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Saturday, January 16, 2021 11:43 PM

BRENDA


Maybe just as well I get a break from my boss next week. Comment on Friday about my hypoglycemia to which I replied to her that I take it very seriously. Also mentioned that she wouldn't want to be calling an ambulance for me if my blood sugar went to low.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 6:23 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Hey Signy, I've forgotten. Have you ever tried out agricultural acetic acid for a quick weed-kill knock-down?


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 9:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm wondering why you're having so many issues with weeds, especially with a flamethrower at your disposal.

I'd let my weed situation get seriously out of hand over the years, but after two years of regular spraying I've got them under control with only about 3 treatments during the warm months necessary now.

I can't remember... did you try that concentrate that I told you about a while back? Stuff is super cheap for how many gallons it makes even when I go heavy with the mix, and I'm very pleased with the results.


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 1:33 PM

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Just to continue the topic ... I HOPE in the next 2 months (possibly more) to get past the backlogged paperwork.

Ugh, paperwork. I always feel like I've forgotten something, and usually I'm right...

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Once I clear that out I can work with good effort on the yard. Like you Signy, it's my favorite thing to do! Mostly it'll be cleanup and prep work. And I need to find a good fence installer, and someone who can trim and remove even larger trees, and has a chipper to mulch them.

One particular topic - in MY particular neighborhood, the coyotes seem to have disappeared. There was a pack northward over the top of the east-west ridge of the hill that I live on, and on the other side. The pack, as I've read, used to den near the top of the hill but range both down into the stables below that, and over the ridge into my neighborhood. They used to scout the neighborhood every day, and every few weeks I'd hear them yipping, barking, and howling on the hill.

The stable area has since been sold, razed, flattened, cleared out, and turned into a dense suburban development (as was the area east from the stables that were half-acre unkempt lots with small houses). So, I think that's the cause why, as time has gone on, over the years, I saw less and less of them ... and now I hear them not at all. Which I'm sorry for.

But other areas just a mile or 2 north and right at the base of the foothills seem to have had an explosion of coyote activity, including them scaling 6 foot block walls and attacking small dogs in backyards. (Either that or NextDoor has made it far, far easier for people to communicate what's been going on all the time.)

(As an aside, though these people live a mere 2 or 3 suburban BLOCKS, maximum, from completely open wildland and the foothills, they are up in arms over the coyotes and shocked- SHOCKED!, and OUTRAGED! I TELL YOU! that coyotes dare live in their area. And, despite the fact that literally every website I've looked at from across the country says that if you live in coyote-land you should never ever let a cat outdoors, and you should always accompany your small dog to the backyard with some kind of hazing device - like an airhorn - they're completely dumbfounded when they leave their little dogs in the backyard, or let their cats out, and something happens. What a bunch of noobs.
And a lot of them were all for carrying guns around until I pointed out to them - more than once, before it sank in with at least a few people - that most people are really bad shots, and if they missed the coyote for sure the bullet would hit something else - like maybe their neighbor's property, or their neighbor. And they'd be liable. Apparently it never occurred to them that they might miss. It's like they thought it happens like on TV - you point the gun in the general direction and the bullet knows the way.
So hopefully the human zombie pack has quieted down.)

We had that reaction here too, when coyotes first came into our long-settled neighborhood. But they seem to be hiding, or not so many, because there haven't been many coyote sightings on NextDoor lately. One guy in our neighborhood had the idea of shooting at them with paintball guns. I wonder if you can get them filled with water ... would be cleaner that way if you missed. Might break a car window or dent a car, tho.

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Anyway, it got me to thinking about coyote exclusion fencing and devices.

And to that end I watched as many "coyote jumping fence" videos as I could find, about 60 in all. And what I found was that, no matter how short and open the fence - even a post-and-rail - coyotes never 'clear' a fence like a horse does a jump. They jump more or less vertically, always put their front paws at or near the top, then boost themselves up to the top, no matter how briefly, before continuing down the other side.
I think it's an instinct to give themselves a last second to bail on the jump if they see something concerning.

And I noticed that while coyotes might try to squeeze between the bars of a wrought-iron-like fence, they never jump over them. Maybe it's because that landing-pad at the top they use is often on the wrong side of the fence, it's a really narrow square steel tube, and there's usually 'spears' sticking up above it. And predator-fences like in wildlife centers that use wrought-iron-like fences additionally use verticals that bend in at the top toward the coyote-side.

So, since I was going to use that type of fence anyway, to replace the gnarly and short chain link, I'm happy that I already made that choice.

Interesting. Too bad the original owners had settled on block walls... saw a coyote once, many years ago, clear our 5' wall with ease.

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whozit:
Now that the Dems are the party of big business their donors need that cheap labor.

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Big Tech and CEOs Poured Millions Into The Election. Here’s Who They Supported
By Sissi Cao and Jordan Zakarin • 11/02/20 12:52pm

... After years of cordial but largely distant relations between Washington, DC and the tech industry, controversial business tactics, accusations of bias, and activism during the Black Lives Matter movement have put giants of Silicon Valley have become front and center in American politics. That profits have soared while the rest of the American economy has struggled throughout the COVID-19 recession has only created more tension. It’s also allowed the big tech companies and their executives to spend a whole lot of money on Tuesday’s elections.

Below, we dive into the big donations from these companies, their employees and their CEOs, which have soared past $50 million this election cycle.
Alphabet

Total contribution: $21 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden, Democrat super PACs
Google’s parent company Alphabet is one of the largest corporate donors during the 2020 election cycle. The company’s employees and PACs have contributed a total of $21 million to presidential and congressional candidates since 2019. Nearly 80 percent of the funds went to Democrats, while just 7 percent went to Republicans. $3.66 million went to the Joe Biden campaign....


Microsoft
Total contribution: $17 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden, Democrat super PACs
Also a major donor in the 2020 election season, Microsoft’s PACs and employees shelled out a total $17 million to presidential and congressional candidates through individual and PAC donations. Three quarters of Microsoft’s funds went to Democrats, and 14 percent went to Republicans....

Amazon
Total contribution: $8.9 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden
The e-commerce giant contributed $8.9 million through individual and PAC donors to federal candidates. ...


Facebook
Total contribution: $6 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden
Employees and PACs affiliated with Facebook donated a total of $6 million during the 2020 election cycle. More than 92 percent of the funds came from individuals. Mirroring Google’s and Microsoft’s partisan splits, Facebook spent nearly 80 percent of the funds on Democrats ...

Apple
Total contribution: $5.7 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden
... About a quarter of the funds ($1.4 million) went to Joe Biden. Bernie Sanders and the DNC trail as the second and third largest beneficiaries, receiving $389,000 and $295,000 respectively.
CEO Tim Cook has not donated to any candidates this year, but did give $236,100 to help Hillary Clinton in 2016.


Netflix
Total contribution: $5.42 million
Top recipients: Democrat super PACs
... Co-CEO Reed Hastings has been a huge Democratic Party booster this cycle. In September, he donated $1 million to Senate Majority PAC, the party’s main US Senate fundraising vehicle, along with another $1 million in June. Hastings has also been very supportive of VoteVets, a PAC supporting military veterans running for office as Democrats, to the tune of $180,000 donated, and was a big backer of Democratic presidential candidates Pete Buttigieg and John Hickenlooper when they ran for the nomination last winter.


Twitter
Total contribution: $689,000
Top recipients: Joe Biden



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DNC AND RNC AWASH WITH CASH FROM CORPORATE DONORS

The big bucks sponsorship packages raise sticky questions for both parties as organizers go after major donors to raise money

Last modified on Tue 15 Dec 2020 09.34 EST

Next year’s national political conventions, where Donald Trump and the winner of the Democratic primaries will be enshrined as their parties’ candidates in the 2020 presidential election, will be awash with corporate cash from donors seeking access, their marketing plans reveal.

Organizers of both the Republican and Democratic National Conventions are going after major corporate donors appealing for huge lump sums as they scramble to raise the money needed to bankroll the made-for-television events.

Fundraising materials show that both parties are hoping to lure $1m donations from corporations and wealthy individuals in exchange for access and advertising opportunities.

The big bucks sponsorship packages raise potentially sticky questions for both parties... The scale of the parties’ ambitions is disclosed in marketing materials provided to the Guardian by Documented, a watchdog group that investigates how corporations manipulate public policy.

The host committee for the Republican National Convention pitches its offering in the most enticing language, having set itself a total target of $70m to pay for the bonanza. It promises that “for corporate donors, the sponsorship opportunities can be incredibly valuable”. It lists a range of inducements at the RNC which will showcase Trump’s re-election bid in Charlotte, North Carolina, between 24 and 27 August.

Not only will companies have the chance to project their brands in front of up to 50,000 participants at the convention, including 15,000 members of the global media, but they can also customise packages to their corporate needs “to ensure your convention experience is both enjoyable and beneficial”.

Top-tier sponsors, making a tax-deductible donation of $1m or more, will get VIP access at the convention as well as seats at an “exclusive campaign briefing with 2020 campaign leadership”.

The Democratic National Convention, where the party’s presidential candidate will be nominated, will be held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, from 13 to 16 July. Its host committee has also set itself a target of $70m, though that would be further supplemented by $20m from the Democratic National Convention Committee (DNCC).

Fundraising brochures put out by the host organisation Milwaukee 2020 similarly sets out a tiered approach with the top level lauded as “gold” donors contributing at least $1m each. For that largesse they are promised select advertising opportunities, VIP access and hospitality and tickets to host committee parties.

... That [SANDER'S "PEOPLE POWERED" CAMPAIGN MESSAGE] would appear to conflict with the message being handed out by DNCC officials who have been telling potential donors and lobbyists that their money would be welcomed no matter who the eventual nominee is. As Politico has reported, the DNCC’s chief executive, Joe Solmonese, has taken the view that the event needs to be funded well in advance, with the use of corporate dollars, no matter who is victorious in the Democratic primaries.

“We can’t know and try to, nor can I ever suggest that we ever try to, bend this towards any one candidate’s philosophy,” Solmonese told the news site.

Though the Democrats have a more progressive stance on big money in politics than the modern Republican party, they are by no means immune to the stresses and contradictions that come from welcoming large amounts of corporate cash into their coffers.

The Open Secrets database that tracks money in US politics calculated that almost three-quarters of the $70m raised for the Philadelphia Democratic National Convention that nominated Hillary Clinton in 2016 was raised from just 17 sources.

Among those mega-donors were Facebook, the telecoms company AT&T and health insurer Independence Blue Cross which all gave $1.5m each, and American Airlines and Bank of America donating $1m each. JB Pritzker, the current Democratic governor of Illinois whose fortune comes from the Pritzker family’s ownership of the Hyatt hotel chain, gave a personal donation of $1.3m



MORE AT https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/23/revealed-rnc-dnc-corpo
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Sunday, January 17, 2021 1:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


^ Gross.

Go talk about how great you are more in your Sister virtue signalling thread, Ted.


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 1:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well the doors will take quite a while to prep. If I could just use a finish sander on straight boards and call it a day, it would go twice as fast, but really got to get those sanding sponges deep in all the groves and around the decorative edges. And it seems that whoever stained everything did it when the doors were hung. Hard to explain it in words, but if you saw what I was talking about you'd know what I meant. I have to spend quite a bit of extra time in those areas. I'm not sanding these things to the point where they're bare since I'm not staining them, but I can't have decades old gunk under what I'm going to paint, even with good primer.

Haven't quite gotten to the point where I trust the jig yet, but there's really no reason not to after doing it 6 times. All the holes are perfect so far on 3 doors, and it seems to be very easily repeatable with this tool and I shouldn't have any problems.


And I wish I'd known it before, but the finish sander my step-dad gave me years ago allows you to clamp sheets down to it. I thought it was only made for sticky sheets (the far more expensive option). I've built up quite a collection of them when they were on sale or clearance, but even then it's usually around $2 for 5 sheets. I'm not even using them right now. I can pick up a pack of 40 non-stick pieces that fit perfectly into the unit for a buck at the dollar store, and they're not all that hard to put in, and way easier to get off.

Dollar store sandpaper and sanding sponges are great.






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Sunday, January 17, 2021 2:22 PM

BRENDA


Just another lazy Sunday by me.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 4:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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but really got to get those sanding sponges deep in all the groves and around the decorative edges.
Have I mentioned that I really dislike interior corners and edges?

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 4:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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but really got to get those sanding sponges deep in all the groves and around the decorative edges.
Have I mentioned that I really dislike interior corners and edges?



Yup.

And I'm quickly beginning to agree with your distaste for patina too.




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Sunday, January 17, 2021 5:25 PM

BRENDA


Can't get my mah jong game to come up on this thing.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 5:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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Can't get my mah jong game to come up on this thing.

Dang nabbit!

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I don't want to even know what was on the freakin' breadboard-thing-slide-out-shelf on one of the bottom cabinets under several layers of sandpaper. I scraped a bunch of it off, but I've burned through two piece of sandpaper quickly becuase it just gums up and then the pad gets hot enough from friction that it plasters the boogers back on to the board and they're a bitch to scrape off after that happens.

Used some de-greaser cleaner and it looks a lot cleaner, but apparently this cleaner does nothing for the sticky crap from this ancient contact paper, because now I can plant my hand down on this somewhat heavy shelf and pull it up in the air with an open palm.

Long story short... Does TSP work to remove adhesive?


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Not that I know of.

Gums and resins, natural or synthetic, are a whole 'nother thing from fats and oils (greasy gunk). IIRC, Signy mentioned that Krud Kutter works on adhesives, but I forget the details and have never tried it myself.

OTOH if you're going to try to use it as a cutting board, I'd suggest a less toxic method and try scraping it off using a really sharp paint scraper or putty remover followed by a coarse stainless steel wool
mineral oil scrub ... and maybe sanding after that. But if you don't have mineral oil, coconut oil, olive oil, Crisco, and culinary oil should work (in that order).

(BTW - mineral oil is recommended for cutting boards, butcher block counters etc because a lot of culinary oils have many double bonds. Double bonds are bonds where the atom COULD react with something else, under the right conditions. So, double bonds are attachments waiting to form.
Over time the double bonds in an oil molecule react with other double bonds in other molecules, and the oil molecules start attaching to each other (cross-linking). They create a gummy non-dissolvable residue out of what used to be a liquid.
I've used olive oil in the past nicely I didn't have mineral oil and hand, because olive oils doesn't have as many double bonds. But coconut oil should work even better, because it has hardly any double bonds at all.)


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I think it was a mixture of black mold, grease, adhesive and wood stain down there that's been fermenting under 3 layers of contact paper for decades.

After a half hour of de-greasing, sanding and scraping, at least it looks clean, but I know if I put on a fresh piece of sandpaper it will be full of that gum in about 3 seconds again.

I have to have something in my collection for it if TSP won't do the trick. Not looking to spend money on a bottle of something I won't use for other things. I have an insane amount of cleaning products that took up every square inch under the kitchen sink and is now parked in my coat closet until the work is done.

If I really have to buy something else, I'm hoping that I can pick it up at the dollar store.

I'll do some digging tonight. I want to go back there anyhow tomorrow to buy a few more of those packs of sandpaper for the palm sander, and a few good containers for the paper, the jig and a few other odds and ends like screws and hardware.



Might be done for the day. Got 4 doors ready for primer and hinges, and whatever we're calling the progress on that breadboard.

There's still 11 more doors to do, 2 small drawers, 6 discs for the lazy susan and about 9 more shelves to go through. At least the rest of the shelves don't look bad like this one does, but I'm sure the contact paper residue is going to be an issue on all of them, as well as the bottom of all of the cabinets that had the REALLY old stuff on it. I need to get my head in the game on this. I wasted quite a bit of time today and could have easily gotten twice that done.


But have I ever mentioned before how much I hate sanding and prep-work in general before?




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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Yes you have!

You've also mentioned that you have a 'thing' for getting all the steps and details right. So I know it'll be good in the end.

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Try scraping it off using a really sharp paint scraper or putty remover followed by a coarse stainless steel wool
mineral oil scrub ... and maybe sanding after that.

If you don't have a SS scrubber, coarse salt might work (but protect your hands from getting rubbed-off by using a stiff brush).

And if you don't have mineral oil, coconut oil, olive oil, Crisco, and culinary oil should work (in that order).



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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Oh yeah... duh. I have mineral spirits and paint thinner out in the garage. One of those should probably do the trick since you can get the sticky crap off of jugs when you pull the stickers off.


Good idea.


Yeah... I'm really excited about how it's all going to turn out and I can visualize it all in my head now. There's just so much work to be done right now that it's going to be a long time before I see that vision in real life.

But you got to do it right or it all peels off in a year and looks like crap.




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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:31 PM

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I'm wondering why you're having so many issues with weeds, especially with a flamethrower at your disposal.

I'd let my weed situation get seriously out of hand over the years, but after two years of regular spraying I've got them under control with only about 3 treatments during the warm months necessary now.

I can't remember... did you try that concentrate that I told you about a while back? Stuff is super cheap for how many gallons it makes even when I go heavy with the mix, and I'm very pleased with the results.


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Well, there are few factors at work.

Most of the lot is garden, not lawn. In an approx 10,000 sqft lot, the lawn area is maybe 25'X15'. That's a lot of bare dirt for weeds to grow in. Whoever said that a native garden is less work ... LIED. Less water? ABSOLUTELY! No fertilizer? YOU BET! Less pesticide? Sure thing! But less work??? NOT. I'm trying to get the front yard to be something worth maintaining, but if I can't, it's going back to lawn which will just be "mow, blow, and go".

It will be better once I level the yard and mulch it. They say mulch discourages weeds. I guess I'll find out, but I haven't got to that point yet.

It was 92F yesterday! Weeds here grow 365. If you're not keeping up, you're falling behind. There's no vacation from yardwork! It didn't help that I didn't do much last summer, and then had a series of family things to attend to and health problems that kept me from doing more once the weather cooled down ... which took a long a time.

The lot across the street was vacant for about 15 years, and weeds seeds blew here, there and elsewhere.









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Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:10 PM

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Can't get my mah jong game to come up on this thing.

Dang nabbit!



Exactly. Usually play a few rounds on Sunday. Good time passer.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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I'm wondering why you're having so many issues with weeds, especially with a flamethrower at your disposal.

I'd let my weed situation get seriously out of hand over the years, but after two years of regular spraying I've got them under control with only about 3 treatments during the warm months necessary now.

I can't remember... did you try that concentrate that I told you about a while back? Stuff is super cheap for how many gallons it makes even when I go heavy with the mix, and I'm very pleased with the results.


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Well, there are few factors at work.

Most of the lot is garden, not lawn. In an approx 10,000 sqft lot, the lawn area is maybe 25'X15'. That's a lot of bare dirt for weeds to grow in. Whoever said that a native garden is less work ... LIED. Less water? ABSOLUTELY! No fertilizer? YOU BET! Less pesticide? Sure thing! But less work??? NOT. I'm trying to get the front yard to be something worth maintaining, but if I can't, it's going back to lawn which will just be "mow, blow, and go".

It will be better once I level the yard and mulch it. They say mulch discourages weeds. I guess I'll find out, but I haven't got to that point yet.

It was 92F yesterday! Weeds here grow 365. If you're not keeping up, you're falling behind. There's no vacation from yardwork! It didn't help that I didn't do much last summer, and then had a series of family things to attend to and health problems that kept me from doing more once the weather cooled down ... which took a long a time.

The lot across the street was vacant for about 15 years, and weeds seeds blew here, there and elsewhere.









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Weeds don't grow 365 around these parts. Pretty much everything is dead here now except for the evergreen trees.

Wow... That's a lot of garden. You have a fairly decent sized lot even if it was all grass. Mine is abnormally big, even for this area. Most lots around here are only 7,000 sq ft, and back where I used to live they were only around 5k.



Yeah. I guess you can't just go crazy with the weed killer like I do. I don't worry about the weeds in the grass outside of he fertilizer and around the trees, the only things I care about in the landscaping are the hastas, and outside of that the only weeds I've got to deal with are on the driveway and the curbs. After doing the driveway, that took about half of my weed job away.


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Monday, January 18, 2021 4:35 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Hey Signy, I've forgotten. Have you ever tried out agricultural acetic acid for a quick weed-kill knock-down?


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Monday, January 18, 2021 6:41 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Oh, JACK, I just wanted to point out that mineral oil isn't the same as mineral spirits.

https://www.h2ouse.org/mineral-spirits-vs-mineral-oil/

Mineral oil CAN be food-grade and be used to treat cutting boards, butcher blocks, wooden bowls and spoons etc. But mineral spirits are always toxic and you shouldn't use them for anything that you intend to use for food. Also, when working with mineral spirits, use them in a well-ventilated place since they can cause dizziness, contusion and so on down the line to death.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 9:03 AM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Hey Signy, I've forgotten. Have you ever tried out agricultural acetic acid for a quick weed-kill knock-down?


Too smelly for the neighborhood, I think. But if it burns grass roots and deep-rooted weeds like sow thistle, it might be worth a try.

Generally speaking, I torch and dig first. Digging is a PITA but torching won't work for large, established weeds (grasses, dandelion, sow thistle, cheeseweed, western ragweed). The weed torch is quick, but I have to keep re-burning anything with a decent root system. Whatever doesn't succumb to digging and burning gets sprayed, and while the spray isn't quick, it's permanent. By using other methods I limit using weed killer, but it's nice to have it in my arsenal as the last step. Usually, I spot-spray three times a year.

Also, the permanent plants are suffering from benign neglect. The hollyleaf cherries are suffering from a pest/disease/deficiency that I haven't figured out, but looking at commercial cherry tree pictures it could be two-spotted spider mite and cherry leaf spot (fungus). The oak also looks like it might be suffering from some sort of leaf fungus, and the ceanothus is about 1/4 dead from the roots up. Not sure why, but possibly too much summer water/root rot? They're fussy and short-lived so not sure what's going on with that one. Meanwhile, the bird-of-paradise (planted by the previous owner) has taken over the front window area (I just cut 1/3 of it out), the fern by the kitchen window (which gets condensate from the AC) has taken over that spot, and there's something lving in there so I need to dig out most of it.

I DID corrective-prune the climbing roses, after bracing them to the wall with brackets holding horizontal postsm but am still trying to dig out the heavenly bamboo, which I hate with a passion. I'm also corrective-pruning the feijoa and we've removed about half of the deadwood, which has already opened up the shrub considerably. And the big avocado tree needs some serious trimming; for a tree that (they say) is past its produtive life it sure is growing really tall. And the neighbor has requested that Itrim back the camellias on the north side to let the breezes thru.

So there is lots and lots of maintenance to do, not just with weeds. Most of the pruning, tho, won't need to be repeated for a few years.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 10:23 AM

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Oh, JACK, I just wanted to point out that mineral oil isn't the same as mineral spirits.

https://www.h2ouse.org/mineral-spirits-vs-mineral-oil/

Mineral oil CAN be food-grade and be used to treat cutting boards, butcher blocks, wooden bowls and spoons etc. But mineral spirits are always toxic and you shouldn't use them for anything that you intend to use for food. Also, when working with mineral spirits, use them in a well-ventilated place since they can cause dizziness, contusion and so on down the line to death.



Appreciate the info.

It's not really a bread board, and I can't see why anybody would use it for food. That's just the word I'm using for it since it's what it looks like out of the cabinet.

Before additions were made to the original cabinets, the lower cabinets were only on the front wall of the kitchen. There would have been two on either side of the sink, with two drawers on top of them. But then they were boxed in on one side by the dish washer, and the other side by a small cabinet addition and space for the fridge.

The reason I know this had to be the case is because when you crawl into either of the two DEEP cabinets next to the sink, you can look back to the front where the dishswasher and the added cabinets are and see that there used to be holes for the old doors that were removed.

The shelves in the middle of all 4 of these cabinets were made to be pulled out, with a little valley for your fingers on the bottoms. Just a simple system of wooden boards in wooden tracks.

I knew that the two shelves that were accessible had this ability at one point but everything had been "welded" in place by layers of contact paper. It wasn't until I pulled all that paper off that I discovered that the shelves behind them also had that ability.

Nobody will be cutting anything on these pieces, and I can't imagine that anybody would ever want to be storing any food on shelves that low to the ground. I've only ever used them for things like paper towels and to store plastic grocery bags until I use them for trash in the bathroom or laundry room. (Well... that and there used to be a TON of crap in them too before the de-hoarding processes).

I'm just going to be getting all the crap off of all of this to sand them down before painting them with the rest of the cabinets. All of the shelves will have contact paper on top of them too. Good, modern 3M stuff and not whatever the hell it was I spent 8 hours pulling off of everything last week.




Oh... and it still baffles the mind why they would have removed the drawers over the cabinets that are still accessible... Maybe they were broken, and rather than put the effort into fixing them or making new ones they very sloppily put fake plates on top. It's the reason I restored that curio cabinet in the first place to bring into the kitchen so I could finally have a drawer large enough to put a proper flatware candy instead of just having all of it thrown into a tiny drawer.

There's a lot of potential with this old stuff. It's just going to take a lot of work if I want to make it all look uniform and new.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 1:32 PM

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Had a nice long chat with some friends in Edmonton yesterday evening. They are doing okay which I was glad to hear.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 1:33 PM

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Out for a walk on a bright, sunny day. So nice to see the sun for a bit.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 1:46 PM

1KIKI

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Hey Signy, I've forgotten. Have you ever tried out agricultural acetic acid for a quick weed-kill knock-down?


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Too smelly for the neighborhood, I think. But if it burns grass roots and deep-rooted weeds like sow thistle, it might be worth a try.

Generally speaking, I torch and dig first. Digging is a PITA but torching won't work for large, established weeds (grasses, dandelion, sow thistle, cheeseweed, western ragweed). The weed torch is quick, but I have to keep re-burning anything with a decent root system. Whatever doesn't succumb to digging and burning gets sprayed, and while the spray isn't quick, it's permanent. By using other methods I limit using weed killer, but it's nice to have it in my arsenal as the last step. Usually, I spot-spray three times a year.

Also, the permanent plants are suffering from benign neglect. The hollyleaf cherries are suffering from a pest/disease/deficiency that I haven't figured out, but looking at commercial cherry tree pictures it could be two-spotted spider mite and cherry leaf spot (fungus). The oak also looks like it might be suffering from some sort of leaf fungus, and the ceanothus is about 1/4 dead from the roots up. Not sure why, but possibly too much summer water/root rot? They're fussy and short-lived so not sure what's going on with that one. Meanwhile, the bird-of-paradise (planted by the previous owner) has taken over the front window area (I just cut 1/3 of it out), the fern by the kitchen window (which gets condensate from the AC) has taken over that spot, and there's something lving in there so I need to dig out most of it.

I DID corrective-prune the climbing roses, after bracing them to the wall with brackets holding horizontal postsm but am still trying to dig out the heavenly bamboo, which I hate with a passion. I'm also corrective-pruning the feijoa and we've removed about half of the deadwood, which has already opened up the shrub considerably. And the big avocado tree needs some serious trimming; for a tree that (they say) is past its produtive life it sure is growing really tall. And the neighbor has requested that Itrim back the camellias on the north side to let the breezes thru.

So there is lots and lots of maintenance to do, not just with weeds. Most of the pruning, tho, won't need to be repeated for a few years.

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No, acetic acid really only works on soft, new, non-tap-rooted plants. It kills the leaves but if there's any energy left stored in the roots, the weeds will sprout back up - as I've read. I was just wondering because I think once would have to have an all-plastic (no metal) sprayer to handle the concentrations called for.
I can't use flame because I have so many fallen oak leaves I want to keep in place - and I don't want to set the 'hood on fire!
One of my crape myrtles has developed what I'm pretty sure is a fungal disease over the last few years, and I think some of my hollyleaf cherries also have done that.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 5:52 PM

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Anybody here have any experiences dealing with auction houses and/or trying to sell things that are legit worth a few bucks?

In deciding that I'm going to let go of nearly all of my basically worthless wall hangings except for the prints my brother made, I've also decided I want to get rid of some artwork that I'd acquired over the years. Some paintings of Notre Dame that I'd mentioned here before as well as some Civil War prints, a few pieces of smaller antique furniture and other odds and ends. I've got some of these paintings just wrapped up in a few large black contractor trash bags now to protect them from any mishaps, but they should be hanging in somebody's house and be appreciated.

I've decided I am still hanging on to too much stuff and outside of my tools, tech and enough furniture to just reasonably fill up one room in my house I want the rest out since my next home will be much smaller than this one is and there's just no reason for all of it.

But if I'm going to get rid of any more, I'm at the point where I'm seriously throwing money away if I put it on the curb or take it to goodwill. One of the two Notre Dame paintings have what look to be a 70's era price tag from Marshal Fields with a $1,470 price tag.

Thanks.


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Monday, January 18, 2021 6:50 PM

1KIKI

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Sorry, JACK. I have literally no first- or even second- or third- or TV-hand experience at all. And I have an actual mild dislike of the topic, so I've actively avoided it.


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Monday, January 18, 2021 8:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Who doesn't like watching Antiques Roadshow???

You know you pique one's curiosity by making such statements...



I won't try to pry anything out of you if it's too sensitive a topic for you to discuss.


I actually could have learned a thing or two back during the days where some of this stuff had been acquired by more immediate family who then gave it to me when they had nowhere to put it and didn't want to deal with the hassle themselves.

But I'm not fond of being around vultures picking at remains. Especially when those vultures were blood.


But I do think that now might be a great time to unload it properly. A bunch of unhung paintings and civil war prints I care nothing for could end up buying me a brand new furnace to put on the house listing when I put it on the market. They're worth nothing to me in trash bags hidden in a closet.


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Monday, January 18, 2021 8:12 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody here have any experiences dealing with auction houses and/or trying to sell things that are legit worth a few bucks?

In deciding that I'm going to let go of nearly all of my basically worthless wall hangings except for the prints my brother made, I've also decided I want to get rid of some artwork that I'd acquired over the years. Some paintings of Notre Dame that I'd mentioned here before as well as some Civil War prints, a few pieces of smaller antique furniture and other odds and ends. I've got some of these paintings just wrapped up in a few large black contractor trash bags now to protect them from any mishaps, but they should be hanging in somebody's house and be appreciated.

I've decided I am still hanging on to too much stuff and outside of my tools, tech and enough furniture to just reasonably fill up one room in my house I want the rest out since my next home will be much smaller than this one is and there's just no reason for all of it.

But if I'm going to get rid of any more, I'm at the point where I'm seriously throwing money away if I put it on the curb or take it to goodwill. One of the two Notre Dame paintings have what look to be a 70's era price tag from Marshal Fields with a $1,470 price tag.

Thanks.


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I'ver heard of Offerup and Craig's List. Supposedly Offerup is geared towards local sales, but that's all I know.

You might have better luck looking for a website that specializes in artwork, for example, or antiques. We have a turntable that someone would pay a pretty penny for on audiophile websites, but most people would have no idea of its worth.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 8:18 PM

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The problem with local stuff is that it's local and your audience is extremely limited, and compound that with the audience looking for extreme bargains.

Ebay is probably where I'd put it if I were going to go online.



I recently saw a few episodes of a British TV show where they emptied out people's storage lockers (kind of like Hoarders, but usually much more wealthy people with stuff that is actually worth money in the lockers). By the end of the show they tally up how much was made at the auctions and add a year of their storage fees to show how much they "made" by clearing out the lockers. The auction houses took a commission of course, but it seemed quite reasonable.

Most of this stuff would really be worthy of a proper auction that rich people show up to, and it was hung in a mansion at one point. It's just clutter to me.

I dunno. I hate going to Downtown Chicago for any reason whatsoever, but this might ultimately be the thing that drags me back there one last time.


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Monday, January 18, 2021 9:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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Who doesn't like watching Antiques Roadshow???

You know you pique one's curiosity by making such statements...


And that's exactly the show I stumble onto most often, and actively avoid. Maybe it's just me but ... I (think I) see such anticipatory greed in people (he bought if for a penny when he was an ambassador to the Emperor in China and our family lived in a palace and had servants!), such a naked need for importance (our family goes back to 1776!), such a hunger for validation (I knew the artist was going to be important!), I feel embarrassed for them, watching them both salivate and fear in anticipation, and be so disappointed at the results. They're so desperate to be attached to something '$$pecial'. It's like watching someone's most private humiliating moment. It makes me cringe. But I guess that's just me.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 11:37 PM

BRENDA


There was a report on the local news of Sasquatch prints being found around Silverton. A team that actual investigates this type of thing was sent. Turned out the track was made by a moose.

The news guy was trying not to laugh and I sat trying to remember when was the last time I had heard of a Sasquatch sitting or tracks being found in the province. Think I was a kid the last time that happened.

Still it was good for a laugh and a smile on a Monday evening.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 11:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Who doesn't like watching Antiques Roadshow???

You know you pique one's curiosity by making such statements...


And that's exactly the show I stumble onto most often, and actively avoid. Maybe it's just me but ... I (think I) see such anticipatory greed in people (he bought if for a penny when he was an ambassador to the Emperor in China and our family lived in a palace and had servants!), such a naked need for importance (our family goes back to 1776!), such a hunger for validation (I knew the artist was going to be important!), I feel embarrassed for them, watching them both salivate and fear in anticipation, and be so disappointed at the results. They're so desperate to be attached to something '$$pecial'. It's like watching someone's most private humiliating moment. It makes me cringe. But I guess that's just me.





It's on a lot still? I didn't even know that. I used to catch a few bits from time to time back when I lived at my grandma's half a lifetime ago. Never looked at it that way back then, but I was in my early 20's. You're probably not wrong.

I've got no attachment to any of this stuff. It mostly belonged to people I'd only ever met a few times when I was a little kid, and eventually went through a couple of hands after this or that person died or moved and made their way to me. I know none of these things are priceless, but they would net me a decent buck if I go about the right way parting with them.



You seem to get a similar emotional response to antiques roadshow that I got if I'd catch an episode of Pawn Stars. I literally hated that bald dude, and I'd say "fuck yeah!" when they'd tell that shady bitch to keep his low ball money.



I've been watching Hoarders again right now.

It's funny how that show affects you differently when you're not sitting on a hoard.

But it does make me think about the 20 or so boxes of stuff that I did put in the attic that I simply couldn't live without back when I thought I had to do a fire sale on the house. Aside from about 6 boxes of electronics that I simply won't part with, I couldn't even tell you what was in the other 70% of the boxes.

Maybe one of these days that I just can't bring myself to the drudgery of prep work, it might be time to go back up there and see what else I can part with now. That might end up in a big Goodwill delivery, because anything that's still up there is at least of that quality, and most people I know don't need more shit in their houses even if it's good shit.



Got my four doors from yesterday primed on one side. It occurred to me that I don't really have any ideal way of priming and painting the doors and shelves with no ability to use the garage for painting in the freezing temps. I'm only going to be able to do one side of about 6 pieces at any given time, and the turnaround for the actual paint coats is going to be much longer since you want to let one side cure quite a bit before painting the other side.

I'd better put the painting into the rotation of work.


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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:23 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by Brenda:
There was a report on the local news of Sasquatch prints being found around Silverton. A team that actual investigates this type of thing was sent. Turned out the track was made by a moose.

The news guy was trying not to laugh and I sat trying to remember when was the last time I had heard of a Sasquatch sitting or tracks being found in the province. Think I was a kid the last time that happened.

Still it was good for a laugh and a smile on a Monday evening.

All that woo-woo stuff is hot right now in the US. Ghosts, shadow-people, evil possessions, interdimensional beings, UFO's, interdimensional UFO's, poltergeists, the Moth Man and so on. (I watch/ listen to that stuff when I don't want to think about anything, because all I do is laugh to myself.)

The ONE thing I've changed my mind about as POSSIBLY being based in reality is the Sasquatch/ yeti/ skunk ape ... because there's just enough plausibility that there's an undiscovered branch of the hominid tree.

It wasn't too long ago when people snickeringly dismissed the stories of a small, child-stealing, people-eating, evil munchkin-human-creature living in the jungles of Indonesia. Then their bones were discovered and a new human-like species called Homo floresiensis was acknowledged. They were thought to have died out 40,000 years ago, but maybe a few survived in a few places till recently enough - the last several thousand years - to leave their mark in human folklore.


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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:26 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Yeah JACK, I'd be interested to hear your before-and-after take on Hoarders, if you'd care to share.


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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:20 AM

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Yeah JACK, I'd be interested to hear your before-and-after take on Hoarders, if you'd care to share.




Well the first thing to say about it is that after going through a hoard that wasn't nearly as bad as even the lightest they've ever had on the show, you do get a real understanding of how those people got to where they were. Even if you're not hoarding literal trash that you should be taking out to the curb like some of them do, mice can get in and will wreak havoc on the place anywhere you allow them dark areas to hide in.

I may not have had droppings all over the center of floors, or had things piled up so much that there were only narrow walkways to go through, but quite a lot of stuff around the walls was ruined and had to be thrown away.

And getting rid of them and making sure they stay gone is actually a very easy thing to do, assuming that you haven't allowed your house to get to the point where walls and window/doorframes have rotted to the point of letting large amounts of air in. Just put out some traps, and make sure any easy access points were fixed up. Problem solved.

It should be simple, but when you're either letting days just pass you by while sitting in abject despair or burying yourself in things to keep your mind off that despair, things that most ordinary folk would just consider easy to do and common sense decisions get thrown right out the window.

I can't even blame a lot of it on the alcohol. I'd mentioned I'd buried myself deep into a project I gave up years ago in an effort to take away that initial desire to just give up and go back to drinking. Two more years of my life were devoted to that project that allowed me to sit on my couch and work on my computer, safe in my little cocoon. The mice bothered me... a lot... but I still wasn't doing anything about them. Aside from the occasional dropping on the countertop if I had left something they liked up there, I just didn't see the damage they were causing.



I had a few big life-changing catalysts happen all at once, and realized that I needed to do something immediately. Hadn't been drinking for well over 2 years at that point, but the problems were still compounding on each other. I still wouldn't have anybody over to my house, and I rarely ventured out except for work and mandatory purchases.

I'd just happened to be binge watching some hoarders at the time and it made me realize that I was just like those people. I might not have had 25 cats, or had to climb over 3 feet of "stuff" to get from room to room, but all the signs were there. My finished attic was stuffed to the gills with crap I never looked at. My 2 1/2 car garage was full of projects I'd never get to and I could barely get out of my car when I parked it. Every square inch around every wall in every room had really nice furniture, many of it restored antiques that other family members didn't have room for, and then came the piles of stuff I'd acquired over the years to fill in the cracks between and every square foot of the floors of every closet and most of the basement. Work I'd always meant to do when I bought the house as a fixer-upper never got done and it would be impossible to do any of it with all of this junk in the way. If I kept doing what I was doing, I have no doubt I would have been a worthy contestant on their show in 20 years if it was still on the air.


So, something in me just changed then. And slowly but surely I got rid of it and went back to work on the house. I went from being the eyesore on the block to having neighbors and even strangers compliment me on how nice it looks from outside. It hardly happened overnight, and it was a ton of work. Tons of work still needs to be done. But at least I've found my momentum now. Some days are great, others not so productive, but I always get myself back on track and do what needs to be done.




So now, watching Hoarders is a completely different experience to me than it was before. [Outside of still thinking about how more can be disposed of from my attic] I'm not making it about me this time around. I'm watching these people and deeply empathizing with them. Rooting for a good outcome for them. It really feels good when there is a happy ending for them now, especially when some of those situations they're in are so utterly disgusting and you just know that those people were completely helpless and could never have dug themselves out of it without this type of intervention.

You never know what happens to most of them after the cameras stop rolling, and you never really can tell what people are like from filmed footage, but it seems that some of these families really care about each other and all it took was a real appreciation and understanding of the mindset of the sick person living in that hoard had to deal with every day. But that could only happen when the sick person knew that now or never was the time to make a change and they were willing to stop hiding and let the people they cared most about see the awful secret they've been hiding all this time.

The therapists on the show really seem to be able to get people who have never communicated anything to each other before to finally open up and let it all out after being confronted with the unfathomable. I think it's really cool too how over the years the organizers and trash removal people can talk with them just like the therapists, and the therapists know almost as much about organization and trash removal as those professionals do. They've all learned a lot from each other too.


I've got a ton of appreciation for Hoarders. I'm kind of a super-fan, if you will. They played a part in me turning stuff around, and they came at just the right time.


In a strange way though, I almost feel as if I've robbed myself of that opportunity to maybe help my own family heal by being hit with whatever my hoarding situation would have been like a decade or two from now. But the chances I would have ever made that show have to be near zero, and living like a pig for a few more decades on the off chance you'd make the cut on a show that might not even be on the air anymore AND that you'd be one of the happy endings seems like a terrible idea with very little ROI.


I still don't know exactly what my real problems are. And it's not as if I'm not still without my addictions. But hoarding, just like alcohol, wasn't something that I NEEDED to do. They're just symptoms. Things that were just easier to do than not to do, really. Now that I'm at this point of 4 years sober and going on 2 years of clutter free, I find it very easy to not fall back into either of those patterns. And it's certainly not as though I've been without happenings that would have triggered that behavior before.

And until I was able to do a bit of reorganizing after removing all the stuff from the kitchen shelves for this project, the relatively small amount of clutter it caused for a few days was driving me nuts.



Anyway... Thanks Hoarders crew. I know you're doing it for the money, but at this point you've got to be aware of the service you're providing as well.





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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:20 PM

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1KIKI: Yeah JACK, I'd be interested to hear your before-and-after take on Hoarders, if you'd care to share.

SIX: Well the first thing to say about it is that after going through a hoard that wasn't nearly as bad as even the lightest they've ever had on the show, you do get a real understanding of how those people got to where they were. Even if you're not hoarding literal trash that you should be taking out to the curb like some of them do, mice can get in and will wreak havoc on the place anywhere you allow them dark areas to hide in.

Also, black and brown widows and violin spiders, both poisonous.

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I may not have had droppings all over the center of floors, or had things piled up so much that there were only narrow walkways to go through, but quite a lot of stuff around the walls was ruined and had to be thrown away.

And getting rid of them and making sure they stay gone is actually a very easy thing to do, assuming that you haven't allowed your house to get to the point where walls and window/doorframes have rotted to the point of letting large amounts of air in. Just put out some traps, and make sure any easy access points were fixed up. Problem solved.

It should be simple, but when you're either letting days just pass you by while sitting in abject despair or burying yourself in things to keep your mind off that despair, things that most ordinary folk would just consider easy to do and common sense decisions get thrown right out the window.

True, that. Apparently hoarding often starts with some sort of traumatic event, a loss, and may reflect a desire to control the environment.

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I can't even blame a lot of it on the alcohol. I'd mentioned I'd buried myself deep into a project I gave up years ago in an effort to take away that initial desire to just give up and go back to drinking. Two more years of my life were devoted to that project that allowed me to sit on my couch and work on my computer, safe in my little cocoon. The mice bothered me... a lot... but I still wasn't doing anything about them. Aside from the occasional dropping on the countertop if I had left something they liked up there, I just didn't see the damage they were causing.
But don't be too hard on yourself. That first project sounds like a necessary first step, as well.

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I had a few big life-changing catalysts happen all at once, and realized that I needed to do something immediately. Hadn't been drinking for well over 2 years at that point, but the problems were still compounding on each other. I still wouldn't have anybody over to my house, and I rarely ventured out except for work and mandatory purchases.

I'd just happened to be binge watching some hoarders at the time and it made me realize that I was just like those people. I might not have had 25 cats, or had to climb over 3 feet of "stuff" to get from room to room, but all the signs were there. My finished attic was stuffed to the gills with crap I never looked at. My 2 1/2 car garage was full of projects I'd never get to and I could barely get out of my car when I parked it. Every square inch around every wall in every room had really nice furniture, many of it restored antiques that other family members didn't have room for, and then came the piles of stuff I'd acquired over the years to fill in the cracks between and every square foot of the floors of every closet and most of the basement. Work I'd always meant to do when I bought the house as a fixer-upper never got done and it would be impossible to do any of it with all of this junk in the way. If I kept doing what I was doing, I have no doubt I would have been a worthy contestant on their show in 20 years if it was still on the air.


So, something in me just changed then. And slowly but surely I got rid of it and went back to work on the house. I went from being the eyesore on the block to having neighbors and even strangers compliment me on how nice it looks from outside. It hardly happened overnight, and it was a ton of work. Tons of work still needs to be done. But at least I've found my momentum now. Some days are great, others not so productive, but I always get myself back on track and do what needs to be done.

Give me goosebumps to read that!

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So now, watching Hoarders is a completely different experience to me than it was before. [Outside of still thinking about how more can be disposed of from my attic] I'm not making it about me this time around. I'm watching these people and deeply empathizing with them. Rooting for a good outcome for them. It really feels good when there is a happy ending for them now, especially when some of those situations they're in are so utterly disgusting and you just know that those people were completely helpless and could never have dug themselves out of it without this type of intervention.

You never know what happens to most of them after the cameras stop rolling, and you never really can tell what people are like from filmed footage, but it seems that some of these families really care about each other and all it took was a real appreciation and understanding of the mindset of the sick person living in that hoard had to deal with every day. But that could only happen when the sick person knew that now or never was the time to make a change and they were willing to stop hiding and let the people they cared most about see the awful secret they've been hiding all this time.

The therapists on the show really seem to be able to get people who have never communicated anything to each other before to finally open up and let it all out after being confronted with the unfathomable. I think it's really cool too how over the years the organizers and trash removal people can talk with them just like the therapists, and the therapists know almost as much about organization and trash removal as those professionals do. They've all learned a lot from each other too.


I've got a ton of appreciation for Hoarders. I'm kind of a super-fan, if you will. They played a part in me turning stuff around, and they came at just the right time.


In a strange way though, I almost feel as if I've robbed myself of that opportunity to maybe help my own family heal by being hit with whatever my hoarding situation would have been like a decade or two from now. But the chances I would have ever made that show have to be near zero, and living like a pig for a few more decades on the off chance you'd make the cut on a show that might not even be on the air anymore AND that you'd be one of the happy endings seems like a terrible idea with very little ROI.


I still don't know exactly what my real problems are. And it's not as if I'm not still without my addictions. But hoarding, just like alcohol, wasn't something that I NEEDED to do. They're just symptoms. Things that were just easier to do than not to do, really. Now that I'm at this point of 4 years sober and going on 2 years of clutter free, I find it very easy to not fall back into either of those patterns. And it's certainly not as though I've been without happenings that would have triggered that behavior before.

And until I was able to do a bit of reorganizing after removing all the stuff from the kitchen shelves for this project, the relatively small amount of clutter it caused for a few days was driving me nuts.



Anyway... Thanks Hoarders crew. I know you're doing it for the money, but at this point you've got to be aware of the service you're providing as well.





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SIX, FWIW you've done a terrific job not just fixing up up your house, but fixing up yourself as much as possible.

The one thing I can say for sure about hoarding is that it is NOT OCD because I've read studies that the medication for OCD does not work on hoarders; there's a different brain chemistry involved. Since I used to watch Hoarders too, it looks to me like an attempt to stabilize... something... For sure dopamine is involved because it's dopamine that causes people to repeat a learned action; dopamine is the "reward" chemicl responsible for that jolt when we've learned something that is intrinsically rewarding, like how to walk, or a new math concept. Sounds like you're finding your rewards in more beneficial ways.

You've been something of an inspiration for me. I realize that I can't work at the pace that you do, given age and infirmity (It's hard to believe that the half-year nightmare of aches and pains was all due to chronic sinus infection!) but knowing that I CAN make progress and tackle things I might not know how, learning as I go, keeps me motivated. As long as the pain allows, I'll keep moving forward too.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:29 PM

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So speaking of progress... Yesterday was "errand day" and since I had to head off a little ways from home to track down a pharmacy that has dd's medication, we did metal recycling at the same time. I also FedExed off the old modem/router from our cable service.

I was GOING to deposit a check but found that my bank card was expired, and I have no notion where the replacement was (or even if I ever got it) and was GOING to mail off all of our estate documents to our first selected trustee but realized when I got there that the USPS was closed bc of holiday. So I had to call for a replacement card, and will mail off the docs today, when I pick up the rest of the meds.

But all that scrap metal, including the pipes dug up from the ground, GONE.

Now I'm going to go out and dig up the fern that has taken over its alloted garden spot; there is something living in there for sure bc the dog alerts to that area and sniffs quite often. I wouldn't mind 'possums (but they live in trees) or even skunks (but no indication that they're around anymore) or some ground-nesting bird (but too early for nesting, I think) but since it doesn't seem to be a critter that I like, I'm going t clean it up and maybe get rid of a rat nest.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:39 PM

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There was a report on the local news of Sasquatch prints being found around Silverton. A team that actual investigates this type of thing was sent. Turned out the track was made by a moose.

The news guy was trying not to laugh and I sat trying to remember when was the last time I had heard of a Sasquatch sitting or tracks being found in the province. Think I was a kid the last time that happened.

Still it was good for a laugh and a smile on a Monday evening.

All that woo-woo stuff is hot right now in the US. Ghosts, shadow-people, evil possessions, interdimensional beings, UFO's, interdimensional UFO's, poltergeists, the Moth Man and so on. (I watch/ listen to that stuff when I don't want to think about anything, because all I do is laugh to myself.)

The ONE thing I've changed my mind about as POSSIBLY being based in reality is the Sasquatch/ yeti/ skunk ape ... because there's just enough plausibility that there's an undiscovered branch of the hominid tree.

It wasn't too long ago when people snickeringly dismissed the stories of a small, child-stealing, people-eating, evil munchkin-human-creature living in the jungles of Indonesia. Then their bones were discovered and a new human-like species called Homo floresiensis was acknowledged. They were thought to have died out 40,000 years ago, but maybe a few survived in a few places till recently enough - the last several thousand years - to leave their mark in human folklore.




I know it is.

And growing up in BC just above Washington State where there are also all kinds of stories like this too. So I've heard a few over the years. I will also admit to believing in them as well with my background in archaeology and a couple of classes in anthropology. So, yeah.

I remember the news story out of Indonesia too and that was fascinating.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:41 PM

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Out for a walk on another sunny day. Just a couple of things to do then I should be making some phone calls when I get back.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 2:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Thanks, Jack.

I don't have much specific to say except that it seems that drinking was a way to try and escape some mental state, and hoarding was a way to distract from that mental state.

I used to work with a guy - a brilliant guy - and I don't use that word lightly - who had some demons inside of him. Some internal conflict, or unmet need, or something. At even that very young age (20's) he was a hard-core, fall asleep on the park-bench, never make it home for days at a time of drinking and passing out in pubic, alcoholic. Obviously he lost his job though he could have done it in his sleep AND blown us all out of the water making advances none of us even imagined.

I think we all lost track of him day-to-day though a few people kept track of 'time and place'. And so I have no idea what specifically happened or how, but somewhere along the way he figured out his problems, got his PhD and a great job, got married and adopted a kid.

20 years later he came back to SoCal to visit looking happy and optimistic.

So, it's possible to figure out your issues. It's possible to solve them. I've seen it. Good luck, Jack, on your journey. There is a solution, and it is attainable.


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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 2:49 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Signy, as Jack is your inspiration, Brenda is mine.

I may have mentioned it a few times, but I spent maybe 15 years in unremitting, excruciating pain. All I could manage was getting to work, doing my best, and getting home. There are 2 kinds of pain. The pain "out there" where you say - my toe hurts. And there's the pain that drills its way into your brain where you say - I just want it to stop, and a long dirt nap sounds really nice right about now.

Anyway, the inspiration I have is to keep moving forward. To set your routines and goals, and keep at it.

Some days I don't do what I have set out to do, because I feel overwhelmed and under-energized. And pretty much every day I have to push myself into motion. But I remember Brenda's trick to keep moving forward. And it helps me get going because I see progress is possible.


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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:21 PM

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Having gone thru episodes of pain on and off over the past few years ... to the point where I was crying in frustration and pain, wondering how I was going to get thru the day-to-day of just shopping, cooking, dishes, and maybe a little housecleaning here and there, I think I've been where you were, just got not as long. I can't imagine 15 years. What a nightmare.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 6:10 PM

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Walk done and in with errands done as well. Even got the phone calls I was planning to make done. So, I am all set up for the next little bit that way. Phone calls included making appointments for a hearing test which is set for tomorrow morning at 9AM. Oy! But I need to get it done as I think my right ear is heading the way of the left. *sigh*

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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:26 PM

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Also, black and brown widows and violin spiders, both poisonous



I was worried about them at one point, but the ones I had turned out to be wolf spiders and not brown recluses. I won't go as far as to say we don't have any dangerous spiders up this far north, but I think the likelihood is pretty slim here. I did have a LOT of them though. They almost always only prowled in the basement, and as big as they were I just let them do their thing. I figure whatever they were eating to get that big I didn't want in my house either, and they were the only tenants I had that were paying their rent on time.




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True, that. Apparently hoarding often starts with some sort of traumatic event, a loss, and may reflect a desire to control the environment.


Yeah. That's what they bring up nearly every episode. I could write a book about my childhood, so who knows what caused it. It's funny that this is a means of "controlling the environment" though when you're absolutely out of control once you let it get out of control.

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But don't be too hard on yourself. That first project sounds like a necessary first step, as well.


Yeah. It was a project I said I'd never get involved in again since I spent so many prime years of my life working on it. But I did kind of fall in love with it all over again, and I really do want to get back to it one day. Too much to do right now, but I'll get there eventually.

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Give me goosebumps to read that!




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SIX, FWIW you've done a terrific job not just fixing up up your house, but fixing up yourself as much as possible.


One day at a time, is what the people who use the support groups say.

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The one thing I can say for sure about hoarding is that it is NOT OCD because I've read studies that the medication for OCD does not work on hoarders; there's a different brain chemistry involved. Since I used to watch Hoarders too, it looks to me like an attempt to stabilize... something... For sure dopamine is involved because it's dopamine that causes people to repeat a learned action; dopamine is the "reward" chemicl responsible for that jolt when we've learned something that is intrinsically rewarding, like how to walk, or a new math concept. Sounds like you're finding your rewards in more beneficial ways.


I've never been diagnosed with anything, but I know that I do have OCD tenancies. I'm not on the spectrum like my youngest brother is, but even though my house is clean now, I'm still a digital hoarder. The project I'm working on and probably could never finish in two lifetimes is insane.

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You've been something of an inspiration for me. I realize that I can't work at the pace that you do, given age and infirmity (It's hard to believe that the half-year nightmare of aches and pains was all due to chronic sinus infection!) but knowing that I CAN make progress and tackle things I might not know how, learning as I go, keeps me motivated. As long as the pain allows, I'll keep moving forward too.



That's really nice of you to say.

Don't worry about the pace. Just keep trying to look forward and make those plans in your head play out in real life a little at a time.

I get into the grove and the progress is amazing, but then I can just as easily fall into a funk and get nothing done for weeks at a time. Just got to keep getting back on that horse as long as we're still able to get around.

I'm glad you're getting done the things that you wanted to get done now that you've gotten the clutter out of your own life too.




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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:32 PM

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Thanks, Jack.





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I don't have much specific to say except that it seems that drinking was a way to try and escape some mental state, and hoarding was a way to distract from that mental state.


You're not wrong.

The drinking really fed badly into itself too when I started using Facebook for a time when I was dating a girl who practically begged me to get on it. Somehow I'd gotten myself attached to a lot of family and Mr. Hyde made an ass of himself when he was drinking. Unlike here in the RWED, that was with people I actually knew. The first thing I'd want to do when I slept it off and bits and pieces of stuff I'd said came back to me was to drink again. Then I'd get drunk and do the whole process all over again. It was terrible, and though I really can say with confidence that I won't drink again, I also intend to never use any sort of social media again either.

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I used to work with a guy - a brilliant guy - and I don't use that word lightly - who had some demons inside of him. Some internal conflict, or unmet need, or something. At even that very young age (20's) he was a hard-core, fall asleep on the park-bench, never make it home for days at a time of drinking and passing out in pubic, alcoholic. Obviously he lost his job though he could have done it in his sleep AND blown us all out of the water making advances none of us even imagined.

I think we all lost track of him day-to-day though a few people kept track of 'time and place'. And so I have no idea what specifically happened or how, but somewhere along the way he figured out his problems, got his PhD and a great job, got married and adopted a kid.

20 years later he came back to SoCal to visit looking happy and optimistic.

So, it's possible to figure out your issues. It's possible to solve them. I've seen it. Good luck, Jack, on your journey. There is a solution, and it is attainable.




Glad to hear there was a happy ending. Hopefully he didn't have to hit rock bottom in order to turn it around. Sometimes that's the only way. But even though I had destroyed tons of relationships and let my house and health go to hell, I wasn't broke or out on the street. It certainly could have gotten much worse before it got any better.


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Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:42 PM

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Hitting a pretty huge snag in my cabinet work...

The dirty "gunk" on the shelves I mentioned yesterday isn't the cause of my current sanding woes.

It's the late 50's/early 60's lacquer that they used on the OG cabinets and shelves. It's literally EVERYWHERE inside of the cabinets.

Sanding is pretty much impossible. Almost instantaneously the sandpaper gets clogged up and ruined without any sanding of the wood getting done. I could probably go through 300 sheets of paper before I was even halfway finished doing the insides of the cabinets.

Fortunately, the doors were later additions that were put over the veneer they added to the outside of the cabinets, so I'm not experiencing any problems sanding them. But trying to clean these shelves is a huge PITA when I'm able to stand over them and work on them over a table. I don't know how I'm going to do the inside of the top cabinets while on a step ladder. Especially the tops of them and all of th nooks and crannies.

This Old House says that you can paint over it if you clean it with TSP and give it a light sanding, but Bob Vila ain't a part of that outfit anymore and I'm calling bullshit.

I think I might have to actually invest in some solvent and strip the cabinets proper. I don't think I have the energy or the desire to wipe those cabinets down with mineral spirits and scour them with steel wool like I've been doing to the shelves. It took me most of the day on and off to clean 2 1/2 of them using this method.


I did finally get around to putting down primer on the back sides of the four small doors I'd prepped and primed last night, and I primed the tops and sides of the two shelves I cleaned. I'm going to be hitting all of this with a 2nd coat of primer before I even think about painting them too, and I have to run out and get a bunch of 220 grit paper so I can give everything a smooth as glass finish in between coats.


I think I might break a record with this job. Usually things take 3 times as long as I think they will going into it. I'm thinking this job will be 10 times if I'm lucky.




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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 9:16 AM

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True, that. Apparently hoarding often starts with some sort of traumatic event, a loss, and may reflect a desire to control the environment.


Yeah. That's what they bring up nearly every episode. I could write a book about my childhood, so who knows what caused it. It's funny that this is a means of "controlling the environment" though when you're absolutely out of control once you let it get out of control.

I never heard of Hoarders -- until now. I looked for the show and downloaded 5. One episode was definitely about Trumptards: Hoarders S10E01 Andy and Becky 480p x264-mSD [eztv]

In front of Becky's house was a sign, which reminds me of every Trumptard:
"The City of Marysville WA took our dogs and maybe our house if we don’t jump high enough for code enforcement jackbooted tactics" (The house had 500,000 lbs of trash and had received citations 3 times over the years because they wouldn’t clean up. After the third time it becomes a criminal misdemeanor. The Trumptard owners can't see or believe their way of life is a public nuisance and cruel to the family dogs.)

Frustrated by the perceived power of the city government, Becky tries to recruit a more powerful ally.

Becky on her smartphone: “There is Trump’s face [on Twitter]. If he found out, hopefully he’d be on our side.” Ha-ha! It is always the same with Trumptards.

The Hoarder episodes start like this: Compulsive Hoarding is a mental disorder marked by an obsessive need to acquire and keep things, even if the items are worthless, hazardous, or unsanitary. Up to 19 million Americans have hoarding disorder. This is one of their stories.

The A&E network ought to do a series out of Texas called Trumptards. There are 19 million Trumptard stories just in Texas. Most won't involve trash, but all are equally weird and entertaining as the 5 stories about Hoarders I downloaded. I will miss Trump. He was the weirdest Trumptard of all with the longest episode in TV history, which ends today. Maybe there will be a second season with shorter episodes starting soon . . .

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 10:09 AM

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There's plenty of rich whites and poor blacks on the show too, bud.

They seem to make a point to never put politics in the show, but one could assume they've got you covered too.




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