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In the garden, and RAIN!!!!

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Monday, May 31, 2021 8:51 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It's Sunday. Relax, Brenda.

I was planning on working after my guests left, but we ate big... which I rarely do during the day. Feels like hibernation time early today.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.



That's what I did. Absolutely nothing. No book work, no music just messed with my computer for the day and ate.




Nice. Except for listening for the sump pump cycles I didn't do much after my guests left either.



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Monday, May 31, 2021 9:34 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
My grandpa was 90 when I got him a computer and printer, modem. He could start working on his book (editing), until I found out what he was doing and scanned it in, a few hundred pages.
That first day I hooked up his modem and showed him how to send an email. He sent me, so I confirmed it worked, then my cousin in CA, who we hadn't seen in years. Next day I asked him if he checked his email yet, he didn't know why we should. Checked and found he had a reply from my cousin, she had replied 3 hours after he sent it, and it had been waiting for him for almost a day - he thought it would take a few days for the email to travel. He spent A LOT of time on that PC. Eventually learned to stop eating walnuts next to the printer. Everybody in the family was amazed he was willing to use a computer - including me, but I had a sales pitch in mind, and I wanted him to keep his mind active and exercised, and that part worked until he decided to die.



That's cool you got your grandpa to try it. LOL that he thought it would take a while like mailing a letter. Seems silly to use now, but really... Why wouldn't he think that?

I'm never going to get my grandma to do it. At this point it's become a source of pride for her that she's going to go out having never used the internet or any modern technology. Her short term memory is next to shot too. There's actually a very good chance that when I talk to her today she wouldn't remember being here yesterday. Thankfully though, her long term memory is still sharp. If it happened a decade ago or before it's still fresh in her mind.

My aunt picked it up really quick though. She was grateful that I was patient and took the time to get her set up. Her brother (my uncle) and his family live right in the neighborhood. She said that he had no patience at all, that my aunt didn't really know how to do anything on it, and my cousin knows all about it but she couldn't stay focused on one thing for more than a minute or two.

We got her a new email address, PIN locked her phone, set up her voicemail. I taught her how to text... and I got a chuckle when she thought the keyboard layout was wrong because A didn't come before B didn't come before C and she looked at me like I was speaking Spanish when I told her it was QWERTY. I also had her enter my number and any numbers she knew from memory into the phone to make her contacts and told her that her homework tonight was to take the numbers from the old pre-paid card phone and do the same with them. After familiarizing myself with her phone layout I made her do all the tasks herself, several times. She seems to get it.

But then I had some fun on my own with it...

Not only was I able to get just as good speed on my computer out of her phone internet when using it as a Hotspot, but I hooked my smart TV up to her phone as a network and I was able to show her what she could be watching at home now. I couldn't believe we got full HD streaming out of that phone. I'd heard it could be done, but I've never seen it in action.

When she's ready, I'll make sure to get her the best possible deal on an entry level laptop.

And even if my grandma won't get a computer, I can at least send some videos of things I try to explain to her over the phone on projects I'm working on in between visits.

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ETA: Oh.... I think I see where you're going with this. You don't mean continuously. You just want me to use only the drill pump to get the water out and into the toilet for a full hour to see if the stream from the inlet slows down when the pump isn't putting it out to the street.

Great way to see if any of that pumped water is just being dumped right back against the house.



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Should do that when it is not raining, but still has at least 3 cycles per hour.


Agreed. Missed that window now. More rain will come soon. It's always just around the corner on this side of the lake.



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My cordless brushless impact driver has 18 torque settings plus 3 speeds, selected by switch. My cordless drill has 2 speed settings. I would use the slowest speed for your pump, until you get the hang of it.


I don't believe mine has speeds. Strange. I've got 3 Ryobi drills that currently have good batteries and two DeWalt drills with dead batteries. Even the DeWalt's don't have speed settings. I've only got the torque settings.

I'll just have to not put the trigger down full bore since the triggers are pressure sensitive.


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The most pertinent news recently was that the delay from start of hard rain until pump start was about an hour, if I understand correctly. Whatever that time is, that is one to keep track of and compare in the future.


Somewhere, thereabouts.

But it's not as if it wasn't going off before that.

I'd forced it to cycle at around 12:30PM that day and it went off again at around 4:15PM that day. This was before any NEW rain had fallen. It rained the night before about .9", but that was after about a 12 day stretch with only a drizzle in between so the ground everywhere was very dry at that point, and I'd already lowered the pump quite a few days before that so the whole drainage system finally had a chance to dry out too.

Had it not been basically TWO .9" rains back to back, I don't think that pump would have gone off much. But after the second .9" rain came in without a chance for the first one to dry up at all is when the pump started cycling a lot.

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When you get a chance to do that garden hose set of tests, that will be more precise, and likely a different time depending upon which part of the basement wall you test.


I'm getting the camera, supposedly, on Thursday. Since I'm buying the tubes at a hardware store, I'm going to take some time and suss out the best price before I buy them. The store I always go to is basically right down the street, but it looks as though I might get a better deal at Home Depot now since we need at least some measure of braided tube. I'll check the Lowes prices since both HD and Lowes are a trek away from my house and near each other.

I won't wait on having the pump mounted since I want to put some planning into that before it gets an official mount spot, but I don't want to be introducing any water at the foundation until I have the drill pump and the camera setup (with the painted on water level marks).

I've been down in that crawl space at least a dozen times over the last two days, unhappily crab walking back and forth and getting filthy every time I do. I'd rather do this testing when I can record and monitor things from my couch.






BTW... Here's a full list of my cycles as I recorded them this time. I made a point to denote when I missed a cycle or was sleeping. I made educated guesses as to when they would have gone off in between actually catching the pump cycles, and it should be at least 98% accurate.




==================== 05/28/2021 =========================

This was the next day after we'd had a .9" rain the day/night before. (I wasn't keeping track of cycles then... I was out with friends when it started, and slept during most of it. I didn't hear it much before I went to sleep though, and you can see that after Noon I had to force it because I was getting impatient for it to trigger my first reading after 20 minutes had passed)

12:21 (I forced this manually for a start time... Was almost full but waited 20 minutes and still didn't go off)
4:11 / 230 Minutes
6:28 / 137 Minutes (.9 inch rain started around 5:15PM; Ended before Midnight)
6:49 / 19 Minutes
7:08 / 19 Minutes
7:25 / 17 Minutes
7:41 / 16 Minutes
7:55 / 14 Minutes
[8:08] / 13 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[8:20] / 12 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
8:32 / 12 Minutes
8:43 / 11 Minutes
8:54 / 11 Minutes
9:14 / 10 Minutes
9:24 / 10 Minutes
9:34 / 10 Minutes
9:44 / 10 Minutes
9:54 / 10 Minutes
10:03 / 9 Minutes
10:13 / 10 Minutes
10:23 / 10 Minutes
10:33 / 10 Minutes
10:43 / 10 Minutes
10:53 / 10 Minutes
11:03 / 10 Minutes
11:13 / 10 Minutes
11:24 / 11 Minutes
11:34 / 10 Minutes
11:44 / 10 Minutes

SLEEPING

[11:55] / 11 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)

[Rain started tapering off around the 10:00PM hour, but remained until around midnight, with about .07" of rain during those two hours. It's been dry ever since

TOTAL RAIN FOR DAY: .9"
TOTAL RAIN PAST 72 HOURS: 1.91"]

==================== 05/29/2021 =========================
[12:06] / 11 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[12:17] / 11 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[12:28] / 11 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[12:39] / 11 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
12:50 / 11 Minutes
[1:01] / 11 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[1:13] / 12 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
1:24 / 11 Minutes
1:35 / 11 Minutes
1:47 / 12 Minutes
1:59 / 12 Minutes
2:11 / 12 Minutes
2:23 / 12 Minutes
2:35 / 12 Minutes
2:48 / 12 Minutes
3:00 / 12 Minutes
3:13 / 13 Minutes
3:26 / 13 Minutes
3:39 / 13 Minutes
3:53 / 14 Minutes

SLEEPING

[4:06] / 13 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[4:19] / 13 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[4:33] / 14 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[4:47] / 14 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[5:01] / 14 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[5:15] / 14 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[5:30] / 15 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[5:45] / 15 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[5:59] / 14 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[6:14] / 15 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[6:29] / 15 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[6:45] / 16 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[7:01] / 16 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[7:17] / 16 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[7:33] / 16 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[7:50] / 17 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[8:07] / 17 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[8:24] / 17 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[8:41] / 17 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[8:59] / 18 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[9:17] / 18 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[9:35] / 18 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[9:53] / 18 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)

10:04 / [UNKNOWN]
10:21 / 17 Minutes
[10:39] / 18 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
10:58 / 19 Minutes
11:18 / 19 Minutes
11:36 / 18 Minutes
[11:55] / 19 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[12:14] / 19 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[12:33] / 19 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[12:54] / 19 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
1:14 / 20 Minutes
1:35 / 21 Minutes
1:55 / 20 Minutes
2:17 / 22 Minutes
[2:38] / 21 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[3:00] / 22 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[3:22] / 22 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
3:44 / 22 Minutes
[4:07] / 23 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
4:30 / 23 Minutes
4:53 / 23 Minutes
5:16 / 23 Minutes
5:40 / 24 Minutes
6:04 / 24 Minutes
6:28 / 24 Minutes
6:53 / 25 Minutes
7:18 / 25 Minutes
7:44 / 26 Minutes
[8:09] / 25 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
8:34 / 25 Minutes
[9:00] / 26 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
9:26 / 26 Minutes

LAUNDRY LOAD... RESET TIME...

10:16 / [NOT VALID SINCE IT WAS AFTER LAUNDRY]
[10:43] / 27 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
11:10 / 27 Minutes
11:37 / 27 Minutes
==================== 05/30/2021 =========================
12:05 / 28 Minutes
12:33 / 28 MINUTES

SLEEPING

[1:01] / 28 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[1:30] / 29 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[1:59] / 29 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[2:28] / 29 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[2:58] / 30 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[3:28] / 30 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[4:58] / 30 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[4:28] / 30 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[4:59] / 31 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[5:30] / 31 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[6:01] / 31 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[6:32] / 31 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[7:04] / 32 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[7:36] / 32 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[6:58] / 32 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[7:30] / 33 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[8:03] / 33 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)

WOKE UP

8:37 / 34 Minutes [UNKNOWN]
9:11 / 34 Minutes
9:45 / 34 Minutes
[10:20] / 35 MINUTES (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[10:56] / 36 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[11:33] / 37 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
12:11 / 38 Minutes
[12:50] / 39 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[1:30] / 40 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[2:09] / 41 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
[2:51] / 42 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
3:33 / 42 Minutes
4:16 / 43 Minutes
5:00 / 44 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
5:45 / 45 Minutes (Guessing here... Didn't catch it.)
6:31 / 46 Minutes
7:18 / 47 Minutes
8:50 / 92 Minutes [STREAM VERY SLOW NOW]

With no more cycles still, I checked at 10:30PM and didn't even look half full.

Fell asleep some point after this. Haven't heard it yet this morning. I'm sure it's still going off on occasion and will be all day, but the cycles are very dispersed now and not worth even listening for since it requires me to just sit inside all day long without any music on or work being done to not miss it now that it's so quiet.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 1:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Got me a good smaller microwave at the Goodwill sale today. Score!

Without a tape measure handy I was just eyeballing it, but I was sure enough it would fit that I spent the money. Got it home and I have just under 1/2" clearance.

Dirty as shit though. They don't make people throw the microwaves in the washing machine before they donate them like they do the clothes apparently.

I'll be deep cleaning 2 microwaves and putting down contact paper for the rest of the day.

Not hoarding, but I'm going to keep that old microwave for when I move and/or this one breaks.



And whenever one of them does break I get two extra donut magnets and the 2nd transformer I'll need to make my own super dangerous and super fun DIY arc welder.


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Monday, May 31, 2021 1:17 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It's Sunday. Relax, Brenda.

I was planning on working after my guests left, but we ate big... which I rarely do during the day. Feels like hibernation time early today.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.



That's what I did. Absolutely nothing. No book work, no music just messed with my computer for the day and ate.




Nice. Except for listening for the sump pump cycles I didn't do much after my guests left either.



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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.



Sorry the repairs on your house are being such a drag. I can't help in any way shape or form.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 1:21 PM

BRENDA


Out for my walk soon on a nice sunny day. Need to do a couple of things.

Tried using a VCR that I have last night. Batteries in remote leaked, so remote is toast. I am not sure if the machine itself is working. Have to go into a tech store today while I am out and ask a couple of questions.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 2:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody bailed and I had a great night out with my friends.

Well. Except for my one buddy rubbing in all night about how many hundreds of thousands of dollars he's made so far buying AMC stock. He was always a braggart, but that was getting a little on my nerves tonight.

To be fair, he did tell me to buy it when it was 9 bucks and now it's 26+.

I hope it goes well for him. He's far from poor, but I think he's investing WAY too much into it at this point. I guess he basically just re-invested all the money he's "made" so far buying more stock at $17 more per share than his initial buys were. It's always fun riding something like that when it looks like the sky is the limit. But he's going to want to take that ticker off of the bottom of the clock on his thousand dollar Apple watch if it ever comes crashing down.


I think he's equally annoyed at me for not being impressed or envious of all of his toys. I guess maybe it's been a while since I've been around somebody who puts so much value on material possessions and feels a constant need to let everyone know how well they're doing. I just told him "if you ain't sharin' people ain't carin'".

Man... I must have been annoying when we were kids and I was walking around wearing gold chains and going to parties wearing $250 outfits.

If $1k per month UBI ever becomes a thing I'll never have to answer to anyone ever again and that's the only thing in life that will ever make me happy. No material possession in the world could ever do that.

So you are saying that on the evening of Thursday, 27 May you had a Reunion...with Friends.
Yeah, that story is all over news and media, and even before Thursday.

But I missed it.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 2:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Out for my walk soon on a nice sunny day. Need to do a couple of things.

Tried using a VCR that I have last night. Batteries in remote leaked, so remote is toast. I am not sure if the machine itself is working. Have to go into a tech store today while I am out and ask a couple of questions.

Remember, a Universal Remote might do the trick.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 2:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


6ix,I may have been unclear. When doing that proactive testing, don't use the drill pump. The tether float gives a predictable high and low water mark. The drill pump would not.


My 3 speed driver is DeWalt. My 2 speed drill is Black & Decker.


Also, once you get one or 2 cycle intervals timed, you shouldn't need to keep listening for it until another 12 or 24 hours later, then check one or 2 cycle intervals again.
If you wanted to try an improvement, I suggest reducing the float range, like from the current 5" to 3 or 4 ". Maybe tie another zip strip another 1/2" or so below the current tether pivot point.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 3:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody bailed and I had a great night out with my friends.

Well. Except for my one buddy rubbing in all night about how many hundreds of thousands of dollars he's made so far buying AMC stock. He was always a braggart, but that was getting a little on my nerves tonight.

To be fair, he did tell me to buy it when it was 9 bucks and now it's 26+.

I hope it goes well for him. He's far from poor, but I think he's investing WAY too much into it at this point. I guess he basically just re-invested all the money he's "made" so far buying more stock at $17 more per share than his initial buys were. It's always fun riding something like that when it looks like the sky is the limit. But he's going to want to take that ticker off of the bottom of the clock on his thousand dollar Apple watch if it ever comes crashing down.


I think he's equally annoyed at me for not being impressed or envious of all of his toys. I guess maybe it's been a while since I've been around somebody who puts so much value on material possessions and feels a constant need to let everyone know how well they're doing. I just told him "if you ain't sharin' people ain't carin'".

Man... I must have been annoying when we were kids and I was walking around wearing gold chains and going to parties wearing $250 outfits.

If $1k per month UBI ever becomes a thing I'll never have to answer to anyone ever again and that's the only thing in life that will ever make me happy. No material possession in the world could ever do that.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

So you zre saying that on the evening of Thursday, 27 May you had a Reunion...with Friends.
Yeah, that story is all over news and media, and even before Thursday.

But I missed it.




It was all over the local news here. Maybe they only were showing it in Illianna and not the greater Tri-State area.



Since we're talking about it now though, I'm mulling over showing him this video since they use SO many of the terms for the Game Stop fiasco that the guy he watches now uses in the AMC meme.



Caveat Emptor, and all of that...



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Monday, May 31, 2021 3:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
6ix,I may have been unclear. When doing that proactive testing, don't use the drill pump. The tether float gives a predictable high and low water mark. The drill pump would not.



Nah. I got you. I was probably unclear about the things I wanted to do down there, in what order, and how they pertain to each other.


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My 3 speed driver is DeWalt. My 2 speed drill is Black & Decker.


All 5 of my drills have one speed. In fact, in all of my years doing home remodeling jobs I've never seen one with more than one speed. Strange.

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Also, once you get one or 2 cycle intervals timed, you shouldn't need to keep listening for it until another 12 or 24 hours later, then check one or 2 cycle intervals again.


Yeah. It's going to happen though. I'm OCD like that. And there's no way I can even attempt piecing together the times for a whole 24 hour range. It was hard enough with 8 hour gaps in between.

I'm only going to be doing this when there have been signifigant changes made though, such as digging the well deeper/shortening the tether length and putting the drain pipe on the ends of the adapters. If it were to rain 2" tonight there would be no benefit from me doing it again and I'd probably be happy that it's so quiet I could turn up the volume of my computer a bit and drown it out.

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If you wanted to try an improvement, I suggest reducing the float range, like from the current 5" to 3 or 4 ". Maybe tie another zip strip another 1/2" or so below the current tether pivot point.



I'm failing to understand how this would be an improvement...

At 5" tether length, the pump goes off over 1" before it even starts hitting the bottom of the 4" inlet from outside. In my mind, shortening the length would just reduce my 15 second on time to 10-12 seconds, leaving me with a lot more motor starts with shorter intervals and the same amount of water going out.

What is your thinking here about how this would be beneficial? Am I missing something?

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Monday, May 31, 2021 3:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
6ix,I may have been unclear. When doing that proactive testing, don't use the drill pump. The tether float gives a predictable high and low water mark. The drill pump would not.

Nah. I got you. I was probably unclear about the things I wanted to do down there, in what order, and how they pertain to each other.

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Also, once you get one or 2 cycle intervals timed, you shouldn't need to keep listening for it until another 12 or 24 hours later, then check one or 2 cycle intervals again.
Yeah. It's going to happen though. I'm OCD like that. And there's no way I can even attempt piecing together the times for a whole 24 hour range. It was hard enough with 8 hour gaps in between.

I'm only going to be doing this when there have been signifigant changes made though, such as digging the well deeper/shortening the tether length and putting the drain pipe on the ends of the adapters. If it were to rain 2" tonight there would be no benefit from me doing it again and I'd probably be happy that it's so quiet I could turn up the volume of my computer a bit and drown it out.

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If you wanted to try an improvement, I suggest reducing the float range, like from the current 5" to 3 or 4 ". Maybe tie another zip strip another 1/2" or so below the current tether pivot point.

I'm failing to understand how this would be an improvement...

At 5" tether length, the pump goes off over 1" before it even starts hitting the bottom of the 4" inlet from outside. In my mind, shortening the length would just reduce my 15 second on time to 10-12 seconds, leaving me with a lot more motor starts with shorter intervals and the same amount of water going out.

What is your thinking here about how this would be beneficial? Am I missing something?

Once you've got this entire thing conjured, this will amount to tinkering - experimentation.

When you had 7" range, you had 4 minute intervals.

Now when you have 5" range, you get down to 10 minute intervals.

If you get down to 4 or 3" range, your interval will be......

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Monday, May 31, 2021 4:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I don't think that's what changed the intervals... At least not in the way that you are thinking.

There's three other factors.

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1st recording: When you had 7" range, you had 4 minute intervals.


1. First time I made the recordings there was well over 3.5" of rain in a much shorter period.

2. First time I made the recordings I hadn't installed the drain pipes so the water from both sides of the garage and the back side of the porch/shed diverted down the driveway and to the street instead of 2/3rds or more of that ending up in the sand pit.

3. First time I made the recordings the well was 8" shallower and the pump allowed water to sit and pool until it was nearly 5" above the 4" inlet, never once having allowed the drainage system to dry out in 6 years.

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Now when you have 5" range, you get down to 10 minute intervals.
Yes. Now that I have a 5" range AND all three differences above.

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If you get down to 4 or 3" range, your interval will be......


5-7 minutes, all other factors being equal to the rainfall we had the last week?

My guess is that by shortening the tether all I would be doing is forcing less water out per interval, which would just make the pump go off more often to remove the same amount of water that is already now freely making it into the well without being backed up by a pump that allows it to sit until nearly reaching the brim, and subsequently in outside drain pipes.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 5:31 PM

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I don't think that's what changed the intervals... At least not in the way that you are thinking.

There's three other factors.
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1st recording: When you had 7" range, you had 4 minute intervals.
1. First time I made the recordings there was well over 3.5" of rain in a much shorter period.

2. First time I made the recordings I hadn't installed the drain pipes so the water from both sides of the garage and the back side of the porch/shed diverted down the driveway and to the street instead of 2/3rds or more of that ending up in the sand pit.

3. First time I made the recordings the well was 8" shallower and the pump allowed water to sit and pool until it was nearly 5" above the 4" inlet, never once having allowed the drainage system to dry out in 6 years.
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Now when you have 5" range, you get down to 10 minute intervals.
Yes. Now that I have a 5" range AND all three differences above.
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If you get down to 4 or 3" range, your interval will be......
5-7 minutes, all other factors being equal to the rainfall we had the last week?

My guess is that by shortening the tether all I would be doing is forcing less water out per interval, which would just make the pump go off more often to remove the same amount of water that is already now freely making it into the well without being backed up by a pump that allows it to sit until nearly reaching the brim, and subsequently in outside drain pipes.

I think that after your gutter spouts had been extended, and days after the last rain, your pump cycle interval was still shorter than they are now.

Yes, you would pump less water per cycle. Since you are not doing other observations, that is what I would be trying.
What would it cost? the price of a zip tie.

Your continuous pump cycling for days after rain are NOT from above-ground water sources.



As an aside, I don't think your whole system will be dried out for a few weeks yet, at least.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Out for my walk soon on a nice sunny day. Need to do a couple of things.

Tried using a VCR that I have last night. Batteries in remote leaked, so remote is toast. I am not sure if the machine itself is working. Have to go into a tech store today while I am out and ask a couple of questions.

Remember, a Universal Remote might do the trick.



I hate universal remotes. But first I have to find out if the VCR itself is working.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 6:15 PM

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Brenda, if you still have the VCR manual, it should tell you how to control the VCR from the front panel buttons. Controlling it from the front panel buttons will tell you if it's working.

Use a tape you don't care for too much to try out the VCR buttons.

If you don't have the manual, and you have the make and model, you might be able to find a digital copy of the manual online.

Failing that, you could try just reading the buttons on the front of the VCR and see what they say: play, stop, ffw (fast forward), rwd (rewind)

... or, if the buttons aren't labeled with words but have symbols instead, look for symbols such as
>> (fast forward)
<< (rewind)
> (play)
|| (or sometimes a box) stop
... and so forth ... and give those buttons a try.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 7:03 PM

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Your continuous pump cycling for days after rain are NOT from above-ground water sources.



This is why making sure to test every time it went off has its benefits.

Why did it just suddenly go from 45+ minutes after a day and a half of very gradual increases from 10 minutes per cycle to 90+ minutes between cycles, seemingly out of the blue. Followed up by the 3 or 4 times It's gone off today?

I don't know what potential source of underground water you think there might be, but I'm about 99.9% sure that it's not because of any leaks or cracks in the drain pipe. Certainly not any cracks that would re-introduce the amount of gallons per cycle necessary to keep the water coming from underground for so long.

If that were the case then we wouldn't go from 560+ gallons on the first day to around 200 for the first 3/4 of the second day and then abruptly go to next to nothing.

We should have seen a gradual decrease every cycle that would have continued to go on for days until it stretched itself out to nothing.


Also, it's been relatively chilly around here during all of this. Not much evaporation has taken place because of this and the fact that the sun doesn't hit the hasta beds in front of the house much until mid summer. Even if it were to, how would much evaporation take place if water from a buried drain pipe were continually making its way back into the well?

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KIKI was the first to point out that you may be dealing with an underground stream. They're not unheard of, especially on flood plains when an old streambed gets filled in and built on. And I suggested that the prolonged seepage of water meant that it was coming from some distance, not from right around your drip line.

There are two possible sources: another pipe break which is cycling water back to your foundation, or that muskrat hole-ridden ditch across the street that is percolating water as well as carrying it away.

Anyway, if you have good drainage under your foundation and a reliable pump to pump out the water, I think you should be ok. You can take your time looking for that source and fixing it.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Brenda, if you still have the VCR manual, it should tell you how to control the VCR from the front panel buttons. Controlling it from the front panel buttons will tell you if it's working.

Use a tape you don't care for too much to try out the VCR buttons.

If you don't have the manual, and you have the make and model, you might be able to find a digital copy of the manual online.

Failing that, you could try just reading the buttons on the front of the VCR and see what they say: play, stop, ffw (fast forward), rwd (rewind)

... or, if the buttons aren't labeled with words but have symbols instead, look for symbols such as
>> (fast forward)
<< (rewind)
> (play)
|| (or sometimes a box) stop
... and so forth ... and give those buttons a try.

Good suggestions.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 10:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Once you've got this entire thing conjured, this will amount to tinkering - experimentation.

When you had 7" range, you had 4 minute intervals.

Now when you have 5" range, you get down to 10 minute intervals.

If you get down to 4 or 3" range, your interval will be......

That seems backwards to me. If you have smaller range, you will pump less water with each cycle. That means, for the same rate of water flowing in, you'll need MORE cycles to pump out the same amount.

Did no one ever teach you geometry and dimensional analysis?

But let's take your thought experiment to it's conclusion.

If you have a 7" range, you will pump out about 1.1 cubic feet per cycle.

With a 5" range you will pump out 0.8 cubic feet per cycle.

With a 3" range you will pump out 0.6 cuft per cycle.

At the shortest range possible- 0"- you will pump out exactly 0 cuft of water.

And you say that by pumping out less and less water per cycle you'll increase the time between cycles, even as water continues to flow in???



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Monday, May 31, 2021 11:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Brenda, if you still have the VCR manual, it should tell you how to control the VCR from the front panel buttons. Controlling it from the front panel buttons will tell you if it's working.

Use a tape you don't care for too much to try out the VCR buttons.

If you don't have the manual, and you have the make and model, you might be able to find a digital copy of the manual online.

Failing that, you could try just reading the buttons on the front of the VCR and see what they say: play, stop, ffw (fast forward), rwd (rewind)

... or, if the buttons aren't labeled with words but have symbols instead, look for symbols such as
>> (fast forward)
<< (rewind)
> (play)
|| (or sometimes a box) stop
... and so forth ... and give those buttons a try.

Good suggestions.

So you and kiki are trying to tell us that you have (or remember) VCRs that are sooooo old that they have front panel controls? AND can be turned on, activated without a remote?

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Monday, May 31, 2021 11:08 PM

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The stained legs have been attached to the dresser, turning it something more like a small chest of drawers, and it looks righteous.

Even hubby, who hates stain, thinks the legs look good and match the carcasse. The top needs to be refinished, which I feel a lot more confident about doing. It's veneer, so we have to sand super cautiously, and it will prolly need restaining. Going to finish both the legs and the top with polyurethane. Normally I'd use tung oil but dear daughter hates the smell. I'll probably use oil-based, since we used an oil based gel stain.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 11:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Brenda, if you still have the VCR manual, it should tell you how to control the VCR from the front panel buttons. Controlling it from the front panel buttons will tell you if it's working.

Use a tape you don't care for too much to try out the VCR buttons.

If you don't have the manual, and you have the make and model, you might be able to find a digital copy of the manual online.

Failing that, you could try just reading the buttons on the front of the VCR and see what they say: play, stop, ffw (fast forward), rwd (rewind)

... or, if the buttons aren't labeled with words but have symbols instead, look for symbols such as
>> (fast forward)
<< (rewind)
> (play)
|| (or sometimes a box) stop
... and so forth ... and give those buttons a try.



VCR was given to me with no manual. So, I shall have to use the buttons on the front of it when I make my next attempt.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 11:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Once you've got this entire thing conjured, this will amount to tinkering - experimentation.

When you had 7" range, you had 4 minute intervals.

Now when you have 5" range, you get down to 10 minute intervals.

If you get down to 4 or 3" range, your interval will be......

That seems backwards to me. If you have smaller range, you will pump less water with each cycle. That means, for the same rate of water flowing in, you'll need MORE cycles to pump out the same amount.

Did no one ever teach you geometry and dimensional analysis?

But let's take your thought experiment to it's conclusion.

If you have a 7" range, you will pump out about 1.1 cubic feet per cycle.

With a 5" range you will pump out 0.8 cubic feet per cycle.

With a 3" range you will pump out 0.6 cuft per cycle.

At the shortest range possible- 0"- you will pump out exactly 0 cuft of water.

And you say that by pumping out less and less water per cycle you'll increase the time between cycles, even as water continues to flow in???

I am trying hard not to confuse, frustrate, overwhelm 6ix while focusing his attention to pertinent information and tasks.
So, after some problems are resolved or tested, feel free to ask this again. However, the answers/clues are already posted in this thread, INCLUDING in your post before this one.
Your calculations are more or less correct, except the zero cuft will be attained at about 1" of range. I did not suggest that.
With the distractions 6ix has, I expect this will take a few weeks.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 11:13 PM

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Signy, that's great that it turned out so well !

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Brenda, if you still have the VCR manual, it should tell you how to control the VCR from the front panel buttons. Controlling it from the front panel buttons will tell you if it's working.

Use a tape you don't care for too much to try out the VCR buttons.

If you don't have the manual, and you have the make and model, you might be able to find a digital copy of the manual online.

Failing that, you could try just reading the buttons on the front of the VCR and see what they say: play, stop, ffw (fast forward), rwd (rewind)

... or, if the buttons aren't labeled with words but have symbols instead, look for symbols such as
>> (fast forward)
<< (rewind)
> (play)
|| (or sometimes a box) stop
... and so forth ... and give those buttons a try.

Good suggestions.

So you and kiki are trying to tell us that you have (or remember) VCRs that are sooooo old that they have front panel controls? AND can be turned on, activated without a remote?

ALL VCR players are old because nobody makes them anymore, most ppl having switched from VCR to DVD a couple of decades ago.

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Monday, May 31, 2021 11:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Once you've got this entire thing conjured, this will amount to tinkering - experimentation.

When you had 7" range, you had 4 minute intervals.

Now when you have 5" range, you get down to 10 minute intervals.

If you get down to 4 or 3" range, your interval will be......

That seems backwards to me. If you have smaller range, you will pump less water with each cycle. That means, for the same rate of water flowing in, you'll need MORE cycles to pump out the same amount.

Did no one ever teach you geometry and dimensional analysis?

But let's take your thought experiment to it's conclusion.

If you have a 7" range, you will pump out about 1.1 cubic feet per cycle.

With a 5" range you will pump out 0.8 cubic feet per cycle.

With a 3" range you will pump out 0.6 cuft per cycle.

At the shortest range possible- 0"- you will pump out exactly 0 cuft of water.

And you say that by pumping out less and less water per cycle you'll increase the time between cycles, even as water continues to flow in???

I am trying hard not to confuse, frustrate, overwhelm 6ix while focusing his attention to pertinent information and tasks.
So, after some problems are resolved or tested, feel free to ask this again. However, the answers/clues are already posted in this thread, INCLUDING in your post before this one.

Oh, this conversation is between you and me, and what you posted was - as far as I can tell - utter nonsense.

So please feel free to tell me how I'm wrong.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 8:52 AM

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Quote:

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KIKI was the first to point out that you may be dealing with an underground stream. They're not unheard of, especially on flood plains when an old streambed gets filled in and built on. And I suggested that the prolonged seepage of water meant that it was coming from some distance, not from right around your drip line.

There are two possible sources: another pipe break which is cycling water back to your foundation, or that muskrat hole-ridden ditch across the street that is percolating water as well as carrying it away.

Anyway, if you have good drainage under your foundation and a reliable pump to pump out the water, I think you should be ok. You can take your time looking for that source and fixing it.

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I wish I had Superman's X-Ray vision!!!!

Water seems to have zero problem coming in now. It's a constant stream for days after we get a large amount of rain. At least by lowering the well depth I've been able to verify that.

Maybe it is underground water. I dunno.

I just don't think it's a cracked drain pipe. The only reason I ever would have known my drain pipe was cracked was because it would end up eroding the dirt around it and take it into the drain pipe with the water, ultimately leaving me a large pit above and around the crack up against the foundation of my house. There's just no evidence anywhere around the pipe now that this is happening. Not even slightly.

And it's clear that a lot of water is going out to the street when I look in the clean out. It also seems to be depressurized at that point because it's just a stream under the clean out, heading straight for the stop sign on the corner of the property. You can tell the grade is good there because when the pump stops and it slows to a trickle it all still keeps going away from the house.


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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 9:05 AM

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So you and kiki are trying to tell us that you have (or remember) VCRs that are sooooo old that they have front panel controls? AND can be turned on, activated without a remote?



I had an OG VCR up until my early 20's. It's one of those things I look back on and wish I hadn't thrown out because of how unique it was, even though it was impractical long before DVD players were a thing.

Though it only had one plug to the outlet, it was made of of two separate boxes that were tethered together with a beefy cord. One box had very little on it at all except for the eject button which would make the top pop like a small service elevator up so you could feed the tape inside, and then you had to manually push that back down into place until it clicked (more like clanged).

The other side had all of the buttons and the extremely old school display.

Somehow they managed to cram some rudimentary form of programming in there so you could start recording things while you weren't home or sleeping.

This thing never had a remote. It was strictly manual button presses on the machine from day one.

I don't even want to know how much my old man paid for that back in the day. I know I'd asked him at some point, but that was right before the divorce and he honestly doesn't even remember the VCR I'm talking about. LOL... my mom might have bought it with the child support money. Sounds like my mom.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 9:09 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I am trying hard not to confuse, frustrate, overwhelm 6ix while focusing his attention to pertinent information and tasks.



This has been noticed and is appreciated. Thank you.

Quote:

With the distractions 6ix has, I expect this will take a few weeks.



Yeah. Probably will be. Kitchen is only about 3/5ths done and I started that back in January.

I think the days of mowing my lawn 3+ times per week are over for the year though, and except for the weed and feed application I'll be putting down some time this week or next I shouldn't have too many more applications of things to put down until late in the summer.

The tree cutting lawn damage has no been more or less fixed and except for the well groomed wood chip piles where the trees used to be you can hardly tell the trees were removed. There's more work to be done there eventually, but it's not high on my priority list at all.

All the helicopters and buds have fallen and been cleaned out of the gutters and off the ground now too, so I shouldn't have to be doing anything like that again until the leaves fall.

I've got plenty of outdoor work to resume while trying to wrap up the kitchen, but at least the lawn maintenance stuff should slow down for a while now.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 9:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Brenda, if you still have the VCR manual, it should tell you how to control the VCR from the front panel buttons. Controlling it from the front panel buttons will tell you if it's working.

Use a tape you don't care for too much to try out the VCR buttons.

If you don't have the manual, and you have the make and model, you might be able to find a digital copy of the manual online.

Failing that, you could try just reading the buttons on the front of the VCR and see what they say: play, stop, ffw (fast forward), rwd (rewind)

... or, if the buttons aren't labeled with words but have symbols instead, look for symbols such as
>> (fast forward)
<< (rewind)
> (play)
|| (or sometimes a box) stop
... and so forth ... and give those buttons a try.



VCR was given to me with no manual. So, I shall have to use the buttons on the front of it when I make my next attempt.



If you didn't throw out the remote and the leak wasn't too serious you should be able to clean it out. Although you don't want to be getting it all over the place, the battery leak isn't nearly as dangerous as I grew up thinking it was when my mom put the fear in god in me when she threw out one of my toys that had leaked.

Wear some gloves, and with a toothbrush and some vinegar you can neutralize and clean the leak. Then you'd just have to wait until everything was dry before powering it up again. A few days should do it.


If you've already thrown it out, I'm sure you could still find a Universal remote that you'd be able to get working with your VCR.

Try the buttons out first and make sure it works though. It probably will. Those things were built pretty good considering how many moving parts they had. The buttons are pretty self explanatory. You shouldn't need a manual for them. Kiki's post sums up any of the important functions you'd need.

The only thing you might be missing going forward without the proper remote would be any menu features that would allow you to program a time you wanted it to record when you weren't home. I think you could still get that with a universal remote, but it could be trickier to figure out. If you had no plans on ever recording stuff while you weren't there to hit the record button, you probably won't ever miss the remote once you get used to pressing the buttons on the face.

Like I said in my post to JSF above, the VCR I grew up with and ended up taking with me when I moved out never had a remote control when it was brand new.

And that thing was SO old that you couldn't get a universal remote to work with it since it wasn't even designed with a receiver to pick up any remote signals.



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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 1:18 PM

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Out for my walk. Nice and sunny again.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 1:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Brenda, if you still have the VCR manual, it should tell you how to control the VCR from the front panel buttons. Controlling it from the front panel buttons will tell you if it's working.

Use a tape you don't care for too much to try out the VCR buttons.

If you don't have the manual, and you have the make and model, you might be able to find a digital copy of the manual online.

Failing that, you could try just reading the buttons on the front of the VCR and see what they say: play, stop, ffw (fast forward), rwd (rewind)

... or, if the buttons aren't labeled with words but have symbols instead, look for symbols such as
>> (fast forward)
<< (rewind)
> (play)
|| (or sometimes a box) stop
... and so forth ... and give those buttons a try.



VCR was given to me with no manual. So, I shall have to use the buttons on the front of it when I make my next attempt.



If you didn't throw out the remote and the leak wasn't too serious you should be able to clean it out. Although you don't want to be getting it all over the place, the battery leak isn't nearly as dangerous as I grew up thinking it was when my mom put the fear in god in me when she threw out one of my toys that had leaked.

Wear some gloves, and with a toothbrush and some vinegar you can neutralize and clean the leak. Then you'd just have to wait until everything was dry before powering it up again. A few days should do it.


If you've already thrown it out, I'm sure you could still find a Universal remote that you'd be able to get working with your VCR.

Try the buttons out first and make sure it works though. It probably will. Those things were built pretty good considering how many moving parts they had. The buttons are pretty self explanatory. You shouldn't need a manual for them. Kiki's post sums up any of the important functions you'd need.

The only thing you might be missing going forward without the proper remote would be any menu features that would allow you to program a time you wanted it to record when you weren't home. I think you could still get that with a universal remote, but it could be trickier to figure out. If you had no plans on ever recording stuff while you weren't there to hit the record button, you probably won't ever miss the remote once you get used to pressing the buttons on the face.

Like I said in my post to JSF above, the VCR I grew up with and ended up taking with me when I moved out never had a remote control when it was brand new.

And that thing was SO old that you couldn't get a universal remote to work with it since it wasn't even designed with a receiver to pick up any remote signals.



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I did get rid of the remote as I didn't feel like trying to clean it up. Duracell batteries are bad for leaking at least the ones sent up here.

I doubt I would be recording anything. I just have some tapes that I want to watch is all for a change from a DVD.

Forgot to look the manual up on line. I might do that. I hate universal remotes as I said as they don't seem to like my older stuff. Tried one for my tv and it never did work.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 4:38 PM

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SUMP PUMP TV is now broadcasting.

That little thing is amazing for $16.

I'm not going to be paying the $30/yr. to have cloud storage though, so it's pretty much just something I can watch on my TV or tablet when I want to monitor it. I am able to manually force it to take video whenever I want, and that gets stored directly on the tablet, so when we've got some rain and it gets a lot of action it should be pretty cool to watch.

No more going down there unless I'm actually working on something.



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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 4:57 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
SUMP PUMP TV is now broadcasting.

That little thing is amazing for $16.

I'm not going to be paying the $30/yr. to have cloud storage though, so it's pretty much just something I can watch on my TV or tablet when I want to monitor it. I am able to manually force it to take video whenever I want, and that gets stored directly on the tablet, so when we've got some rain and it gets a lot of action it should be pretty cool to watch.

No more going down there unless I'm actually working on something.



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That's a tremendous time saver and a great idea, SIX!

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 5:31 PM

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Got back from my errands a while ago. Just enjoying a sit down for now.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 9:05 PM

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I managed to rake up another two bins of avocado leaves today (yep, still working on those leaves!) and will shred them tomorrow.

After that, the rest of the raking is just for cleanup and going in the greewaste bin(s).

After that continue to clear out the bed that was taken over by nasturtiums and borage and grass, in prep for planting the pepper plants that I started. I might try some bolt-resistant spinach, since we're big spinach fans.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
SUMP PUMP TV is now broadcasting.

That little thing is amazing for $16.

I'm not going to be paying the $30/yr. to have cloud storage though, so it's pretty much just something I can watch on my TV or tablet when I want to monitor it. I am able to manually force it to take video whenever I want, and that gets stored directly on the tablet, so when we've got some rain and it gets a lot of action it should be pretty cool to watch.

No more going down there unless I'm actually working on something.



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That's a tremendous time saver and a great idea, SIX!

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All thanks for the idea goes to Michael Reeves.

I actually got the idea from this video...



He mentions at some point that to put on the official Boston Dynamics camera addon to his robot dog it would have cost him $4,000... So he went on Amazon and bought a $30 camera instead.

I found one for $16.

Side-loading the app on my Firestick was pretty easy to figure out without any tutorials. You're technically not supposed to be able to do that since it's not an app in the Amazon store.

It's also got extremely limited functionality on the TV since the UI is designed for a touch screen to be present, but if I have my tablet out while I'm sitting on my couch I can move it around and zoom in with the tablet and watch the results on the TV screen.

The best thing is that if I don't exit the app and just power down the TV with the firestick remote, it pops right back up on screen the second I turn the TV on.

I watch so little actual TV or movies that I can pretty much have that video feed ready to pop up within a second's notice almost 24/7/365.

Now all that's left to see is how long the thing lasts before it breaks. It's an unbelievable deal for the price. I figure there's got to be a catch somewhere.



It's not exactly must-see-TV at the moment.

Would have been a lot more exciting if I had it installed 4 or 5 days ago.



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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 3:16 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
This is good news. Even after 5 times of forcing it out until the pump sucked air before making the alterations, it's still going off an average of at least 3 times per day, allowing water that never would have been able to make its way into the well get there now.


It's nice knowing that as soon as water can get to it, it will be going where it needs to go instead of building up like a dam and making it go places that it shouldn't have been going.

Sounds like you are likely pumping about 4 or 5 gallons per pump cycle, with a float range of about 5". About 8 hours between, or maybe 4 hours, if you missed hearing one at 5am.
Which is good productivity, at draining your foundation.

Sounds like the pump is now about 7 1/2" physically lower than the past 6 years. Pumps starts about 1" below the bottom of the inlet tube, and likely stops about 6" below the inlet tube.



This is data that would be good to know, at this point in time:
Go down to it, activate it until it almost sucks air, then wait 5 or 10 minutes - or until the water stops pouring into it from the inlet tube.
Then activate the pump again, until it just starts to suck air.
Then start the timer

After that 2nd manual activation, what is the surface level in the well after 1 minute? You can measure from the rim.
Then, what is the level after 2 minutes following the sucking air.
Then, what is the level after 5 minutes total?
After 10 min total?
after 15 min total?

Now that you have pump TV, it would be great if you get these measurements. You could record it, for reference.
If you get one time of interval before this test, that would be handy.
Then, for this test it would be good to just use the laundry water. I assume that a load of laundry water is enough to kick the pump on 2 or 3 times at least.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This is data that would be good to know, at this point in time:
Go down to it, activate it until it almost sucks air, then wait 5 or 10 minutes - or until the water stops pouring into it from the inlet tube.
Then activate the pump again, until it just starts to suck air.
Then start the timer

After that 2nd manual activation, what is the surface level in the well after 1 minute? You can measure from the rim.
Then, what is the level after 2 minutes following the sucking air.
Then, what is the level after 5 minutes total?
After 10 min total?
after 15 min total?

Now that you have pump TV, it would be great if you get these measurements. You could record it, for reference.
If you get one time of interval before this test, that would be handy.
Then, for this test it would be good to just use the laundry water. I assume that a load of laundry water is enough to kick the pump on 2 or 3 times at least.



Well right now we're up to hours before pump cycles. Water doesn't pour in anymore. You don't actually see anything happening at all, but you can hear it. There is enough coming in and rolling back down by the wall before hitting the top of the water in the well to hear a faint trickle.

Without putting on the washing machine, I'd say that right now you'd be hard pressed to see a difference between the level of the pump sucking air compared to 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes and possibly even 15 minutes.

If I let a laundry load go, it will be quite quick though. I can easily make that pump go of 2 times with a load and possibly 3 depending on how high it was before the laundry started emptying into it. That would all happen in a matter of 60 to 90 seconds or so.




I don't have any paint marks on the well yet. The walls are still grimy and constantly wet. Although the pump itself looks as sparkly clean as it did when I put it in, and you can actually see through the clear water to the bottom instead of the swamp water that had been in that well for years before I dug it down.


Any ideas how to get paint to stick to the sides? Cleaning products for the concrete as well as what type of paint/marker to use?

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:48 AM

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As an aside... any ideas for something I can wrap around the pipe where the 1/8" hole was drilled to prevent the pump from locking up because of the vacuum?


I was going to make that relief hole much lower and pointed downward in the new PVC pipe, but I had to re-use the old PVC coming out of the pump because my dumb ass glued the male-to-female PVC piece into the pump and it wasn't coming out. (I ended up adding a shorter length in between that and the new check valve with a rubber coupler.

So even though the thing is a lot quieter now, there is a ton of unnecessary splash back. It wasn't a problem when I could just cover immediately over the hole with a paver and then cover the whole thing up with visqueen, but now that I have a camera on there it is a problem. I still don't have full view of the well either since I still have to leave that paver on top otherwise water will get all over the place.

I'm sure there's something I can come up with. Maybe I can fabricate something out of a small piece of the sheet metal I used for roof repairs. Just something that the water would hit and go straight down into the well instead of hitting the side of it like a miniature fire hose.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 12:47 PM

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Contact paper suuuuuuuuuuuuuux!

6 of 8 cabinet floors I need to finish today are done. The cabinet above the mic/stove with the holes and the 2nd lazy susan being the most difficult, with the other 4 just being a regular PITA.

I did install the brackets for the LS after I got the contact paper down on that one. I had to look back through my pics to make sure I was putting the right ones on the top and the bottom.

These cabs look so much nicer with the finished hardware than the pictures before I took anything down.



I think I might just paint all the shelves first before I go and do the doors. That way I can get all the contact paper BS out of the way. At least when I'm doing the shelves they should be a lot easier since I can do them anywhere and I don't need to be standing on the ladder and doing them inside the cabinets.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 1:19 PM

BRENDA


Out for a walk soon. Another beautiful day.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:05 PM

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Assuming he doesn't hold on to it for too long or continue to buy in, my buddy is probably a millionaire today on AMC.

I can't be too salty I didn't buy in at $9 when he told me to. With how little I ever would have been willing to gamble I'd only have been up about $15k right now if I went all in.


Que sera sera...

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This is data that would be good to know, at this point in time:
Go down to it, activate it until it almost sucks air, then wait 5 or 10 minutes - or until the water stops pouring into it from the inlet tube.
Then activate the pump again, until it just starts to suck air.
Then start the timer

After that 2nd manual activation, what is the surface level in the well after 1 minute? You can measure from the rim.
Then, what is the level after 2 minutes following the sucking air.
Then, what is the level after 5 minutes total?
After 10 min total?
after 15 min total?

Now that you have pump TV, it would be great if you get these measurements. You could record it, for reference.
If you get one time of interval before this test, that would be handy.
Then, for this test it would be good to just use the laundry water. I assume that a load of laundry water is enough to kick the pump on 2 or 3 times at least.

Without putting on the washing machine, I'd say that right now you'd be hard pressed to see a difference between the level of the pump sucking air compared to 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes and possibly even 15 minutes.

OK, fine. So then DO IT. It doesn't help to hear your guesses or imaginings. That is why I asked to perform the test, now, without others factors confusing the results.
Quote:


If I let a laundry load go, it will be quite quick though. I can easily make that pump go of 2 times with a load and possibly 3 depending on how high it was before the laundry started emptying into it. That would all happen in a matter of 60 to 90 seconds or so.

Great. Start the test sequence after the laundry water is done pouring in.
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I don't have any paint marks on the well yet. The walls are still grimy and constantly wet. Although the pump itself looks as sparkly clean as it did when I put it in, and you can actually see through the clear water to the bottom instead of the swamp water that had been in that well for years before I dug it down.


Any ideas how to get paint to stick to the sides? Cleaning products for the concrete as well as what type of paint/marker to use?

I would use those scrub pads, we used to call them green scrubbies. Probably called Scotch scrub pads, flat green and we used to hang them up on Velcro to dry. You already have the water right there to scrub off the crud.

Like I said, PAINT PEN. Yellow color, unless you prefer something else.

If you suck air, then use heater/hair dryer to dry that well wall, should be easy. If water coming in, maybe dry the paint after application.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
As an aside... any ideas for something I can wrap around the pipe where the 1/8" hole was drilled to prevent the pump from locking up because of the vacuum?


I was going to make that relief hole much lower and pointed downward in the new PVC pipe, but I had to re-use the old PVC coming out of the pump because my dumb ass glued the male-to-female PVC piece into the pump and it wasn't coming out. (I ended up adding a shorter length in between that and the new check valve with a rubber coupler.

So even though the thing is a lot quieter now, there is a ton of unnecessary splash back. It wasn't a problem when I could just cover immediately over the hole with a paver and then cover the whole thing up with visqueen, but now that I have a camera on there it is a problem. I still don't have full view of the well either since I still have to leave that paver on top otherwise water will get all over the place.

I'm sure there's something I can come up with. Maybe I can fabricate something out of a small piece of the sheet metal I used for roof repairs. Just something that the water would hit and go straight down into the well instead of hitting the side of it like a miniature fire hose.

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Not completely sure what you are looking to do.

If trying to seal it, then that wet seal or Flex Seal stuff from TV and now in stores would likely work.


If just a splash diverter, then a few ideas.

Just a piece of plastic, with a hole on one side. Wedge it on one side of the pump, hole a few inches above the spout hole, the bottom against the well wall, and a zip tie around the pump casing and through the hole to keep it in place.


Another: take a plastic mayonaise jar, or similar. Empty of mayo. cut off the bottom of the jar. Cut through one side of the jar, from bottom to top. Maybe trim the top rim (the part that has threads, where the lid screws onto), to just barely less than the total circumference of the discharge pipe. slip the contraption around the pipe. Squeeze the top rim around the pipe, and hose clamp that in place, tight. The remaining loose-hanging shell of the jar hangs over the hole, effectively a hood.

Or a chunk of used rubber tire. wrap a piece around the discharge pipe. hose clamp the top of it, above the hole. The hole spurt will push the tire flap away, and be diverted down.


Do those make sense?

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:04 PM

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SIX: you have water seeping thru your block walls?

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:11 PM

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Well, over the past couple of days managed to drag dear daughter's dresser into her room, a rake up enuf leaves to fill both 65-gal bins and shred them today.

Those will be the last leaves I shred for this season. Any more leaves that I rakeup are going into greenwaste. Strictly cleanup, no recovery bc the closer I get to the dirt the more grasses and weeds (and their seeds) and sticks I pick up, and I don't want to be breaking my strings and spreading unwanted seeds around.

One of the things that was hanging me up on the front yard was bc there are SO MANY things to do I wasn't sure where to start, but I finally figured out my sequence and I can move forward with a plan where I won't be undoing or re-doing previous work.



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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:21 PM

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Quote:

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Well, over the past couple of days managed to drag dear daughter's dresser into her room, a rake up enuf leaves to fill both 65-gal bins and shred them today.

Those will be the last leaves I shred for this season. Any more leaves that I rakeup are going into greenwaste. Strictly cleanup, no recovery bc the closer I get to the dirt the more grasses and weeds (and their seeds) and sticks I pick up, and I don't want to be breaking my strings and spreading unwanted seeds around.

One of the things that was hanging me up on the front yard was bc there are SO MANY things to do I wasn't sure where to start, but I finally figured out my sequence and I can move forward with a plan where I won't be undoing or re-doing previous work.



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I watched a This Old House episode with Tim Allen as guest (it was part of a pact, Bob Vila did a guest spot on Home Improvement). Bob was showing Tim around the house. Tim asked to see the basement. Bob explained the basement was being remote-built offsite, and would be installed when it was done.

Try that.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:40 PM

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From 30 May.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It's about 28 minutes between cycles now, with a steady rise all day.

At this point, my guess is 108 cycles since 6:28PM up to the last cycle before midnight tonight.

At roughly 5.66 gallons per cycle, that would be 611 gallons in the last 30 hours, and there's been no rain for over 24 hours.



The pump didn't go off all that much with that first .90" rain we had (I wish I was keeping track... don't remember why I didn't). It had been a while since we got any rain at that point and the ground was pretty dry.

But after we got the following .95 or so inches, adding up to right about 1.9" in 72 hours, that's when it started going off a lot.


I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess 32 cycles tomorrow if we don't hit the floor. That would be another 181 gallons if that happens.




I'm going to be installing a wi-fi camera down there. Not sure what bells and whistles it's got, but my hope is that I'll be able to put the "sump pump channel" on my TV, and hopefully be able to get timestamps for all the future cycles instead of having to babysit it all day long. It's a lot harder to do because it makes about 1/10th as much noise as it did before I dug the well out.


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For your camera action, you might use a paint pen, probably yellow, to mark levels on the side of the well. Like the low mark, one minute after cycle stop, and high mark, and maybe each inch in between.


Another thing I'd like you to try. Tomorrow, if you can.
Go test your new drill pump, run to output to the toilet. or into a big pail, then dump into toilet.
I would hope you can do this for an hour. Prevent the pump from triggering.
Then time the intervals between cycles for several cycles.


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Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:17 AM

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OK, fine. So then DO IT. It doesn't help to hear your guesses or imaginings. That is why I asked to perform the test, now, without others factors confusing the results.



I say this because inadvertantly I'd already figured this out through experience.

At one point 2 days ago after I had installed the camera I spent a half hour waiting for that thing to go off so I could take a video with it for a test. From the level I was seeing on the camera, it looked as though it was ready to cycle immediately. Every minute, on the minute, I'd take a photo from the camera. The photos all look the same. It took so long that I almost missed taking the video I wanted to take because nothing was happening and I'd began losing my focus.

Making those paint marks will certainly come in handy for this in the future.

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If I let a laundry load go, it will be quite quick though. I can easily make that pump go of 2 times with a load and possibly 3 depending on how high it was before the laundry started emptying into it. That would all happen in a matter of 60 to 90 seconds or so.

Quote:

Great. Start the test sequence after the laundry water is done pouring in.


I'm asking you what purpose this will serve.

Quote:

I would use those scrub pads, we used to call them green scrubbies. Probably called Scotch scrub pads, flat green and we used to hang them up on Velcro to dry. You already have the water right there to scrub off the crud.


Yeah. I got some of those. I'll give it a shot.

Quote:

Like I said, PAINT PEN. Yellow color, unless you prefer something else.


I saw your later message where you posted a very long quote of yours with huge letters about the paint pen. I didn't miss that the first time either. I've just never heard of a paint pen before. I have a grout marker, which I guess you could call a paint pen.

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If you suck air, then use heater/hair dryer to dry that well wall, should be easy. If water coming in, maybe dry the paint after application.



Already got the hair dryer down there, so that shouldn't be a problem.

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