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Saturday, January 23, 2021 6:14 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It was COOOOOOOOOOOLD here last night.

Nothing record breaking, but by far the coldest night we've had around here this year so far.

It was pretty warm and sunny two days ago, and yesterday fooled me. When I went out on my back porch to smoke it was so sunny that it still felt warm. I didn't even realize that the high yesterday was only 22 degrees. So when I went out shopping, I wasn't exactly dressed for the occasion, and my hair still wasn't completely dry an hour after I took a shower. (Yeah... I forgot how nice it is to have your hair ready in 1 minute when it's short).

It didn't really hit me how cold it was until the wind went right through me while I was unloading my cart in the car, taking the cart back and getting back in the car. Chilled to the bone. I took off my mask and felt something hard behind my ear and almost freaked out imagining what kind of animal or something was on me until I realized that it was my frozen hair. Jeez....


Not feeling under the weather or anything, but I think I'm going to try to limit my time working in the chilly basement today just in case. I'll paint those doors and shelves, then I'll try stripping a few shelves upstairs after laying down some tarps first.

Seriously reconsidering having torn up that vinyl floor in the kitchen this early in. But still happy to have gotten it out though too.


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Well back in upstate NY, for fun, I used to go out with wet hair, shake my head and listen to the icicles clink against each other.

But, I hear ya about the wind. It feels like it's going right thru you if you're not dressed for it.

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Over here, it's raining. A couple of days off no rain, then three more days of predicted rain. I was cold last night, forgot to turn on the heat after airing out the house, plus the air cleaner was blowing on me, so the comforter wasn't quite hacking it. Woke up curled into a little ball at 5AM, turned the air cleaner away, tossed a heavy bathrobe over the comforter and slept a lot more comfortably!

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Saturday, January 23, 2021 7:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL really?

I'm not a stranger to cold weather or long hair, but the last time I had it down past my shoulders I only ever had it tied back when I went out. This time I don't tie it back. Scared the crap out of me for a second. I thought I had a bat on my head or something until it dawned on me.



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Saturday, January 23, 2021 7:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Such a weird time of day to take a little nap. Super bright out and pitch black when you get up. Feels like it's the middle of the night, but it's just past dinner time.



Had a new vision for the project today. Originally, I was going to paint the entirety of the cabinets white, but this would force me to sand down those wall tiles and prep them for paint since they're white too an I didn't want my kitchen to look like a hospital. Now all I'll have to do is bleach them and clean them really good and remove the two where a home phone was once hung so I can tile over that hole (the wire was never there since I've moved in, so it's a lost cause). Oh well on that... Not like land line access is the big driving force in houses anymore these days, and I have several other accessible lines on both floors, and cordless phones with a base station are probably the most likely thing people with a land line would use in 2021 and beyond.

I haven't decided on a color yet, but now I'm going to be doing the doors white and the boxes are going to be a matching color to the soffits above the cabinets where the tiles are, and the adjoining wall after the tiles stop. (The final wall with the overlook into the basement joins up with the living room and will be a different color as well).

I'll still do the corner piece trim white, as well as the small corner molding that is under the soffits. I'm going to remove that molding first and clean everything real good and get the ceiling patched and painted before any paint goes on the cabinets.

Not only will that allow me to finally fix the big hole they cut out around the ceiling fan and never bothered to patch before hanging it back up, but I finally have a chance to take that fan down and figure out why it only blows the air upward to the ceiling. It's a really nice fan. The best in my house by far. I'm sure idiot Bob had something to do with it.



Think I'll try out that solvent on a few shelves tonight and see how that works out in the mean time. I'll be starting on priming a new batch of doors tomorrow. I'll put the few shelves I'm in the middle of doing to the side for now so I don't contaminate brushes again. After putting on two coats it's probably just a slim chance, but I don't want to risk it again.


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Saturday, January 23, 2021 8:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL... talked to my old man and he said he saw the pictures I put up of the job. He said it was a disaster area and he didn't know how I was going to do it. I told him he doesn't have the vision.

Got my right brain from the old man. Got my left brain from my ma.




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Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Picture's worth a thousand words, so I figured it was time to put one along with all the talking...

1st is the dirty door with no work. 2nd is the holes for the new badass hinges. The bottom pic was snapped after I had painted the 3rd layer of primer on the right door and the left door was just sanded and cleaned after the 2nd coat had dried.

Seems that I neglected to snap any pictures after I sanded these doors somehow... Whoops!



(The lighting actually doesn't do justice at all with the difference between the 2nd and 3rd coats and doesn't show the massive yellowing bleedthrough that was still going on.. but you can see a lot of the wood grain still on the 2nd coat that isn't very apparent on the 3rd... you can right click and view image to see it in better detail)

Only 11 more larger doors to go... and then all the shelves... and then the cabinets... and then and then and then........




I'm going to do the stripping of all the remaining shelves with that solvent I found. I did a test shelf and the results are amazing. But it's got that methylene chloride that Signy had mentioned wasn't sold to consumers anymore. The bottle is so old that it doesn't even have any warnings on it.

The crazy stuff we used to do before we knew any better, huh?

It will be great on the stuff I can do outside where I'll ventilate even with the cold, but the idea of using that stuff inside an airtight house while sticking my head in the cabinets isn't too appealing.

I think I've already lost enough brain cells drinking and doing drugs, thank you very much.




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Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


BTW... did you know that it's not the methelyene chloride that kills you? It's how your own body processes it. One of the byproducts after your enzymes go to town on it when it gets inside of you is carbon monoxide. Your body decides that it's a good idea to suffocate you from the inside if you inhale too much of the stuff.


I don't remember the details, but your body does a similar thing to you if you ingest too much moonshine that was distilled improperly and has methylated spirits. The stories about that are true. It can make you go blind.

Strangely, the "cure" in that situation is to get more drunk. Not on more moonshine, but any legit alcohol made for consumption. Your body will first process the ethanol before even touching the methanol, allowing your body to just carry the methanol out through the bladder unprocessed. It's a process that's actually saved lives once they figured out why the person was dying.


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Sunday, January 24, 2021 3:39 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Scuff sanded the first shift of primed goods, cleaned them up, brougth them upstairs and staged them with towels protecting them until I'm ready for paint. After that, it was a deep clean of the basement to get any existing dust out of there before the next round.

I also devised a better plan for the paint buckets I'm using to mount the doors and shelves while I'm painting, since these rest of the doors are much larger than the first ones and will require me to be rotating them more and they will also weigh more. I've taken several paper towels and used rubber bands to clamp them to the top of the paint cans for a protective surface that won't scuff up the bottoms when I flip them over.

After that, I dusted down the remaining 5 doors for the top cabinets and staged them, and decided to also add the single shelf that I stripped last night to the mix. One side of all of them primed 1st coat.

Looks like I managed to save both of my good paint brushes that were all jacked up yesterday, and things went so well with this coat that I didn't even need to switch in between. We'll see if there was any contaminants from the stripped shelf when I pait the other sides tomorrow, but I doubt it. It's really clean.


Going to take a break then get all of my shelves and lazy susan discs out to the garage so I can strip them all. I'll probably give them all a 2nd treatment just to be sure.


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Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Hey Jack, methylene chloride can also kill your liver. Be careful with that stuff!


Not only is inhaling the vapors not good idea, as a liquid it's also absorbed through skin, and the vapors themselves also penetrate your skin.

I'm trying to think of which kind of gloves are capable of keeping it out (butyl rubber? .... heavy duty vinyl? ...)

looks like butyl rubber/ PVA (polyvinyl alcohol)
https://us.pipglobal.com/en/selector-guides/chemical-permeation/?cid=9
3

(another website says these types of gloves should be used for one hour only and then allowed to dry for one hour before re-use)

butyl rubber 30mils thick or thicker
https://www.bencosales.com/glove-safety-cerification/

Viton
https://www.indstate.edu/sites/default/files/media/env-safety/pdfs/uta
h-ehs-glove-selection-guide.pdf


PVA or Viton
http://amo-csd.lbl.gov/downloads/Chemical%20Resistance%20of%20Gloves.p
df


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Sunday, January 24, 2021 5:28 PM

BRENDA


Got a little snow then some rain then rain and snow mixed. Then a little bit of actual snow but now it is snow and rain mixed with the majority of it being rain.

Though the wind blow a plastic bag that had gotten blown onto my balcony off.

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Sunday, January 24, 2021 5:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



The wind giveth and the wind taketh away. Blessed be the name of the wind.




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Sunday, January 24, 2021 5:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Sigh. The storm we just had was supposed to drop a ~quarter of an inch of rain in my area. Local official weather websites indicate less than and eighth of an inch of rain, as does my cachepot rain gauge.

The next storm is supposed to drop a ~third of an inch of rain.

Lady Rain, please be generous. The land, the plants, and the animals are looking to you.


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Sunday, January 24, 2021 7:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Hey Jack, methylene chloride can also kill your liver. Be careful with that stuff!


Not only is inhaling the vapors not good idea, as a liquid it's also absorbed through skin, and the vapors themselves also penetrate your skin.

I'm trying to think of which kind of gloves are capable of keeping it out (butyl rubber? .... heavy duty vinyl? ...)

looks like butyl rubber/ PVA (polyvinyl alcohol)
https://us.pipglobal.com/en/selector-guides/chemical-permeation/?cid=9
3

(another website says these types of gloves should be used for one hour only and then allowed to dry for one hour before re-use)

butyl rubber 30mils thick or thicker
https://www.bencosales.com/glove-safety-cerification/

Viton
https://www.indstate.edu/sites/default/files/media/env-safety/pdfs/uta
h-ehs-glove-selection-guide.pdf


PVA or Viton
http://amo-csd.lbl.gov/downloads/Chemical%20Resistance%20of%20Gloves.p
df




So my nitrile gloves ain't going to do it, huh?

I'm doing the best I can with the stuff and not making a huge mess of things, although a little get on my gloves during the process, and I'm doing it out in the cold garage with airflow.


I'm not going to overdo it. I did 5 shelves, both sides out there today. They probably don't need a second treatment, and I won't decide on that until all the other shelves and the two drawers are done.

I've got such a backlog on painting that I don't need to do more than one trip out there every two days or so (or as temperature permits).

It took me about 90 minutes to do the 5 shelves, and I did take breaks for fresh air in between. I never felt high or anything while I did it. If I only give everything 1 treatment, I really only have two more 90 minute sessions out there with the stuff. Maybe three.

I've already decided that as great as this stuff works, I'm going to have to research some safer alternatives and hope they work at least half as good for the cabinets themselves. I can't open the windows with the weather right now, and on top of it I'd just be huffing those fumes with my face stuck in the boxes. Even worse in the two really deep cabs. I'm actually thinking right now that I'm only going to treat and paint about 3/5ths into those two and paint that deep, then I'll just put white contact paper in the back 2/3rds so it blends in. It's not just the issue of huffing chemicals and paint, but I don't want to put my back and knees in those awkward position for what might be 20 hours or more for the whole process.



I thought if I start to run out of other things to do on the kitchen while I'm painting doors and shelves, I might go back to building the new front steps to the house since I now have the gutters and I'm not worried about the water destroying them immediately again.

We'll see where the new days take me.




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Sunday, January 24, 2021 7:37 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Sigh. The storm we just had was supposed to drop a ~quarter of an inch of rain in my area. Local official weather websites indicate less than and eighth of an inch of rain, as does my cachepot rain gauge.

The next storm is supposed to drop a ~third of an inch of rain.

Lady Rain, please be generous. The land, the plants, and the animals are looking to you.





Please take mine. We've got anywhere from 3 to 10 inches of snow coming my way depending on who you ask. :(


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Sunday, January 24, 2021 11:39 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The wind giveth and the wind taketh away. Blessed be the name of the wind.








True. Though I just reread that sentence of mine about the wind and yuck! My brain was not working right.

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Sunday, January 24, 2021 11:42 PM

BRENDA


Well, what little snow and I do mean little snow fell turned to rain around 1pm and it is still raining now at 8:40pm. *sigh* Gonna rain all night I guess.

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Sunday, January 24, 2021 11:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Finally got around to countersinking and screwing down the top of the first half of the front porch steps, so I can fill the holes up with wood putty when I bust the tub out for all the cabinet fixes. That was a long time coming. I started building that thing a year and a half ago. I could get up on my roof and hurl it at the ground now and it won't break.

Just decided tonight that I'm actually going to paint the legs of the steps with the same bucket of black tar that I'm going to put on the entire perimeter of the house too so it's protected from any rain and it should last 20 years after I move out.




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Monday, January 25, 2021 10:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well I really, really want to fill in the cracks and the countersunk holes on that step today. My problem is that I bought a huge container of wood putty capable of doing every job I need to do, but I'm nowhere near prepping anything else for the putty except for one large missing part on my front door jamb that will probably take half the container.

I hate buying that much at a time since I've never actually seen the bottom of a wood putty jar before it went bad, but if you buy the container half the size you're paying 3 times as much by volume.

I'm going to see what thinner is used in it (hopefully water) and add that when I'm done, and I'm going to see if I didn't throw away an old roll of plastic wrap to put under the lid.

I already know that wrapping it with aluminum foil won't work. Tried that on a large tub of spackle I bought and that's unusable now too.


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Monday, January 25, 2021 12:40 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I used to watch it to try and understand what's going on with them. And for the most part it seems like it was brain chemistry (sometimes coupled with dementia) that was clearly driving people's thoughts. Even though to them, they seemed to feel that those ideas were originating from within their mental chatter, and they felt that they were driving that bus (and not passengers).

Of the people I saw who got better, most seemed to have to struggle with hoarding in an ongoing way.

There was only 1 who seemed to have a revolution of mental state, where he clearly crossed some kind of barrier between it being normal for him, and then he looked back on it and realized how abnormal it was, because it was no longer part of his mental process.

But he was different from most. He wasn't so old he was demented. He came to hoarding rather late in life (his 50s). His wife had literally died in the hoard because fire/ EMS couldn't get to her in time and carry her out when she had a medical crisis of her chronic condition. And he sought help for himself. So, one thing or another, he was to me a clear exception.


Other than that, it's a mystery to me. Some people as I mentioned earlier were diagnosed with dementia. Some were very emotion-driven and their emotions were all over the place. But others seemed to be rational with good understanding of the world around them ... who just had this need to ... hoard. And that need was driving what COULD have been rational thoughts - I was working on a project and I'll need this later ... except looking around CLEARLY that need to hoard had led to an extreme physical outcome their (many) rationalizations couldn't justify.

(I can understand btw how people can 'fail to see' a hoard. Nobody starts a hoard with floors breaking under the weight. It starts with a pile of stuff here, then a pile of stuff there. Over time it becomes an accumulation. But by that time one has grown accustomed to it, and has trained the mind to ignore it as a problem, except for how to navigate, and how to hide it from relatives, friends, neighbors, and code enforcement. I think ignoring the overall environment and focusing down on particulars happens with many circumstances, like for instance the people who live on the trash dumps in the Philippines.)

Anyway, I came to no conclusions, and no global understanding, except it seems neurochemical, and with many different elements involved; and possible actually several different causes leading to a singular common noticeable extreme.




It seems like a real hodge-podge of things. I don't think anybody knows for sure what kicks it off. You mentioned earlier you didn't believe it to be OCD related, but at the same time nearly every doctor on the show introduces themselves in the beginning of the episode and specifically lists OCD and other anxiety related issues as their expertise.

Jury's out on whether or not I have some level of OCD and/or bi-polar disorder. But I'm certainly not suffering from dementia yet.

I think I mentioned it before, but the hardest part of getting rid of all of it for me was just getting it out to the curb or packing it up to go to Goodwill. Well... the second hardest after cleaning up all the mouse piss and shit.

Unlike the people on the show who are faced with only 2 or 3 days to make decisions, I had the benefit of a lot of time to go through it. Not only that, but I was able to go through it all a second time a few years later and really get rid of stuff.

I can see where these people really feel overwhelmed because they had all the time in the world to do it and now they only have a weekend and 30 other pairs of hands all over their things making all the decisions.


Even now that I've got a few empty rooms in the house, tons of room in the garage, and everything has a place (when I'm not moving stuff like all the kitchen things to work on it), I know there's still more I can get rid of.

I'd say maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the things I had in the kitchen cabinets and drawers won't make a return trip. Most of my wall hangings will be ditched. Now that I've lived a few summers and I'm going through my 2nd winter since I got my clothing down to a manageable level that fits in a single closet and two dresser, I can take time to go through them again and realize that probably 1/2 of the stuff wasn't worn at all in the last year and a half. And I doubt I'd find too much that I had boxed up in the attic outside of my electronics that I'd still want to hold on to now.

When one of my old buddies came to my house for the first time around a year ago one of the first things he said to me was "boy, you're a minimalist, huh?".

I'm trying.

Since then I've have seen "Citizen Kane" (1941), winner the Oscar for Best Picture. In early scenes, Kane is accumulating art, enough for 5 museums. In the last scenes, after his death, the art is shown still in shipping crates in Kane's mansion. The movie never used the word hoarder, but it was all about Kane's psychology. Maybe more ordinary hoarders are making, at least inside their heads, extraordinary lives and enormous cleanups after death similar to Charles Foster Kane's?
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/citizen-kane-1941/critic-reviews

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, January 25, 2021 1:24 PM

BRENDA


It's an umbrella kind of day. Yuck!

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Monday, January 25, 2021 2:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I used to watch it to try and understand what's going on with them. And for the most part it seems like it was brain chemistry (sometimes coupled with dementia) that was clearly driving people's thoughts. Even though to them, they seemed to feel that those ideas were originating from within their mental chatter, and they felt that they were driving that bus (and not passengers).

Of the people I saw who got better, most seemed to have to struggle with hoarding in an ongoing way.

There was only 1 who seemed to have a revolution of mental state, where he clearly crossed some kind of barrier between it being normal for him, and then he looked back on it and realized how abnormal it was, because it was no longer part of his mental process.

But he was different from most. He wasn't so old he was demented. He came to hoarding rather late in life (his 50s). His wife had literally died in the hoard because fire/ EMS couldn't get to her in time and carry her out when she had a medical crisis of her chronic condition. And he sought help for himself. So, one thing or another, he was to me a clear exception.


Other than that, it's a mystery to me. Some people as I mentioned earlier were diagnosed with dementia. Some were very emotion-driven and their emotions were all over the place. But others seemed to be rational with good understanding of the world around them ... who just had this need to ... hoard. And that need was driving what COULD have been rational thoughts - I was working on a project and I'll need this later ... except looking around CLEARLY that need to hoard had led to an extreme physical outcome their (many) rationalizations couldn't justify.

(I can understand btw how people can 'fail to see' a hoard. Nobody starts a hoard with floors breaking under the weight. It starts with a pile of stuff here, then a pile of stuff there. Over time it becomes an accumulation. But by that time one has grown accustomed to it, and has trained the mind to ignore it as a problem, except for how to navigate, and how to hide it from relatives, friends, neighbors, and code enforcement. I think ignoring the overall environment and focusing down on particulars happens with many circumstances, like for instance the people who live on the trash dumps in the Philippines.)

Anyway, I came to no conclusions, and no global understanding, except it seems neurochemical, and with many different elements involved; and possible actually several different causes leading to a singular common noticeable extreme.




It seems like a real hodge-podge of things. I don't think anybody knows for sure what kicks it off. You mentioned earlier you didn't believe it to be OCD related, but at the same time nearly every doctor on the show introduces themselves in the beginning of the episode and specifically lists OCD and other anxiety related issues as their expertise.

Jury's out on whether or not I have some level of OCD and/or bi-polar disorder. But I'm certainly not suffering from dementia yet.

I think I mentioned it before, but the hardest part of getting rid of all of it for me was just getting it out to the curb or packing it up to go to Goodwill. Well... the second hardest after cleaning up all the mouse piss and shit.

Unlike the people on the show who are faced with only 2 or 3 days to make decisions, I had the benefit of a lot of time to go through it. Not only that, but I was able to go through it all a second time a few years later and really get rid of stuff.

I can see where these people really feel overwhelmed because they had all the time in the world to do it and now they only have a weekend and 30 other pairs of hands all over their things making all the decisions.


Even now that I've got a few empty rooms in the house, tons of room in the garage, and everything has a place (when I'm not moving stuff like all the kitchen things to work on it), I know there's still more I can get rid of.

I'd say maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the things I had in the kitchen cabinets and drawers won't make a return trip. Most of my wall hangings will be ditched. Now that I've lived a few summers and I'm going through my 2nd winter since I got my clothing down to a manageable level that fits in a single closet and two dresser, I can take time to go through them again and realize that probably 1/2 of the stuff wasn't worn at all in the last year and a half. And I doubt I'd find too much that I had boxed up in the attic outside of my electronics that I'd still want to hold on to now.

When one of my old buddies came to my house for the first time around a year ago one of the first things he said to me was "boy, you're a minimalist, huh?".

I'm trying.

Since then I've have seen "Citizen Kane" (1941), winner the Oscar for Best Picture. In early scenes, Kane is accumulating art, enough for 5 museums. In the last scenes, after his death, the art is shown still in shipping crates in Kane's mansion. The movie never used the word hoarder, but it was all about Kane's psychology. Maybe more ordinary hoarders are making, at least inside their heads, extraordinary lives and enormous cleanups after death similar to Charles Foster Kane's?
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/citizen-kane-1941/critic-reviews



I've always thought I might watch that one again. I had to watch it in a college Film class and hated it just as much as I hated 2001: A Space Odyssey which they also made us watch (and which to this day I still have no interest in ever watching again).

I was in that class with one of the idiots I used to hang out with back then and I think maybe I just wasn't mature enough to appreciate what critics still say is the best film ever made. Outside of "Rosebud", I couldn't tell you a single plot point of the movie today, 20 years after I saw it.

I think it could be possible that some people are hoarding the stuff to do what you said, but certainly not all of them. I don't think the crazy cat ladies living with 50 dead cats in their freezer and an Olympic sized pool of cat poop in their house are doing it to show the people who need to clean it what an extraordinary life they lived.

A majority of hoarders are mortified to even let family members in their house while they're alive too. That's why so many of them end up pooping in bags and showering at the gym, because after the plumbing stops working they won't let anybody into their house to come and fix it.


There's so many different types of hoarding from over-stuffing your home with valuable antiques and managing not to have any vermin invade it, to simply refusing to throw out a single piece of trash and somehow avoiding contracting the bubonic plague when you're sleeping in a house with 50 rats that are crawling over you at night.

I don't know if anybody could ever come up with a one-size-fits-all reason why people do it, so I don't know if anybody could then come up with any real indicators that a person might end up having those tenancies to warn them beforehand. It's a very slow process and doesn't just happen overnight.


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Monday, January 25, 2021 2:35 PM

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When I was young, I always thought there were two kinds of people: keepers and thrower-outers. I'm a thrower-outer, living with two keepers.

When dd was young and not able to pay attention to anything, and hubby was focused entirely on work, I used to go thru the house once a year, boxing things up in the guest bedroom, and if nobody yelled that something was missing in six months, out it went! I figured that everyone should have a large-ish box for memorabilia .... memorabilia IMHO is a legitimate function .... but not a whole houseful!

But now that dd's attention is MUCH better now, and hubby is retired and keeps a closer eye on everything, decluttering is going much, much slower. Letting go of anything is especially painful for dd, and she just doesn't know how to organize and put things away, so I wind up finding stashes of stuff jumbled together that we have to go thru item by item. I just found two such stashes yesterday, and today we will be going thru her coin "collection" (hoard) which is scattered all over the dinging room table, and see what we can do with that.

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Monday, January 25, 2021 2:35 PM

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Decided to get some shopping out of the way since the forecast made a huge turn for the worse. Supposedly, we could have 12 inches overnight. :(

Most of the stuff I picked up for the current job today I probably won't even get to until after that snow melted, but I did manage to find a gallon bucket of a "safe" alternative to the stripping solvent I've been using. I made sure I can take it back if it doesn't work, and I have my doubts since they say to paint it on thick and leave it for up to three days before taking it off (compared to the 10 to 20 minutes with the stuff I've already got).

I bought all my corner piece trim for the cabs, and a 5 gallon bucket of joint compound to do my wall repairs when I get to that since it was on sale today.

I think I might just do my daily round of painting today and call it quits. Not really feeling the spark. Usually I do my shopping at the end of the day. But if I don't at least do the paint shift I'm going to feel real guilty that I wasted a day since that's going to be the bottleneck on my job.


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Monday, January 25, 2021 5:26 PM

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Did my round of paint today. And the snow already started outside.

Not much feeling like going back out there for stripping, and I said I was going to give myself at least a day break in between using that solvent. (I'm still going to use the old stuff for the things I can take out to the garage, and I'll use that new garbage on the cabinets and keep my fingers crossed it actually does anything).

I'm in that situation now where I do feel in the mood to do more work, but none of the stuff that needs doing is appealing to me right now.




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Walk in and outside errands done. Garbage out and my chair rearranged just a little.

It still sort of looks like it is heading for a rain but we shall see.

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Monday, January 25, 2021 7:31 PM

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I just wanted to point out Jack that wearing gloves that leak is actually worse than wearing no gloves at all. If you get MeCl2 (technically CH2Cl2 dichloromethane, aka methylene chloride) inside your gloves, rather than flash evaporate off, it'll spread between your gloves and your skin, trapping it there for even longer, better absorption.

Here are some guides as to which gloves do what. Also note that the thickness of the material plays a role in its barrier function. A material of only average resistance can give good protection for a specified amount of time before solvent break-through.

http://amo-csd.lbl.gov/downloads/Chemical%20Resistance%20of%20Gloves.p
df


https://www.bnl.gov/esh/shsd/SBMS_Linked/ExhibitChemicalProtectiveGlov
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https://www.augusta.edu/services/ehs/chemsafe/PDF%20files/gloveselecha
rt.pdf


https://cleanroom.byu.edu/gloves



I remember reading a story when I was quite young - pre-teen I think, about a couple of floor refinishers stripping floors using carbon tetrachloride indoors in winter (with all the windows closed), that eventually passed out from the fumes and died there because they didn't(couldn't) get out.

I myself was working with solvents compositing paints for a new method - working in a room with 4 working hoods and a snorkel - when I was violently overcome by the vapors. It was so sudden, it was like being hit in the side of the head - with a raging headache, double vision, ringing in my ears, and severe nausea. After 'evacuating' and recovering, I eventually went back to working in the room, with both doors closed (to protect others), using an organic vapor mask, and having someone check on me every half-hour.

Organic solvents are no joke!


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... today we will be going thru her coin "collection" (hoard) which is scattered all over the dinging room table, and see what we can do with that.

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WONDERFUL!

Lady Rain was generous with her sweet rainfall at the Santa Fe Dam (nearest station to me by the foothills). Going into January we were already over 3 inches behind, and this rainfall puts January at only 3 more inches behind, but it was more than predicted.

And maybe we'll get even more rain in the next few days.


https://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we138b.php


Rain and snow is what keeps all the green green. It's how one pays for a fire-free environment. Otherwise, things dry up, then fire takes hold.


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Monday, January 25, 2021 8:44 PM

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Well one of my gloves did break yesterday. I immediately took it off and wiped my finger off although there didn't appear to have been anything on it.

I'm not going to get all paranoid about it. I never felt high while I was out there and people had been using this stuff for decades before the EPA banned it in 2019. I feel fine now, over 24 hours later. Although I wouldn't know how to go about dating the can I had other than the list price and sale price on the tag which seem quite expensive, the can didn't even have any warnings on it.

I'm not arguing that it isn't dangerous, but a lot of people used it and I'm half thinking that some of them even did the work without even wearing any gloves because they didn't know better at all back then.


I'm only going to use it when it's warm enough to comfortably work outside and I'm not dragging a bunch of snow in on my back porch when I'm going back and forth, and I'm not going to use it in the house where I can't open the windows and I'd be sticking half my body into tiny boxes loaded with the stuff.

My total exposure time over the course of several weeks shouldn't be more than 9 or 10 hours max, in a ventilated area. I went through about 1/2 of a roll of paper towel during the removal process and get a minimal amount on my gloves. The only reason the glove broke is because some of these shelves still have some jagged edges since I didn't sand them down yet.

I'm going to reluctantly use this dumb shit that takes up to 3 days to be ready for removal instead of 10 to 20 minutes. Hopefully it actually removes something.


Glad you got some rains.


Nobody knows what the hell is going on here. We've gone from 6 to 10 inches two days ago, down to 3 to 6 inches last night, back up to 8 to 12 inches about five hours ago and now they're saying 3 to 5 inches.

I'm still hoping for 1.






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Got a Christmas card in the mail today.

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Wow.

For this year or last year?


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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... today we will be going thru her coin "collection" (hoard) which is scattered all over the dinging room table, and see what we can do with that.

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I'm so sorry that you're dealing with such a mess.


Well, we didn't quite get to that today. Did a lot of other stuff that was in the list, mostly tidying up, recycling all of the boxes, wrapping, and plastic from Xmas and other orders, sweeping up etc. Nothing big, just making the living space more livable.

Spent some time yesterday picking up, cutting up and binning up the many palm fronds that came down with the last bout of wind. Damn, those things are fibrous! Now I knw why they ue them to tatch huts! It's been so uncharacteristically windy here in the flatlands I don't think there's much else to come down.

Trying to figure out if my time is best spent outdoors tomorrow, digging up some glyphosate-resistant weeds, or inside with more cleanup.

Too much of about equal importance on the list. What to do?

Well, for sure I have to get my phone set up for a telemed visit with my ENT surgeon (download the app, get the right link via text instead of email), to hopefully get the go-ahead to continue what I've been doing, plus I need to get back with Terminix to get more details on heat treatment v tenting/fumigation.

Have you heard anything about either one, pro or con?

So, no big projects in the near future, just pushing a lot of little things forward.

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SIX, just to put in my $0.02 about solvents... I was developing an x-ray method for determining lead in gasoline (involved using a bismuth internal standard and it worked fabulously; now they would prolly just use ICPMS, but I digress). Well, the instrument was in the middle of the lab, it was there for solids and filter samples and nobody had bothered too put in venting, but I was working with gasoline. Innocuous right? Just gasoline. And all went swimmingly for a week or so when I was hit with a blinding headache. Gasoline at the time contained both benzene (known human carcinogen) and hexane. And hexane specifically causes thalamic swelling, which prolly accounted for the headache.

Same thing happened when I was reorganizing the sample storage room ... we did a lot of paint analysis so we had a lot of house paints, solvents, and industrial maintenance paints. THAT time I wound up sick to my stomaches.

Methylene chloride is one of those rare chemicals that are KNOWN human carcinogens (pop quiz! How many chemicals are KNOWN human carcinogens?) so in addition to being acutely toxic it can have long term effects down the road.

So just be careful.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 4:16 AM

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... plus I need to get back with Terminix to get more details on heat treatment v tenting/fumigation.

Have you heard anything about either one, pro or con?

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No, sorry. Doesn't fumigation need you to move out for 3 days or so? If you can stay at home with the heat treatment and they come back a redo any recurring infestations in the next 3 years, just in terms of convenience I'd go with heat treatment myself.

Pushing a lot of little things forward. I like the sound of that! When I do yet another task, that's what I'll tell myself!


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And doesn't NMP solvent cause heart damage?


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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 9:06 AM

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SIX, just to put in my $0.02 about solvents... I was developing an x-ray method for determining lead in gasoline (involved using a bismuth internal standard and it worked fabulously; now they would prolly just use ICPMS, but I digress). Well, the instrument was in the middle of the lab, it was there for solids and filter samples and nobody had bothered too put in venting, but I was working with gasoline. Innocuous right? Just gasoline. And all went swimmingly for a week or so when I was hit with a blinding headache. Gasoline at the time contained both benzene (known human carcinogen) and hexane. And hexane specifically causes thalamic swelling, which prolly accounted for the headache.

Same thing happened when I was reorganizing the sample storage room ... we did a lot of paint analysis so we had a lot of house paints, solvents, and industrial maintenance paints. THAT time I wound up sick to my stomaches.

Methylene chloride is one of those rate chemicals that are KNOWN human carcinogens, so in addition to being acutely toxic it can have long term effects down the road.

So just be careful.

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Yeah. I'm not blowing you guys off on this one. I actually am a little concerned about it. I called my old man the night I tested that first shelf inside my house and told him that if he didn't hear from me in 24 hours to call in a wellness check for me.

I can go more than a few days in between strips and see how I'm feeling.

It doesn't look like I'll need more than one treatment for the shelves after all... Even though the sandpaper still did gunk up a little after the test shelf was stripped, it was able to still do the job right, and the first coat on both sides of that shelf took better than any shelf or door that came before it. If anything, the shelves in the garage came out cleaner since I did 5 at once and went outside for air before stripping the stuff off.

Now I'm thinking my total remaining exposure time would be only around 5 hours.


When I'm done with them, even wiped down, there still seems to be quite a bit in the wood. When I brought them in my back porch after stripping them, I came back out there an hour or two later and could still smell it on them so I didn't bring them inside. A day later the smell went away. I might bring them inside today (a little less than 48 hours after treatment) for sanding.

I've got a big backlog of painting to do right now. I could probably go a few more days before I need to start thinking of stripping the next round of stuff. I've only got 6 discs for the Lazy Susans, 1 shelf, and 2 drawers. If things go well and I don't need to do any 2nd treatments to the Susans since they're going to be the trickiest, it's possible I only have about 3 more hours time working with the stuff.

I'm being careful.




BTW... did anybody see my before/after pictures of the doors up there? I posted a lot that day and nobody's said anything about them.


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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 9:09 AM

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It's not done snowing but we didn't get 12" last night.

Sadly, it's more than the 1" I was hoping for, but with the worst behind us it's not more than possibly 3". Looks like it missed us.... this time.




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And doesn't NMP solvent cause heart damage?


When we were developing a method for analyzing paints, coatings, and solvents, we had to find a solvent that would dissolve almost everything and extract or dilute all of the extant organic compounds without chromatographically interfering with them, and with a reasonable safety profile, and the best we could come up with was tetrahydrofuran (THF). We looked at NMP, but one of the chemists who had worked with it previously developed a heart flutter as a result, so we took that off the list.

For general home degreasing, I think the best solvent is butyl cellosolve. They used to put in rug cleaners (yanno, for the steam/hot water rug cleaners that you could rent) and that's what did the best grease-cutting. Then it was on the EPA toxics list as causing liver damage, then it was off the toxics list. I never did bird-dog why the reversal ... maybe industry pressure, maybe legitimate new data... but it's not on the toxics list now and it's available online.

So one of these days when I have nothing else to do I'm going to damp mop our wood floors with a water/butyl cellosolve/a few drops of detergent mix, because the dust around here is very, very greasy and that means even the floors get greasy.

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It's not done snowing but we didn't get 12" last night.

Sadly, it's more than the 1" I was hoping for, but with the worst behind us it's not more than possibly 3". Looks like it missed us.... this time.




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Yup.

Been great so far, but I've just damned myself by even thinking those words out loud.





You be safe when working with the chemicals too. And just keep in mind that whatever new "safe" ones that they're putting out have a pretty good chance of not being safe at all one day in retrospect.





I'm posting this picture again because I'm just as petty and narcissistic as Nilbog says I am and I need some validation, dammit.






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Yup.

Been great so far, but I've just damned myself by even thinking those words out loud.





You be safe when working with the chemicals too. And just keep in mind that whatever new "safe" ones that they're putting out have a pretty good chance of not being safe at all one day in retrospect.





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Oh, yeah, I wanted to comment on this

Dear daughter: "I like the unpainted ones better."

But I like the painted ones myself. When I expand the picture you're right: I can see the wood thru the paint (lower left).

NICE JOB, SIX! How do you get the paint so even? Are the two painted ones after sanding? Because the only way I know how to get such an even layer is spray paint. Also, are you using water or oil-based?

I can see that you're a perfectionist. I'll bet your kitchen is going to look absolutely marvelous when you're done. I get the idea that the doors will be white but the boxes will be another color to contrast with the white tile (correct?) but I'm really curious: what color will you choose? I'm dying to find out.

Also, I looke up the website for hosting pix. Once I strip the metadata off my pix I might post some too. But that won't be for a long while: Not until my projects are picture-worthy!

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WONDERFUL!

Lady Rain was generous with her sweet rainfall at the Santa Fe Dam (nearest station to me by the foothills). Going into January we were already over 3 inches behind, and this rainfall puts January at only 3 more inches behind, but it was more than predicted.

And maybe we'll get even more rain in the next few days.


https://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we138b.php


Rain and snow is what keeps all the green green. It's how one pays for a fire-free environment. Otherwise, things dry up, then fire takes hold.


We got 5/16" in the first rain event and 3/8" in the second. Not the cavalcade of cloudbursts like we had before, but a lot better than nothing.

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Atmospheric River Strikes California
by Tyler Durden
Tuesday, Jan 26, 2021 - 9:45

On Tuesday, Bloomberg points out that multiple weather systems are traversing the country with high accumulating snow probabilities from the Southwest to the Northeast.
Source: Bloomberg

Today's top weather events (courtesy of Bloomberg):


California ordered evacuations in some parts as a drenching storm known as an atmospheric river is poised to dump rain and snow, potentially setting off mudslides in a state that's still recuperating from its worst-ever fire season.

Atmospheric rivers can unleash about the same amount of water that flows out of the Mississippi River's mouth. They cost an average of $1.1 billion in damages annually.

Wind gusts and 17-foot waves are further snarling port traffic in Los Angeles.

The Midwest is being pummeled by snow and areas of the Southwest, including Arizona and Utah, are in for more than a foot through tonight. The Northeast may get a sprinkling.

* * *

A narrow corridor of highly concentrated moisture in the atmosphere, otherwise known as an atmospheric river (AR), is set to strike California by mid-week, leaving lower elevations with torrential rainfall and higher elevations in the Sierra Nevada, with feet of snow.


AR will approach the Golden State by midweek. The long plume of moisture in the atmosphere stretches from the Pacific Ocean subtropic will dump much-needed rain and increase the snowpack to combat an ongoing drought in the state.

Atmospheric river set up looks more probable Wednesday - Friday as moisture values 200-400% above normal stall over Southern and Central California. With vulnerable and fire scarred landscape, threat for flooding and landslides and mountains of mountain snow! #CAwx pic.twitter.com/4FYUbi4tL8
— Jeff Berardelli (@WeatherProf) January 23, 2021

The Weather Channel reports the heaviest rain this week will be observed in Northern and Central California that will start late Tuesday and continue through Thursday. Other locations, including the Bay Area southward to Big Sur and parts of San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara counties, could see more than 3 inches of rain.



By late week, the system will shift southward toward Los Angeles and San Diego.

The National Weather Service (NWS) has issued flash flood watches from the northern Bay Area southward to Monterey.



NWS has also issued high wind watches from the Sacramento Valley to the Bay Area southward to around Monterey.

In elevations above 4,500 feet, especially in the northern Sierra, this region could see accumulating snowfall of 7 feet this week.



In about a week, California goes from one of the driest six-month stretches (as we noted last week) in state history to one that could potentially be very wet and snowy depending on elevations.



Let's hope "Tyler Durden" is correct!
According to Wunderground, SF is expecting about 3.5" of rain; a respectable amount for a 10-day period but not exactly drought-busting. OTOH Placerville is expected to get 6.5" of rain; which should bring totals up quite a bit. Southern CA is just going to get the blow-by.
Utah and Arizona and the Four Corners area might get some beneficial moisture, let's hope!

Looks like northern Indiana might get clipped, and western NYS might get nailed.

Oh, dear.


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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:48 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, yeah, I wanted to comment on this

Dear daughter: "I like the unpainted ones better."



Grrrrrrrr.....

My step dad would probably kill me for this. He always said that painting over wood is a sin.

They were really beat up though, and the original job was just as bad as anything else that was ever done in this house. My camera is on a 10 year old not-iPad and although it takes better pictures than anything I've owned before, it still really is lousy at doing the job.

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But I like the painted ones myself.


Thanks for saying so, even if you don't mean it. It purely is a matter of taste. I just really like clean painted stuff a lot more than bare wood on most things in a house.

They're not painted yet though. That's just 3 layers of primer on the right one and 2 on the left one. I'm putting pure white high gloss enamel on them when I'm done with all the priming.



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When I expand the picture you're right: I can see the wood thru the paint (lower left).


Yeah. What else the pictures fail to show is how yellow the lower left one still was. It's the only reason I put 3 coats of primer on instead of two. I want to seal all the stain/poly/lacquer in under the primer before I paint anything.

I think the doors I sanded later are faring much better and would only need two (I'll know tomorrow when the batch I just did is dry), and the stripped shelves certainly can get away with only two, but I think I'm still going to do 3 just to keep everything even now.

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NICE JOB, SIX! How do you get the paint so even?


It's actually a process that would probably be better explained through showing rather than telling, since you really just have to develop "the feel" for it, but I can give it a shot... (I'll put it at the bottom of the post)

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Are the two painted ones after sanding?


The bottom left one was after a second round of primer and then scuff sanding.

The bottom right one was immediately after I had applied the 3rd coat of primer after the two rounds of priming/sanding. (So no third sand yet... although they have all gotten one and are staged and protected from dust until I'm ready for the actual paint).

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Because the only way I know how to get such an even layer is spray paint.


I'm so terrible with spray paint, and paint sprayers. You'd probably do a much better job spraying that I ever could. I love my brushes and rollers.



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Also, are you using water or oil-based?


Just water based primer so far, and I'm using water based enamel paint for the finish coats. Busting my Purdy brush out of semi-retirement for the final paint coat for sure.



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I can see that you're a perfectionist. I'll bet your kitchen is going to look absolutely marvelous when you're done. I get the idea that the doors will be white but the boxes will be another color to contrast with the white tile (correct?) but I'm really curious: what color will you choose? I'm dying to find out.


I don't know what color I'm doing too. I'm also dying to find out.

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Also, I looke up the website for hosting pix. Once I strip the metadata off my pix I might post some too. But that won't be for a long while: Not until my projects are picture-worthy!


I used to worry about that stuff, but not really anymore. If somebody wants to doxx me then they can go burn in hell for it for all I care. It's not like I'm on the run from anything like the dude who invented Norton Antivirus who got caught because of the metadata on a simple photo he took during a "secret interview".

I'd love to see your work when you're ready too.





As for how I do it, well...

After I sand everything as good as I can and clean them up, I start by painting the backs first. I paint heavy along the indent in the center (since these are all actually 5 pieces of wood glued together, trying to be as careful as I can not to get too much outside of the indent. First dip goes in heavy on the upper right and upper left corners, painted into the middle, then the excess painted down the sides. Next dip I do the same thing for the bottom corners and go up with it. Then on the 3rd/4th dips I do the rest of the sides, doing my best to fill in the "cracks" between the pieces of wood. At this point, I wipe as much off my brush in the center as I can and then go over anywhere I might have gone outside of the center to make sure it's smoothed out and there's no heavy spots I probably wouldn't get to in time when I go around the sides. After that, I use as much paint as I need to fill the center, taking care not to get back into the corners too much unless I notice any dripping happening, which I then smooth out.

This whole first part is done with me sitting, legs crossed on the floor and the bottom of the door in my lap, and so is the 2nd part.

For the 2nd part (the outside of the center), I take my 1st dip and put it up in the left corner heavy, up in the center heavy, and then use my thinned out brush to work my way out from the very edges of the outside of the center to the very ends of the door, taking care not to let any drips from the heavy splots I put down run into the center (since I'm still working on the doors vertically in my lap at this point). When I need more paint, I take them from the heavy spots, and eventually work it all in (you get a feel for how much you'll need on the brush doing this part after a few doors. Once the flat part is done, I dab the brush (which is now thin) along the sides of the door (which would be the around 1/2" on the very bottom and tops and both sides of the door, and ever so gently brush that in (so there isn't any buildup on the bare wood on the other side), then I brush straight up on the left side, straight across on the top flat part, and up on the right side (It gets a little tricky around the pocket holes by the hinges, but as long as you dab it around them when you're brush is fairly thin, you probably shouldn't have to clean it out too much, and to do that I just rub my finger on the inside and wipe it off on paper towel if any gets in there).

At this point, I lay the back on top of my paint can that has paper towels wrapped around it with rubber bands.

Then I just work my way around the bottom right side, to the bottom of the door, and then around up the left side to the top of the door, generally using the same process, only now I'm working down on the rest instead of holding it in my lap. Since I'm still sitting, I reach under and "twist" the paint can to move the piece, rather than move the piece itself. No big deal when you're starting your first coat on the first side, but even with protection on top of the cans now I don't want to rub them too much by moving the piece.



The process for the front is more or less the same, although working inside the valley in between can be quite tricky. You don't want to use too much. I had to do a LOT of sanding down drips and high spots on those 4 doors between the first 2 coats since I wasn't nearly as careful as I thought I was being. It ends up taking 10 times as long to sand out mistakes than it takes to do it right while painting.

I DO the dab on the 1/2" of the tops and bottoms and sides of the door on EVERY coat, whether it's the back or the front of the door. So with 3 layers of primer, it has six light layers of primer on it now and is super protected from dings and dents. With 2 more coats of paint going on them, the sides of all the doors will be protected with 10 thin coats and should be damn near impervious to regular use (at least, that's my theory).


You get better as you do more too. The 2nd batch of doors hardly needed any sanding at all outside of scuff sanding. Just a the tiniest bit around the edges in the back which are very easy to sand down without causing damage to your coat, being careful with a (new and hard) sanding sponge. I only had one single spot in the decorative valley in the front of 5 doors I needed to give extra attention to this time. I was blown away when sanding 5 large doors and a shelf in between coats only took me an hour today. It took almost 2 1/2 hours that first day because of how much dripping I had going on.


3 more days of priming on this current batch, then it's on to the next batch. I still have 6 shelves, 6 discs, 6 doors and 2 drawers that need primer... Then 2 coats of paint on all of them.

This is going to take a while. I've always got to be doing other things that need being done during the day, especially now since I'm getting better at this and it only took me 3 hours to scuff sand and paint this batch.









Oh... and if I had it all to do over again, I would probably just caulk the indents in both the front and back center pieces rather than fill them in with primer. 3 coats pretty much does the trick, but I think it would have made the job a lot easier just to use caulk, even though I pretty much hate caulking anything.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 5:33 PM

BRENDA


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Wow.

For this year or last year?


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It was for 2020. It came from the US and the lady who sent it said she was getting her cards late in the mail. But the hold up with its delivery must have been at the border because the post mark says and I kid you not on this "Dec.19,2020."

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 5:38 PM

BRENDA


Nice, bright, sunny day here. Suppose to rain or something tonight. Will have to see.

Called a friend to see if we could get together to exchange Christmas presents but it won't happen until maybe a couple of weeks into February.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 5:39 PM

BRENDA


Bought a box of those egg and milk free cookies a couple of days ago and just had some. They're okay. Not great but okay.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 5:42 PM

BRENDA


TV is all messed up tonight. Suppose to be Prodigal Son and FBI: Most Wanted. But tv mag just says FBI: Most Wanted have to check it out.

Also this laptop has zapped me at least twice. I hate getting zapped.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 6:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


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Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wow.

For this year or last year?


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It was for 2020. It came from the US and the lady who sent it said she was getting her cards late in the mail. But the hold up with its delivery must have been at the border because the post mark says and I kid you not on this "Dec.19,2020."

I'm not surprised.

I sent my sister a box of N95s on Dec 12. A day later (bc I forgot I had to fill out a customs form) I sent our friend in Toronto HIS box. Well, Xmas comes and Xmas goes and neither has received their package.

Sis got hers towards the end of the first week in January, and friend got his about mid-January. He was so concerned I emailed him the tracking number which showed it left the LA postal terminal Dec 14, but what happened after that.... ?

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 6:37 PM

SIGNYM

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Speaking mail... BRENDA and KIKI, see if you can get "Signed, Sealed, and Delivered" originally a Hallmark series. It's very sweet, a nice watch. In like it because the characters are decent people, and unlike most American TV series there's very little crime and vengeance.

I contrast that with "Tin Star" which we started watching, but nearly every character in it is corrupt, stupid, or psychopathic, and it turned into such a murder- fest I just couldn't stomach it anymore.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 6:49 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Though the doors are not my 'style' (I prefer a simple Shaker-style) I thought the paint job looked really good!

FWIW I also prefer a painted look, as long as the paint stays hard and doesn't get tacky with weather and/ or time. (But that's true of any wood finish. Literally tacky finishes are a real pain to deal with day to day.)

There's just not too many woods where I like the figure-and-grain, or color, or both ... except on floors. IDK why, it's just a preference.

I'll say that the one exception was the wardrobe I saw in an antique store, where the wood was essentially neutral brown (no red, green, or yellow undertones) light through dark-medium tones of maple syrup, and the grain was more like a subtle set of highlights that glinted differently depending on how the light shone on it, a bit like a 'tiger eye' gemstone.

As a piece I thought it was beautiful. But I wouldn't want a whole wall of it!

I also did see the grain come through a bit. That's of interest to me because at some point I hope to (carefully) remove some of the drywall and replace it with borate-treated (anti-insect) interior plywood as internal shear panels with one A-face to the inside. If it can be painted to look nice, I won't have to reinstall the drywall there.

Good luck on the bleed-through! I had significant bleed-through on my home's exterior since the wood siding is either cedar or redwood, with lots of natural tannins that came through. And Signy had curry-bleed through when she cleaned and painted the apartment! So we both know what a chore bleed-through can be!


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