In the garden, and RAIN!!!! by SIGNYM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The next numbers you'll want to know:
When a decent rain comes, not just sprinkles, start timing when the rain gets serious.
If you can zip down there and trip the pump real quick, letting it empty is a good starting place for the measurement.
Time how much delay there is from the start of serious rain until the first pump cycle.
Then, how long until the 2nd cycle.
When the rain ends, how long delay until the last cycle (if there is a pump cycle after end of rain).

These will be the numbers you can compare to in the future.

I can't believe I told you to wait for rain to happen. My bad.

We should be far more pro-active. This can be done anytime day or night - EXCEPT when it is raining. When convenient for you.

First step would be handy to trip the pump once, just to start off with a good reference point - the bottom of the range.
Then place the end of your garden hose at a point either against your basement wall, or within a foot. Pick one of these spots: far end of your house, farthest from your kitchen; under your kitchen window, or just about over the front sewer pipe; back wall, about over your main crap pipe; one side of your sand pit, near the basement wall; the other side of the sand pit, unless it is already covered by one of the other locations here.
Start counting the minutes when you turn on the garden hose full blast.
Your water meter can tell you what the count is, and might tell you the flow. Letting out 20 gallons should be good, and 40 gallons should be more than enough. You will want to notate how many minutes elapsed until you end up turning the garden hose off.
After turning the hose on, take a nice comfy carpet scrap or air mattress down to the well, settle in a bit.
Take the measurements I noted above. Also the measurements I noted below will help.
Also observe the water flow into the well. When this flow rate changes, notate the change and the time.
After completing the observations, do not test another location until at least a day for the system to dry out.
Repeat the sequence at another of the locations I mentioned, or one of interest to you.

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This is data that would be good to know, at this point in time:
Go down to it, activate it until it almost sucks air, then wait 5 or 10 minutes - or until the water stops pouring into it from the inlet tube.
Then activate the pump again, until it just starts to suck air.
Then start the timer

After that 2nd manual activation, what is the surface level in the well after 1 minute? You can measure from the rim.
Then, what is the level after 2 minutes following the sucking air.
Then, what is the level after 5 minutes total?
After 10 min total?
after 15 min total?

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Thursday, May 27, 2021 8:46 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I hope so too! I called a plumber I had good experience with in the past, but he can't get to it till next week. In the meantime, I have other things I need to do. So dishes get washed in the bathroom sink for now. Tomorrow I'm going to see if the whole house shutoff works. If it does I might possibly try and remove the hose. I THINK it should come off OK. I got it mostly off when it started leaking, which made me realize the undersink shutoffs didn't work. And I was able to screw it back on and it didn't leak. So if the whole house shutoff works, I THINK I can remove the hose and take it to ACE hardware ... and if they don't have a replacement, I SHOULD be able to put the hose back on with no problem. If that doesn't work out though, and I either can't put it back, OR it ends up leaking, then I'm sunk with the whole house needing to be shut off. So I'm going to proceed carefully and thoughtfully. But the one critical point I can't 100% anticipate is taking the hose off all the way, then putting it back on just to see if I can. If I can't, or it leaks, then I have a real problem.

PS either way, I'm eventually going to to to get all the shutoffs replaced - 2 per sink and 1 toilet ... with ball valve versions. They also make compression fit ball valves, and push-on ball valves. So I THINK if worse comes to worse, and these valves can't be easily removed, they might be cut off since there's significant pipe length coming through the wall, and new valves might be retrofitted on.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 12:30 AM

Nobody bailed and I had a great night out with my friends.

Well. Except for my one buddy rubbing in all night about how many hundreds of thousands of dollars he's made so far buying AMC stock. He was always a braggart, but that was getting a little on my nerves tonight.

To be fair, he did tell me to buy it when it was 9 bucks and now it's 26+.

I hope it goes well for him. He's far from poor, but I think he's investing WAY too much into it at this point. I guess he basically just re-invested all the money he's "made" so far buying more stock at $17 more per share than his initial buys were. It's always fun riding something like that when it looks like the sky is the limit. But he's going to want to take that ticker off of the bottom of the clock on his thousand dollar Apple watch if it ever comes crashing down.

I think he's equally annoyed at me for not being impressed or envious of all of his toys. I guess maybe it's been a while since I've been around somebody who puts so much value on material possessions and feels a constant need to let everyone know how well they're doing. I just told him "if you ain't sharin' people ain't carin'".

Man... I must have been annoying when we were kids and I was walking around wearing gold chains and going to parties wearing $250 outfits.

If $1k per month UBI ever becomes a thing I'll never have to answer to anyone ever again and that's the only thing in life that will ever make me happy. No material possession in the world could ever do that.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The next numbers you'll want to know:
When a decent rain comes, not just sprinkles, start timing when the rain gets serious.
If you can zip down there and trip the pump real quick, letting it empty is a good starting place for the measurement.
Time how much delay there is from the start of serious rain until the first pump cycle.
Then, how long until the 2nd cycle.
When the rain ends, how long delay until the last cycle (if there is a pump cycle after end of rain).

These will be the numbers you can compare to in the future.
I can't believe I told you to wait for rain to happen. My bad.

We should be far more pro-active. This can be done anytime day or night - EXCEPT when it is raining. When convenient for you.

First step would be handy to trip the pump once, just to start off with a good reference point - the bottom of the range.
Then place the end of your garden hose at a point either against your basement wall, or within a foot. Pick one of these spots: far end of your house, farthest from your kitchen; under your kitchen window, or just about over the front sewer pipe; back wall, about over your main crap pipe; one side of your sand pit, near the basement wall; the other side of the sand pit, unless it is already covered by one of the other locations here.
Start counting the minutes when you turn on the garden hose full blast.
Your water meter can tell you what the count is, and might tell you the flow. Letting out 20 gallons should be good, and 40 gallons should be more than enough. You will want to notate how many minutes elapsed until you end up turning the garden hose off.
After turning the hose on, take a nice comfy carpet scrap or air mattress down to the well, settle in a bit.
Take the measurements I noted above. Also the measurements I noted below will help.
Also observe the water flow into the well. When this flow rate changes, notate the change and the time.
After completing the observations, do not test another location until at least a day for the system to dry out.
Repeat the sequence at another of the locations I mentioned, or one of interest to you.

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This is data that would be good to know, at this point in time:
Go down to it, activate it until it almost sucks air, then wait 5 or 10 minutes - or until the water stops pouring into it from the inlet tube.
Then activate the pump again, until it just starts to suck air.
Then start the timer

After that 2nd manual activation, what is the surface level in the well after 1 minute? You can measure from the rim.
Then, what is the level after 2 minutes following the sucking air.
Then, what is the level after 5 minutes total?
After 10 min total?
after 15 min total?

Maybe I'll do that next week. It's raining tonight, but they' scaled it back quite a bit from how heavy it was supposed to be. Still would mess up any tests like this for now though.

I bought a pump. It should be here in a couple of days. Did a bit of research and bought one that comes out of Germany. A little more expensive than $17, but it's got some rave reviews. It's self-priming and can pump dry for 20 seconds, which is more than a lot of similar models claim.

It claims to push water UP three meters. I don't necessarily believe that, but I think I've decided that I want to set it up to go out the back of the house into the bathroom anyhow. I figure with 50 feet of vinyl tubing I can rig it so the tube is always in the well and I can mount the pump inside the crawl space. Then I can have the rest of the length for the output side out of sight in the crawl and only take it out back when I need it. I could either feed it right into the toilet (good for if the power goes out and the generator is not working for some reason, or if my sump pump ever fails again. Or I could feed it out the window and have about 15 feet of length away from the house (good for if my city sewer ever backs up again).

I can get 50 feet of tube for around $17 at the local store. Glad I checked that because it was nearly 3 times as expensive on Amazon for some reason.

Hoping for a real good test on this thing when I get it set up. My days of ever having to bail out water by hand via crab walking back and forth to the toilet should be a thing of the past if it does.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 1:59 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Spent the last three days looking into investment opportunities, but I had to shit can a couple days-worth of research when I started decsribing specific assets with 10-year charts and hubby was like "No, that's not what I was thinking about"

Well, DUH, what have we been talking about for the last MONTH? BLUE CHEESECAKE?

I swear to God what I say goes in one ear and out the other.

So now I'm on a whole new bunny trail and so far just coming up with confusion.

Hubby will spend DAYS deciding on what sandpaper to get, but can't be bothered to spend an hour thinking about where we might plunk a significant chunk of money. Then he says "Do what you want" but the last time I did I heard about it for the next 20 years. I love my hubby but sometimes he's a dick.

Just had to vent.

Are you using "shit can" in place of "chit can" here? Do you have a different meaning with that, or are you intending same or similar meaning?

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Friday, May 28, 2021 2:17 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I hope so too! I called a plumber I had good experience with in the past, but he can't get to it till next week. In the meantime, I have other things I need to do. So dishes get washed in the bathroom sink for now. Tomorrow I'm going to see if the whole house shutoff works. If it does I might possibly try and remove the hose. I THINK it should come off OK. I got it mostly off when it started leaking, which made me realize the undersink shutoffs didn't work. And I was able to screw it back on and it didn't leak. So if the whole house shutoff works, I THINK I can remove the hose and take it to ACE hardware ... and if they don't have a replacement, I SHOULD be able to put the hose back on with no problem. If that doesn't work out though, and I either can't put it back, OR it ends up leaking, then I'm sunk with the whole house needing to be shut off. So I'm going to proceed carefully and thoughtfully. But the one critical point I can't 100% anticipate is taking the hose off all the way, then putting it back on just to see if I can. If I can't, or it leaks, then I have a real problem.

PS either way, I'm eventually going to to to get all the shutoffs replaced - 2 per sink and 1 toilet ... with ball valve versions. They also make compression fit ball valves, and push-on ball valves. So I THINK if worse comes to worse, and these valves can't be easily removed, they might be cut off since there's significant pipe length coming through the wall, and new valves might be retrofitted on.

If you turn off your whole house water, remember to turn off any electric water heaters during that time.
Those shutoff valves should be exercised once or twice per year, perhaps when clocks are changed, smoke detector batteries are replaced.
turn valve off. turn on faucet full blast to confirm water is stopped. Whether or not, turn shutoff valve all the way back and forth a few times, then shut off again to confirm it shuts off, with no leaks. If you didn't already try this, it might fix your valve that you think is bad.
Do this with each pair under each sink, the laundry machine, dishwasher, single one on toilet, exterior faucets, and the pair for every bath/shower. Those bath ones are often in a wall, or "false wall" meaning there is an access panel underneath (ceiling of lower floor) or the other side of one of the walls intersecting with the bath. I've seen them in the ceiling of the basement, in the closet of the bedroom next, in the cubby space behind the bathroom, under the stairs, under (and inset to the side of) the vanity/sink in the bathroom.
If you take your hose down to the store and don't find a replacement, at least check the fittings dept (Home Depot has a decenr selection) and find one with the thread and size to cap things for the interim. Or a hose clamp and rubber cap to substitute.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 2:25 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The next numbers you'll want to know:
When a decent rain comes, not just sprinkles, start timing when the rain gets serious.
If you can zip down there and trip the pump real quick, letting it empty is a good starting place for the measurement.
Time how much delay there is from the start of serious rain until the first pump cycle.
Then, how long until the 2nd cycle.
When the rain ends, how long delay until the last cycle (if there is a pump cycle after end of rain).

These will be the numbers you can compare to in the future.
I can't believe I told you to wait for rain to happen. My bad.

We should be far more pro-active. This can be done anytime day or night - EXCEPT when it is raining. When convenient for you.

First step would be handy to trip the pump once, just to start off with a good reference point - the bottom of the range.
Then place the end of your garden hose at a point either against your basement wall, or within a foot. Pick one of these spots: far end of your house, farthest from your kitchen; under your kitchen window, or just about over the front sewer pipe; back wall, about over your main crap pipe; one side of your sand pit, near the basement wall; the other side of the sand pit, unless it is already covered by one of the other locations here.
Start counting the minutes when you turn on the garden hose full blast.
Your water meter can tell you what the count is, and might tell you the flow. Letting out 20 gallons should be good, and 40 gallons should be more than enough. You will want to notate how many minutes elapsed until you end up turning the garden hose off.
After turning the hose on, take a nice comfy carpet scrap or air mattress down to the well, settle in a bit.
Take the measurements I noted above. Also the measurements I noted below will help.
Also observe the water flow into the well. When this flow rate changes, notate the change and the time.
After completing the observations, do not test another location until at least a day for the system to dry out.
Repeat the sequence at another of the locations I mentioned, or one of interest to you.

Quote:
This is data that would be good to know, at this point in time:
Go down to it, activate it until it almost sucks air, then wait 5 or 10 minutes - or until the water stops pouring into it from the inlet tube.
Then activate the pump again, until it just starts to suck air.
Then start the timer

After that 2nd manual activation, what is the surface level in the well after 1 minute? You can measure from the rim.
Then, what is the level after 2 minutes following the sucking air.
Then, what is the level after 5 minutes total?
After 10 min total?
after 15 min total?

Maybe I'll do that next week. It's raining tonight, but they' scaled it back quite a bit from how heavy it was supposed to be. Still would mess up any tests like this for now though.

I bought a pump. It should be here in a couple of days. Did a bit of research and bought one that comes out of Germany. A little more expensive than $17, but it's got some rave reviews. It's self-priming and can pump dry for 20 seconds, which is more than a lot of similar models claim.

It claims to push water UP three meters. I don't necessarily believe that, but I think I've decided that I want to set it up to go out the back of the house into the bathroom anyhow. I figure with 50 feet of vinyl tubing I can rig it so the tube is always in the well and I can mount the pump inside the crawl space. Then I can have the rest of the length for the output side out of sight in the crawl and only take it out back when I need it. I could either feed it right into the toilet (good for if the power goes out and the generator is not working for some reason, or if my sump pump ever fails again. Or I could feed it out the window and have about 15 feet of length away from the house (good for if my city sewer ever backs up again).

I can get 50 feet of tube for around $17 at the local store. Glad I checked that because it was nearly 3 times as expensive on Amazon for some reason.

Hoping for a real good test on this thing when I get it set up. My days of ever having to bail out water by hand via crab walking back and forth to the toilet should be a thing of the past if it does.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

You asked about the hose. That vinyl hose that I specified was for discharge, and I run that all over. But what you put in the well will be pulling water, making suction, vacuum. Not sure if that hose would collapse - which I know garden hose does. But that "reinforced" or whatever version of the hose I specified would like hold up just fine. Next time at HD, just fondle the different versions of the hose, and compare prices.
For your hose draining into your toilet, might set up some hanging doohickey on the main crap pipe, or something to hold up the hose when needed. I like those Gorilla Ties or whatever for that.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 2:45 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Been avoiding the foods I'm allergic to and seem to feel better most of the time. Yesterday I had some ketchup and rice and today may be feeling it in my knees, hips and ankles.
You allergic to ketchup? or tomatoes? or High Fructose Corn Syrup? Have you tired that real ketchup yet? Is the swelling in your joints considered to be RA?
Dr doesn't know if it's RA or something else, Tests for RA was only midly positive.

I've been tested for allergies and have an extensive list of things I'm allergic to (inhalation) plus eight foods including tomato, beef, rice, coffee, lettuce, potato, orange, and a couple of things I forget bc I don't eat them very often. But the test is incomplete bc there aren't solutions of ALL possible foods, so I find that I seem to have a bad reaction to all of the solinaceae (tomato, tomatillo, eggplant, potato and possibly their futher relations -peppers) and many of the citrus (orange, bergamot, grapefruit), black olives (also allergic to olive pollen) and who-knows-what-else.

If I stay strictly away from the foods I know I'm allergic to and their close relatives, I seem to do OK. Fortunately I can eat fish, chicken, turkey, pork, wheat, corn, just about every nut I've ever tried, beans, crucifers, curcurbits, etc. Unfortunately, dear daugther developed many food sensitivities after a bad gastrointestinal viral infection five years ago(kind of like I developed asthma after a bad viral URI when I was 20) and her food list is much more restricted than mine, and we're still trying to figure it out.

When I had my first covid in Nov 2019, nobody knew about covid, and also that it had anything to do with RA. That was the first time I ever had joint swelling like that. I was afraid I had torn my cartilage, I almost thought about going to a doctor. IIRC, I finally cleared it out with Boost, several days in a row, plus plain water for fluids. Possibly some niacin flush.
I had no idea any of it was related to covid because the only descriptions were respiratory issues. Around June 2020 or so, I finally heard about folk who had the same symptoms I had, and they were tested positive for covid. That was when I realized my joints had been from RA.

I'm curious about your ketchup situation. I expect you know that the 2 basic versions of BBQ sauce are ketchup-based, and vinegar-based - or more like vinegar and onion based. Can you use the vinegar & onion based kind?
How about steak sauces? I hate A-1, but find other brands in the same shape bottle, and they taste wonderful - on many meats other than beef.
Can you eat gyros? Lamb meat - even Arby's has those.
My fave condiments for fries are tartar sauce, sometimes 1000 Island dressing, and the best is the sauce of baked beans. If you make baked beans, maybe put some extra sauce off to the side for dipping stuff. Obviously you're not doing french fried potatoes, but maybe other stuff.
Do you eat fried zucchini? if so, sliced long like french fries or fingers, or cut into discs like pickles? I got hooked on the disc slices, deep fried with creamy ranch in the 1980s at Carl's Jr.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Spent the last three days looking into investment opportunities, but I had to shit can a couple days-worth of research when I started decsribing specific assets with 10-year charts and hubby was like "No, that's not what I was thinking about"

Well, DUH, what have we been talking about for the last MONTH? BLUE CHEESECAKE?

I swear to God what I say goes in one ear and out the other.

So now I'm on a whole new bunny trail and so far just coming up with confusion.

Hubby will spend DAYS deciding on what sandpaper to get, but can't be bothered to spend an hour thinking about where we might plunk a significant chunk of money. Then he says "Do what you want" but the last time I did I heard about it for the next 20 years. I love my hubby but sometimes he's a dick.

Just had to vent.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

If you'd like it's a topic I'd be EAGER to discuss with you!

Just let me know where you've already been so I don't retrace old ground.

I can think of several different scenarios for how things are going to go. A few months ago I read an article about which way will it go - depression or hyperinflation? Anyway, basically what they guy said was - there are so many unknowns being discussed among tptb that we'll never be able to ferret out, and on top of that it's a complex system with many hidden dynamics, and so ...nobody really knows or can possibly figure it out.

Well, I feel better about being confused!

But still, it doesn't the answer the question about what to do. And if it's right that the earth has a 40% chance of breaking the 1.5C safety limit at least once in the next 5 years - with outlooks of course for increasing frequency and severity of deviation - then the most important factors might not necessarily be economic, but resource access. I'm talking survivalist end-of-times territory.

Anyway, I'd be happy to discuss whatever is on the table to discuss.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You asked about the hose. That vinyl hose that I specified was for discharge, and I run that all over. But what you put in the well will be pulling water, making suction, vacuum. Not sure if that hose would collapse - which I know garden hose does. But that "reinforced" or whatever version of the hose I specified would like hold up just fine. Next time at HD, just fondle the different versions of the hose, and compare prices.

Ah... now that makes sense why the "frequently bought together" suggestions under the product had two different hoses along with it. The listing of the product didn't tell you that you should do this, but the instructions probably do. Yeah. I'd imagine the regular stuff could collapse under the kind of pressure that would be able to pull that vertically 3 meters.

Thanks for the tip.

Hopefully that stuff isn't too much more expensive. I'll be using a lot of it with my current plan. I don't want that pump back by the well. When I mount it I want to be able to get to it right inside the crawlspace door.

Maybe feeding it up through the kitchen cabinet will be the way to go. I'd rather not turn this into a $100 job when I thought I was going to get it done for under $50.

How long do you think the suction tube should be, maximum. I wasn't really thinking about that either, but perhaps the 25 feet I was considering is way too much for the pump.

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For your hose draining into your toilet, might set up some hanging doohickey on the main crap pipe, or something to hold up the hose when needed. I like those Gorilla Ties or whatever for that.

That would work, until I ever get around to finishing the bathroom. It's all exposed for now.

ETA:

Damn... that brings up another question about these pumps...

If the power is coming from the suction, would it even still be able to feed the water vertically beyond the pump (not sure how water works in this situation).

If I had that thing mounted in the crawl space, I could mount it high enough where gravity could get it into the toilet, but if I put the hose out the window that would actually be higher than even the highest possible point I could mount it in the crawl space.

This would also be an issue in the kitchen. If I mounted it in the cabinet somewhere, it would still have to force water up and around the front of the cabinet, above the countertop and then out the window... all of that past the pump itself.
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Friday, May 28, 2021 12:11 PM

Figured I'd mention we'd only gotten .91" last night. Not the 1.5" we were expected to get, but not insignificant either. The vast bulk of that looks to have fallen within a 5 hour period overnight.

If you go back 72 hours, it's been 1.22" of rain.

That being said, I was up for quite a bit when I got home last night and never heard the pump go on. I haven't heard it go on this morning either.

Not really sure if that tells us anything valuable, but no noise is good noise.

ETA: I hadn't gone downstairs before I said that. Having a water noise is a new sensation for me. I went down and water was clearly flowing freely into the well. Not fast enough to come in from the 4" pipe toward the center, but fast enough to make a loud enough noise to hear from the door to the crawl.

It looked close to the top so I figured I'd start a stopwatch when it finally went off. 20 minutes later I was tired of waiting so I just forced it. That was at 12:21. It's now 2:03 and it hasn't gone off.

I think at this point the drainage has been fixed enough that normal/average rainfalls aren't going to be a problem at all. There must have been quite a bit of wind last night because the ground up to the foundation was visibly wet, and there is even some dirt along the siding from the splash.

We got a good soak. There was also visible signs that the three drain pipes were letting out water down the driveway as intended, and no evidence that they were leaking anywhere by the downspouts.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 1:01 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Spent the last three days looking into investment opportunities, but I had to shit can a couple days-worth of research when I started decsribing specific assets with 10-year charts and hubby was like "No, that's not what I was thinking about"

Well, DUH, what have we been talking about for the last MONTH? BLUE CHEESECAKE?

I swear to God what I say goes in one ear and out the other.

So now I'm on a whole new bunny trail and so far just coming up with confusion.

Hubby will spend DAYS deciding on what sandpaper to get, but can't be bothered to spend an hour thinking about where we might plunk a significant chunk of money. Then he says "Do what you want" but the last time I did I heard about it for the next 20 years. I love my hubby but sometimes he's a dick.

Just had to vent.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

Just a suggestion, but why don't you tell him to do it?

You could probably do it a lot better than I would. I think if I ever got married that union would be shorter than Britney Spears' marriage.

Feel free to rant though. It's not like I don't use this place to blow off steam from time to time. Better to let it out here than allow that frustration to fester in the real world.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 1:05 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNYM:
Spent the last three days looking into investment opportunities, but I had to shit can a couple days-worth of research when I started decsribing specific assets with 10-year charts and hubby was like "No, that's not what I was thinking about"
Well, DUH, what have we been talking about for the last MONTH? BLUE CHEESECAKE?
I swear to God what I say goes in one ear and out the other.
So now I'm on a whole new bunny trail and so far just coming up with confusion.
Hubby will spend DAYS deciding on what sandpaper to get, but can't be bothered to spend an hour thinking about where we might plunk a significant chunk of money. Then he says "Do what you want" but the last time I did I heard about it for the next 20 years. I love my hubby but sometimes he's a dick.
Just had to vent.

KIKI: If you'd like it's a topic I'd be EAGER to discuss with you!
Just let me know where you've already been so I don't retrace old ground.
I can think of several different scenarios for how things are going to go. A few months ago I read an article about which way will it go - depression or hyperinflation? Anyway, basically what they guy said was - there are so many unknowns being discussed among tptb that we'll never be able to ferret out, and on top of that it's a complex system with many hidden dynamics, and so ...nobody really knows or can possibly figure it out.Well, I feel better about being confused!
But still, it doesn't the answer the question about what to do. And if it's right that the earth has a 40% chance of breaking the 1.5C safety limit at least once in the next 5 years - with outlooks of course for increasing frequency and severity of deviation - then the most important factors might not necessarily be economic, but resource access. I'm talking survivalist end-of-times territory.

Anyway, I'd be happy to discuss whatever is on the table to discuss.

Well, what we're trying to do is disaster-proof our savings for the next 50 years, not make a lot of $$$.

IMHO no matter wha happens, the dollar is either going to devalue or disappear completely bc there is nothing - except our military- backing its value (no manufacturing, pisspoor management of financialism, and serious military overextenion). I can't imagine how that would work out in the long run, and we'd have to reform our economy and leadership so drastically I can't imagine anyone pulling us out of this bc bc most of our pols and ALLof our deep state are beholden to $$, and that's the problem.

The stock market and RE are floating on bubbles of Fed money-printing. SO looking outside of the dollar, what kinds of assets are going to retain value?

I would look to real assets in the USA (farmland, gas) and well-managed water-rich and/or commodity-rich economies (currencies, bonds, stocks) outside of the USA, and gold and silver. Norway (not Sweden), Bolivia, Russia, Iceland. Not China bc it's full of speculative bubbles and financial manipulation, not Sweden (they've taken that whole "political correctness" to the point of destroying their own nation), not the EU (not a real nation), not Singapore (all financialism) are first thoughts. But this prolly belongs in the de-dollarization thread. When I have more time I'll post into there.

BTW, projections for the USA indicate HIGHER rainfall totals almost everywhere except, of course, the southwest which is anticipated to be 25% drier on average than now. So land which might be marginal now (High Plains) might benefit from more rainfall. Of course, it will be more sporadic ... torrential one year, parched the next ... but good aquifer managment should be able to handle that. I'm looking specifically at Utah bc it's a well-managed state w/o excessive debt, has that whole Mormon-cohesion thing going for it and has some nice ranching areas in the high valleys. Idaho also, on the dry side of the mountains. South Dakota is like Delaware - an incorporation-friendly state - and is apparently incredibly corrupt. If anything across the globe orthe USA stands out for you, let's go to the de-dollarization thread.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 1:27 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

On the plus side of the ledger, wedid the weekly grocery shopping and THIS week I was under budget, which makes up for last week.

In the little time I had left between shopping and dinner-making, I went out and cleared a space in the nasturtiums and planted cantaloupe, and made an awesome Thai red curry (testing dear daughter's tolerance to potatoes) with stir-fried marinated pork with cilantro.

Yesterday we had Korean-style turkey with zucchini (zucchini was the challenge food) and she did OK with that, so zucchini can stay on the menu. Good thing, too, because my zucchini plants are making little zucchini already!

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Friday, May 28, 2021 1:42 PM

Out for a walk on a dry day so far.

I hate days when I have the feeling I should be rushing places then I have to remind myself that there is no reason to be rushing.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 4:56 PM

I wouldn't really expect too much with the investing. It's all a rigged game at this point.

I think your generation can eek out the living you've been accustomed to. Maybe it lasts a decade or two beyond that.

The 90% are more or less going to be on the dole afterward. I don't think there's really going to be any way to shelter what amounts to peanuts compared to the multiple trillions we're going to be spending every year going forward now. It's all monopoly money.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 5:18 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Signy

I THINK I vaguely recall a thread with some version of 'dedollarizing' in its title, but I went WAY back to 2014 and couldn't find it.

Could you meant this The death of the dollar? http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61834 instead?

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Friday, May 28, 2021 5:24 PM

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SIGNYM:
Spent the last three days looking into investment opportunities, but I had to shit can a couple days-worth of research when I started decsribing specific assets with 10-year charts and hubby was like "No, that's not what I was thinking about"
Well, DUH, what have we been talking about for the last MONTH? BLUE CHEESECAKE?
I swear to God what I say goes in one ear and out the other.
So now I'm on a whole new bunny trail and so far just coming up with confusion.
Hubby will spend DAYS deciding on what sandpaper to get, but can't be bothered to spend an hour thinking about where we might plunk a significant chunk of money. Then he says "Do what you want" but the last time I did I heard about it for the next 20 years. I love my hubby but sometimes he's a dick.
Just had to vent.

KIKI: If you'd like it's a topic I'd be EAGER to discuss with you!
Just let me know where you've already been so I don't retrace old ground.
I can think of several different scenarios for how things are going to go. A few months ago I read an article about which way will it go - depression or hyperinflation? Anyway, basically what they guy said was - there are so many unknowns being discussed among tptb that we'll never be able to ferret out, and on top of that it's a complex system with many hidden dynamics, and so ...nobody really knows or can possibly figure it out.Well, I feel better about being confused!
But still, it doesn't the answer the question about what to do. And if it's right that the earth has a 40% chance of breaking the 1.5C safety limit at least once in the next 5 years - with outlooks of course for increasing frequency and severity of deviation - then the most important factors might not necessarily be economic, but resource access. I'm talking survivalist end-of-times territory.

Anyway, I'd be happy to discuss whatever is on the table to discuss.
Well, what we're trying to do is disaster-proof our savings for the next 50 years, not make a lot of $$$.

IMHO no matter wha happens, the dollar is either going to devalue or disappear completely bc there is nothing - except our military- backing its value (no manufacturing, pisspoor management of financialism, and serious military overextenion). I can't imagine how that would work out in the long run, and we'd have to reform our economy and leadership so drastically I can't imagine anyone pulling us out of this bc bc most of our pols and ALLof our deep state are beholden to $$, and that's the problem.

The stock market and RE are floating on bubbles of Fed money-printing. SO looking outside of the dollar, what kinds of assets are going to retain value?

I would look to real assets in the USA (farmland, gas) and well-managed water-rich and/or commodity-rich economies (currencies, bonds, stocks) outside of the USA, and gold and silver. Norway (not Sweden), Bolivia, Russia, Iceland. Not China bc it's full of speculative bubbles and financial manipulation, not Sweden (they've taken that whole "political correctness" to the point of destroying their own nation), not the EU (not a real nation), not Singapore (all financialism) are first thoughts. But this prolly belongs in the de-dollarization thread. When I have more time I'll post into there.

BTW, projections for the USA indicate HIGHER rainfall totals almost everywhere except, of course, the southwest which is anticipated to be 25% drier on average than now. So land which might be marginal now (High Plains) might benefit from more rainfall. Of course, it will be more sporadic ... torrential one year, parched the next ... but good aquifer managment should be able to handle that. I'm looking specifically at Utah bc it's a well-managed state w/o excessive debt, has that whole Mormon-cohesion thing going for it and has some nice ranching areas in the high valleys. Idaho also, on the dry side of the mountains. South Dakota is like Delaware - an incorporation-friendly state - and is apparently incredibly corrupt. If anything across the globe orthe USA stands out for you, let's go to the de-dollarization thread.

I would be wary of farmland as investment. Most farmland is vastly overpriced because of unsustainable cornsyrup/ethanol bubble. This makes it between 3 and 6 times the actual real value. The only folk using it as investment are farmers, because they need the land to farm - but they still hate the exorbitant prices. And those farmland prices are destroying family farming in America. When the markets collapse, those fake and artificial markets like ethanol are going to be the first to implode, in favor of products with actual value.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 5:38 PM

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You asked about the hose. That vinyl hose that I specified was for discharge, and I run that all over. But what you put in the well will be pulling water, making suction, vacuum. Not sure if that hose would collapse - which I know garden hose does. But that "reinforced" or whatever version of the hose I specified would like hold up just fine. Next time at HD, just fondle the different versions of the hose, and compare prices.
Ah... now that makes sense why the "frequently bought together" suggestions under the product had two different hoses along with it. The listing of the product didn't tell you that you should do this, but the instructions probably do. Yeah. I'd imagine the regular stuff could collapse under the kind of pressure that would be able to pull that vertically 3 meters.

Thanks for the tip.

Hopefully that stuff isn't too much more expensive. I'll be using a lot of it with my current plan. I don't want that pump back by the well. When I mount it I want to be able to get to it right inside the crawlspace door.

I think that is what I've been saying for quite some time.
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Maybe feeding it up through the kitchen cabinet will be the way to go. I'd rather not turn this into a $100 job when I thought I was going to get it done for under $50.
That $17 drill pump should have been plenty good. I would have conjured well under $50 for that setup.

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How long do you think the suction tube should be, maximum. I wasn't really thinking about that either, but perhaps the 25 feet I was considering is way too much for the pump.
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For your hose draining into your toilet, might set up some hanging doohickey on the main crap pipe, or something to hold up the hose when needed. I like those Gorilla Ties or whatever for that.
That would work, until I ever get around to finishing the bathroom. It's all exposed for now.

ETA:

Damn... that brings up another question about these pumps...

If the power is coming from the suction, would it even still be able to feed the water vertically beyond the pump (not sure how water works in this situation).

If I had that thing mounted in the crawl space, I could mount it high enough where gravity could get it into the toilet, but if I put the hose out the window that would actually be higher than even the highest possible point I could mount it in the crawl space.

This would also be an issue in the kitchen. If I mounted it in the cabinet somewhere, it would still have to force water up and around the front of the cabinet, above the countertop and then out the window... all of that past the pump itself.

The pump will create suction on the intake side, and also pressure on the output side.
Having a smaller diameter hose on the intake will help it not collapse, and increase the distance that the vacuum is effective. But as long as the end is under water, the vacuum will work. I don't see 25 feet (horizontal) as being any problem(but vertical is all kinds of different - that would be the top of your house, right?). you might realize that you could even have a setup without a pump, let it drain itself to your toilet.
How much each hose is effective depends on how much pressure or suction the pump creates. I had conjured that after getting that $17 drill pump, you could try that vinyl hose from well to doorway, with a 5 gallon pail for discharge, and test it to see how ell it all worked. My cordless drills have 3 speed settings, so each of these could have been checked before your final solution, cutting and connecting, was done.
Using a smaller diameter hose on either intake or discharge will make the pump work harder, but this is just for emergency use, a backup plan - from where I'm standing.
I don't know what are the positive pressure rating and negative pressure (vacuum) for your pump, and I didn't even bother to look at the $17 job. This is not some workhorse, just something to help out maybe once every couple years. The most important part is to have a plan for when everything goes to poop, and have things prepped to address that plan so that the plan is workable when you (might) need it.

I finally realized you might not know how to do a plain gravity pump drain with just a hose. You could have done this last year, during flooding. I will try to explain in a following post.

ETA: If you used one size hose for output of pump, and pushing it vertical, then after the peak having a adapter to put on a larger hose after the peak, then the output end wouldn't be splattering as much from your pump pressure. Just don't use larger hose on the vacuum side, or on the incline/vertical portion before the peak.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 7:36 PM

Explaining for 6ix a simple, gravity pump hose drain, which actually does not have what he would think of as a pump.

This can be easily tested, but may not be exactly what he wants - but understanding the concept helps understand how little power a pump actually needs, in emergency situation.

Items needed: 1. a hose or sufficient length. 2. If it is a garden hose, then a cap and plug to be able to seal each end of the hose, or those cheap plastic on/off valves to screw on each end. If a different kind of hose, then something to seal the ends - like something to pinch, or a good rubber band to hold a fold-over pinch, etc.

Example situation: inside well is 6 feet below the dirt on outside, and sill of kitchen window is 6 feet above the dirt surface. Desire to empty well, via window, to the dirt which is higher elevation.

Length of hose. to go straight up from bottom of well to sill of window, with some zigzagging around obstructions (pretending there is a hold in kitchen floor for hose routing), would be 12 feet vertical, and let's say 16 feet grand total length of hose.
From sill to ground is a drop of 6 feet. Grand total of hose would seem to be 22 feet. But this would not accomplish the task desired.
The minimum length of hose outside is likely about 18 feet, but let us say we'll use 30 feet outside, for a total of 46 feet.

First, dip one end of hose into well (or other water supply), and feed in the whole length of hose, coiling it up in the well, and ending with the whole hose in the well, and all of the air was purged, the whole hose is filled with water now. afix the cap and plug to the hose ends now. This could be called priming - removing all of the air.
Second, feed the hose through it's inside route (you could take the whole hose to the kitchen, and let one end drop through the floor hole towards the well). Drop the rest of the hose through the window.
Ensure the well end is submerged in the well water, have a weight to hold that end at the bottom of the well.
Outside, let us pretend that the front door walkway is almost 30' away from the kitchen window. And imagine that there is some hook or quasi-clamp at both the window and at the front walkway, which can hold (or "stretch") the hose into a fairly straight line - or, more likely, just some supports propping it up so that it is a gradually declining slope.

At this moment, the inside has 16' of water filling the hose, with 12 vertical feet. And the outside has 30' of water filling the hose, all of it being pulled by gravity. There is a formula for all of this, using the elevations of the ends and the fulcrum, or "high point", peak, and the lengths on each side of the peak.

Third, go to the well and unplug the end, keeping the end submerged. If air was able to enter the hose, then the inside portion of the hose would try to drain into the well. Place a weight on the end to keep the end near the bottom.
Fourth, go to the end at the front walkway, and take off that cap.
Now the weight of the water on the outside of the sill (peak) will pull the water on the inside of the sill, and this flow of water will take the well water and dump it on the walkway. The flow will pick up speed such that the end will have a large, long sucking sound in the well end. This stops being functional when the well end is no longer submerged.
If this was to be controlled in a primed state, then the end at the walkway could be capped again (before the well is sucking air), or turn off that valve, or pinch/clamp it. The water would stay in the hose, keeping it primed. When the well was full again, open up the walkway end again, process repeats.

This is not really the best solution for 6ix, but an easy example.
Another adaptation would be (in an emergency) from well to basement toilet. Make the high point near the well, and fun the hose straight across the hallway into the bathroom, and toilet, trying to maintain a downslope. The 50ish feet of toilet side from the peak would easily outweigh the 4-6 feet from the bottom of the well to the peak in between the floor joists of the kitchen floor.

This should help understand how little power is actually needed for a pump to help out.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SIGNYM:
Spent the last three days looking into investment opportunities, but I had to shit can a couple days-worth of research when I started decsribing specific assets with 10-year charts and hubby was like "No, that's not what I was thinking about"
Well, DUH, what have we been talking about for the last MONTH? BLUE CHEESECAKE?
I swear to God what I say goes in one ear and out the other.
So now I'm on a whole new bunny trail and so far just coming up with confusion.
Hubby will spend DAYS deciding on what sandpaper to get, but can't be bothered to spend an hour thinking about where we might plunk a significant chunk of money. Then he says "Do what you want" but the last time I did I heard about it for the next 20 years. I love my hubby but sometimes he's a dick.
Just had to vent.

KIKI: If you'd like it's a topic I'd be EAGER to discuss with you!
Just let me know where you've already been so I don't retrace old ground.
I can think of several different scenarios for how things are going to go. A few months ago I read an article about which way will it go - depression or hyperinflation? Anyway, basically what they guy said was - there are so many unknowns being discussed among tptb that we'll never be able to ferret out, and on top of that it's a complex system with many hidden dynamics, and so ...nobody really knows or can possibly figure it out.Well, I feel better about being confused!
But still, it doesn't the answer the question about what to do. And if it's right that the earth has a 40% chance of breaking the 1.5C safety limit at least once in the next 5 years - with outlooks of course for increasing frequency and severity of deviation - then the most important factors might not necessarily be economic, but resource access. I'm talking survivalist end-of-times territory.

Anyway, I'd be happy to discuss whatever is on the table to discuss.
Well, what we're trying to do is disaster-proof our savings for the next 50 years, not make a lot of $$$.

IMHO no matter wha happens, the dollar is either going to devalue or disappear completely bc there is nothing - except our military- backing its value (no manufacturing, pisspoor management of financialism, and serious military overextenion). I can't imagine how that would work out in the long run, and we'd have to reform our economy and leadership so drastically I can't imagine anyone pulling us out of this bc bc most of our pols and ALLof our deep state are beholden to $$, and that's the problem.

The stock market and RE are floating on bubbles of Fed money-printing. SO looking outside of the dollar, what kinds of assets are going to retain value?

I would look to real assets in the USA (farmland, gas) and well-managed water-rich and/or commodity-rich economies (currencies, bonds, stocks) outside of the USA, and gold and silver. Norway (not Sweden), Bolivia, Russia, Iceland. Not China bc it's full of speculative bubbles and financial manipulation, not Sweden (they've taken that whole "political correctness" to the point of destroying their own nation), not the EU (not a real nation), not Singapore (all financialism) are first thoughts. But this prolly belongs in the de-dollarization thread. When I have more time I'll post into there.

BTW, projections for the USA indicate HIGHER rainfall totals almost everywhere except, of course, the southwest which is anticipated to be 25% drier on average than now. So land which might be marginal now (High Plains) might benefit from more rainfall. Of course, it will be more sporadic ... torrential one year, parched the next ... but good aquifer managment should be able to handle that. I'm looking specifically at Utah bc it's a well-managed state w/o excessive debt, has that whole Mormon-cohesion thing going for it and has some nice ranching areas in the high valleys. Idaho also, on the dry side of the mountains. South Dakota is like Delaware - an incorporation-friendly state - and is apparently incredibly corrupt. If anything across the globe orthe USA stands out for you, let's go to the de-dollarization thread.
I would be wary of farmland as investment. Most farmland is vastly overpriced because of unsustainable cornsyrup/ethanol bubble. This makes it between 3 and 6 times the actual real value. The only folk using it as investment are farmers, because they need the land to farm - but they still hate the exorbitant prices. And those farmland prices are destroying family farming in America. When the markets collapse, those fake and artificial markets like ethanol are going to be the first to implode, in favor of products with actual value.

Thanks for the advice! I think the trick would be to avoid land normally used for farming corn, and look at the drier parts of the USA (like Idaho and the dry side of Oregon) normally used for things like winter wheat, which may become wetter over time.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 8:04 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SIGNYM:
Spent the last three days looking into investment opportunities, but I had to shit can a couple days-worth of research when I started decsribing specific assets with 10-year charts and hubby was like "No, that's not what I was thinking about"
Well, DUH, what have we been talking about for the last MONTH? BLUE CHEESECAKE?
I swear to God what I say goes in one ear and out the other.
So now I'm on a whole new bunny trail and so far just coming up with confusion.
Hubby will spend DAYS deciding on what sandpaper to get, but can't be bothered to spend an hour thinking about where we might plunk a significant chunk of money. Then he says "Do what you want" but the last time I did I heard about it for the next 20 years. I love my hubby but sometimes he's a dick.
Just had to vent.

KIKI: If you'd like it's a topic I'd be EAGER to discuss with you!
Just let me know where you've already been so I don't retrace old ground.
I can think of several different scenarios for how things are going to go. A few months ago I read an article about which way will it go - depression or hyperinflation? Anyway, basically what they guy said was - there are so many unknowns being discussed among tptb that we'll never be able to ferret out, and on top of that it's a complex system with many hidden dynamics, and so ...nobody really knows or can possibly figure it out.Well, I feel better about being confused!
But still, it doesn't the answer the question about what to do. And if it's right that the earth has a 40% chance of breaking the 1.5C safety limit at least once in the next 5 years - with outlooks of course for increasing frequency and severity of deviation - then the most important factors might not necessarily be economic, but resource access. I'm talking survivalist end-of-times territory.

Anyway, I'd be happy to discuss whatever is on the table to discuss.
Well, what we're trying to do is disaster-proof our savings for the next 50 years, not make a lot of $$$.

IMHO no matter wha happens, the dollar is either going to devalue or disappear completely bc there is nothing - except our military- backing its value (no manufacturing, pisspoor management of financialism, and serious military overextenion). I can't imagine how that would work out in the long run, and we'd have to reform our economy and leadership so drastically I can't imagine anyone pulling us out of this bc bc most of our pols and ALLof our deep state are beholden to $$, and that's the problem.

The stock market and RE are floating on bubbles of Fed money-printing. SO looking outside of the dollar, what kinds of assets are going to retain value?

I would look to real assets in the USA (farmland, gas) and well-managed water-rich and/or commodity-rich economies (currencies, bonds, stocks) outside of the USA, and gold and silver. Norway (not Sweden), Bolivia, Russia, Iceland. Not China bc it's full of speculative bubbles and financial manipulation, not Sweden (they've taken that whole "political correctness" to the point of destroying their own nation), not the EU (not a real nation), not Singapore (all financialism) are first thoughts. But this prolly belongs in the de-dollarization thread. When I have more time I'll post into there.

BTW, projections for the USA indicate HIGHER rainfall totals almost everywhere except, of course, the southwest which is anticipated to be 25% drier on average than now. So land which might be marginal now (High Plains) might benefit from more rainfall. Of course, it will be more sporadic ... torrential one year, parched the next ... but good aquifer managment should be able to handle that. I'm looking specifically at Utah bc it's a well-managed state w/o excessive debt, has that whole Mormon-cohesion thing going for it and has some nice ranching areas in the high valleys. Idaho also, on the dry side of the mountains. South Dakota is like Delaware - an incorporation-friendly state - and is apparently incredibly corrupt. If anything across the globe orthe USA stands out for you, let's go to the de-dollarization thread.
I would be wary of farmland as investment. Most farmland is vastly overpriced because of unsustainable cornsyrup/ethanol bubble. This makes it between 3 and 6 times the actual real value. The only folk using it as investment are farmers, because they need the land to farm - but they still hate the exorbitant prices. And those farmland prices are destroying family farming in America. When the markets collapse, those fake and artificial markets like ethanol are going to be the first to implode, in favor of products with actual value.
Thanks for the advice! I think the trick would be to avoid land normally used for farming corn, and look at the drier parts of the USA (like Idaho and the dry side of Oregon) normally used for things like winter wheat, which may become wetter over time.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

"normally" can be tricky. Corn is a highly rotated crop, getting switched with other crops in the same fields, depending upon season, etc. Because corn is the most over-priced, any farmland that can occasionally sustain it will get corn in rotation.
If you found land that is classified as "farmland" and also incapable of sustaining an occasional crop of corn (even if it is habitually used for some other crop - the value will be calculated based upon the highest priced crop, not what crop a farmer chooses to use it for), then you'd be on the right track. I recall that very hilly and rocky land is good for hemp (more pricey than corn, and WI was the nation's #1 supplier of government hemp for WWII), but that sort of land does not lend itself towards corn planting and harvesting.

I can't really think of "farmland" which is not going to be artificially overpriced just because of the possibility of corn production, but you might. I'm just saying to be aware.
Maybe also keep in mind foreign sources of crops.
Cotton fields are notoriously unprofitable (unless you have Slave Labor, for real), and then Giza cotton affects US cotton demands. IIRC, Durham Wheat had some weird supply/demand ramifications on other international wheat, but I don't recall the details.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 9:08 PM

Got quite a bit of unexpected rain late in the day to make up for what we didn't get last night. I had to go outside and clean out the neighbors sewer and the one by the ditch because the streets were flooding.

The time between cycles for the 1" storm last night was a little over 4 hours after I manually forced it.

That was at 4:14

But then it started raining hard for a while in between.

Here's the times for the cycles after that...

6:28PM
6:49PM
7:08PM
7:25PM
7:41PM
7:55PM

I don't see how we woudn't be getting back to 5 minute pump cycles with another 3.6" rain. We've only had about 1.75" in the last 72 hours right now.

Granted, the sump cycles now are only 15 seconds instead of 22 seconds, and water is flowing freely into the well without any water backing up the flow.

Rain is tapering off to almost nothing at this point. I'll keep an ear out for it and see when and how much it starts spreading out again once the rain stops.

P.S. That pump I got came today. I was mistaken. The "3 meters" was the maximum depth of water the vacuum side of the hose should be in. It claims to be able to pump water vertically a whopping 15 meters!

I could feed it out my garage gutter and have that take it away to the street if that's true lol.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 9:16 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Signy

I'd be happy to meet you here The death of the dollar? http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61834 if that's what you were thinking about.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 9:30 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

But since you're discussing it here for now, -

I guess I'd be wondering about ultimate time-frame. I think maybe 40 years would be about right.

Many decades ago a very smart person said something to the effect - human numbers increase, but land doesn't. (They also said - inflation is too many dollars chasing after too few goods.)

Anyway, if you're thinking of land as a literal investment - as in you don't want to live on it, just buy and sell it - that's one thing. But of you mean land as in you want a place to hunker down and survive, that's another thing!

In terms of strict investment, I think we've seen too many housing bubbles to feel that land prices have some even medium-term intrinsic value. So it's imo all about playing the market, going from one investment to the next before it crashes. But that's not very disaster-proof. But even as longer-term investment, despite the dictum about land and people, isn't disaster proof. For example, during the Great Depression, and the Dust Bowl, people were abandoning a lot of land! and it took many decades for that land-value to recover. Ultimately, I see global warming as the great killer of land as strictly an investment. I imagine that the wars and crises that it'll create will kill the petroleum market (just look at how that cratered during COVID-19!) and make current agribusiness farming models fail.

So my opinion of land as strictly a disaster-proof investment is poor.

BTW, way back when - I was a teen - for some reason I was looking at buying land in Canada, when it was cheap. Since then I've been looking at land prices here and there in the US and Canada, and even the most godforsaken plot of dust or mud seems to have someone speculating on it and driving the price up to many hundreds of dollars an acre.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 9:38 PM

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Got quite a bit of unexpected rain late in the day to make up for what we didn't get last night. I had to go outside and clean out the neighbors sewer and the one by the ditch because the streets were flooding.

The time between cycles for the 1" storm last night was a little over 4 hours after I manually forced it.

That was at 4:14

But then it started raining hard for a while in between.

Here's the times for the cycles after that...

6:28PM
6:49PM - 21 min
7:08PM - 19 min
7:25PM - 17 min
7:41PM - 16 min
7:55PM - 14 min

I don't see how we woudn't be getting back to 5 minute pump cycles with another 3.6" rain. We've only had about 1.75" in the last 72 hours right now.

Granted, the sump cycles now are only 15 seconds instead of 22 seconds, and water is flowing freely into the well without any water backing up the flow.

Rain is tapering off to almost nothing at this point. I'll keep an ear out for it and see when and how much it starts spreading out again once the rain stops.

P.S. That pump I got came today. I was mistaken. The "3 meters" was the maximum depth of water the vacuum side of the hose should be in. It claims to be able to pump water vertically a whopping 15 meters!

I think you are talking 4:14 am. But then I don't see a time around 6pm when the rain started hard.
It does seem about 20" in an hour.

That pump is talking 3 meters of vertical suction (much more difficult than vertical pressure), and 30 feet or more of horizontal should be no problem, providing the hose does not collapse. But how many speeds does your drill/driver have? Maybe try the lowest setting to start.

I would not be concerned if the pump cycle intervals become 5 min, or less. But the number you want is how long does that frequency continue? And how much delay after rain started, how much delay after hard rain stopped?

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Friday, May 28, 2021 9:49 PM

If buying Real Estate, might as well buy when the prices are low. Which might have been last year, but doesn't seem like now. When everybody is selling. A common measure is "New Home Sales" - which means another piece of land evaporated from the supply.

IIRC, land in the Upper Peninsula goes fairly cheap. Folk buy up huge plots, call them "Camps" - if they put a building on it, graduates to Cabin. That is MI. The downside is that MI is run by Detroit, down in the smaller peninsula.

If you are thinking about wooded land, do check out the forest management programs, to avoid gobs of taxes on the land. If you don't improve the land, or harvest the trees, the programs give a huge break.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 10:44 PM

My boss is an idiot. She called this morning and left a message on my answering machine wondering where I was. I called her back and said I was waiting for her to confirm for me to be there, which she didn't.

Anyways long story short went to work today and she has reset my schedule to every two weeks. We'll see how long that lasts with summer coming.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 10:45 PM

Also the brand of almond milk I am using has just decided to add that stupid *&^%$^&**^^&*&&^%% additive. So, that is now off my menu and there doesn't seem to be any milk substitute that can use because they all have that idiot additive in them.

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Friday, May 28, 2021 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Got quite a bit of unexpected rain late in the day to make up for what we didn't get last night. I had to go outside and clean out the neighbors sewer and the one by the ditch because the streets were flooding.

The time between cycles for the 1" storm last night was a little over 4 hours after I manually forced it.

That was at 4:14

But then it started raining hard for a while in between.

Here's the times for the cycles after that...

6:28PM
6:49PM - 21 min
7:08PM - 19 min
7:25PM - 17 min
7:41PM - 16 min
7:55PM - 14 min

I don't see how we woudn't be getting back to 5 minute pump cycles with another 3.6" rain. We've only had about 1.75" in the last 72 hours right now.

Granted, the sump cycles now are only 15 seconds instead of 22 seconds, and water is flowing freely into the well without any water backing up the flow.

Rain is tapering off to almost nothing at this point. I'll keep an ear out for it and see when and how much it starts spreading out again once the rain stops.

P.S. That pump I got came today. I was mistaken. The "3 meters" was the maximum depth of water the vacuum side of the hose should be in. It claims to be able to pump water vertically a whopping 15 meters!

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I think you are talking 4:14 am. But then I don't see a time around 6pm when the rain started hard.

No. It was 4:14PM when I recorded the pump cycle.

That was the only time it went off after I had forced it on at 12:21PM when it was almost full. I meant to say that it was just less than 4 hours... not more.

This would have been several hours after we had just had around .90 in about 5 or 6 hours overnight, and tapering off during the 10AM hour.

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It does seem about 20" in an hour.

Yeah. It's more than that now. See below...

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That pump is talking 3 meters of vertical suction (much more difficult than vertical pressure), and 30 feet or more of horizontal should be no problem, providing the hose does not collapse. But how many speeds does your drill/driver have? Maybe try the lowest setting to start.

If by speeds you mean the torque settings, my cordless impact driver has 22 of them. I also have two other cordless drills that aren't as powerful, but there's more than just 3. Starting at the low settings is good advice.

Also, FYI... This drill pump I've got says it can run dry for 30 seconds, which is more than the listing said. It comes lubricated, but says that you should use oil in it before use. (Doesn't mention what type of oil). I'll have to see what type people use for these things. I've got bar and chain oil as well as the oil you drop into a nailer when using a compressor. Not sure if either of those will do the trick or not.

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I would not be concerned if the pump cycle intervals become 5 min, or less. But the number you want is how long does that frequency continue? And how much delay after rain started, how much delay after hard rain stopped?

Rain started pouring pretty heavy between 5:00 and 5:20PM today. It seems that it didn't take long to start going into the well. That first cycle after I had forced it and we hadn't had any new rain was nearly 4 hours.

But roughly right in between the 4:14 cycle and the 6:28 cycle is when it started coming down hard (to varying degrees over the next 4 hours then tapering off).

It's still raining here now, but almost nothing. Only .03" last hour.

We just had another .68" since the 5PM hour, added on top of the .9 inches we got last night, added with some residuals we had before that for a total of 1.9" in the last 72 hours.

Right now, the sump has been going off every 10 minutes for the last 7 cycles. I expect that to start dropping off now that the rain has calmed down.

So we're looking at around 30" per hour in the well right now.

(The cylinder volume calculator I posted before says 34.5 Gallons an hour, for 30" with a 18.5" diameter)

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Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:54 AM

From 8:54 to 11:54 it his gone off every 10 minutes on average.

The only notable change was a switch to the X:X3 minutes at 9:43 hour and then a switch back to the X:X4 minutes at 11:24.

So it never quite got down to 9 minutes per cycle during the 9:00 hour although several cycles were under 10 minutes. And now it hasn't gotten back up to 11 minutes per cycle yet, but cycles have been above 10 minutes enough to have one be 11 minutes apart.

After over an hour of rain hanging on past when it was supposed to stop, it now looks like it's officially over for at least the next 24 hours.

Three hour accumulation has been .16". One hour accumulation has been .01"

I don't know how long I'll be up tonight, but I'll keep records for a while with my fingers crossed and be sure to do a check when I get up in the morning and see how it is.

ETA:

I missed the cycles between 11:44 and the on that just went off at 12:50, but yes... we have gained 6 minutes in the last hour.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 12:25 AM

It's about 28 minutes between cycles now, with a steady rise all day.

At this point, my guess is 108 cycles since 6:28PM up to the last cycle before midnight tonight.

At roughly 5.66 gallons per cycle, that would be 611 gallons in the last 30 hours, and there's been no rain for over 24 hours.

The pump didn't go off all that much with that first .90" rain we had (I wish I was keeping track... don't remember why I didn't). It had been a while since we got any rain at that point and the ground was pretty dry.

But after we got the following .95 or so inches, adding up to right about 1.9" in 72 hours, that's when it started going off a lot.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess 32 cycles tomorrow if we don't hit the floor. That would be another 181 gallons if that happens.

I'm going to be installing a wi-fi camera down there. Not sure what bells and whistles it's got, but my hope is that I'll be able to put the "sump pump channel" on my TV, and hopefully be able to get timestamps for all the future cycles instead of having to babysit it all day long. It's a lot harder to do because it makes about 1/10th as much noise as it did before I dug the well out.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 2:09 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It's about 28 minutes between cycles now, with a steady rise all day.

At this point, my guess is 108 cycles since 6:28PM up to the last cycle before midnight tonight.

At roughly 5.66 gallons per cycle, that would be 611 gallons in the last 30 hours, and there's been no rain for over 24 hours.

The pump didn't go off all that much with that first .90" rain we had (I wish I was keeping track... don't remember why I didn't). It had been a while since we got any rain at that point and the ground was pretty dry.

But after we got the following .95 or so inches, adding up to right about 1.9" in 72 hours, that's when it started going off a lot.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess 32 cycles tomorrow if we don't hit the floor. That would be another 181 gallons if that happens.

I'm going to be installing a wi-fi camera down there. Not sure what bells and whistles it's got, but my hope is that I'll be able to put the "sump pump channel" on my TV, and hopefully be able to get timestamps for all the future cycles instead of having to babysit it all day long. It's a lot harder to do because it makes about 1/10th as much noise as it did before I dug the well out.

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For your camera action, you might use a paint pen, probably yellow, to mark levels on the side of the well. Like the low mark, one minute after cycle stop, and high mark, and maybe each inch in between.

Another thing I'd like you to try. Tomorrow, if you can.
Go test your new drill pump, run to output to the toilet. or into a big pail, then dump into toilet.
I would hope you can do this for an hour. Prevent the pump from triggering.
Then time the intervals between cycles for several cycles.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 3:09 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Sounds like y'all are hot on the trail of figuring out how to dry out SIX's foundation.

Cool!

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 3:11 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Also the brand of almond milk I am using has just decided to add that stupid *&^%$^&**^^&*&&^%% additive. So, that is now off my menu and there doesn't seem to be any milk substitute that can use because they all have that idiot additive in them.

Oh, that sucks. Sorry to hear that, hon.

Can you drink full fat milk? Bc I thought it's not supplemented bc it already has natural vitA in it?

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 3:24 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Over here, we got the furniture legs stained. I thought this was going to be "spread on, wipe off". Boy, was I wrong!

I had to experiment a bit. Found out that

Maple is hard to stain bc with the grain going every which way some areas absorb a lot more and it gets blotchy
gel stain is supposed to make stain LESS blotchy bc it doesn't soak in as much
220 sandpaper makes the wood too smooth, we had to use 150 to open up the wood
even so, the amount that soaked in didn't achieve a dark enuf color, so we had to use it more like a glaze
the pretreatment that's supposed to reduce blotchiness made it worse
the gel version is high pigment and it dries in, like, a minute (very short "open time" in technical terms)
But if you try and work it when its tacky you risk wiping off as much as what you lay down, so if you want to lay a heavy layer on you've got to get it even, FAST

Dear daughter is better at this than I am!

Not as simple as originally thought, but it's done.

Now I need to practice on some Baltic birch plywood and see if it's as big a pain as maple bc that would be my next project

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 4:48 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Also the brand of almond milk I am using has just decided to add that stupid *&^%$^&**^^&*&&^%% additive. So, that is now off my menu and there doesn't seem to be any milk substitute that can use because they all have that idiot additive in them.

What is the additive?

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 8:47 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
For your camera action, you might use a paint pen, probably yellow, to mark levels on the side of the well. Like the low mark, one minute after cycle stop, and high mark, and maybe each inch in between.

Good idea.

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Another thing I'd like you to try. Tomorrow, if you can.
Go test your new drill pump, run to output to the toilet. or into a big pail, then dump into toilet.
I would hope you can do this for an hour. Prevent the pump from triggering.
Then time the intervals between cycles for several cycles.

I can't today. The pump came, but I still don't have the hose. My grandma and aunt are coming by to visit. They got their first cell phone between them and my aunt claims she has unlimited data with the talk and text for $50 (senior discount). If her phone isn't complete garbage, I should be able to make it a hotspot so I can connect my firestick and computer to it, so I want to show her how to set that all up. She's still young enough to benefit from knowing how to use a computer when my grams moves on and she's out on her own. I've been trying to sell her on that idea for a decade now.

Are you saying you want me to be able to run the drill pump continuously for an hour? I doubt that's going to happen. Last night before I went to sleep it was taking nearly 1/2 hour to add 5.66 gallons. I don't have the documentation in front of me now, but this thing is rated to pull out water way faster than it's coming in.

ETA: Oh.... I think I see where you're going with this. You don't mean continuously. You just want me to use only the drill pump to get the water out and into the toilet for a full hour to see if the stream from the inlet slows down when the pump isn't putting it out to the street.

Great way to see if any of that pumped water is just being dumped right back against the house.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 10:14 AM

Just managed to get my first time this morning.

34 minutes between cycles at 9:11AM, down from 28 minutes at around 12:30AM.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 10:20 AM

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Over here, we got the furniture legs stained. I thought this was going to be "spread on, wipe off". Boy, was I wrong!

I had to experiment a bit. Found out that

Maple is hard to stain bc with the grain going every which way some areas absorb a lot more and it gets blotchy
gel stain is supposed to make stain LESS blotchy bc it doesn't soak in as much
220 sandpaper makes the wood too smooth, we had to use 150 to open up the wood
even so, the amount that soaked in didn't achieve a dark enuf color, so we had to use it more like a glaze
the pretreatment that's supposed to reduce blotchiness made it worse
the gel version is high pigment and it dries in, like, a minute (very short "open time" in technical terms)
But if you try and work it when its tacky you risk wiping off as much as what you lay down, so if you want to lay a heavy layer on you've got to get it even, FAST

Dear daughter is better at this than I am!

Not as simple as originally thought, but it's done.

Now I need to practice on some Baltic birch plywood and see if it's as big a pain as maple bc that would be my next project

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It'd be nice if everything stained as well as pine.

Not surprising that your daughter has a knack for it. It really is an art and some people are just more prone to being better at things like that than others are.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 12:50 PM

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If you had to change your technique Signy, what would you do differently?

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 3:30 PM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Also the brand of almond milk I am using has just decided to add that stupid *&^%$^&**^^&*&&^%% additive. So, that is now off my menu and there doesn't seem to be any milk substitute that can use because they all have that idiot additive in them.
Oh, that sucks. Sorry to hear that, hon.

Can you drink full fat milk? Bc I thought it's not supplemented bc it already has natural vitA in it?

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It does suck as I haven't been using it that long.

I did try 3.25% milk for a bit but I can't tolerate it for long. Too much fat and I feel terrible. No gall bladder to deal with all the fat.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 3:32 PM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Also the brand of almond milk I am using has just decided to add that stupid *&^%$^&**^^&*&&^%% additive. So, that is now off my menu and there doesn't seem to be any milk substitute that can use because they all have that idiot additive in them.
What is the additive?

Vitamin A Palmitate.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 3:34 PM

Bright sunny day here again. But I am doing nothing today. Might put on some music. Haven't made up my mind though.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 4:49 PM

It's Sunday. Relax, Brenda.

I was planning on working after my guests left, but we ate big... which I rarely do during the day. Feels like hibernation time early today.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 4:52 PM

Just verified sump cycles are up to 44 minutes now. Looks like we've been gaining just about one minute per cycle for the last few hours.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 10:54 PM

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It's Sunday. Relax, Brenda.

I was planning on working after my guests left, but we ate big... which I rarely do during the day. Feels like hibernation time early today.

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That's what I did. Absolutely nothing. No book work, no music just messed with my computer for the day and ate.

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Sunday, May 30, 2021 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
For your camera action, you might use a paint pen, probably yellow, to mark levels on the side of the well. Like the low mark, one minute after cycle stop, and high mark, and maybe each inch in between.
Good idea.

Quote:
Another thing I'd like you to try. Tomorrow, if you can.
Go test your new drill pump, run to output to the toilet. or into a big pail, then dump into toilet.
I would hope you can do this for an hour. Prevent the pump from triggering.
Then time the intervals between cycles for several cycles.
I can't today. The pump came, but I still don't have the hose. My grandma and aunt are coming by to visit. They got their first cell phone between them and my aunt claims she has unlimited data with the talk and text for $50 (senior discount). If her phone isn't complete garbage, I should be able to make it a hotspot so I can connect my firestick and computer to it, so I want to show her how to set that all up. She's still young enough to benefit from knowing how to use a computer when my grams moves on and she's out on her own. I've been trying to sell her on that idea for a decade now.

My grandpa was 90 when I got him a computer and printer, modem. He could start working on his book (editing), until I found out what he was doing and scanned it in, a few hundred pages.
That first day I hooked up his modem and showed him how to send an email. He sent me, so I confirmed it worked, then my cousin in CA, who we hadn't seen in years. Next day I asked him if he checked his email yet, he didn't know why we should. Checked and found he had a reply from my cousin, she had replied 3 hours after he sent it, and it had been waiting for him for almost a day - he thought it would take a few days for the email to travel. He spent A LOT of time on that PC. Eventually learned to stop eating walnuts next to the printer. Everybody in the family was amazed he was willing to use a computer - including me, but I had a sales pitch in mind, and I wanted him to keep his mind active and exercised, and that part worked until he decided to die.

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ETA: Oh.... I think I see where you're going with this. You don't mean continuously. You just want me to use only the drill pump to get the water out and into the toilet for a full hour to see if the stream from the inlet slows down when the pump isn't putting it out to the street.

Great way to see if any of that pumped water is just being dumped right back against the house.

Should do that when it is not raining, but still has at least 3 cycles per hour.

My cordless brushless impact driver has 18 torque settings plus 3 speeds, selected by switch. My cordless drill has 2 speed settings. I would use the slowest speed for your pump, until you get the hang of it.

The most pertinent news recently was that the delay from start of hard rain until pump start was about an hour, if I understand correctly. Whatever that time is, that is one to keep track of and compare in the future.
When you get a chance to do that garden hose set of tests, that will be more precise, and likely a different time depending upon which part of the basement wall you test.

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