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Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:45 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Laundry went fine. Everything is working as desired now.

I found a website where I can upload a video and get a link without signing up for anything. I'll probably have a video of it in action uploaded over the next day or so.




A/C still works too. Nice.

Going to need it. It's mid to high 80's for the next week, but then it goes back down to the 60's and low 70's.

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Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:53 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Out in a bit for my walk on a bright sunny day and this afternoon new hearing aides. 1pm is appointment. So later peeps.

Are you in Pacific Time Zone? Mountain Time Zone?



Pacific time zone since I am on what is called the Lower Mainland of British Columbia.

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Friday, May 21, 2021 12:41 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



So, this is to no one in particular.

But I'm going to grumble about the quality of the meat lately. (I know - FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS!)

On yesterday's shopping trip I bought a whole bunch of chicken thighs at Trader Joe's. I've already noted to myself quite a while ago that they are in a rather heavy plastic tray, with a large and thick super-absorbent 'meat juice' pad in the bottom. And that the weight they charge is the total weight of the package, because they don't tare out the packaging (and of course also not the chicken juice(water) that seeps out of the chicken). And that the chicken is so freaking wet that when it gets cooked, it shrinks down to nothing at all. So that basically I'm paying chicken prices for plastic packaging and water. But yesterday's chicken was SOOOO wet, there was actually free liquid water running on the bottom of the trays.

Then I went to a local chain grocery store - Stater Brothers - to buy a few (heavy) items. But even though I usually drive a ways to get my meat, SB supposedly has a superior meat department, so I thought I'd get my pork there and give it a try. I looked and looked and looked and could not find a boneless pork loin roast. What meat department doesn't have a boneless pork loin roast or 2? So I asked the young dude behind the counter if they had boneless pork loin ... (puzzled look) ... ROAST! ... I added helpfully ... (still puzzled look). He obviously didn't know what I was talking about because he said ... looking at the pork in the display case ... I don't think so ... but maybe there's some pre-packaged in the display case over there. So I went and looked, nope, no pork roast. So I decided to go with boneless pork chops. But when he pulled them out of the case for me he was obviously getting the inferior ones, with many different muscles running through them, instead of the sirloin chops. (Though I'm not sure if he actually knew there were different kinds of boneless chops, since they were all just labelled 'pork chops' and on the same tray.) I didn't say anything but I mentally noted it. Anyway, because meat has been so wet lately, I decided ahead of time I was going to get and prep extra, and cook it, and divvy it after after it shrank down. So I got extra.

Today I pulled the package out of the frig, and the first thing I noticed when I opened it up was slightly sour smell. Not good. Then I noticed the 3/4C of water the chops were sitting in, in their plastic bag. Really not good. Then all the fat and silver-skin trimming I had to do. Another bad mark. Then there was the inconsistent thickness of the chops, not only from piece to piece, but from one end to the other, from about 1.75" to 0.5". And there were the random pieces of bone I had to pull out of some of them. And after I trimmed everything up and put it in a 1C of marinade ... I now have about 3C of water they're swimming in.

I don't know if it's a problem of a bad meat-counter manager in that particular store. Or if that really is better than everything else local. Or if it's a sign of the times - everybody's looking to keep prices down as much as possible by any means necessary, even if the quality is shit. Or what. But I can't say that that meat department is stellar, or even average. It aspires to be poor.

And now I'm going to harp like an old codger.

Back in the day ... when there were actual butcher shops ... things were better. First of all, there were no such things as plastic anything. No pre-packaged plastic trays, and no meat in plastic bags. Everything was wrapped with butcher paper, which was just nothing-special extra-wide rolls of brown paper. And that meant that they had to keep their meats drier, since wet meats would drip out of their packaging, soak through the paper and destroy the wrapping, and maybe even fall out of it. And you could point out a particular piece of meat and have something 'done' to it; for example, if they had had a boneless pork loin roast and were an old-timey place I could have asked them to cut it into chops and specified the thickness. And you could even whiff the particular piece of meat you wanted before you bought it.

Sigh.


Well, on with preparing the recipe.

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Friday, May 21, 2021 1:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


My frozen burgers taste just like they did before.

The chili with beans at Aldi sucks now though. Tastes like horse or dog meat is in there now.

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Friday, May 21, 2021 6:48 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I'm still trying to figure out the physics. If you look at a flowing system, the faster the flow (smaller the diameter), the less the sideways pressure. That gives airplane wings their lift, for example. But when the system becomes static (is plugged) all points are pressurized to the same pressure, no matter what the diameter, water being incompressible. OTOH just past the exit of a pipe, the wall pressure is zero, there being no walls. If the wall pressure where the walls are infinitely large(absent) is zero (other things at that point are holding the water together so that it doesn't explode in all directions at the exit of a pipe), then by analogy, the pressure on the walls should be smaller the larger the diameter, and higher the smaller the diameter. But then, if after you expand the pipe you narrow it again, that puts a crimp in the flow, leading it would seem to a pressurization of the bulbous area. I guess maybe the end result is ... is your narrower outlet a critical orifice compared to your inlet(pump)? If so, then your system is pressurized to the same pressure all the way through, even though it's flowing. But if not, and you have a headspace in your wider area, then your system is at atmospheric.



Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

With all your lies, bullshit, and trolling, sociopath SLOPPY, you haven't provided one honest answer to a simple yes/ no question.

SLOPPY, has Trump EVER been CONVICTED of tax fraud in a court of law?

Yes or no will do.


Until then, you can keep slinging all the bullshit you want, you're still a sociopath, not an American, and can't comprehend English.


SLOPPY - why do you never start any threads of your own but instead spend 100% of your time crapping up everyone else's? Is it because you really have NOTHING you want to discuss and are only here to troll?

Oh, btw, I really appreciate you replying to my posts! It gives me an excuse the keep posting the facts!





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Friday, May 21, 2021 6:48 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

With all your lies, bullshit, and trolling, sociopath SLOPPY, you haven't provided one honest answer to a simple yes/ no question.

SLOPPY, has Trump EVER been CONVICTED of tax fraud in a court of law?

Yes or no will do.


Until then, you can keep slinging all the bullshit you want, you're still a sociopath, not an American, and can't comprehend English.


SLOPPY - why do you never start any threads of your own but instead spend 100% of your time crapping up everyone else's? Is it because you really have NOTHING you want to discuss and are only here to troll?

Oh, btw, I really appreciate you replying to my posts! It gives me an excuse the keep posting the facts!





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Friday, May 21, 2021 6:49 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

With all your lies, bullshit, and trolling, sociopath SLOPPY, you haven't provided one honest answer to a simple yes/ no question.

SLOPPY, has Trump EVER been CONVICTED of tax fraud in a court of law?

Yes or no will do.


Until then, you can keep slinging all the bullshit you want, you're still a sociopath, not an American, and can't comprehend English.


SLOPPY - why do you never start any threads of your own but instead spend 100% of your time crapping up everyone else's? Is it because you really have NOTHING you want to discuss and are only here to troll?

Oh, btw, I really appreciate you replying to my posts! It gives me an excuse the keep posting the facts!






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Friday, May 21, 2021 10:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Child.

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Friday, May 21, 2021 11:00 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The pump has gone off two times that I know of since the laundry was finished. Once at around 1:00AM, and again at 9:00AM.

The cycles are now only 15 seconds compared to the 22 seconds before, but that's still a lot of water that wasn't being flushed out before the well was dug.

It's not going to be easy to hear it anymore. First, because it's a lot less noisy than it used to be. The relief valve is lower and not hitting an aluminum sheet I had installed along the end of the well to amplify it. And second because, at least for the next week, I'll have the window A/C on and the very loud fan pushing that cold air downstairs.

I was vaguely able to hear it at 1:00AM over the fan, but if I'm not actively listening for it I'm not going to notice it. I had turned the A/C off around 6:00AM because it got too cold so I had no problems hearing it at 9:00AM.



This is good news. Even after 5 times of forcing it out until the pump sucked air before making the alterations, it's still going off an average of at least 3 times per day, allowing water that never would have been able to make its way into the well get there now.

We're probably somewhere around 30 to 35 additional inches of water that has been removed from the well that was just sitting there before. (Or 34.9 to 40.7 gallons)

Maybe more.






It's nice knowing that as soon as water can get to it, it will be going where it needs to go instead of building up like a dam and making it go places that it shouldn't have been going.




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Friday, May 21, 2021 1:25 PM

BRENDA


Out for my walk in a bit on a bright sunny day. Need to make sure I put in my hearing aides. This is basically a bill pay and grocery trip today. Need something for supper but not sure what. Just finished up some chicken legs. I will think of something.

Long weekend up here and suppose to rain by Monday.

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Friday, May 21, 2021 1:55 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Out for my walk in a bit on a bright sunny day. Need to make sure I put in my hearing aides. This is basically a bill pay and grocery trip today. Need something for supper but not sure what. Just finished up some chicken legs. I will think of something.

Long weekend up here and suppose to rain by Monday.

Enjoy the nice sunny day!



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Friday, May 21, 2021 2:27 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The pump has gone off two times that I know of since the laundry was finished. Once at around 1:00AM, and again at 9:00AM.

The cycles are now only 15 seconds compared to the 22 seconds before, but that's still a lot of water that wasn't being flushed out before the well was dug.

It's not going to be easy to hear it anymore. First, because it's a lot less noisy than it used to be. The relief valve is lower and not hitting an aluminum sheet I had installed along the end of the well to amplify it. And second because, at least for the next week, I'll have the window A/C on and the very loud fan pushing that cold air downstairs.

I was vaguely able to hear it at 1:00AM over the fan, but if I'm not actively listening for it I'm not going to notice it. I had turned the A/C off around 6:00AM because it got too cold so I had no problems hearing it at 9:00AM.



This is good news. Even after 5 times of forcing it out until the pump sucked air before making the alterations, it's still going off an average of at least 3 times per day, allowing water that never would have been able to make its way into the well get there now.

We're probably somewhere around 30 to 35 additional inches of water that has been removed from the well that was just sitting there before. (Or 34.9 to 40.7 gallons)

Maybe more.






It's nice knowing that as soon as water can get to it, it will be going where it needs to go instead of building up like a dam and making it go places that it shouldn't have been going.




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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

Nice to know that the foundation is properly draining into the sump, but I think there may be more at play than the sump and pump depth.

During a rainstorm, over three days your pump handled something in the realm of 280 CUBIC FEET of water. That's 2,100 gallons! And it doesn't make a difference whether your foundation is being properly drained, because if it were that would only make the amount of water handled by your pump go up, not reduced.

You need to make sure that your dirt is graded and tubes are properly installed to direct downspout and rainwater as far downhill from your house as you can manage.

I believe that you're working on that item: You have the materials at-hand and are prepared to regrade and install. If all of that is accomplished and your pump is STILL handling excessive amounts of water after a rainstorm, then you need to be sure that water isn't being pumped out and just cycling back to your foundation thru additional breaks in your outflow pipe, especially ones within 20 ft of your house. How you do that is up to you, but it would need to be done.

The amount of water pumped per cycle in calculated by:

= Area* height
= pi * radius squared * (hi water level- lo water level)
= 3.1415 * (9.25*9.25) * (7"?)
= cubic inches of water pumped

divide by 1,728 to get cubic feet, and multiply by however many pump cycles you think adequately represent complete drainage of your foundation after a rainstorm (4 days- worth?)





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Friday, May 21, 2021 3:34 PM

SIGNYM

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Having a hard time getting up the motivation for that front-yard blitz. That's because right now all I'm doing is maintaining - weeding and pruning - and not working to a goal. And THAT'S because I still haven't been able to come up with an overall plan for the front.

But I think I'm making progress. I'm getting better at envisioning what might look good and what might not, and have cycled through (and rejected) several ideas.

There was a gardening club discussion summary that I found online, and the main idea was: Better with, or without?

And the one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb is that Norfolk Island ("star") pine, which massively towers over one part of the yard and creates a deep dense unwelcoming shade because the branches droop so low to the ground. So one of the things I can do right away is prune them up so that ppl can walk underneath.

Also, I have a mahonia repens to xplant because it's right in a pathway that I need for maintenance.

And then, there's weeding. Sprayed a few times already this year which has reduced the numbe of bins of weeds from a couple dozen (by this time last year) to maybe four, but I have cosmos and California poppy that come up every year that I like to keep because the poppies are bee- and mourning dove/finch-friendly and the cosmos are bee, butterfly, and goldfinch-friendly, but I find - like KIKI - that is a high-maintenance section because it requires hand-pulling weeds and grasses. Trying to figure out how to keep the plants without incurring so much labor.

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Friday, May 21, 2021 4:15 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Out for my walk in a bit on a bright sunny day. Need to make sure I put in my hearing aides. This is basically a bill pay and grocery trip today. Need something for supper but not sure what. Just finished up some chicken legs. I will think of something.

Long weekend up here and suppose to rain by Monday.

Enjoy the nice sunny day!



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.



I did. Just gorgeous up here the last couple of days after those storms.

Got some ground pork and a small can of tomato paste while I was out. When I got back, dishes done and paper recycling taken down to the bins.

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Friday, May 21, 2021 4:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The pump has gone off two times that I know of since the laundry was finished. Once at around 1:00AM, and again at 9:00AM.

The cycles are now only 15 seconds compared to the 22 seconds before, but that's still a lot of water that wasn't being flushed out before the well was dug.

It's not going to be easy to hear it anymore. First, because it's a lot less noisy than it used to be. The relief valve is lower and not hitting an aluminum sheet I had installed along the end of the well to amplify it. And second because, at least for the next week, I'll have the window A/C on and the very loud fan pushing that cold air downstairs.

I was vaguely able to hear it at 1:00AM over the fan, but if I'm not actively listening for it I'm not going to notice it. I had turned the A/C off around 6:00AM because it got too cold so I had no problems hearing it at 9:00AM.



This is good news. Even after 5 times of forcing it out until the pump sucked air before making the alterations, it's still going off an average of at least 3 times per day, allowing water that never would have been able to make its way into the well get there now.

We're probably somewhere around 30 to 35 additional inches of water that has been removed from the well that was just sitting there before. (Or 34.9 to 40.7 gallons)

Maybe more.


It's nice knowing that as soon as water can get to it, it will be going where it needs to go instead of building up like a dam and making it go places that it shouldn't have been going.

Sounds like you are likely pumping about 4 or 5 gallons per pump cycle, with a float range of about 5". About 8 hours between, or maybe 4 hours, if you missed hearing one at 5am.
Which is good productivity, at draining your foundation.

Sounds like the pump is now about 7 1/2" physically lower than the past 6 years. Pumps starts about 1" below the bottom of the inlet tube, and likely stops about 6" below the inlet tube.

After sucking the well dry 4 times the day before you left, the well refilled the full depth of about 13", and then went off at least once on your first night back (Wed), for 7".
Then you sucked air about 5 times on Thurs, which you figure was 15-20 inches.
So at least 35-40" have flowed into the well since you sucked air 4 times on Sunday before you took off. In a matter of 4 days.
Not including the amount that was already pumped out 4 times on Sunday.

Ignoring the water from laundry, some of this is likely from condensate drainage, now that your A/C is running. Condensate is heaviest the first couple times you turn on the A/C, because the humidity has built up over the winter. When it cools down again in the coming days/weeks, you'll be able to get a good idea of pump cycles intervals from just purely drainage tile flow.



This is data that would be good to know, at this point in time:
Go down to it, activate it until it almost sucks air, then wait 5 or 10 minutes - or until the water stops pouring into it from the inlet tube.
Then activate the pump again, until it just starts to suck air.
Then start the timer

After that 2nd manual activation, what is the surface level in the well after 1 minute? You can measure from the rim.
Then, what is the level after 2 minutes following the sucking air.
Then, what is the level after 5 minutes total?
After 10 min total?
after 15 min total?

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Friday, May 21, 2021 5:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF, this just happened to be the first thing I grabbed off the internet. In our house, each bathroom (sink, shower/tub, and toilet) has its own vent stack, the kitchen (sink, dishwasher) has its own vent stack, and the laundry area - which is back to back with a bathroom, shares the bathroom vent stack.

Quote:

Plumbing Vent Distances & Routing Codes

Plumbing vent distances, routing, clearances:

This article gives recommended or allowable distances from plumbing vent to fixtures, distdances from plumbing vent to building features like chimneys, windows, roofs, walls.

This article series includes definitions of plumbing vent terms, types of plumbing vents, plumbing vent size requirements, plumbing vent clearance distances to building roof, vertical walls, nearby windows, or plumbing vent distance to chimneys. We explain how plumbing vents work on buildings, why plumbing vent piping is needed, and what happens to the building drains when the vent piping is not working.

We also provide an ARTICLE INDEX for this topic, or you can try the page top or bottom SEARCH BOX as a quick way to find information you need.
Plumbing Vent System Distances & Routing

Plumbing vent terminology sketch (C) Carson Dunlop Associates The basic plumbing vent terms are shown in the sketch.

In these notes, the plumbing stack vents and other sketches included below are provided courtesy of Carson Dunlop Associates


https://inspectapedia.com/plumbing/Plumbing-Vent-Distance-Codes.php

Interesting.
It talks about code, but not what code. An example specifies New Zealand.

It appears that I have never lived in nor owned a house with plumbing to code. One build in 1964, and 2 built in the 1910s, others I don't recall build dates.

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Friday, May 21, 2021 5:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Jack, it sounds like the pump trigger level is far more effectively placed. It's so simple in concept, but getting there was so fraught in reality! As far as I can tell, the little underground 'lake' your house foundation was sitting in is now a number of inches lower, and now at a depth below your cellar floor. That's about as good as it gets when it comes to the sump trigger/ inlet placement.

Another thing that's been helping though is the relative lack of rain. Until you get a heavy soaking rainstorm you won't know for sure whether or not you've fixed the foundation-water issues, or if the underground lake has simply flowed away downhill.

I think Signy has good ideas. You should grade the soil around your foundation away from the house. If you can 'harden' the grade (attractively-placed flat rocks?) so that as much water as possible runs right off before it has a chance to soak in, so much the better. And you need to make sure your gutter water and sump outflow are directed as far away downhill from the house as possible.

Oh, moles eat grubs. So do raccoons, skunks, and rodents. If your 'burrowing' problem is moles, getting rid of grubs is the fix. (If your 'burrowing' problem is gophers, voles, or ground squirrels, it's an entirely different story.)

Since grubs eat roots, once you get rid of the grass and plants immediately around your house, you'll get rid of the roots in that area, therefore the grubs in that area, and hence, the moles in that area. But most people want to get rid of moles while maintaining their lawn and its tender, tasty roots that grubs love. Here are some fixes:
https://homesteadandchill.com/kill-grubs-beneficial-nematodes/
https://www.bobvila.com/articles/how-to-get-rid-of-grubs/

Anyway, I see the grade around your house in steps:
collapse existing tunnels
remove vegetation
create a significant grade
harden the slope

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Friday, May 21, 2021 5:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Signy, I haven't (yet) gotten to doing significant work on the yard. (I keep reminding myself you've been retired for a few more years than me, so of course I'm not where you are!) Aside from my hardscape plans to reduce the amount of dirt I have to deal with (create friendly walkways, sequester lead-contaminated soil, reduce water use, and reduce workload) - once I get rid of the Bermuda grass for good (that may take a couple of years, the roots go down to at least to 2.5' here, as I've discovered), I intend to have wildflower islands surrounded by mulch.

While many areas of California feature cheek-by-jowl plants - like your area which is natively coastal sage scrub - the Sierras have many deeply beautiful examples of patchy vegetation that you might use as inspiration.





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Friday, May 21, 2021 6:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Hey Brenda! I'm glad you had an enjoyable day!

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Friday, May 21, 2021 6:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Just saying hey! JSF!

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Friday, May 21, 2021 9:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Nice to know that the foundation is properly draining into the sump, but I think there may be more at play than the sump and pump depth.



Yeah... There probably is.

Quote:

During a rainstorm, over three days your pump handled something in the realm of 280 CUBIC FEET of water. That's 2,100 gallons! And it doesn't make a difference whether your foundation is being properly drained, because if it were that would only make the amount of water handled by your pump go up, not reduced.

You need to make sure that your dirt is graded and tubes are properly installed to direct downspout and rainwater as far downhill from your house as you can manage.

I believe that you're working on that item: You have the materials at-hand and are prepared to regrade and install. If all of that is accomplished and your pump is STILL handling excessive amounts of water after a rainstorm, then you need to be sure that water isn't being pumped out and just cycling back to your foundation thru additional breaks in your outflow pipe, especially ones within 20 ft of your house. How you do that is up to you, but it would need to be done.

The amount of water pumped per cycle in calculated by:

= Area* height
= pi * radius squared * (hi water level- lo water level)
= 3.1415 * (9.25*9.25) * (7"?)
= cubic inches of water pumped

divide by 1,728 to get cubic feet, and multiply by however many pump cycles you think adequately represent complete drainage of your foundation after a rainstorm (4 days- worth?)



Drainpipes are installed on the ones I knew were trouble. The other ones might not be now. All three remaining downspouts have very, very long metal extensions at the bottom (between 6 and 8 feet per).


Can't grade for keeps until I trench out the sides so I can clean and tar the foundation and give it some curing time. I think I'm going to throw a bunch of sections of leftover chicken wire down there perpendicular to the foundation while I'm at it and give the moles some blockades. They don't use the straight runs up against concrete as their hunting grounds. Those are their known fast travel runs. The hunting grounds just go all over the place and are never in straight lines.

I haven't actually seen any evidence of moles still after the 2nd time I put poison down. I've been crazy with bug poison around the foundation too, so there's that.

We're going to have to see where the next big rain takes me. I have a lot of data from the last time recorded to compare things to.

Now with the drainpipes getting the three worst downspouts all the way down the driveway and into the street, and the lowering of the sump pump, I'm hoping it's going to be night and day.






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Friday, May 21, 2021 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Jack, it sounds like the pump trigger level is far more effectively placed. It's so simple in concept, but getting there was so fraught in reality!



6 years of damage to the house. 3 1/2 miserable hours of work yesterday.

I assumed this was a problem last year, and I even mentioned it a few times in here, but I always found something else to do so I didn't have to go down there.

At least now I put an LED light down in that corner. I'm just leaving it on 24/7 so I can always look and see what the situation is without having to take a flashlight with me.

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As far as I can tell, the little underground 'lake' your house foundation was sitting in is now a number of inches lower, and now at a depth below your cellar floor. That's about as good as it gets when it comes to the sump trigger/ inlet placement.


Hopefully.

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Another thing that's been helping though is the relative lack of rain. Until you get a heavy soaking rainstorm you won't know for sure whether or not you've fixed the foundation-water issues, or if the underground lake has simply flowed away downhill.


Yeah. We've been blessed with an average rainfall this year for once. I'm sure another big rain is just around the corner though.

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I think Signy has good ideas. You should grade the soil around your foundation away from the house. If you can 'harden' the grade (attractively-placed flat rocks?) so that as much water as possible runs right off before it has a chance to soak in, so much the better. And you need to make sure your gutter water and sump outflow are directed as far away downhill from the house as possible.


Does hard rocks count toward the grade? This has all been confusing to me.

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Oh, moles eat grubs. So do raccoons, skunks, and rodents. If your 'burrowing' problem is moles, getting rid of grubs is the fix. (If your 'burrowing' problem is gophers, voles, or ground squirrels, it's an entirely different story.)


I believe I have moles and voles. The voles seem to like the hastas. Annoying, but not as big a concern to me as the moles are.

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Since grubs eat roots, once you get rid of the grass and plants immediately around your house, you'll get rid of the roots in that area, therefore the grubs in that area, and hence, the moles in that area. But most people want to get rid of moles while maintaining their lawn and its tender, tasty roots that grubs love.


Yeah, but the moles like the foundation for their fast travel runs. They don't hunt there. That's why I finally resorted to the smoke bomb poison, because within a week after I'd cave in a tunnel it would just prop it right back up.

But if I get rid of the bugs in the vicinity, it will probably go bother my neighbors that don't do any maintenance and not be my problem anymore.

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Here are some fixes:
https://homesteadandchill.com/kill-grubs-beneficial-nematodes/
https://www.bobvila.com/articles/how-to-get-rid-of-grubs/



Thanks. I'll check it out.

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Anyway, I see the grade around your house in steps:
collapse existing tunnels
remove vegetation
create a significant grade
harden the slope



Vegitation is gone except for the hastas. I'm keeping those.

Hope to get the rest of that done this summer.


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Friday, May 21, 2021 9:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sounds like you are likely pumping about 4 or 5 gallons per pump cycle, with a float range of about 5". About 8 hours between, or maybe 4 hours, if you missed hearing one at 5am.

Which is good productivity, at draining your foundation.



I'm happy with it so far.

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Sounds like the pump is now about 7 1/2" physically lower than the past 6 years. Pumps starts about 1" below the bottom of the inlet tube, and likely stops about 6" below the inlet tube.


Yeah. Pump sits 22" below top of well instead of only 14.25". Lowered the tether and shortened it a tad with the twist ties to make up the rest of the difference. Those measurements sound about right.

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After sucking the well dry 4 times the day before you left, the well refilled the full depth of about 13", and then went off at least once on your first night back (Wed), for 7".
Then you sucked air about 5 times on Thurs, which you figure was 15-20 inches.
So at least 35-40" have flowed into the well since you sucked air 4 times on Sunday before you took off. In a matter of 4 days.
Not including the amount that was already pumped out 4 times on Sunday.



Yeah. Could have been more. I was gone for over 2 days. Not sure.

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Ignoring the water from laundry, some of this is likely from condensate drainage, now that your A/C is running. Condensate is heaviest the first couple times you turn on the A/C, because the humidity has built up over the winter. When it cools down again in the coming days/weeks, you'll be able to get a good idea of pump cycles intervals from just purely drainage tile flow.


I noticed so much water had fallen from that unit on the 2nd floor last night that there was a pit in the wet dirt (it's in the hasta bed at the area twoard the fence between mine and my neighbor's house).

Not sure how much drained out of it last night, but it wasn't insignificant. That's very far away from the sump well, but maybe some of it got in there already.

Funny you mention that... I actually put a 5 gallon bucket right where it needs to be to catch all that water now. It's mostly hidden from the street by some other perennials that aren't hastas on that side.


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This is data that would be good to know, at this point in time:
Go down to it, activate it until it almost sucks air, then wait 5 or 10 minutes - or until the water stops pouring into it from the inlet tube.
Then activate the pump again, until it just starts to suck air.
Then start the timer



We're already way past that point. water is still at the end of the inlet tube, and you can tell that there's enough that it would fall under the inlet and down the side wall. There's not even a drip right now. But if I put my fingers there it's quite wet and when I remove them there's more water where I'd displaced it.

I had to go down and clean up some stuff I'd left last night like two very heavy buckets of muck and stones, but before I did I forced what was in there out till it sucked air. After that, my dehumidifier shot some water into it. Maybe 45 minutes later I forced the pump to turn on but didn't hold it until it sucked in air and just let it back into the water. It immediately shut off. So even with the dehumidifier ejecting into it, there wasn't enough water to even keep the pump on after forcing it to stay on until it sucked in air.

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After that 2nd manual activation, what is the surface level in the well after 1 minute? You can measure from the rim.
Then, what is the level after 2 minutes following the sucking air.
Then, what is the level after 5 minutes total?
After 10 min total?
after 15 min total?



I didn't do any tests this in-depth, so I can only guess. But I'd say that the needle barely moved after 15 minutes and the only reason it was noticeably higher was because of the dehumidifier.

I think at this point I'd have to test measurements by hours instead of minutes.




What I'm hoping for now is a much more steady action with the pump cycles. Small rains will actually be pumped away instead of sitting there for ages and waiting for harder rains to force them down.

When we get a hard rain like we just got, it should be a much more proactive pump cycle from the start instead of just sitting there not doing anything until it gets really bad and then ends up filling up every 4 to 5 minutes.

Time will tell.



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Friday, May 21, 2021 11:29 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Well, the day managed to be filled up with non-yardwork chores.

Not that I'm avoiding yardwork or anything.



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Friday, May 21, 2021 11:32 PM

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Hey Brenda! I'm glad you had an enjoyable day!



Yeah, it was a good day.

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 12:21 AM

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Well, the day managed to be filled up with non-yardwork chores.

Not that I'm avoiding yardwork or anything.



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All yardwork here today. Got my gutters cleared out after the helicopters fell. Five full grocery store bags full of them. Geez... I thought there'd be a lot less after cutting the other two trees down. They even managed to get in the far side of the garage which I didn't even think was possible.

Not so bad a job except for having to lug out the heavy fiberglass 12' ladder for the back of the house. It's fun moving that thing around. Especially when it's 85 degrees with 90% humidity.

Cleaned up most of the helicopters off the sand pit and the hasta bed. Had to rake them in the pit. I was able to use the blower in the hasta bed if I didn't go crazy with it. Don't want to blow my dirt away.

Cleaned off the curb and the driveway too.

And I sprayed the house and garage foundation, and up and down the walkway and driveway for bugs.

I tried fixing my hose spigot on the front of the house. That failed. The valve stem is toast, and unfortunately there's no company markings or a year stamped on it, so I don't think I can get a replacement kit (and they're not universal).

Unfortunately, it's installed on the first layer of siding, but under the 2nd layer of siding. I might have to take down a bunch of siding just to replace it, and I'm kind of afraid what I'd see underneath if I did that. I'm considering just capping it off and letting the next owner deal with it.

At least I got it so it doesn't leak anymore when it's turned off, but now the leak when it's turned on is about 50 times worse than when I took the damn thing out. So no more hose in the front of the house for now.


Cleaned up the sump work area when I was done and had a well deserved shower. A/C is working great and the house is super comfortable right now.



Just dealing with my first sunburn of the year. Nothing too drastic, but I realized it after I got out of the shower.

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 1:10 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Hey Jack - 'grade' is the level of dirt. So rocks placed on top don't elevate the 'grade'. OTOH if you had a lot of flat rock embedded in the dirt, so the top of the rocks were at the level of the soil. and if there wasn't a lot of dirt showing in between the rocks, the rock surface would be at 'grade', and your 'grade' would be mitigated against substantial rain penetration.

As for a leaky hose bibb, I had a leaky one but I didn't have the time to fix it when I discovered it. So I attached a very, very short length of hose, that had a really good shut-off nozzle at the end. I kept the hose bibb turned off anyway, but in effect the hose nozzle became my water shut-off against the faucet drips.

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Hey Jack - 'grade' is the level of dirt. So rocks placed on top don't elevate the 'grade'. OTOH if you had a lot of flat rock embedded in the dirt, so the top of the rocks were at the level of the soil. and if there wasn't a lot of dirt showing in between the rocks, the rock surface would be at 'grade', and your 'grade' would be mitigated against substantial rain penetration.



Yeah. That's kind of what I thought, but wasn't sure.

Won't be a problem on the front/back and side of the house. But where that low slab in the sand pit for the shed at the end of the porch is, that's another issue. I do plan on putting some sort of stone on the edge of everything when I finish it off so I can mow around it.

But that would probably look dumb in the hasta beds. I'd like to get some sort of covering for the dirt (not mulch that feeds the bugs I want to keep away from the house though!). But I don't want to do that until I'm fairly certain I've taken care of the moles though because as hard as it is to deal with them now I don't even want to know what it would be like if I couldn't even see their activitiy beneath gravel.

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As for a leaky hose bibb, I had a leaky one but I didn't have the time to fix it when I discovered it. So I attached a very, very short length of hose, that had a really good shut-off nozzle at the end. I kept the hose bibb turned off anyway, but in effect the hose nozzle became my water shut-off against the faucet drips.



The problem is it was a spigot designed for cold weather. When you take the front off with a wrench, it's got a 12" valve stem with a washer on the end of it. I was able to replace the washer (which stopped the minor drip from the spigot), but that wasn't the only problem.

I was never able to use the hose at full blast because only in one position about halfway was I able to get it so the water wouldn't leak out right behind the handle. It was a fairly big leak there if I didn't do it just right, so that hose has really not gotten a lot of use.


The 12" valve stem had cracks in it, which I tried to fix by putting apoxy on it and letting it bake in the sun all day while I worked. I don't think that was the problem though. There's a white piece that fits in right where you screw the packing nut into the pipe that was also cracked. I glued that too, but I don't think it did anything.

Long story short, the problem was much worse after I did what I did yesterday. Now I can close that off easily without any dripping without having to spend 15 minutes getting it closed "just right", but the second I turn the handle to anything beyond about 10% of full pressure, the spigot just bleeds water everywhere behind the handle now.


the plumbing supply store says that there are no universal kits. They make no promises that they could get me a replacement assembly, but if they can figure out what I need it would be a special order and take over a week to get in stock.

At this point, I probably should just cap the thing off anyhow. The hose is completely unusable now. Then one of these days I can take it up there and see if there's anything they can do.

It would be cheaper to install a whole new spigot, but I'm not sure what kind of can of worms I'd be opening by trying to take siding off that I may or may not even be able to get back on without taking a whole lot more down first.

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:34 AM

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I keep coming across this post. Perhaps it belongs here?

T




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Originally posted by 1KIKI:


SLOPPY - why do you never start any threads of your own but instead spend 100% of your time crapping up everyone else's? Is it because you really have NOTHING you want to discuss and are only here to troll?





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Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:49 AM

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OK, I think I understand the problem. Is there any part of the pipe that the hose bibb is on that sticks out from the siding? Alternately, can you access the pipe from inside or under the house? There are 'solder-less connections' compression fittings, that just use ordinary house tools. Perhaps there are similar fittings for hose bibbs. If there are, and you have naked pipe, you might be able to fix it by cutting off the bibb, and just dealing with the naked pipe. ... assuming you have a whole-house water shut-off.

OH! these might give you some ideas (formatted to not auto-load)

https: // youtu.be/P_DACtwy5_M
https: // youtu.be/cpeBuQEIeT8
https://www.amazon.com/Arrowhead-254CC-Compression-Hose-Bibb/dp/B00E0Q
B5VS


(At the time I had to call in a real plumber to fix mine, since the screw head that held the handle in place was completely destroyed (not by me - it came that way) and the bibb was actually soldered onto the pipe. So I couldn't disassemble it to repair it. And since there were no compression-fit hose bibbs at the time, I couldn't just replace it.)

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 4:16 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And the one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb is that Norfolk Island ("star") pine, which massively towers over one part of the yard and creates a deep dense unwelcoming shade because the branches droop so low to the ground. So one of the things I can do right away is prune them up so that ppl can walk underneath.

What do you do to "prune"?
Do you cut off an entire branch of it is too low? How/what do you decide to prune?



I was pondering something.
I live where we have 4 seasons. After cutting a tree, we can tell the age by counting the rings, which are the winters the tree has lived through.
Don't recall if AI have heard the answer before, but do CA trees have rings without winters? If so, how do the rings get generated? Other than by fires.

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 4:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Hey Jack - 'grade' is the level of dirt. So rocks placed on top don't elevate the 'grade'. OTOH if you had a lot of flat rock embedded in the dirt, so the top of the rocks were at the level of the soil. and if there wasn't a lot of dirt showing in between the rocks, the rock surface would be at 'grade', and your 'grade' would be mitigated against substantial rain penetration.



Yeah. That's kind of what I thought, but wasn't sure.

Won't be a problem on the front/back and side of the house. But where that low slab in the sand pit for the shed at the end of the porch is, that's another issue. I do plan on putting some sort of stone on the edge of everything when I finish it off so I can mow around it.

But that would probably look dumb in the hasta beds. I'd like to get some sort of covering for the dirt (not mulch that feeds the bugs I want to keep away from the house though!). But I don't want to do that until I'm fairly certain I've taken care of the moles though because as hard as it is to deal with them now I don't even want to know what it would be like if I couldn't even see their activitiy beneath gravel.

Quote:

As for a leaky hose bibb, I had a leaky one but I didn't have the time to fix it when I discovered it. So I attached a very, very short length of hose, that had a really good shut-off nozzle at the end. I kept the hose bibb turned off anyway, but in effect the hose nozzle became my water shut-off against the faucet drips.



The problem is it was a spigot designed for cold weather. When you take the front off with a wrench, it's got a 12" valve stem with a washer on the end of it. I was able to replace the washer (which stopped the minor drip from the spigot), but that wasn't the only problem.

I was never able to use the hose at full blast because only in one position about halfway was I able to get it so the water wouldn't leak out right behind the handle. It was a fairly big leak there if I didn't do it just right, so that hose has really not gotten a lot of use.


The 12" valve stem had cracks in it, which I tried to fix by putting apoxy on it and letting it bake in the sun all day while I worked. I don't think that was the problem though. There's a white piece that fits in right where you screw the packing nut into the pipe that was also cracked. I glued that too, but I don't think it did anything.

Long story short, the problem was much worse after I did what I did yesterday. Now I can close that off easily without any dripping without having to spend 15 minutes getting it closed "just right", but the second I turn the handle to anything beyond about 10% of full pressure, the spigot just bleeds water everywhere behind the handle now.


the plumbing supply store says that there are no universal kits. They make no promises that they could get me a replacement assembly, but if they can figure out what I need it would be a special order and take over a week to get in stock.

At this point, I probably should just cap the thing off anyhow. The hose is completely unusable now. Then one of these days I can take it up there and see if there's anything they can do.

It would be cheaper to install a whole new spigot, but I'm not sure what kind of can of worms I'd be opening by trying to take siding off that I may or may not even be able to get back on without taking a whole lot more down first.

If you want my advice: decide to visit at least 5 different stores (different chains), including local hardware stores like Ace, Hardware Hank, True Value, etc. Each of these places have faucet types which are not compatible with any other. If you already know how yours is assembled, look at each of these for similar types of part shapes and sizes. You might need to accept alterations, like from a square shaft with a nut on it to one with screw in it.
You will likely need to just buy the whole unit, or maybe 2 different units, and disassemble them to get/use the parts you need.
This is a royal PITA but it's the only effective way I've found to get it done.

I might be afraid to ask, but does this outside faucet also have an inside shut-off valve? One that should be turned off each winter so that freezing pipes do not burst and let all of your fresh water supply spray out of the house?

I would be willing to walk you through the process, but I don't think you'll listen.
But you should try to check if there actually is a shut-off valve to isolate your main water supply pipe from your exterior faucets - there should be. If yes, it makes your job easier, and less urgent. If not, keep in mind that is something you should plan to do. If you cap off the line indoors, then the faucet would just be a decoration until the next owner deals with it. If you are taking the faucet out anyhow, then you already know that the siding action is ahead of you, so might as well check it out.


kiki: This is a problem for hoses attached to an outside faucet - they need to be able to be absent during winter. this applies to Indiana, not sunny Russia like where you are. :P

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 4:33 PM

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Just saying hey! JSF!

???
Did I miss part of a conversation?

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 4:41 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF, this just happened to be the first thing I grabbed off the internet. In our house, each bathroom (sink, shower/tub, and toilet) has its own vent stack, the kitchen (sink, dishwasher) has its own vent stack, and the laundry area - which is back to back with a bathroom, shares the bathroom vent stack.

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Plumbing Vent Distances & Routing Codes

Plumbing vent distances, routing, clearances:

This article gives recommended or allowable distances from plumbing vent to fixtures, distdances from plumbing vent to building features like chimneys, windows, roofs, walls.

This article series includes definitions of plumbing vent terms, types of plumbing vents, plumbing vent size requirements, plumbing vent clearance distances to building roof, vertical walls, nearby windows, or plumbing vent distance to chimneys. We explain how plumbing vents work on buildings, why plumbing vent piping is needed, and what happens to the building drains when the vent piping is not working.

We also provide an ARTICLE INDEX for this topic, or you can try the page top or bottom SEARCH BOX as a quick way to find information you need.
Plumbing Vent System Distances & Routing

Plumbing vent terminology sketch (C) Carson Dunlop Associates The basic plumbing vent terms are shown in the sketch.

In these notes, the plumbing stack vents and other sketches included below are provided courtesy of Carson Dunlop Associates


https://inspectapedia.com/plumbing/Plumbing-Vent-Distance-Codes.php

Interesting.
It talks about code, but not what code. An example specifies New Zealand.

It appears that I have never lived in nor owned a house with plumbing to code. One build in 1964, and 2 built in the 1910s, others I don't recall build dates.

Forgot to mention. Of all of the home inspection reports I have read, of all the houses I have considered buying, I don't recall any one of them mentioning any problem with the plumbing, or plumbing venting. Any some of my guys were fantastic with their inspections.



So I am curious.
If you are able to tell me test results, I am interested.
These apply to bathroom sink, deep sink, kitchen sink, bathtub. No need to check the full volume on the bathtub, unless you already have it full.

1. With both faucets (hot and cold) on full blast, does the draqin kieep up, or does the basin start to fill up?
2. with the drain closed/stopped, how many seconds does it take to fill the basin with both faucets going full blast?
3. With both faucets, and the basin full, and the drain open, does the drain keep up with the incoming water volume?
4. With faucets off and basin full, once drain is opened, how many seconds does it take to drain the whole basin?

Obviously, you don't need to do this all at once, but as convenient. Home inspectors do all of this for each basin in the property, but that is not you.
I am wondering the results, as you come across them.

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 4:55 PM

BRENDA


Laundry done, walk in and dishes done.

Forgot to check the mail yesterday, so I did it today. Letter in box from BC Cancer and Breast Screening. It was just to inform me that my mammogram was clear (which I had sort of figured out from my doc just acknowledging that she had the report on Monday when I made an appointment. Also the tech said please come back in 2years).

So, that is one less thing on my mind.

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 5:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
It talks about code, but not what code. An example specifies New Zealand.



Most from Signy's link https://inspectapedia.com/plumbing/Plumbing-Vent-Distance-Codes.php reference the 'International Building Code', which according to wiki is rather over-named, as it's mostly for US use. In the US the relevant code used to be the UBC - Uniform Building Code. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Building_Code The International (US) Building Code has since replaced it, according to wiki.

BTW, I didn't see any examples in Signy's link that were related to NZ.

Also, fwiw, from the link

these states adopted the 2009 IPC section of the IBC
Alabama, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Michigan, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia (and others)

while these states adopted the 2006 version
Arizona, Arkansas, District of Columbia, Georgia, New York, South Carolina (and others).


I specifically looked up Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota building codes. Indiana, Illinois, and Minnesota have all adopted various version of the IBC at various times. Wisconsin adopted the IBC but only for new commercial buildings. It suggests the Uniform Dwelling Code (which doesn't appear to have a plumbing section), but each county/ municipality is free to adopt more or less stringent standards. That may be why you're unfamiliar with building codes, requirements, and practices elsewhere.

Indiana https://www.iabo.com/Current-Code
Illinois https://up.codes/codes/illinois
Minnesota https://up.codes/viewer/minnesota/irc-2018/chapter/new_3_2020/minnesot
a-residential-code#new_3_2020

Wisconsin https://www.plananalyst.com/wisconsin-building-and-residential-codes/



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Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:31 PM

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OK, I think I understand the problem. Is there any part of the pipe that the hose bibb is on that sticks out from the siding?



Just two tiny nubs. One pointing straight out that that the handle screws into after you put in the stem valve, and the other one going down at a 45 degree angle to attach your hose to.

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Alternately, can you access the pipe from inside or under the house?
Both inside AND under. On top of the foundation, and completely boxed in between two joists under the 1st floor, the floor of the first floor and the outer joist of the house that sits on the foundation (this is where it goes through to the outside). And of course, on the inside it's also blocked off somewhat by the copper pipe line to it.

It's an extremely tight and dark fit. All I can see of it is the copper nub going from the main pipe into the outer joist. On the outside, above two layers of siding I only see the two nubs I mentioned above.

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There are 'solder-less connections' compression fittings, that just use ordinary house tools. Perhaps there are similar fittings for hose bibbs. If there are, and you have naked pipe, you might be able to fix it by cutting off the bibb, and just dealing with the naked pipe. ... assuming you have a whole-house water shut-off.


I have a whole-house water shut-off. Unfortunately, I don't know where I'd cut the pipe.

From what I've read about these cold weather installs, it's highly unlikely it was just screwed on and it was either soldered or sweat in.

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OH! these might give you some ideas (formatted to not auto-load)

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https: // youtu.be/cpeBuQEIeT8
https://www.amazon.com/Arrowhead-254CC-Compression-Hose-Bibb/dp/B00E0Q
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(At the time I had to call in a real plumber to fix mine, since the screw head that held the handle in place was completely destroyed (not by me - it came that way) and the bibb was actually soldered onto the pipe. So I couldn't disassemble it to repair it. And since there were no compression-fit hose bibbs at the time, I couldn't just replace it.)




Sounds like you had the same problems I did. :) and/or :(


After stripping the screw to get the handle out because it was rusty as crap and liquid nails didn't help, I used a tool to get stripped screws out with my cordless drill.

Under that, an "O" ring was broken.

I went to the hardware store and got a washer assortment, an O ring assortment and the closest #10-24 length screw match I could find for the one I stripped (3/4", but it was a tad too long, and 1/2" would have been way too short). The screw was too long, but I fixed that with a metal washer I had on hand.

The #7 O ring was too small, but the #8 O ring is too big. I went with the bigger one. It's harder to turn it, but that stopped any and all leaking out of the handle.

Because the stem valve piece of shit plastic piece Uncle Bob installed when he put the cheapest spigot on the shelf in there, it allows you to overturn if you make it too tight and then water comes out fast again. Because of this, even though a washer in the pack was the perfect fit, I didn't use one of those. I doubled up on 2 of them I had fabricated from printer parts with a coping saw yesterday, found a longer screw with the same thread pattern and had about 2.5 times the washer width at the end.


Everything seems to be working fine now, although you really need to baby it when you're tightening it up to close off the water flow.

We'll see how it goes.



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Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:41 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
If you want my advice: decide to visit at least 5 different stores (different chains), including local hardware stores like Ace, Hardware Hank, True Value, etc. Each of these places have faucet types which are not compatible with any other. If you already know how yours is assembled, look at each of these for similar types of part shapes and sizes. You might need to accept alterations, like from a square shaft with a nut on it to one with screw in it.
You will likely need to just buy the whole unit, or maybe 2 different units, and disassemble them to get/use the parts you need.
This is a royal PITA but it's the only effective way I've found to get it done.



Yes. It is a PITA. But I think I solved it for now as long as that shoddy stem valve doesn't disintegrate on me. The water was pouring out of the handle because the O ring was busted. I didn't know that yesterday because I couldn't get the rusted screw out of the handle, but I used the tool to remove stripped screws to get it out and got a replacement for that and the O ring.

The thing still is a piece of shit and probably wouldn't withstand somebody beating on it for very long, but at least I have a working hose again without any drips... at least for now.

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I might be afraid to ask, but does this outside faucet also have an inside shut-off valve? One that should be turned off each winter so that freezing pipes do not burst and let all of your fresh water supply spray out of the house?


No. Neither of my spigots do. But they both are cold weather spigots at least. The ones where the valve stem is 12" to 14" with a washer on the end and plugs up the water on the inside of the house. As long as the hose isn't attached at the end of the season, the water outside of the house is free to leave the spigot.

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I would be willing to walk you through the process, but I don't think you'll listen.
But you should try to check if there actually is a shut-off valve to isolate your main water supply pipe from your exterior faucets - there should be. If yes, it makes your job easier, and less urgent. If not, keep in mind that is something you should plan to do. If you cap off the line indoors, then the faucet would just be a decoration until the next owner deals with it. If you are taking the faucet out anyhow, then you already know that the siding action is ahead of you, so might as well check it out.



Yeah... I thought about this today. Capping that spigot off from the outside would not have been a good idea. Revisiting this spigot is on my to-do list in the future, but I've wasted 1 1/2 days on it now and at least it's doing what I need it to do again for the time being.




BTW... I was outside and heard the sump pump go off again around 10:00AM. Today, when I went to the hardware store I bought an outlet to socket adapter so I could put a 9watt LED bulb in the same outlet as the sump and just keep a light over it 24/7 from now on. I went down and put that in at around 4:00 and it looked to be about 2 inches from where it would empty again.

We haven't had any rain, so it is still slowly pulling in more water today.



Oh... and none of that is from the A/C yesterday. I only run it after 6:00PM and overnight, and when I went outside today there was about a gallon of water in the 5 gallon bucket. Glad I put that thing there.





ETA: Sump just went off again at 8:27PM.

So that's twice today that I know of. Not sure if it went off in between too. I'm going to guess no, but we're still looking at probably 2.5 times per day even though there's been very little rain since that big 3.6" storm.

Although I did add to it 2 nights ago with the A/C not having a bucket under it and again today while working on the spigot, but that's just incidental, really.

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Sunday, May 23, 2021 6:45 AM

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Laundry done, walk in and dishes done.

Forgot to check the mail yesterday, so I did it today. Letter in box from BC Cancer and Breast Screening. It was just to inform me that my mammogram was clear (which I had sort of figured out from my doc just acknowledging that she had the report on Monday when I made an appointment. Also the tech said please come back in 2years).

So, that is one less thing on my mind.



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Sunday, May 23, 2021 7:19 AM

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So, Saturday:

Walk dog (45 min, we went farther than I had planned but the weather was glorious)
Fix bfast for hubby
Strip chicken from cooked chicken carcasses for dog food while chatting with hubby about world affairs, return bones to pot for bone broth and restart simmering
Wash dishes
Add second tier to the tomato cages since tomatoes are already taller than the first tier, weed and water ti whole veggie garden (BTW I got my first "harvest" a couple of days ago, since I had to thin the beets I used the beet greens in beef stew)
Bin more avocado leaves
Dig up weeds and grasses from frontyard - just one more hour to go for the "star pine" section (My next step is to rake smooth and spray a commercial weed preventer)
Strain and store bone broth
Make dinner (glazed pork chops, cauliflower for hubby and me, shirataki noodles for deardaughter, creamed spinach)
Tidy kitchen
TV time with family
Take dog out for a short walk/potty break before bed, since she refused to go into the backyard (prolly smelled the half-grown coyote that's been hanging around the neighborhood for about a week so far)
Collapse in bed

Here I am at 3:30 AM the following morning, sipping tea before heading off to the couch to finish my night's sleep, since 3.5 hours of yardwork has left me achey and needing to sleep in a different position than the first 3 hours of sleep.

Today upcoming about the same, except I anticipate only one hour of digging necessary and have to sort the mail instead. Plus yardwaste bins are full and need to go out for Monday.

Oh! And I got my two 8-oz cans of wood stain plus 1 qt pretreatment, and dear daughter and I will try the two stains on scrap pieces of wood to see which stain will match the legs being fabricated by hubby to the existing furniture. I'm really looking forward to this, since I expect we might have to use BOTH stains (old oak, mahogany) to get the right color, and this will give me practice with wood staining bc at some point I'm going to have to match Baltic birch ply to Euro steamed beech. Happy thoughts!

Tomorrow and the next few days aniticpated to be hotter, so I'll xfer my yardwork to the backyard where it's shadier and rake up more avocado leaves, and (if I have two binsfull, which I prolly will, shred them into mulch. Since the avocados have FINALLY stopped dropping their leaves I'll be able to catch up, over several days of raking and shredding. But when I finish that depends on how long my energy holds out.

I'm still very pleased with how well the avocado leaves came in, and will need to mark my next-year's calendar to release predatory mites in mid-April, not wait until May.



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Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:11 AM

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Damn... That's a busy Saturday.

Spent most of my day on that valve. Didn't want to feel like the day was totally wasted since it's only probably a temporary fix, so I mowed the front lawn again. I shouldn't say it was a total waste though. I did learn a lot and the inside of spigots aren't a complete mystery to me anymore.

Most of the dandelions are done, but most of the helicopters have fallen and I wanted to get them up. Hopefully my days of mowing every other day are just about done for the year now.

After showering I was outside on the front porch enjoying a cool down when I glanced up at that filthy dead bug cemetary I call my front porch light, and I finally went in and got my step stool and Shark vacuum and sucked up whatever I could before spraying it down with the LA cleaner. I forgot how bright that light was supposed to be.




Sump just went off again at 8:00AM. So that's 10:00AM (roughly) and 8:27PM yesterday and 8:00AM today. No rain, A/C has a bucket under it and the laundry wasn't used and isn't a factor anyhow. Maybe I'll take a look at it around noon to see where it's at so I can make an educated guess if I've been missing any cycles or if I'm hearing all of them.

Think I'm going to take apart that garbage disposal today and see if I can't fix the leak with some plumbers putty. It'd be nice to be able to get it hooked up again and to use the left sink basin.

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Sunday, May 23, 2021 10:16 AM

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The 80 degree temps just keep creeping later into next week...

Some rain here and there, but nothing too drastic until Thursday into Friday where we're supposed to get over an inch. Won't be a good test like a 3.6" rain, but I should at least be able to see the new fixes in action.

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Sunday, May 23, 2021 5:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Laundry done, walk in and dishes done.

Forgot to check the mail yesterday, so I did it today. Letter in box from BC Cancer and Breast Screening. It was just to inform me that my mammogram was clear (which I had sort of figured out from my doc just acknowledging that she had the report on Monday when I made an appointment. Also the tech said please come back in 2years).

So, that is one less thing on my mind.



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Sunday, May 23, 2021 5:15 PM

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Lazy Sunday by me but I did manage to get a little more retyping done on my book and listen to a bit of music.

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Sunday, May 23, 2021 6:19 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I know dreams are boring for everyone else but the dreamer ... but I had the strangest dream last night.

I was touring SK with a bunch of SK acquaintances who were showing me the sights. And in my dream, the latest thing in SK was indoor drive-through shopping malls - genuine interior spaces, with mosaic-tiled floors, except more roomy, with lanes for cars ... where one could either stroll or drive ... complete with drive-through restaurants. We were strolling, but the occasional black-with-tinted-windows high-end sedan would mosey through. Anyway, we went to a very popular restaurant in that mall, that specialized in serving 'mystery food' - food that was one thing but made to be like another, like turkey made into beef-tasting hamburgers; but anyway, there was plenty of non-mystery white rice around. And in THAT particular mall there was some very atypical exposed piping rather high-up, which had become a 'feature', where the thing to do was the see if you could get one sneaker to wrap around it. So that section had been redesigned slightly to accommodate the sneaker-throwers. And once could purchase sneakers to try one's hand. So I was thinking - oh, this is just like a bola but with only one weight ... (which for some reason I knew how to use) ... as I was busy throwing the sneaker and watching it wrap around the pipe (impossible irl) my companions were happily chatting with each other and laughing trying to figure out how to do that ...

... where did all THAT come from?

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Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:52 PM

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So that beautiful cast iron/porcelain sink is too big to fit my cabinets. :(

That's alright... I ended up re-using their rich-people garbage disposal, and I also re-used their drain for the other side of the basin.

I woke up this morning not knowing how to install a garbage disposal or a new strainer and now I do.



It really isn't all that hard. The hardest part was cleaning off all of the excess plumbers putty that not one, but TWO Uncle Bob's in two different houses used when they installed the sinks.

YOU DON'T PUT PLUMBERS PUTTY IN ANYTHING THAT'S THREADED!!!!!!!

I had to knock off the old garbage disposal with a hammer, and I busted the ring on the nasty old strainer by trying to knock it off with a screwdriver and a hammer.

Fortunately, even though a ton of putty was used on rich-people's sink, the strainers and the mounting brackets for the strainer and disposal unit were about 100 times better than what I had and were easy to get off despite the horrible plumbing job. It just took me about 90 minutes to clean it all off so I could use any of it.


I had to wire up the electric again and put in a new junction box/switch/cover. I also put in a few new whips from the old electric since Uncle Bob only left himself with 1 1/2" nubs that I don't even want to know how he got on the old switch.


Not a single leak now, and I put it all through a lot of tests. Everything is clean down there too, and the new disposal looks more like a thing of art instead of a machine. It's extremely quiet compared to the old one and it hardly vibrates at all despite being more powerful.

I'm done with plumbing for a while. Good riddance.



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Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:55 PM

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I know dreams are boring for everyone else but the dreamer ... but I had the strangest dream last night.

I was touring SK with a bunch of SK acquaintances who were showing me the sights. And in my dream, the latest thing in SK was indoor drive-through shopping malls - genuine interior spaces, with mosaic-tiled floors, except more roomy, with lanes for cars ... where one could either stroll or drive ... complete with drive-through restaurants. We were strolling, but the occasional black-with-tinted-windows high-end sedan would mosey through. Anyway, we went to a very popular restaurant in that mall, that specialized in serving 'mystery food' - food that was one thing but made to be like another, like turkey made into beef-tasting hamburgers; but anyway, there was plenty of non-mystery white rice around. And in THAT particular mall there was some very atypical exposed piping rather high-up, which had become a 'feature', where the thing to do was the see if you could get one sneaker to wrap around it. So that section had been redesigned slightly to accommodate the sneaker-throwers. And once could purchase sneakers to try one's hand. So I was thinking - oh, this is just like a bola but with only one weight ... (which for some reason I knew how to use) ... as I was busy throwing the sneaker and watching it wrap around the pipe (impossible irl) my companions were happily chatting with each other and laughing trying to figure out how to do that ...

... where did all THAT come from?



That sounds like a mall that would be in SK. Maybe you had a psychic event instead of a dream.

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Monday, May 24, 2021 3:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I know dreams are boring for everyone else but the dreamer ... but I had the strangest dream last night.

I was touring SK with a bunch of SK acquaintances who were showing me the sights. And in my dream, the latest thing in SK was indoor drive-through shopping malls - genuine interior spaces, with mosaic-tiled floors, except more roomy, with lanes for cars ... where one could either stroll or drive ... complete with drive-through restaurants. We were strolling, but the occasional black-with-tinted-windows high-end sedan would mosey through. Anyway, we went to a very popular restaurant in that mall, that specialized in serving 'mystery food' - food that was one thing but made to be like another, like turkey made into beef-tasting hamburgers; but anyway, there was plenty of non-mystery white rice around. And in THAT particular mall there was some very atypical exposed piping rather high-up, which had become a 'feature', where the thing to do was the see if you could get one sneaker to wrap around it. So that section had been redesigned slightly to accommodate the sneaker-throwers. And once could purchase sneakers to try one's hand. So I was thinking - oh, this is just like a bola but with only one weight ... (which for some reason I knew how to use) ... as I was busy throwing the sneaker and watching it wrap around the pipe (impossible irl) my companions were happily chatting with each other and laughing trying to figure out how to do that ...

... where did all THAT come from?

Sometimes dreams just come whole-cloth. Like the dream that I had, that wasmore like a story, about a woman of a desert tribe who's father kept dangling her as a marriage until she was too old to be married, and in vengeance she conspired with her cousin to bring her father down. "A nimbus of unborn babies flickered around her head" In it, the story said something about vultures not having to follow the stricture of waiting three days until after death.

Yep, where did THAT come from???

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Monday, May 24, 2021 8:00 AM

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So, Sunday:

B'fast for hubby
Dog walk (only half hour)
Dishes and KP. Unlike KIKI, I don't have an invasion of ants so I don't do them every day, I rinse and stack them if I'm busy with something else. But 2-3 days of cooking and eating for3 really piles up the dirty dishes, so that was 1.5 hours, or more, of wshing dishes and scrubbing pots and pans!
Sort mail.
Finish digging up weeds in the star pine section of the front yard (which was the worst)
Set two 65-gal bins of weeds at the curb, with another 33-gal bin waiting for an empty big bin
Make Swedish meatballs, cauliflower/noodles, sweet potato and creamed spinach for dinner
Family TV time
Collapse into bed

The water-thirsty plants are looking stressed and a lot of things need water, but I don't want to water the star pine part of the front yard and restart the whole weed/grass seed germination cycle again. Fortunately, many of the desired plants are in pots inthe ground, soI can spot-water them with the hose and skip that part of the irrigation cycle until I've sprayed with pendimethalin pre-emergent weed preventer which needs to be watered in anyway. So my must-do yardwork for today is to give everything that needs it a thorough watering, and if I have any time/energy leftover I'm going to clear a spot in the nasturtium bed for the cantaloupe, bc it can't keep languishing in a pot forever. That plus finish applying for an account which will give us access to worldwide investment opportunities.







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Monday, May 24, 2021 11:08 AM

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That's a lot of yard work...

Any chance you could find another gardener to work with now? I know you find some enjoyment doing it, but it sounds like it's eating up a lot of your time Sigs.

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