In the garden, and RAIN!!!! by SIGNYM

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Hope you are joking about the painkillers Sigs. Glad you're feeling better and the dog's doing well.

Wish I was joking but I'm not. The drug must have worn off bc I feel like shit, again.

I hate to keep complaining, but for the past two weeks (or more) my left foot has been swollen across the instep and hurting so bad at times I thought I had a stress fracture in it. I had to have dear daughter do the grocery shopping for me while I waited in the car and answered her questions by text for a couple of weeks.

Just about the time that my foot starts calming down, my neck cranks up. And THAT was so painful at times it made me sick to my stomach and gave me a headache. So I treated it aggressively, and my neck is beginning to calm down, but now my left shoulder hurts so bad I can only lift may arm showly and carefully, and certainly not take down anything heavy from the cupboard ... like a plate... bc I'm afraid I'll drop it.

I try to get thru what I need to get thru, but it's frustrating to hurt all.the.time. and if I can't figure out how to make it better ultimately I'll be disabled.

I think KIKI can relate; she went thru something similar.

And this all started after I took an antibiotic (Levaquin) three years ago! I was just looking over the inet and I see a lot of stories similar to mine, of people who took the medication months or years ago and can no longer walk up a flight of stairs or open jars or do the housecleaning.

I'm going to figure out a solution for this. I have to.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:08 AM

I hope you're able to. I've seen how the painkiller solution turns out, and as tempting as it may be, it's not the long term solution I'd advise to anybody.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:28 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Signy - since you're feeling like crap, again, may I suggest ...

I think you're not quite as bad off as before. So, I think you need to take time off of your busy schedule and focus on .you. to run some experiments.

Try these separately to see which does the most good if you have them at home (listed in no particular order):
heating pad
anti-inflammatory (ibuprofen or equivalent that's gentler on the kidneys)
anti-nerve pain (Lyrica)
muscle relaxant (valium)
musculoskeletal pain (opioid)

Also, as I recall, you have serious neck vertebrae problems. This may be the time to revisit the idea of a check to see how they're going, and physical therapy, and (possibly) surgery.

Also, fwiw, I used to have traveling pains but they weren't like your traveling pains. They really did cut down on my ability to get things done but the only time I was basically disabled was when I had (and still sometimes get) serious back problems due to several areas of spinal arthritis, displaced vertebrae, etc.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 1:47 PM

Out for my walk. It's dry now. Hope it stays that way. Need groceries and to post something. So later peeps.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:28 PM

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KIKI I've been doing biofreeze during the day and pregabalin, meloxicam (like ibuprofen but stronger), heat patch, and wine every night because my neck is worst when I sleep. Also, sleeping on the couch bc I can prop myself up and sleep in a neutral position. Seemed to be helping for two nights but last night I must have laid down funny bc my neck is hurting enough to keep me awake. Prolly compensatng for my left shoulder.

I tried the anti inflammatory cream diclofenac, which is supposed to be like ibuprofen but topical, on my shoulder last night. May as well have put on skin cream.

I didn't do any gardening, or much of anything yesterday, so why my shoulder should start hurting in the evening all of the sudden is a mystery. But I know for sure I tweaked my neck last night.

Right now, I have a chemical heat patch on my neck, held on by an ace bandage which is also stabilizing my neck, which my neck appreciates a lot more than the cervical collar.

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I corrected the errors caused by pain disctraction. I also have a heat patch and wrap on my left shoulder. Thank goodness hubby is an expert at wrapping ace bandages!!

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:26 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Let's see ... biofreeze is a topical agent that provides a skin-generated sensation that might block pain sensations from reaching the spine (like a chemical TENS), but otherwise doesn't address pain (either indirectly as an anti-inflammatory or centrally).

So, because it doesn't really address pain centrally or the causes of pain, taking out biofreeze from the experience with things you tried, currently you're using ---
neck: heat (injury, muscle spasm), mechanical support
shoulder: diclofenac (inflammation), heat (injury, muscle spasm), mechanical support

From earlier it sounds like either the meloxicam (inflammation) or pregabalin (nerve pain) worked well since the 2 of them together were effective. Perhaps try a few doses of meloxicam (as per label or prescription dosing instructions) (since you may have more of those, try them first) to rule out inflammation ...

Shoulders are extremely sensitive to minor tissue swelling since the brachial nerve has such tight clearance. But as I recall you had shoulder pain going down to your hand in the past that was caused by a pinched nerve in your neck. In general, arthritic pain only goes as far as one joint in either direction. So for example when my shoulder arthritis was really bad, I felt it across to the middle of my clavicle and down to my elbow. If your shoulder pain is going past the next over joint in either or both directions, then it's probably not your shoulder.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:23 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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KIKI I've been doing biofreeze during the day and pregabalin, meloxicam (like ibuprofen but stronger), heat patch, and wine every night because my neck is worst when I sleep. Also, sleeping on the couch bc I can prop myself up and sleep in a neutral position. Seemed to be helping for two nights but last night I must have laid down funny bc my neck is hurting enough to keep me awake. Prolly compensatng for my left shoulder.

I tried the anti inflammatory cream diclofenac, which is supposed to be like ibuprofen but topical, on my shoulder last night. May as well have put on skin cream.

I didn't do any gardening, or much of anything yesterday, so why my shoulder should start hurting in the evening all of the sudden is a mystery. But I know for sure I tweaked my neck last night.

Right now, I have a chemical heat patch on my neck, held on by an ace bandage which is also stabilizing my neck, which my neck appreciates a lot more than the cervical collar.

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I corrected the errors caused by pain disctraction. I also have a heat patch and wrap on my left shoulder. Thank goodness hubby is an expert at wrapping ace bandages!!

Have you tried a bottle of Boost? I would be very interested in what results you have from that.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: I'm sorry for confusion. I meant CA overall, or NoCal and SoCal, if they are different.

I can understand Laguna Beach has changed, but many folk consider Laguna Hills, Laguna Niguel to be the same community as Beach. Niguel seemed to be a bit more affordable (and it had my favorite beaches), and I think Hills was more pricey.
PCH goes right through them, yards from the sand, and once cars are parked, the foot traffic was flowing, all establishments were welcoming. The only restriction, or non-friendly aspect I recall, was that the cops sometimes ticketed topless girls on the beach - I think the locals might complain, or the families visiting from ghost country.
For those who like to body surf, the coves of Laguna Niguel are awesome.

But I was wondering about all of Orange County, or SoCal. I can understand that LA is still a hellhole chock full of Libtard extremists, but overall, how is the economy, like maybe statewide. I had heard that beachfront property had dropped in price, and there was an exodus.
I had the impression that the Inland Empire was more susceptable to lagging economic forces.
True, that.
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But I liked the night life there.

For those not familiar, the old formula was about 4x the normal amount, per month, for beachfront rental during the 6 winter months - and that same amount per week during the 6 summer months.

SIGNY: You sound like an OC kinda guy.
From the various things you posted, like remembering some famous derecho, and catching fish from a lake, I had you sort of located in rural Wisconsin.
So, what's a guy so familiar with OC doing there? Or, how did a guy in rural Wisconsin get to OC? Were you a surfer? College student? Do tell!

JSF: Born and raised in a suburb (farm town) of Madison. Godfather ran a farm (rural), pork and beef, 10 minutes away from my home. My evil brother just sold the family home last fall.
Oh no!

He has had mom locked away in a warehouse facility for a few years now. His wife needed more $ to spend. My dad designed it and helped build it the year I was born. 2nd house on the block.
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Family got a "cabin" or cottage on a fishing lake in Price County - what you would call rural - plus a 180-acre former deer preserve in Sawyer Co.
Lucky you!
All from mom & dad. They bought some preserve land in Iron Co for camping, hunting when I was about 4. Then bought the cabin when I was 6 or 7 - later I made the spiral staircase to connect to the basement that we installed. Basement included indoor toilet. I was in my teens when they got the former deer preserve, about 10 min drive away.
So I was the muscle for all of the improvements, until I went in the Marines.
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Orange Co was the 4th stop on the itinerary of my Travel Agent - aka USMC Recruiter.
Camp Pendleton?
Marine Corps Air Station El Toro. Santa Ana to the north, Mission Viejo to the south, the I-5/405 junction to the west. It is some new city now.

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Laguna Beach was 15 min drive from the base barracks.
We were familiar with Capistrano, Laguna, Balboa, Newporsche, Costa Mesa, Corona del Mar, Huntington, Manhattan, Venice, Redondo, more I can't recall.

My favorite residence in my life was in Manchester, 2 blocks from my workplace of LAX.
Ah, Manchester. We used to live near then when we first moved to LA. I no longer remember the name of the street, but Pann's restaurant (La Tijera and Sepulveda) wasn't too far away and we used to eat there regularly.

You were prolly closer to the beach. I think you like the water. We lived inland of LAX. Those planes, coming and going .... I could never get used to the noise.

I think it was Bedford Arms, or Manchester Arms on Bedford street? 2 blocks inland from front gate of LAX. Right under the landing corridor for jets, which was a key factor in it being the best place for us. Working at LAX, we entered from the backside, the ocean side. Before that place, we drove Sepulveda along the south border, but our place made the north border road quicker, to Venice Beach - was that Manchester street? or Inglewood? No place to live between LAX and the water, just PCH and sand, because that is the take-off end of the runways. I loved a gyro place on that north border street, in Inglewood. But other eateries nearby seem sparse in my memory. I love swimming. The coves of Laguna Niguel allow swimming from one side to the other and back, like laps, with landmarks for reference. The coves also focus the waves, making them higher, for good bodysurfing.

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AFA beaches ... I mostly know them from source testing at the power plants at Seal Beach Haynes was DWP but there was a private generating station right next to it, if forget the owner) and AES at Redondo Beach. Also remember testing at Ormond Beach and Mandalay.

For beaches, when we went, we usually went north. I like Zuma, but it's more for surfers. My favorite was McGrath State Park, at the mouth of the Santa Clara river, because it had the riparian environment, fresh water marshes, salt water marshes, mudflats with nesting birds, the beach itself and some small cliffs for exploring.

I also like the tidal pools and "sunken city" at Cabrillo Beach. When we have out-of-towners with kids and they want something besides Disneyland, I take them there. There are a lot of anemones, mussels, barnacles, and baby crabs hiding in abandoned shells. Always something to see there, provided you go at low tide!

Don't recall hearing of Ormond, Mandalay, or the beaches you mention after, except Zuma.
Black's Beach was aways south, and was nude back then.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:58 PM

Helped my buddy move carpet today. Nice to help a friend, annoying when said friend is disorganized, unprepared and doesn't appreciate sticking to a schedule. So pretty much a wasted day for me.

When we got there somebody else was backed up to take all the trash. I figured I'd give him a hand while my buddy was doing other things. I wanted to help him move the tub out since there was probably no way he was going to get it up on the trailer alone. There was a LOT of large pieces of wall with tiles on them. Of course, I wasn't wearing any gloves...

As careful as I had been up to that point not to cut myself on broken tiles which are basically razor blades, that didn't stop me from pulling my hand back and feeling the strangest sensation...

I'd just dragged my hand back into a 16 penny nail and it was driven halfway into the back of my hand, longways, just about an eighth of an inch under my skin. FUN!

It didn't even hurt until about 10 minutes later. It would be hard to explain the sensation when I got poked because I have nothing from experience to compare it to.

At least it was still shiny and there was no hint of rust. No moldy shit I could see anywhere on any of the tiles either. I put a rag on it for a while and I was surprised at how quickly it stopped bleeding. At least I know I don't have any clotting problems.

We got the tub out for him.

No good deed goes unpunished.

At least I mowed the lawn finally after I got back. The grass is still coming in, but I couldn't let it go any longer. My lawn looked like crap. I need a truckload of fertilizer.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:21 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I once jumped from the top of a haystack, it was practically to the roof. Landed standing up on a pile of hay. Intended to step away, but something held me back. Looked at my foot, was wearing those engineer boots. I noticed 2 pitchfork prongs on one side of the boot, and one prong on the other side, and I couldn't process how prongs could have such a huge space between. Then notice in the center of my shoelaces, a prong was sticking out a couple inches.
Couldn't feel, at that moment, the prong that had impaled my foot through the sole of the boot.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:32 PM

Yowza!

Sounds like you're the last person I would need to explain the sensation to.

Any long-term problems from that one?

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 4:40 AM

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Helped my buddy move carpet today. Nice to help a friend, annoying when said friend is disorganized, unprepared and doesn't appreciate sticking to a schedule. So pretty much a wasted day for me.

When we got there somebody else was backed up to take all the trash. I figured I'd give him a hand while my buddy was doing other things. I wanted to help him move the tub out since there was probably no way he was going to get it up on the trailer alone. There was a LOT of large pieces of wall with tiles on them. Of course, I wasn't wearing any gloves...

As careful as I had been up to that point not to cut myself on broken tiles which are basically razor blades, that didn't stop me from pulling my hand back and feeling the strangest sensation...

I'd just dragged my hand back into a 16 penny nail and it was driven halfway into the back of my hand, longways, just about an eighth of an inch under my skin. FUN!

It didn't even hurt until about 10 minutes later. It would be hard to explain the sensation when I got poked because I have nothing from experience to compare it to.

At least it was still shiny and there was no hint of rust. No moldy shit I could see anywhere on any of the tiles either. I put a rag on it for a while and I was surprised at how quickly it stopped bleeding. At least I know I don't have any clotting problems.

We got the tub out for him.

No good deed goes unpunished.

At least I mowed the lawn finally after I got back. The grass is still coming in, but I couldn't let it go any longer. My lawn looked like crap. I need a truckload of fertilizer.

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If you haven't had a tetanus shot in ten years or more, you might want to get one.

We would miss you if you died.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 4:41 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I once jumped from the top of a haystack, it was practically to the roof. Landed standing up on a pile of hay. Intended to step away, but something held me back. Looked at my foot, was wearing those engineer boots. I noticed 2 pitchfork prongs on one side of the boot, and one prong on the other side, and I couldn't process how prongs could have such a huge space between. Then notice in the center of my shoelaces, a prong was sticking out a couple inches.
Couldn't feel, at that moment, the prong that had impaled my foot through the sole of the boot.

Oh, sweet Jeezus. THAT sent a shiver down my spine!

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:45 AM

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Helped my buddy move carpet today. Nice to help a friend, annoying when said friend is disorganized, unprepared and doesn't appreciate sticking to a schedule. So pretty much a wasted day for me.

When we got there somebody else was backed up to take all the trash. I figured I'd give him a hand while my buddy was doing other things. I wanted to help him move the tub out since there was probably no way he was going to get it up on the trailer alone. There was a LOT of large pieces of wall with tiles on them. Of course, I wasn't wearing any gloves...

As careful as I had been up to that point not to cut myself on broken tiles which are basically razor blades, that didn't stop me from pulling my hand back and feeling the strangest sensation...

I'd just dragged my hand back into a 16 penny nail and it was driven halfway into the back of my hand, longways, just about an eighth of an inch under my skin. FUN!

It didn't even hurt until about 10 minutes later. It would be hard to explain the sensation when I got poked because I have nothing from experience to compare it to.

At least it was still shiny and there was no hint of rust. No moldy shit I could see anywhere on any of the tiles either. I put a rag on it for a while and I was surprised at how quickly it stopped bleeding. At least I know I don't have any clotting problems.

We got the tub out for him.

No good deed goes unpunished.

At least I mowed the lawn finally after I got back. The grass is still coming in, but I couldn't let it go any longer. My lawn looked like crap. I need a truckload of fertilizer.

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If you haven't had a tetanus shot in ten years or more, you might want to get one.

We would miss you if you died.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 2:00 PM

I couldn't believe it, but a little bit of water and kneading and the spackle I had from last year was still usable. I filled the nail holes on the upper cab trim this morning. That needs to be sanded and cleaned before I do all the caulking.

Risked a downpour by mowing the back yard too so I could get it out with the trash tomorrow. Got a little sketchy there for a while, but managed to finish it.

Some non-work-related things weighing down my mind at the moment. Not sure what the rest of the day will bring. It would be nice if I can get motivated to sand/clean that spackle and caulk everything before I go to sleep tonight so I can begin painting. We'll see.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 2:58 PM

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HAHAHAHA!!!

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 4:12 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I thought about suggesting a tetanus booster, but I figured Jack would just blow me off, and probably in a rude dismissive way. So I didn't bother. At least he gave you a funny.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:01 PM

Tetanus was my first immediate concern, but I was happy to see the nail looked clean and shiny with no rust about, as if it had just come out of the box. Like I said, no moldy tiles either. Some rich divorcee of a brain surgeon just bought herself a 7 bedroom mansion that was entirely gutted when I got there yesterday. From the looks of the rubble, none of that stuff needed to see a landfill for another good 3 decades or so and was likely not put up all that long ago.

Fuckin' rich people...

Am I taking a risk? Sure. I hate doctors. I hate hospitals. I hate big pharma. I hate health insurance providers. I hate the entire medical industrial complex.

Here's hoping I win this poker hand.

29 hours later and I feel fine. Just about 2,900 hours left to go and I should be able to breathe easy.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:31 PM

Got a little more retyping done on my book today after I got back from my walk.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:37 PM

My dad when he was a boy of about 10 once decided to ride a cow like a bucking bronc. He kicked the cow in the ribs and it did start bucking. It bucked so hard that she bucked my dad off and he landed on the ground, then for good measure the cow decided to stomp on him. He was lucky all he came out of that with was a broken left arm.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:55 PM

I hope he came back later that night and tipped that cow so hard.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:32 PM

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I don't know WHAT I did that fucked me up so bad, but I got five hours of sleep last night where pain didn't wake me up! WOO HOO!

And I'm sort of functional today, provided I don't have to lift my left arm unsupported towards the front or side, and turn my head more than about 25deg in either direction. And I only need two glasses of wine to not care about the pain.

So today I did menu and grocery-shopping planning and dishes and tomorrow, since it will be 91degF, hubby and I will do some financial planning. I still intend to take meloxicam and pregabalin tonight, hopefully that will be the last doses..

SIX: The meds that I'm taking aren't addictive. Meloxicam is an anti-inflammatory, like ibuprofen but stronger (only one pill per day) and pregabalin blocks pain signals but doesn't get you high. I know the difference. I've had the addictive kind including demerol and tramadol, they make everything in the world fine, fine, fine ... and I sure understand the attraction! But this is not that. It controls pain, and makes me a little fuzzy but there's no "high" attached to it.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:57 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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the nail looked clean and shiny with no rust about

Well, the 'rust' part is a myth. Tetanus comes from a germ - Clostridium tetani. A closely related germ is the one that causes botulism from poorly canned foods Clostridium botulinum. Another close relative is the germ that can cause gas gangrene, Clostridium perfringens. And then there's the one that causes really bad, even deadly, gut problems, Clostridium difficile.

Those clostridia are no bueno.

Anyway, clostridia are ubiquitous in nature. They're found pretty much everywhere, but especially in their spore form in the soil, which is a germ's way of 'hibernating' under bad conditions nearly indefinitely. That spore form is really resistant to a lot. That's how it is that C. botulinum can withstand poor canning techniques that kill everything else off. But once the clostridia in spore-form get into a nice welcoming environment they become active and start to do what they do. One nice welcoming place for Clostridium tetani is a puncture-type wound. It's deep, and narrow, and tends not to bleed a lot and therefore it doesn't flush itself out. That wound with dead tissue all around and not much fresh circulation bringing in oxygen is the perfect environment for the oxygen-hating germ.

(I want to point out that due to Clostridium botulinum, making flavored oils using fresh anything really isn't recommended. Once they get excluded from oxygen because they're covered with oil, that little bit of water from the herbs, garlic and whatnot give them everything they need to grow and make toxins.
Another potential source of Clostridium botulinum is your T-day turkey. Cooking a turkey simply doesn't destroy the spores, and leaving the cooked turkey out lets them do their thing.
Those are just some more examples of clostridia in everyday life.).

A tetanus shot is just cheap insurance against getting tetanus.

However, aside from tetanus, look out for any signs of infection, especially red or black streaks radiating from the wound, or alternating fever, flushing, and chills.

And while I'm sure not too many people care, I always like to geek out on things I find interesting.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:28 PM

I appreciate it.

I figure if I do get lockjaw because of my stubbornness, there's no avoiding that. Once that happens there's nothing to do but give it treatment until the toxins are done doing their thing.

So far, so good.

Actually, at this point you can't even tell how deep the nail had gone anymore. The only evidence of it is a small clotted nick on the back of my hand.

I'm surprised that it didn't bruise up. For a few hours once the pain set in yesterday it felt like I hit it with a hammer. Now it hardly even hurts if I press down hard on it with my fingers.

I will keep an eye on it. Thanks for the input.

Oh... speaking of lockjaw...

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 11:44 PM

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I hope he came back later that night and tipped that cow so hard.

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Not sure that would have been a thing in 1916 which is around when that happened to my dad. And I think if my grandad had caught him abusing an animal it would have been worse for my dad. Those were the days of taking a boy out behind the woodshed for a licking.

Also the cow was innocent as she was minding her own business when this kid decided to ride her. The stomping was in self defense and I think as an adult my dad would have agreed. I know his sister agreed with my assessment after she told me the story.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 3:19 PM

Yeah.., you're right. I love animals, but hate hearing stories of kids being kicked around by them... even if they deserved it. But can't fault an animal for taking a disproportionate response.

One of my brothers was mauled by a dog when he was 4 by a neighbor's dog. I wasn't there, but from what I heard both families were there and he didn't do anything to agitate the dog. He ended up needing 300 stitches on his face and skull. The doctors were miracle workers though, and because he was so young he healed so well you can't even tell that it happened now.

Poor dog did get put down after that though.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 3:25 PM

Sanding spackle inside cove molding is NOT fun... especially when you're using your other hand to hold the shop vac hose. That took a while.

Instead of jumping to caulk after cleaning everything, I decided to put up three more pieces to box out any exposed corners. It was something I'd been on again and off again about the last few days because it would be so much effort, but now that I did it, it really paid off.

The end cab by the fridge was easy. Just a simple 29" corner piece glued and nailed tight.

The hard ones were the two overhead cabs on either side of the sink with the valance above. Same length, at 29", but I had to cut off one side of it and file and sand it down smooth where the valance bottom started. It would have worked out perfect had I not broke one of them when I was wiping dust off of it and gave it a good wack. (The cheap shit they make today...)

That's fine. I didn't cut another one. I just threw a few more nails in either side of the split after putting it up and got some wood putty drying up there now. Spackled the new nails holes... not too many this time, and sanding those corner pieces is a sinch.

I'm hoping it all dries early enough to sand and clean so I can caulk.

My buddy got sick and we can't go shoot pool tonight, so maybe I can get that all caulked so I can start painting tomorrow. Got my old man coming Saturday and my Grandma and Aunt coming on Sunday.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 3:37 PM

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Sanding spackle inside cove molding is NOT fun... especially when you're using your other hand to hold the shop vac hose. That took a while.

Instead of jumping to caulk after cleaning everything, I decided to put up three more pieces to box out any exposed corners. It was something I'd been on again and off again about the last few days because it would be so much effort, but now that I did it, it really paid off.

The end cab by the fridge was easy. Just a simple 29" corner piece glued and nailed tight.

The hard ones were the two overhead cabs on either side of the sink with the valance above. Same length, at 29", but I had to cut off one side of it and file and sand it down smooth where the valance bottom started. It would have worked out perfect had I not broke one of them when I was wiping dust off of it and gave it a good wack. (The cheap shit they make today...)

That's fine. I didn't cut another one. I just threw a few more nails in either side of the split after putting it up and got some wood putty drying up there now. Spackled the new nails holes... not too many this time, and sanding those corner pieces is a sinch.

I'm hoping it all dries early enough to sand and clean so I can caulk.

My buddy got sick and we can't go shoot pool tonight, so maybe I can get that all caulked so I can start painting tomorrow. Got my old man coming Saturday and my Grandma and Aunt coming on Sunday.

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WOO HOO! on the progress!

And WOO HOO on family visiting! I'll bet they'te happy to see how well your home is coming along!!

I hope you get to shoot pool wwith your friend soon. I never did much, but what I did was fun.

Do you bowl? Play cards? There's always a good way to get ppl together and having fun!

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 4:28 PM

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Yeah.., you're right. I love animals, but hate hearing stories of kids being kicked around by them... even if they deserved it. But can't fault an animal for taking a disproportionate response.

One of my brothers was mauled by a dog when he was 4 by a neighbor's dog. I wasn't there, but from what I heard both families were there and he didn't do anything to agitate the dog. He ended up needing 300 stitches on his face and skull. The doctors were miracle workers though, and because he was so young he healed so well you can't even tell that it happened now.

Poor dog did get put down after that though.

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Well, it was all she could do and I did feel bad for both the cow and my dad.

My figuring after hearing the story and his big sister's was that he saw some hands breaking horses and decided that he wanted to try. But there was no way that any adult would let a 10year old boy try something that could be dangerous, so the cow was there.

Don't think my dad got into any real trouble after getting his arm fixed at the local hospital as I'm sure my grandad thought he had learned his lesson. The doctor who fixed his arm didn't do it right as it was slightly crooked till the day he died. They had x-rays back then just not really good ones. So they set it, x-rayed it and it wasn't set properly, so they rebroke it, set it again, x-rayed it and still not right. This happened about 5 times then my grandad stepped in and said leave it alone, you are hurting my son. Hence his arm being slightly crooked.

That would have been terrible for your brother at the time but thankfully he was so young that he probably doesn't remember it.

Well, I can't say that I don't agree with the decision to put the dog down. It did it once without being provoked and it could have happened again.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 4:29 PM

Walk on a nice dry day.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 4:48 PM

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And WOO HOO on family visiting! I'll bet they're happy to see how well your home is coming along!!

I hope you get to shoot pool with your friend soon. I never did much, but what I did was fun.

Do you bowl? Play cards? There's always a good way to get ppl together and having fun!

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 5:21 PM

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Well, I can't say that I don't agree with the decision to put the dog down. It did it once without being provoked and it could have happened again.

This is a somewhat interesting topic to me - domestication of animals, which's happened over tens of millennia.

Horses can be 'broke' (though there are now far better and gentler ways of doing that) and learn to do the will of humans because they're herd animals. Even more, they've been domesticated over many tens of millennia. The horses of today aren't like the 'wild' horses they evolved from, they're more like 'feral' animals that were domesticated but escaped into the wild. The 'wild' horses of N America for example are the descendants of Spanish horses.

Even the famed Przewalski horse, that was thought to be the last remaining true wild horse may in fact be a descendant of a once domesticated line of horses.

Dogs are in a similar state. They started out as pack-living wolves, with hierarchies and rules of engagement, which makes them by nature theoretically trainable if they accept (a) human(s) as (a) pack leader(s). But they evolved from wolves over roughly 40,000 years they've been domesticated, which means they aren't exactly like wolves anymore. (Wolves for example can't 'read' human body language even if they've been raised from birth by people.) Many of dogs' instinctive behaviors have been scrambled, so wolf-like behaviors will come through in distorted form. For example, wolves (and coyotes for that matter) don't maul deer or other animals. Every hunt and every tussle with another wolf involves potential death, from being kicked in the ribs to being gored with a horn to having a leg tendon bitten and torn. So wolves don't engage in risky behavior unless there's a payoff like a meal, or the rules are well known. But dogs do. Random hunting-and-mauling animals is one example where an instinctive behavior comes through in a domesticated dog, in distorted form.

Dogs are by nature predators. All large dogs have the potential to kill. All dogs have the potential to unleash an unprovoked attack. That means that that lovable family doggie has the potential to do serious harm, and can be unpredictable. When I had a dog, I NEVER said - 'oh, don't worry about her, she doesn't bite.'. Because you never know 100%. (To be fair, they also eat berries and fruits and scavenge. But no dog is without the instinct to hunt, or to attack.) A dog that engages in an unprovoked attack is a risk.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 7:26 PM

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Well, I can't say that I don't agree with the decision to put the dog down. It did it once without being provoked and it could have happened again.
This is a somewhat interesting topic to me - domestication of animals, which's happened over tens of millennia.

Horses can be 'broke' (though there are now far better and gentler ways of doing that) and learn to do the will of humans because they're herd animals. Even more, they've been domesticated over many tens of millennia. The horses of today aren't like the 'wild' horses they evolved from, they're more like 'feral' animals that were domesticated but escaped into the wild. The 'wild' horses of N America for example are the descendants of Spanish horses.

Even the famed Przewalski horse, that was thought to be the last remaining true wild horse may in fact be a descendant of a once domesticated line of horses.

Dogs are in a similar state. They started out as pack-living wolves, with hierarchies and rules of engagement, which makes them by nature theoretically trainable if they accept (a) human(s) as (a) pack leader(s). But they evolved from wolves over roughly 40,000 years they've been domesticated, which means they aren't exactly like wolves anymore. (Wolves for example can't 'read' human body language even if they've been raised from birth by people.) Many of dogs' instinctive behaviors have been scrambled, so wolf-like behaviors will come through in distorted form. For example, wolves (and coyotes for that matter) don't maul deer or other animals. Every hunt and every tussle with another wolf involves potential death, from being kicked in the ribs to being gored with a horn to having a leg tendon bitten and torn. So wolves don't engage in risky behavior unless there's a payoff like a meal, or the rules are well known. But dogs do. Random hunting-and-mauling animals is one example where an instinctive behavior comes through in a domesticated dog, in distorted form.

Dogs are by nature predators. All large dogs have the potential to kill. All dogs have the potential to unleash an unprovoked attack. That means that that lovable family doggie has the potential to do serious harm, and can be unpredictable. When I had a dog, I NEVER said - 'oh, don't worry about her, she doesn't bite.'. Because you never know 100%. (To be fair, they also eat berries and fruits and scavenge. But no dog is without the instinct to hunt, or to attack.) A dog that engages in an unprovoked attack is a risk.

Preaching to the choir as far as knowing about the different stages of horse evolution and how they were domesticated by humans Kiki.

Yes, I know how "wild horses" got to NA and that is how North American Indians got horses, trade and stealing from the Spanish and then trade among the tribes was how they spread. Also from the British and French in Eastern Canada.

Well, when I talk about "breaking" a horse, I sure you realize that I mean it like cowboys do and did. Horses have to get used to having people on them and that is what I was meaning.

Hmmm. I didn't know that there were any supposed wild horses left in Europe.

I'm not fond of dogs but yes again I knew a lot of that.

Farm and cattle country was were my dad and his siblings were raised so they were used to horses and other domesticated farm and work animals.

I was graduating from high school and my dad's sisters had come up early from the US to stay with us. One morning I was getting ready for school and my oldest aunt saw me braiding my hair. She asked me where I learned to do that and I said that my dad had taught me. She stopped for a minute then it clicked for her, each of her brothers had their own horses but they had to learn to braid the reins for their horses. She remembered seeing them do that.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 8:51 PM

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Oh hey Brenda - I wasn't trying to preach, just geeking out on a topic of interest. So I'm sorry if it came out otherwise!

FWIW I'd really appreciate more detailed stories of your experiences as they come up in discussions. They really do add a lot to my knowledge, and besides, I'm just really interested.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 10:57 PM

Man that sucks about them breaking your old man's arm so many times. They did that with problems my grandpa had with his hands and even with the medication he was taking, after quite a few hand surgeries, he spent the last 10 or so years of his life with claws instead of hands. He had very limited ability to do things like read the paper, but my grandma basically had to do most of the stuff for him. He couldn't even pour milk into a cereal bowl anymore. Broke his heart, since he always made a big show about doing things like scrubbing the kitchen floor because he didn't want my grandma down on her knees doing it.

The reason they put the dog down is because of the "fact" that once a dog tastes blood it's no good anymore, and it's a danger to everyone. With all the things I've grown up believing to be true that aren't, I'm thinking that might just be an old wives tale, but it was considered common knowledge around my parts at the time.

ETA: I did find this just now. I figured the "blood" thing was probably B.S., but it certainly seems to be a bad behavior that can get worse quickly if it happens just once.

https://www.usadogbehavior.com/blog/201586why-you-never-want-your-dog-
to-bite-a-human

And this was no mere bite. This thing tried to rip my brother's face off. I don't think there was anybody who was going to let that dog live after doing that to a 4 year old kid.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:09 PM

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WOO HOO! on the progress!

Yeah. Finally getting somewhere.

I didn't get to caulking tonight after a long nap, but I did sand down and clean the new spackle and wood putty, and then I primered over the wood putty. It's all glued and nailed tight and shouldn't move. Once the final coats of paint are on nobody should be the wiser that piece of trim ever splintered on me.

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And WOO HOO on family visiting! I'll bet they'te happy to see how well your home is coming along!!

Been telling my grams about it for a long time. She can't wait to see it and the pictures of the progression up to this point. First time they've been over since late summer of last year.

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I hope you get to shoot pool wwith your friend soon. I never did much, but what I did was fun.

Yeah. Probably next week. I hadn't played for around 15 years but I surprised myself at how good I still was. The 2nd time I went, I ran out the table after the break, which was something I'd never done before in my life.

He takes it easy on me though. Not only has he continued to play all this time, but him and another old buddy of mine have been playing on weekly leagues for years now. He's got a $1,000 stick he brings when we play.

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Do you bowl? Play cards? There's always a good way to get ppl together and having fun!

I'm so bad at bowling. I do this weird hop/skip thing and I'd say it's kind of as weird as when Happy Gilmore swung a golf club. I also play with an 8lb ball, only using the tips of my middle and ring finger in the tiny holes while not using my thumb at all.

I've got a wicked hook, but I can only go one way with it. When I'm on, I'm on. I've bowled a 269 before like that. But then my next game was a 90.

Love cards. Been a long time since I've played Texas Hold'em.

My house isn't ready for that yet, but I'd like to start having people over once I finish the kitchen and (QUICKLY!) remodel the living room. That should only take me about 3 weeks instead of the 4+ months that the kitchen is taking because of those cabinets.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 PM

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Oh hey Brenda - I wasn't trying to preach, just geeking out on a topic of interest. So I'm sorry if it came out otherwise!

FWIW I'd really appreciate more detailed stories of your experiences as they come up in discussions. They really do add a lot to my knowledge, and besides, I'm just really interested.

Geeking out is great. :)

My knowledge of horse evolution comes from my little knowledge of paleontology of the species which ties into my knowledge of archaeology on this continent.

Before my distant ancestors had horses, they used dogs. The dogs came with us when we arrived on this continent. They would make what was called a travois which is two long poles tied together and put around the dog. Then they would make a pallet which was attached to the poles. This was then piled with "household goods" and the tee pee covering. This was how plains Indians moved their villages to follow the herds of bison and such that were their main food source.

Course in lean times the dogs would be eaten as well.

There were horse-like creatures on this continent when my distant ancestors arrived but I'm not sure what stage in their evolution they were. They were wiped out from hunting.

I'll try to add what I can.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:52 PM

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Man that sucks about them breaking your old man's arm so many times. They did that with problems my grandpa had with his hands and even with the medication he was taking, after quite a few hand surgeries, he spent the last 10 or so years of his life with claws instead of hands. He had very limited ability to do things like read the paper, but my grandma basically had to do most of the stuff for him. He couldn't even pour milk into a cereal bowl anymore. Broke his heart, since he always made a big show about doing things like scrubbing the kitchen floor because he didn't want my grandma down on her knees doing it.

The reason they put the dog down is because of the "fact" that once a dog tastes blood it's no good anymore, and it's a danger to everyone. With all the things I've grown up believing to be true that aren't, I'm thinking that might just be an old wives tale, but it was considered common knowledge around my parts at the time.

ETA: I did find this just now. I figured the "blood" thing was probably B.S., but it certainly seems to be a bad behavior that can get worse quickly if it happens just once.

https://www.usadogbehavior.com/blog/201586why-you-never-want-your-dog-
to-bite-a-human

And this was no mere bite. This thing tried to rip my brother's face off. I don't think there was anybody who was going to let that dog live after doing that to a 4 year old kid.

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I was horrified when I heard the whole story but you have to remember the time frame I am talking about. My dad could still use his arm and you only noticed it if you looked really close at it and know what you were looking for. I asked my dad about his arm and he said that he broke it. I didn't find out the whole story until after he died. I think the break did bother him some when he was older but nothing drastic.

Sounds like your grandad was a good man. It's hard when you hear stories like that because at the time they couldn't do anything else.

Oddly enough I heard something similar when I was growing up but it was more along the lines of making a dog dangerous.

No, they wouldn't.

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Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:53 PM

Work for me tomorrow. So early morning.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 12:23 AM

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Oh hey Brenda - I wasn't trying to preach, just geeking out on a topic of interest. So I'm sorry if it came out otherwise!

FWIW I'd really appreciate more detailed stories of your experiences as they come up in discussions. They really do add a lot to my knowledge, and besides, I'm just really interested.

Geeking out is great. :)

My knowledge of horse evolution comes from my little knowledge of paleontology of the species which ties into my knowledge of archaeology on this continent.

Before my distant ancestors had horses, they used dogs. The dogs came with us when we arrived on this continent. They would make what was called a travois which is two long poles tied together and put around the dog. Then they would make a pallet which was attached to the poles. This was then piled with "household goods" and the tee pee covering. This was how plains Indians moved their villages to follow the herds of bison and such that were their main food source.

Course in lean times the dogs would be eaten as well.

There were horse-like creatures on this continent when my distant ancestors arrived but I'm not sure what stage in their evolution they were. They were wiped out from hunting.

I'll try to add what I can.

Wild horses occupy the same ecological niche in today's west as wild burros. Both are introduced species, but the mustangs have much better press. Both being introduced species, they're regularly rounded up. Horses with pretty colors are returned back to the wild. There's a lot of discussion about what to do about wild horses. They used to use them for dog food. (Maybe they still do.) They try to find adoptive homes. They've even talked about injecting mares with long-lasting contraceptives to keep their population down.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 12:29 AM

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MUSTANGS

WILD BURROS

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Friday, April 30, 2021 11:58 AM

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Didn't take either meloxicam (tends to drive up bp) or pregabalin last night, and consquently got about 3 hrs of sleep and woke up with a throbbing neck.

On the bright side, since I got up at dawn I put out peanuts for the birds early, and I saw a pair of nesting scrub jays (SO pretty!!) come in for peanuts close to a dozen times. And those are peanuts in shell, so multiply that by two! They must have a lareg brood of near-fledglings, to be eating so much food.

Interestingly, THESE scrub jays flew off in the opposite direction than the other ones I've seen, so there must be two nests around somewhere.

Plus, this spring has been dry for the most part, but also unseasonably cool (with a few 90F days here and there.) Since CA natives don't mind being watered when the soil is cold but HATE being watered when the soil is hot, I took the oppty of prolonged cold weather to extend the watering season to about now.

And for my diligent watering, I was rewarded with a CA lupine (a miniature one) that I did NOT plant, but grew all on its own! It's SOOO hard to get lupines to grow. To see one blossoming was a pleasant surprise.

And the past couple of days have been unseasonably hot (90F), I guess to make up for the unseasonably cold weather. Today is the last 90+ hurrah. Normally, the bad mites on the avocados would start multiplying in hot weather, and I would have seen some leaf damage by now, but the new leaves look pristine and undamaged. I guess distributing predatory mites early is a GOOD thing?

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Friday, April 30, 2021 12:18 PM

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Hey Brenda, THANKS for all the cool info! I really appreciate it.

And THANKS Signy for your info as well!

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Friday, April 30, 2021 12:19 PM

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Signy, I'm so sorry to read you need to cut down and the meds and so had a boost in pain. But I'm glad that even without meds you seem to be doing better than before.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 6:11 PM

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Oh hey Brenda - I wasn't trying to preach, just geeking out on a topic of interest. So I'm sorry if it came out otherwise!

FWIW I'd really appreciate more detailed stories of your experiences as they come up in discussions. They really do add a lot to my knowledge, and besides, I'm just really interested.

Geeking out is great. :)

My knowledge of horse evolution comes from my little knowledge of paleontology of the species which ties into my knowledge of archaeology on this continent.

Before my distant ancestors had horses, they used dogs. The dogs came with us when we arrived on this continent. They would make what was called a travois which is two long poles tied together and put around the dog. Then they would make a pallet which was attached to the poles. This was then piled with "household goods" and the tee pee covering. This was how plains Indians moved their villages to follow the herds of bison and such that were their main food source.

Course in lean times the dogs would be eaten as well.

There were horse-like creatures on this continent when my distant ancestors arrived but I'm not sure what stage in their evolution they were. They were wiped out from hunting.

I'll try to add what I can.

Wild horses occupy the same ecological niche in today's west as wild burros. Both are introduced species, but the mustangs have much better press. Both being introduced species, they're regularly rounded up. Horses with pretty colors are returned back to the wild. There's a lot of discussion about what to do about wild horses. They used to use them for dog food. (Maybe they still do.) They try to find adoptive homes. They've even talked about injecting mares with long-lasting contraceptives to keep their population down.

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Think I heard about the dog food thing too. I don't like that idea. Adoptive homes are a much better idea for sure.

The mustangs and the burros in the pictures you posted are pretty. :) I like horses but have never managed to learn to ride. Hopefully one day I will.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 6:13 PM

You're welcome Kiki.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 6:14 PM

Back from work and tired.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 7:29 PM

Upper cabs caulked and now FINALLY ready for paint.

Spent the first hour today very delicately sanding down caulk I had put between the two cabinets over the stove that were not even depth-wise, and I feel I did a really good job with it. I wanted to use caulk instead of something much easier to apply and sand such as spackle or wood putty because if there is any shifting at all the caulk can withstand it but the other easier materials would instantly crack.

I also painted over all of that to see what at would look like before doing a few touchups here and there and putting the final coat of the last side of the two boards going in the cabinet below the sink.

I think I'm going to spend the first two weeks of May trying to get as close to finished with those top cabinets as I can so I can start actually using the kitchen correctly again, but I'm going to have to start moving my work outside after that and only work on the kitchen when it's raining or a bazillion degrees outside.

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