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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well that report is from 1972. I'm pretty sure they were still telling us that smoking cigarettes was good for your health back then.
It's the complete opposite of everything I've heard on the issue, but what do I know.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So earlier today out of curiosity I went to the CalFire website and totaled up the acres burned in California to date (just looking at fires over 2,000 acres). It was over 550,000 acres. That's a lot of acres.

When I left work, there was a new purple-brown cloud in the sky, this time coming from the east. As of 8 hours ago it was a 4,000 acre fire in OC and raging out of control. And during the day the Mendocino fire grew from 273,664 acres this AM to 283,000 acres by the evening.

My current rough estimate is now 564,000 acres burned, up from earlier in the day.

There are 16 major wildfires in California today.

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News reported that smoke from CA wildfires has reached NYC. Maybe I should look at the sky sometime, too.

I can't imagine this is a new thing. 300 or 400 years ago there must have been unrestrained fires in CA, and Pilgrims were sure to have seen the smoke. Just wouldn't have known it was from 3,000 miles away.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
I don't remember the fires in California being this bad either when I was a child.

And I am sure the Native Americans saw wild fires too.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So Jack - I'm curious.

The idea that many small unsuppressed fires repeated over many decades contribute to the health of an ecosystem goes back over 40 years. I happen to have learned about it years ago under the slightly different guise of prairie fires, but it's the same concept. But the environment/ biology/ medicine is sort of my 'thing' that I've learned about formally and informally since I was a small child. I'd be more surprised if I didn't know about it.

What I'm wondering about is how such a well-known concept eluded you, a civilian of the topic. Should I attribute it to mis-education in the public school system? A big blank in schooling filled in by Smokey the Bear PR? Poor reporting in an ongoing way that just happened to miss the concept over all these years?

I'm really curious where your ideas came from, and where the mis-direction, or blank spots in your information came from.



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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The entire Southwest is drying. There are some people who think we're entering a megadrought. Speaking of megadroughts, that's what's thought to have done in the Anasazi civilization.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
I don't remember the fires in California being this bad either when I was a child.

And I am sure the Native Americans saw wild fires too.

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But the frustrating thing is that there are no recorded Histories of the Native Americans, are there? Do you know if there are any stories passed down about such occurrences? Also, Native Americans populated the whole of the continent, correct? Communication between Tribes/Nations could have revealed news of where the smoke originated. Early Pilgrims would not have been certain how far away the Pacific was.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I know you dislike it Brenda, but good for the rain! It's how you pay for that lovely green environment! Otherwise, your surroundings could look more like this:

https://www.gettyimages.fi/event/record-heat-fuels-holy-fire-in-southe
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
not to sidetrack your exchange, but I'm not clear on the sides of the story.
My Public School in WI was a follower of John Muir. Many reports are biased with the Government programs or against. Most against point out the Government oversight of Forestation was destructive. Which side are you on? And what do you call the different sides or philosophies?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did you grow up in CA? And I don't recall your age.
How much contribution to the problem do you feel the diversion of CA water to L.A. was? And also the direct flushing of CA freshwater reservoirs to the ocean?

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Originally posted by Brenda:

I know Kiki. I've seen a couple of fire ban signs around where I am. This will help and maybe they will go down. We shall see.

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I know Kiki. I've seen a couple of fire ban signs around where I am. This will help and maybe they will go down. We shall see.

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I have my fingers crossed - no fires for you this year!

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So Jack - I'm curious.

The idea that many small unsuppressed fires repeated over many decades contribute to the health of an ecosystem goes back over 40 years. I happen to have learned about it years ago under the slightly different guise of prairie fires, but it's the same concept. But the environment/ biology/ medicine is sort of my 'thing' that I've learned about formally and informally since I was a small child. I'd be more surprised if I didn't know about it.

What I'm wondering about is how such a well-known concept eluded you, a civilian of the topic. Should I attribute it to mis-education in the public school system? A big blank in schooling filled in by Smokey the Bear PR? Poor reporting in an ongoing way that just happened to miss the concept over all these years?

I'm really curious where your ideas came from, and where the mis-direction, or blank spots in your information came from.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
not to sidetrack your exchange, but I'm not clear on the sides of the story.
My Public School in WI was a follower of John Muir. Many reports are biased with the Government programs or against. Most against point out the Government oversight of Forestation was destructive. Which side are you on? And what do you call the different sides or philosophies?

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There's a narrative that says lots of forest litter keeps the soil moist and prevents wildfires. So any fires should be suppressed. There's the opposite narrative that says that many small fires over an extended period of time thins excess saplings and brush and keeps the forest floor clear of deadwood and litter, aka fuel. I'm of the side that seems to be most supported by data, which is that many small fires are more beneficial than lots of deadwood and litter, and trees - at least here in California. Those small fires burn low to the ground, passing through relatively quickly and coolly, which leaves the fire-resistant bark of mature trees unscathed. (Though the same dynamic applies to prairies, where native plants are fire tolerant with deep roots that escape destruction, and some seeds that need to be burned to sprout. Small frequent fires burn out non-native species, remove excess thatch, and recycle nutrients.)

Government fire suppression programs over the decades, while well-intentioned, allowed too much burnable 'stuff' to build up, and created forests with many more trees per acre than would naturally occur. Those conditions - along with the drought that has led to an invasion of the western bark-beetle that's killed many, many trees - have created conditions that foster massive, extremely hot fires that burn even mature trees to the ground, and can glassify the dirt.

One interesting fact about forest fires like that is that they can smolder underground in roots for months - not being fully extinguished until the winter rains come.

I don't know if there's a name for each of the philosophies.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did you grow up in CA? And I don't recall your age.
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No, I grew up in the northeast. At this point in time, roughly half my life was back there, and the more recent half here, in SoCal.

Really old! Probably old enough to be your grandmother!

I don't think that has much to do with it. By the time the water hits the rivers, it's already done its job in the forested environment. That said - warming weather means less snow in the snowpack, and melting a month and a half earlier than normal. The snowpack is like the worlds biggest reservoir - holding almost all the winter precipitation in storage, then gradually releasing it over many months. Since we can't do much about the loss of the snowpack, I've wondered if introducing beavers to hold up the water would help.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So Jack - I'm curious.

The idea that many small unsuppressed fires repeated over many decades contribute to the health of an ecosystem goes back over 40 years. I happen to have learned about it years ago under the slightly different guise of prairie fires, but it's the same concept. But the environment/ biology/ medicine is sort of my 'thing' that I've learned about formally and informally since I was a small child. I'd be more surprised if I didn't know about it.

What I'm wondering about is how such a well-known concept eluded you, a civilian of the topic. Should I attribute it to mis-education in the public school system? A big blank in schooling filled in by Smokey the Bear PR? Poor reporting in an ongoing way that just happened to miss the concept over all these years?

I'm really curious where your ideas came from, and where the mis-direction, or blank spots in your information came from.

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I'm not convinced at all that you're correct about this.

I also don't appreciate your condescending tone either.

At this juncture, I'm just going to attribute my thoughts on the issue as being derived from not being subjugated to Liberal brainwashing in the American College system.

I might be wrong about the issue, but at least I'm not being a smug cunt about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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So Jack - I'm curious.

The idea that many small unsuppressed fires repeated over many decades contribute to the health of an ecosystem goes back over 40 years. I happen to have learned about it years ago under the slightly different guise of prairie fires, but it's the same concept. But the environment/ biology/ medicine is sort of my 'thing' that I've learned about formally and informally since I was a small child. I'd be more surprised if I didn't know about it.

What I'm wondering about is how such a well-known concept eluded you, a civilian of the topic. Should I attribute it to mis-education in the public school system? A big blank in schooling filled in by Smokey the Bear PR? Poor reporting in an ongoing way that just happened to miss the concept over all these years?

I'm really curious where your ideas came from, and where the mis-direction, or blank spots in your information came from.

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I'm not convinced at all that you're correct about this.

I also don't appreciate your condescending tone either.

At this juncture, I'm just going to attribute my thoughts on the issue as being derived from not being subjugated to Liberal brainwashing in the American College system.

I might be wrong about the issue, but at least I'm not being a smug cunt about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Gee, bad day at work? Your wussy hurts now?

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Jack, I actually was trying to be NICE. It obviously went very astray. But you spent several posts exchanging zingers with Brenda at my expense (which I ignored but probably shouldn't have). How about you consider it payback for your own cunty behavior? Yanno - for being a cunt to me.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Might as well explain why they were at JSF's expense while I'm at it here since it will only be inevitable that he chimes in as well and I end up getting double teamed by two people who usually don't get along with each other very well.

The "zingers" toward JSF, at least on my side and I'm not speaking for Brenda, were initiated because I was replying to his obviously right wing ideologies and pre-programmed predispositions he holds on climate change and his absolute close-mindedness on the issue because of his staunch and unwavering partisanship to the GOP.

What we seem to have uncovered here is an equal and opposite ideological stance and close-mindedness on this issue on your end as well.

Curious, since I don't consider you to be an ideologue for the Lefties. The ones that frequent these boards seem not to believe that either. That's for sure.

It's likely more to do with you having to question that high priced education that you received, and what that might do to your "bubble" if you found out some things you have long held as absolutes were absolutely-nots.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Why on Earth would reasonable folk conjure that 6ix is acting the Libtard? Is it because of his self-confessed Liberal bias on Science, or Ecology, or Climate Change, or Archaeology, or Global Warming, or Astrothermaldynamics, or Fake Math?
Or, OTOH, is it because of his paranoid delusions about reasonable and logical discussions secretly being code-phrases for "obvious" tangential condemnations about algore's invention of Global Warming, and "clear" chastising of Climate Change, even when nobody else can see the same delusion that you see So Clearly.

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I'm with you there, Jack!

Anyway, I'm going to start making some ham and bean soup with some pork hocks I got today. It'll probably be a while -days - before I get back. In the meantime, take care. ttul

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I am so angry right now I could chew nails.

Run in with my idiot landlady again. I was just informed that I have to either put my recyclables in the blue bin one at a time or bag them and walk down the hill to the recycling depot.

I could just SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B7tch is also doing her laundry which means that I can't use my toilet until she is finished because I loose water pressure in my toilet when they do. She obviously waited until I got in DELIBERATELY to do this.

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I am so angry right now I could chew nails.

Run in with my idiot landlady again. I was just informed that I have to either put my recyclables in the blue bin one at a time or bag them and walk down the hill to the recycling depot.

I could just SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B7tch is also doing her laundry which means that I can't use my toilet until she is finished because I loose water pressure in my toilet when they do. She obviously waited until I got in DELIBERATELY to do this.

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I really can't wait to hear the day that you're able to get out of there Brenda. Hang in there. :)




My replies may be somewhat sporadic for the foreseeable future.

I started having what appears to be a serious computer problem when it overheated last week. It's happened before and just shut down with no ill effects, but this time it seems there might be something serious going on. It randomly freezes and needs a hard reset.

At this point I've eliminated the possibility that it's one of my memory sticks, my GPU or my sound card. Also did a fresh Win10 OS install and that's not the culprit either.

I'm looking at the possibility that it's new Win10 drivers causing it and it's just a coincidence, or something more nefarious like a Mobo or CPU problem. If either of those are the case then I'm kinda screwed since this is a 5 year old build and I'd have to buy all new memory since DDR3 isn't used anymore these days... and because of a recent "memory shortage", they're not cheap these days.


Going to tinker with it the next few weeks before I make a decision about what I'm going to do. Wish me luck. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SIX, make sure that your fans are working, the mesh screens are clean, and use compressed air to blow the dust out of the heat sinks. Heat is the #1 PC/laptop/tablet killer, and dust is the #1 cause of heat buildup.

Also don't know if you have a desktop or laptop, but in hot weather a laptop really needs to breathe, so putting it on a soft surface can smother the air inlets. If all else fails, get a small portable fan and blow it on your computer (once its been cleaned).

Best of luck!


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ARGHH! Oh BRENDA, I feel for you! But I hear that the Vancouver housing market is finally deflating. Maybe prices will come down and vacancies at better rents will open up. Fingers crossed!


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Well, it seems that I messed up the screen or page that I watch the majority of YouTube videos on after I click on one of them. I don't know what I did but I guess I must have done it last night and just never noticed it until today.

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Well, it seems that I messed up the screen or page that I watch the majority of YouTube videos on after I click on one of them. I don't know what I did but I guess I must have done it last night and just never noticed it until today.

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Could you explain what you mean a little more? Maybe I could help you.





Good news and bad news on the PC front.

The bad news first.... Installing Windows 7 didn't help since it still freezes and crashes randomly. Drat. I'm assuming that Linux won't help that issue either since I never had any problems on this PC with Win7 before, but I'm going to figure out how to make a bootable flash drive and see if that helps at all.



Cooling was the MAJOR issue here. I'm actually surprised this thing didn't crash all the time given how hot the room it is in gets during the summer. I downloaded a hardware monitor program that will tell me all sorts of cool stuff about the various temps of different parts of the PC. It seems that I was regularly running super hot at well above 60 degrees Celsius for the CPU, which I just read was way above what you want it to be at. Everything inside my computer is SUPER dirty and really needs to be cleaned. I'm sure the heatsink itself is all but useless at this point.

Right now, I've got the case open and a house fan blowing right into it. I've down-clocked everything in the BIOS to run way below normal specs. This makes it load the system far slower than it used to, but once everything is loaded up it seems to be fine for a lot longer. Youtube videos run without crashing, but the PC still fails enough to not be usable right now. It's only running at around 45 degrees right now, but it will still fail. Instead of locking up like it did in Win10 though, it will just reboot for the most part.

Chances are there was some irreversible damage done to one of the mobo parts or the CPU itself. I'm not going to say the GPU isn't fried too, but putting an old one in didn't fix the issue, so it's not likely.

I'm going to take everything out and get the "gunk" out of the system and try Linux and see if this thing can be saved for at least another half year or so. I'm thinking once it cools off outside it will probably be okay until at least late spring. By then I should have enough saved up to buy a really nice rig without feeling guilty about spending the cash. It'll be nice to have my first SSD and see the OS boot up almost immediately. :)



EDIT: Oh wow!!!!!

I had started writing that before the last crash and just finished it up. Since then I did take out the heatsink and clean it really good and took out the CPU, re-seated it and put everything back.


I'm running at around 14 degrees Celsius now!!!!

That almost doesn't seem possible compared to how hot it was running before. I wonder if that's accurate?

Maybe I'm in luck and all she needed was a little TLC.

Finger's crossed. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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There may still be a chance that the PC is fine if I replace these lower-cost parts, and if I find out that it's still bad they'll all be things I'd need to buy with a new PC anyhow and if I buy the right PSU it should be compatable with a newer mobo if I have to buy a new one.

Once again.... fingers crossed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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