department being gutted. This leaves authoritarians to do as they please without consequence. No one to see it, no one to report on it.

The things this man if fucking up are limitless. You say you think. I say you don't.




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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ah, I see....following the excuse-laden ideology of Trump supporters and goose-stepping prognosticators.

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled program.....Tax Cuts!? Don't make me laugh.
You, me and everyone else will be paying higher taxes by 2021....meanwhile, rich folk will need extra heavy duty Brink's Trucks to haul the large amounts of cash to put into their bank accounts (this time IN the country, instead of overseas, because banking rules and regs will favor them as well).

Hey I have an idea, maybe you guys can get a job hauling their money. Sure, that makes sense now doesn't it?

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
[lots of other bs posted before the last line]

You say you think. I say you don't.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
[lots of other bs posted before the last line]

You say you think. I say you don't.

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I look at numbers, and when you peel away either partisan skewing of them, they don't lie.

I can't even have a reasonable conversation with somebody who doesn't understand things like inflation, and says with a straight face that the Obama Administration was good for the economy or the working class.

I've been sober for going on a year now, idiot.

Don't even think for a second that you can step to my level now that I've got my mojo back and I'm clear headed. You're nothing but a lemming with low intelligence that is easy to lead around. Screaming your "five minutes hate" everyday because Rachel Maddow told you to. You are a follower. You are pathetic.

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Really, then why is it you don't understand that Trump is riding on the recovery coat tails of Obama. Just as Clinton's economic success rode in on the coat tails of what Bush started.

Why is it you don't understand, based on numbers, with a 4.1% unemployment rate and Goldman Sacks predicting 4% growth next year, that tax cuts will not stimulate jobs growth. The reason Republicans are pushing for them. That tax cuts at this time is not only not necessary, but not smart. Not tax cuts that favor the rich anyway.

Don't tell me you know what you're talking about. These proposed tax cuts are just a giveaway to the donor class.


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
It looks like the blame for Mueller's future failure is already being written.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-mueller-record-20171122-stor
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As he investigates Trump's aides, Robert Mueller's record shows surprising flaws

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Tick tock, tick tock


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The second hand goes round and round but the clock never advances. It looks a lot like spinning your wheels and going nowhere, fast.

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Stupid is as stupid does. Are you really watching the GIF watch?

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Really, then why is it you don't understand that Trump is riding on the recovery coat tails of Obama. Just as Clinton's economic success rode in on the coat tails of what Bush started.

Why is it you don't understand, based on numbers, with a 4.1% unemployment rate and Goldman Sacks predicting 4% growth next year, that tax cuts will not stimulate jobs growth. The reason Republicans are pushing for them. That tax cuts at this time is not only not necessary, but not smart. Not tax cuts that favor the rich anyway.

Don't tell me you know what you're talking about. These proposed tax cuts are just a giveaway to the donor class.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Really, then why is it you don't understand that Trump is riding on the recovery coat tails of Obama. Just as Clinton's economic success rode in on the coat tails of what Bush started.

Why is it you don't understand, based on numbers, with a 4.1% unemployment rate and Goldman Sacks predicting 4% growth next year, that tax cuts will not stimulate jobs growth. The reason Republicans are pushing for them. That tax cuts at this time is not only not necessary, but not smart. Not tax cuts that favor the rich anyway.

Don't tell me you know what you're talking about. These proposed tax cuts are just a giveaway to the donor class.


T

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Trump isn't riding anything. Quantitative easing damned your children and grandchildren, and Obama's addition to the deficit dwarfed GWB's insane additions. The employment rate never improved once under his administration when you include all the people who just stopped looking for work and all of the people who are working jobs today that make a fraction of what they used to.

I'm also not arguing that it's gotten any better since Trump is in office, and I've said as much several times. And I DO get pissed off whenever I hear anybody talking about it being good now too, whether they're talking about the economy or the job market. It's not.


As far as your question about Clinton and Bush, I'm going to assume you actually meant that GWB's administration prospered because of the Clinton administration (yeah, you messed that up too).

Though he had done better than our more recent presidents had, he opened up trade to China and his administration is the reason that we're so in debt to them now. A large part of his economic success was due to this fact. It was a means of temporary good times at the cost of a lot of the bad things we're dealing with today and compounding on with every administration since.


THIS is why it is important to think of the past. Quit using the bullshit cop out of "well we're here now". HOW DID WE GET HERE, DUMMY?



Show me the actual tax cuts so I can see what's in them. I don't want some bullshit biased story written by one of your MSM goons.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Nope, I mean Bush senior and Clinton. Bush raised taxes and still other factors began to stimulate the economy. Clinton benefited from that. That said, your gripe is due to your all or nothing attitude. Your dooms day persona.

There's so much wrong with Trump and what he's doing, only ignorance could blind a person to it.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LOL at "my doomsday persona."

Who's the nutter who sees Nazis in every dark corner and is convinced we're going to be taken over by Russia?

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I'll bite, who? Personally I never use the word nazis, and never refereed to anyone here as being one. Yes, I can't wait until Trump is gone, we get a patriot in office, and Russia gets it's due. As for them taking us over, well, that's just to funny.


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I'll bite, who? Personally I never use the word nazis, and never refereed to anyone here as being one. Yes, I can't wait until Trump is gone, we get a patriot in office, and Russia gets it's due. As for them taking us over, well, that's just to funny.

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